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Day Six
Aug 27, 2007 14:36:10 GMT -5
Post by capybara on Aug 27, 2007 14:36:10 GMT -5
Mmmm. Diggit-- I'm sort of not buying it at all. Why would a real doctor risk breadcrumbing for the scum? You're 'bluffing them out' seems a weak explanation. You'd have either trapped yourself into self-protecting or into a 50% risk every night, where if you simply hadn't breadcrumbed at all you'd have been in better shape. A more active role? What does that mean? Even if you wanted the scum to think you were a self-protecting doc, why wouldn't they decide you were the therapist and kill you straightforth? And since Nesta and I have claimed you think that, while they know you're the doctor, they've gone for the safe kills despite a 2/3 chance that they could kill a power or confirmed role?
How one could drop a quick, completely calculated phrase on the first day setting up the future truthiness of a false doc claim-- either doc, really-- knowing that a doc would only claim late in the game or when in trouble, or that one could use it to fish if one were in trouble. A real doc would be nervous about doing such a thing -- quite the risk--but scum really has nothing to fear from that breadcrumb. Between the various scum they've played enough to plan this far ahead. I think the scum have continued to hunt doctor.
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Day Six
Aug 27, 2007 14:41:26 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Aug 27, 2007 14:41:26 GMT -5
<snip> 1. I thought the psycho's already knew me (because of my first post in this game)<snip> So, not only are you the doc, but you did such a good job of breadcrumbing that you basically told the scum who you were in your very first post, and they -still- haven't so much as attempted to kill you?
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Day Six
Aug 27, 2007 14:41:43 GMT -5
Post by Blaster Master on Aug 27, 2007 14:41:43 GMT -5
I agree that the doctor claims are far more pressing, because at this point (as laid out somewhere in my massive post) is more useful as a claimable role at this point than a protector, because he'll need to protect twice to net us an extra lynch which is, in my estimation, extremely unlikely, especially at this point. And, since I thought I did it in my last post, but apparently I didn't, I'm going to unvote pygmyrugger until we sort this mess out. At this point, I suspect my vote will fall on one of you. I think it should be a vote for pygmy, of course. The problem is, if the scum have decided a one-for-one trade is acceptable... However, since storyteller has touched on that subject already (during past Days) it could very well be that the psycho's aim is to eliminate me. They might be feeling that, even though their aim is to keep just one of their number alive, that strategy could fail as long as the Doctor is alive when just one psycho is alive. Because, in that case, a stalemate would ensue. Well, obviously, you think I should vote for pygmy, as I'm sure he thinks I should vote for you. My problem is, this whole claim is a shift in my paradigm. I don't think I'm going to have time to figure this out in the next fifteen minutes... Good point. I wonder how Idle would handle a potential stalemate.
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Day Six
Aug 27, 2007 14:42:52 GMT -5
Post by capybara on Aug 27, 2007 14:42:52 GMT -5
If this is the case, maybe it's in our best interest to ignore them for now and the non-claimers because we'll have a 2/3 chance of nailing scum, and the doctor can still go on and protect the geniuses at a 50% rate. This is an interesting suggestion (you mean to focus on the non-claimers, right?). We can assume that one of these two is the doc-- if we just ignore the whole situation for now, and say there are three scum (as seems indicated by the fact that they risk this gambit right now--a mislynch and successful nightkill would make the game, right?)
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Day Six
Aug 27, 2007 14:45:13 GMT -5
Post by capybara on Aug 27, 2007 14:45:13 GMT -5
incomplete thought there-- continue sentence:"we'd have a 2/3 chance of lynching scum."
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Day Six
Aug 27, 2007 14:45:39 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 27, 2007 14:45:39 GMT -5
Oh, and here's a thought that just occurred to me. Maybe we should discuss the scum's motivation for a doc claim. Obviously, if we're in a lynch or lose situation, and there's three scum left, then they can risk one of their own for a chance to expand the lynchables. That is, if it's lynch or lose, and this gambit succeeds, they win. But if it fails, we're still in a lynch or lose situation tomorrow, and they still get two Days to figure out how to get the non-doctor lynched. If this is the case, maybe it's in our best interest to ignore them for now and the non-claimers because we'll have a 2/3 chance of nailing scum, and the doctor can still go on and protect the geniuses at a 50% rate. If this isn't the case, and there's only two scum left, would they risk one of their own on this gambit knowing they still need two mislynches? If it fails, they basically lose because they'd be two mislynches away WITH the doctor alive and confirmed meaning the one remaining scum would have to orchestrate the lynch of both of the other unconfirmed by himself. IOW, anyone have any thoughts on how this reflects on the number of psychos? Is it in our best interest to sort this out Today? OK, I've been thinking about this a lot, actually, and my thinking mirrors yours. I actually wanted to wait until Roosh came in, to see his reaction to the claiming, but I think we need to get as much out on the table as we can. As things stand now, I see no advantage to lynching either pygmy or diggit toDay. Let us hypothesize that we are, indeed, in a lynch-or-lose situation. That means that there are three scum left; either pygmy or diggit is one of them. We have a one in two chance of guessing right, and a one in two chance of guessing wrong and losing the game. But the thing is, if there are three scum left altogether, and one of them in the diggit/ pygmy pair, then take a look at the following list: Blaster Master Roosh storyteller0910If there are two scum, if this is lynch-or-lose, then two of those three is scum. Which means, more exactly, that if this is lynch-or-lose, I now know for certain that Blaster Master and Roosh are the remaining scum. The rest of the town can't know that, of course, but even shooting randomly the town as a whole has a 66% chance of picking scum out of that group, as opposed to a 50% chance of picking scum out of the Doctor pairing. In such a case, we should definitely be lynching one of the three unclaimed players. Now, if there are only two scum remaining, then only one of them is in the list containing me, Blaster, and Roosh. This increases our chances of a mislynch, but of course it matters somewhat less, because a mislynch won't end the game. I propose that we settle on a target outside of the Doctor pairing and see where we stand when the dust settles. Thoughts?
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Day Six
Aug 27, 2007 14:46:56 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Aug 27, 2007 14:46:56 GMT -5
<snip> Anyway, pygmy, can you explain your off vote on Day One. That is, I know you already quoted your reasoning for voting for Hal for me, but didn't you think, being the doctor that sort of vote would draw attention to yourself?<snip> From who? The town? If I felt a lynch on me was imminant, I had the claim in my back pocket. The crazies? Good. I was self protecting the first 3 nights, I would have been glad for them to have gone after me.
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Day Six
Aug 27, 2007 14:49:41 GMT -5
Post by capybara on Aug 27, 2007 14:49:41 GMT -5
unvoteDiggit
I think a non-claimant plan might be good.
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Day Six
Aug 27, 2007 14:54:27 GMT -5
Post by Blaster Master on Aug 27, 2007 14:54:27 GMT -5
If this is the case, maybe it's in our best interest to ignore them for now and the non-claimers because we'll have a 2/3 chance of nailing scum, and the doctor can still go on and protect the geniuses at a 50% rate. This is an interesting suggestion (you mean to focus on the non-claimers, right?). We can assume that one of these two is the doc-- if we just ignore the whole situation for now, and say there are three scum (as seems indicated by the fact that they risk this gambit right now--a mislynch and successful nightkill would make the game, right?) Well, IF there are three scum remaining, then we have a 2/3 chance of hitting scum by focusing on Storyteller, Roosh, and myself because we can pretty assuredly say that between Diggit and pygmy, one is scum and one is the doc. Perhaps they thought that the other option (me) was a harder lynch to sell and a lynch on doctor was easier, so they might as well try this, and it only costs them one of their remaining three. Now, if there's only two left, I'm not sure it's a good idea, because with a 1/3 chance, a mislynch is much more likely, AND we'd still have to then sort out two 50/50 shots. I'm more curious, really, if anyone thinks this gives us more of a lead into how many psychos remain, because in my mind, it seems to lend credence to the idea of there being three left.
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Day Six
Aug 27, 2007 14:58:07 GMT -5
Post by diggitcamara on Aug 27, 2007 14:58:07 GMT -5
<snip> 1. I thought the psycho's already knew me (because of my first post in this game)<snip> So, not only are you the doc, but you did such a good job of breadcrumbing that you basically told the scum who you were in your very first post, and they -still- haven't so much as attempted to kill you? Of course they wouldn't attempt to kill me. I've advocated self-protection for the Doctor in other games and gambled on the WIFOM that the psychos would think I hadn't given away my status in my first post. And thus would constantly be self-protecting. An attack on me would, of course, be a wasted attack... Once the geniuses appeared, there was a chance I would refrain from self-protecting and protect one of the two geniuses. And that, of course, would give them a 1/3 chance of being blocked if they went after one of those three. Which is why they went after safer (read:not protected) targets . storyteller's idea sounds about right. I'll read up on the other potential targets.
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Day Six
Aug 27, 2007 15:05:58 GMT -5
Post by Hal Briston on Aug 27, 2007 15:05:58 GMT -5
Hanting for sig link purposes again...
Boo.
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Day Six
Aug 27, 2007 15:12:21 GMT -5
Post by Blaster Master on Aug 27, 2007 15:12:21 GMT -5
Okay, well, I'm headed home... I'll check in tomorrow.
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Day Six
Aug 27, 2007 16:08:05 GMT -5
Post by capybara on Aug 27, 2007 16:08:05 GMT -5
storyteller's idea sounds about right. I'll read up on the other potential targets. Pygmy, who do *you* think we should lynch today? Diggit, or is it a good idea to go for one of the other three to be safe?
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Day Six
Aug 27, 2007 16:30:14 GMT -5
Post by capybara on Aug 27, 2007 16:30:14 GMT -5
I think a non-claimant plan might be good. I would like to revoke this assessment. I need time to think. I think something very complicated is happening here. Town (all of you)-- let us move slowly.
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Day Six
Aug 27, 2007 16:54:45 GMT -5
Post by diggitcamara on Aug 27, 2007 16:54:45 GMT -5
I think a non-claimant plan might be good. I would like to revoke this assessment. I need time to think. I think something very complicated is happening here. Town (all of you)-- let us move slowly. Well, I don't think that's entirely true. You seem to have concluded (at least since yesterDay, if I'm right) that I'm a psychopath. Therefore you're letting yourself get influenced by anything I say (that is, if I say x is a good idea you'll opt for 1/x or -x). It's something that zuma2 is trying to actively use against the town. Don't let that happen. If you're sure I'm a psycho (and no, I'm not), act as if I wasn't here, in regards to your decisions. And, should I get lynched toDay, do the same thing tomorrow with pygmyrugger.
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Day Six
Aug 27, 2007 16:55:39 GMT -5
Post by diggitcamara on Aug 27, 2007 16:55:39 GMT -5
I would like to revoke this assessment. I need time to think. I think something very complicated is happening here. Town (all of you)-- let us move slowly. Well, I don't think that's entirely true. You seem to have concluded (at least since yesterDay, if I'm right) that I'm a psychopath. Therefore you're letting yourself get influenced by anything I say (that is, if I say x is a good idea you'll opt for 1/x or -x). It's something that zuma2 is trying to actively use against the town. Don't let that happen. If you're sure I'm a psycho (and no, I'm not), act as if I wasn't here, in regards to your decisions. And, should I get lynched toDay, do the same thing tomorrow with pygmyrugger. Not edited to add: I'm referring, of course, to zuma2 over in M5...
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Day Six
Aug 27, 2007 17:06:31 GMT -5
Post by diggitcamara on Aug 27, 2007 17:06:31 GMT -5
BlasterMaster's role in all of this is looking, more and more, like the name of the remaining scum. I am, of course, using one of capybara's color-coded charts: 1. His vote during Day 1 is placed just before Mal managed to attract too many votes. Now, if I assume there are actually 4 scum, they'd been pretty well distributed that far ( pygmy as a "reserve vote", Mal voting for the only threatened non-scum). And it came at a very good time for a scum who wanted to add his vote to a prospective psycho-lynch 2. The rest of his votes were, like storyteller has pointed out, "safe" votes 3. If I'm right about the psycho's knowledge of my role, it would even explain why storyteller never was targeted. He is the moderator of M5, after all, and knows why I targeted storyteller on Day 2. He might easily have thought I would protect storyteller during this game 4. If I'm right and there are only 2 remaining psychos, BlasterMaster would be well hidden, if it weren't for storyteller. If I'm lynched toDay, storyteller could be lynched toNight without fear of protection, leaving BlasterMaster with an increased chance of ending the game favorably
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Day Six
Aug 27, 2007 17:07:03 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Aug 27, 2007 17:07:03 GMT -5
storyteller's idea sounds about right. I'll read up on the other potential targets. Pygmy, who do *you* think we should lynch today? Diggit, or is it a good idea to go for one of the other three to be safe? Well, since I know for a fact diggit is scum, I think we should lynch him. I realize the rest of you don't have the same information I do, though, but my carpool is here, so I'll finish this post when I get home.
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Day Six
Aug 27, 2007 17:22:37 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Aug 27, 2007 17:22:37 GMT -5
Hanting for sig link purposes again... Boo. You realize nobody put it in their sig just because we all love seeing you appear in these topics? ;D Oh, and the votes are currently pygmyrugger (1) - diggitcamara diggitcamara (1) - pygmyrugger With less than 48 hours to go in Day.
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Day Six
Aug 27, 2007 17:40:45 GMT -5
Post by nesta on Aug 27, 2007 17:40:45 GMT -5
Don't let that happen. If you're sure I'm a psycho (and no, I'm not), act as if I wasn't here, in regards to your decisions. And, should I get lynched toDay, do the same thing tomorrow with pygmyrugger. Can you clarify this point a little? You're saying that if you get lynched today, and come up as the doctor like you say you will, we shouldn't conclude that pygmy is scum? That doesn't make sense. Also, you seem to be taking it for granted that if we lynch you there will be a Tomorrow. Hm.
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Day Six
Aug 27, 2007 17:47:44 GMT -5
Post by diggitcamara on Aug 27, 2007 17:47:44 GMT -5
Don't let that happen. If you're sure I'm a psycho (and no, I'm not), act as if I wasn't here, in regards to your decisions. And, should I get lynched toDay, do the same thing tomorrow with pygmyrugger. Can you clarify this point a little? You're saying that if you get lynched today, and come up as the doctor like you say you will, we shouldn't conclude that pygmy is scum? That doesn't make sense. Also, you seem to be taking it for granted that if we lynch you there will be a Tomorrow. Hm. Nope. I'm saying that toMorrow you shouldn't let yourself be influenced by anything pygmyrugger says, regardless of what he says or how he says it. It's far too easy to let a psycho derail your plans if you transparently act according to his behavior. Like I said before (several times), I think there were 4 scum to start with (one more than there were geniuses), so yes, I'm supposing there will be a tomorrow even if I get lynched.
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Day Six
Aug 27, 2007 18:05:06 GMT -5
Post by nesta on Aug 27, 2007 18:05:06 GMT -5
I'm saying that toMorrow you shouldn't let yourself be influenced by anything pygmyrugger says, regardless of what he says or how he says it. It's far too easy to let a psycho derail your plans if you transparently act according to his behavior. Ah, ok, that makes sense. It just wasn't clear exactly what you wanted us to do to pygmy, but I understand what you meant now. Like I said before (several times), I think there were 4 scum to start with (one more than there were geniuses), so yes, I'm supposing there will be a tomorrow even if I get lynched. Fair enough.
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Day Six
Aug 27, 2007 19:42:43 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Aug 27, 2007 19:42:43 GMT -5
Here are my thoughts. I did want a doc claim for the last few days, actually because it would make things MUCH easier for me. But all this time up to the last day or so, I had been thinking BlasterMaster was the Doctor. Obviously at this point, that is NOT true. It turns out that one of the Pygmy/Diggit pair is scum and one is doctor. This was something that I was thinking about last night as a "potential scenario" that could happen. But now, WHY would the scum do that? There are 5 of us left unconfirmed. I know I'm confirmed to myself, and to the scum. The Scum also will know there is a doctor out there. Now they just know I'm not the doctor. So they know there are at least two Pro-townies out there. So that's My Role+ Doctor+ 3 unconfirmed roles. In those unconfirmed roles, there are either 2 scum or as ST points out the possibility of 3 scum. However, one of those scums has now claimed. So now there is Me*, 2 Doctors, 2 Unconfirmed roles. *unconfirmed to the town, but known to me and scum. -To me, now I must ask: Why would a scum do the 50-50 trade? Obviously if there are 3 scum left, this is a GREAT idea. It's a 50-50 way to reduce townie vs. a 3 in 5 chance of just random lynching (though if they controlled 3 of the votes, it'd be tricky for the town as scum can hide), but still the 3 in 5 chance would be a 60% chance of the town lynching scum (3/5), but by trading one of their own, the chances of a 50% trade off is better for them, AND it leaves 2 scum buddies untalked about, so they can try to hide still among the town. (At this point tonight then I believe the scum will start to try to pick off our claimed townies. Which is what I THOUGHT they would have done last night). And if we lynch the doctor, then that'd leave tomm w/ 3 scum, and 3 town roles (Me, 1 Unknown, and 2 Masons -minus one of us from the NK). Therefore, if there IS 3 Scum, it's a WINNING scenario for them if we lose our Doctor in the lynch. If we kill the Scum, that'd leave us with 2 scum, and then 4 town roles (Me, 1 Unknown, +Doctor and 2 Masons minus-one of us from the NK) If they killed a mason, then it'd be 2 confirmed townies, 2 unconfirmed townies, and 2 scum all playing games with each other. STILL a WIN-WiN for the scum to get away. That's VERY BAD if there is 3 scum.... Unfortunately, this is what I have a feeling there is. Because this would be awesome for the scum. Scenario wise. -They would WANT to force the lynch between the doctor and the scumdoc and try to hide among the lynchers, possibly by being townie even and just voting out one of their own. Here's the thing. If there were 2 scum: 2/5 chance then of lynching. That's 40% of a random kill. Worse than a Doctor claim. However, if they succeed in the doc dying, then the next day, we'd lose 1, but we'd kill the scumdoc, so then they get ANOTHER night kill, and we go to 2days ahead. In this case (if they picked off the confirmed townies, and we lynched the doc) It'd be a game of 1 scum vs. 2 townies. A 1/3 chance of winning. Scary Bad choices for Us. Methinks, cuz they'd obv. vote out the scumdoc, and save their slicker player to be in the final 3. The Wine would overflow. The thing is... That's bad. But is it as bad as 3 scummies? I dunno. But I think if we're dealing with SmartScum, they'd be 3 scums trying to pull the odds DOWN from the random 60% to the 50-50. That's why I AGREE with ( i think it was BM's idea) of the splitting. Because if we save the doc/Scumdoc vote block for tom, it'd be a 50-50 shot vs. scum the next day. Only thing is, we'll prolly lose an unconfirmed townie (they wont be so stupid then to target the doc, and so the doc knows then NOT to protect himself) But here's the key part. At least then WE DON"T Lynch our REAL DOC BY MISTAKE. IF THERE ARE 3 SCUM, WE DO NOT WANT TO ATTEMPT TO LYNCH THE DOCTOR. AS IF WE SCREW UP, THATS GAME OVER!!!That's my biggest reasoning in pushing the lynch date between the unconfirmed. AND as an added bonus for ME. I then only have 2 choices. As Story pointed out there are 3 candidates left. If there are 3 scum, and one is the scum doc. Then I am 100% sure that BOTH BM and ST are Scum, and if we lynch either one of them, we'll def. know we're playing against 2 scum. Because I Know My Role 100%. I played my role 100%. Balls To The Wall Townie. It may suck for me in future games, but not this one. I'm totally down with a lynching then of BM or ST. ONLY CAVEAT: If there are only 2 scum, then obv. one of them is innocent. And that'd be bad to lynch him. But I'm not really sure as to how we can determine this part.... Cuz... if they're both scum, they could just accuse each other all they wanted, and then hope that one of them makes it to that final 3 scenario. If there's only 2 scum, then at least we'll know that one of them is lying hopefully, and the facts will clear the right one. Or else... Whoopsie? :shrug: But yeah, those are my 3 cents. I'll prolly be unable to post for a while, as college has started up, but i'll be in on nights and mornings hopefully EST (So from like 1am till 12pm) Anyways, We can do it guys! -This thinking
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Day Six
Aug 27, 2007 19:44:06 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Aug 27, 2007 19:44:06 GMT -5
Erm. Ignore the "this thinking" I changed to to one of my "the thing is" up there to sound better. Your thoughts anyways, Capy, Nesta, and 2 Doctors? ST and BM... :shrug: I dunno what to say about you guys. =(
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Day Six
Aug 27, 2007 20:05:26 GMT -5
Post by capybara on Aug 27, 2007 20:05:26 GMT -5
Roosh, it all makes sense IF things are as they appear. I think they might be even more complicated.
I have a cackyhanded, keywumpus, lunatic fringe, grassy-knoll, baby Hawaiian woodrose seedpod-smoking, schwa-alien abduction, "Jimmy Hoffa and Elvis' lovechild is the heir to House of Windsor/Antichrist/living holy Grail" idea I'm toying with and still thinking about so I'm standing still for a while.
I almost feel like Nesta and I are in the worst situation, because the town folk know who we are but we don't know who they are so we have even LESS information than the regular town. But we have no idea who to listen to.
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Day Six
Aug 27, 2007 21:27:17 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 27, 2007 21:27:17 GMT -5
I would prefer to wait to hear capy's theory before pressing forward too aggressively. I am definitely far too sleepy to address either Blaster Master's or Roosh's very long posts. And I'm frankly at a loss. So I'm'a bid you all good night, and more from me on Tuesday morning.
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Day Six
Aug 28, 2007 6:38:20 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Aug 28, 2007 6:38:20 GMT -5
Whoa... whoa whoa... Just realizing some things. For what It's worth... I'm actually kinda inclined to believe Pygmy over Diggit.
If only for the Day 4 votes, where Diggit could have hammered Malacandra rather than tie, but he didnt. and the fact that pygmy cast a very "safe" vote on day 1. Which is what doctors should tend to do on day 1..... :but I'm still against lynching them:
But then We'd have to look at BM vs. ST....
And that's alot harder for me to find a townie in that group (Both of them liked the idea of a NonDoc lynch, but only after Diggit started to get the votes, BM was the first to suggest it though, but it was an idea I was already thinking) But hang on a second. Lemme look at the DocsPosting....
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Day Six
Aug 28, 2007 6:50:24 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Aug 28, 2007 6:50:24 GMT -5
BlasterMaster's role in all of this is looking, more and more, like the name of the remaining scum. I am, of course, using one of capybara's color-coded charts: 1. His vote during Day 1 is placed just before Mal managed to attract too many votes. Now, if I assume there are actually 4 scum, they'd been pretty well distributed that far ( pygmy as a "reserve vote", Mal voting for the only threatened non-scum). And it came at a very good time for a scum who wanted to add his vote to a prospective psycho-lynch 2. The rest of his votes were, like storyteller has pointed out, "safe" votes 3. If I'm right about the psycho's knowledge of my role, it would even explain why storyteller never was targeted. He is the moderator of M5, after all, and knows why I targeted storyteller on Day 2. He might easily have thought I would protect storyteller during this game 4. If I'm right and there are only 2 remaining psychos, BlasterMaster would be well hidden, if it weren't for storyteller. If I'm lynched toDay, storyteller could be lynched toNight without fear of protection, leaving BlasterMaster with an increased chance of ending the game favorably 1. Your vote on Day 1 is quite a suspicious vote, only because It's there with Malacandra's to keep him from being a major target. His vote and yours both put 2 onto Greedy. Pygmy DID take the safer route for his votes, but I tend to think doctors will try to avoid the action over day 1, voting later than most. Yours however is the 3rd vote for Greedy, and the only bandwagon vote that's not on a scumwagon. ( BM you do get a FoS for your voting on Day 1 slightly, because you're the 4th vote for the Drainbead and since no other scum has seemed to vote for Drain. Therefore, it's highly likely that either you or/and ST are scum. But then it comes down to is it the 1st vote, or the 4th vote. I don't know at this time, but i know I've FoS'ed ST over his vote, but not you. So consider yourself added to the list for it). This is the part that gets me though: "4. If I'm right and there are only 2 remaining psychos, BlasterMaster would be well hidden, if it weren't for storyteller. If I'm lynched toDay, storyteller could be lynched toNight without fear of protection, leaving BlasterMaster with an increased chance of ending the game favorably" What?? If you're lynched TODAY, STORYTELLER could be LYNCHED TONIGHT??? w/o FEAR of protection? Leaving BlasterMaster with an increased chance of ending the game FAVORABLY. What the hell is all that?? LYNCHED AT NIGHT? We DON'T LYNCH AT NIGHT.... And why would they lynch ST? Are you saying they're not scummy or they ARE scummy? What about me, Capy, Nesta, and Diggit? I think actually you've slipped up at this point with your "night lynching business" because the town does NOT do night lynches. We wait for night KILLS. However, Scum DO get nightly picks, and I don't know what they'd call them, but perhaps they do think of them as lynches. Either way, it's odd language for a TOWNIE to use. And As much As I don't want to vote for a doctor, I DO at this point think you are the SCUMMIEST person here. You will be getting my vote sometime today, unless Capy has an idea. I know it's OOH Shiny! But at this point... :shrug: I believe it to be true, because I think I've since this slip up in past games by scum on these boards..
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Day Six
Aug 28, 2007 7:01:46 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Aug 28, 2007 7:01:46 GMT -5
Oh what the hell, I'm gone most of the day again till about 12amish again. And I'd hate for anything to think i'm just smudging w/o backing it up.
Vote Diggit
But please don't pile up on him (ie: take a little bit more time.... this is risky. As if we fuck up, we've lost the game honestly).
So i guess.... Diggit, you should start talking?
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Day Six
Aug 28, 2007 8:43:15 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 28, 2007 8:43:15 GMT -5
If I'm lynched toDay, storyteller could be lynched toNight without fear of protection, nesta? You around? Do you have any thoughts on this particular phrasing as it relates to the relative scumminess of diggit versus pygmy? More seriously, the diggit versus pygmy thing is difficult. My instincts suggest that diggit is telling the truth, but the fact that his story seems so unlikely whereas pygmy's outline of his actions fits exactly what I'd have expected from the Doctor, pre-claim, argues against my instincts. On the three hundred and twelfth hand, the timing of everything makes me wonder. pygmy's claim is first. Taken without regard to the person making it, his claim is utterly reasonable. According to his claim, he has done exactly what we'd expect the Doctor to do, top to bottom. It's such a clean, pat story. Not that this is of itself suspicious. But then diggit claims. Hypothesize that diggit is scum. He sees that pygmy has claimed and is the Doctor, and wants to counterclaim and hopefully get pygmy lynched. So he... invents an odd and unusual Doctor story, that on its face is less credible than the one that's already been posted? Why do this? If one is scum and counterclaiming an existing claim - a very conventional claim - would it not help to blur the lines between the claims, making them harder to evaluate, to present your own claim in terms that are very similar to the ones of the existing claim? In other words, if diggit is scum, why claim to have done all these unusual things as the Doctor? Pre-claim, he's on the whole more trusted than pygmy - why not create a safe, believable lie? Had diggit come in here with exactly the same story as pygmy - "I self-protected the first few Days, and have protected nesta and/or capy since their claims" - we'd probably have swung heavily in his direction. The unlikely nature of his claim makes it less likely that we will believe it; thus, he has no motivation to make such a bizarre claim unless it is, in fact, the truth. Coupled with the fact that pygmy didn't claim yesterday - yes, I know, he says he was trying to save himself to make a block last Night, but he wouldn't have been able to do that if we'd lynched him, and once you hit a runoff you are automatically in danger of lynching, particularly if the scum decide to make a sneak vote swing somewhere along the line - I am on the whole more inclined to believe diggit than pygmy. But I still think our target today should be me, Roosh, or Blaster Master (actually, I think our target should be Roosh or Blaster Master). The odds are simply better that way.
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