Blaster Master
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Day Six
Aug 29, 2007 12:23:47 GMT -5
Post by Blaster Master on Aug 29, 2007 12:23:47 GMT -5
I hope there's only two scum left, because I'd hate to lose because Storyteller has duped everyone YET AGAIN. And because I hope you all look at the evidence and see it.
Screw it, Vote Storyteller .
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Day Six
Aug 29, 2007 12:37:49 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 29, 2007 12:37:49 GMT -5
You have done no such thing. You've pointed out places where there is potential for disagreement over interpretation of facts. You have not pointed out any "twisting of facts" at all, let alone a consistent record of same. Oh, to heck with it. vote Blaster Master This is just infuriating! I pointed it out SEVERAL times, such as stating that NAF was the first to FOS me, neglecting your very OWN FOS that prompted him, and after it STILL gained no traction, Who is twisting facts here? Well, I'll give you a hint. Find me the place where I "FoSed" you, and I'll beat myself to death with a hammer. In my lengthy post Day 4, I noted that you seemed to be leaving out key facts in your strategic arguments. I said I'd be looking more closely at you. Does that qualify as an "unofficial" FoS? Absolutely. But the spirit of my point about NAF was that he was the first person to put your name down in a color (ie, to vote or FoS you). I don't have to look for myself; I was there. What you're doing here is very clever. You keep bringing this up as an example of me "twisting facts," but: (1) It's obviously not. The fact that I voted with little confidence for drainbead has no bearing one way or another on what you did. The facts about your vote are what they are, regardless of my vote. Talking about my vote - "but you did the same thing" - would be a meaningless distraction even if it were true, which it's not. and (2) It's twisting facts in and of itself. Because of course one objection to your vote for drain was that you said you were open to changing your vote when you knew you wouldn't be around anymore between then and the deadline. That is, you gave the appearance of flexibility even when you knew you'd have relatively little (for RL reasons). My hypothesis was and is that you stuck that clause in there hoping you'd get a chance to change your vote to a better target in the short time you had before you had to go away IRL, but the only alternative target that surfaced during that period was Malacandra, so you decided to let bad enough be bad enough and walked away. In my case, I voted for drain - with very little confidence at the time of the vote. I was open to changing my vote at that time. Then, I kept reading. I read drain's responses. I responded to drain's responses. Over time I grew more confident in my vote, ultimately leaving it where it ended up. This is fundamentally different from claiming to be flexible on a vote when you know you're not going to be around for long enough to get good evidence and make a meaningful change. ----------- And, on preview, I see you've gone with the last resort of scum: trying to scare people by referencing what I did in an entirely different game. My confidence in this particular vote, in case you were wondering, is growing.
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Blaster Master
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Day Six
Aug 29, 2007 13:03:11 GMT -5
Post by Blaster Master on Aug 29, 2007 13:03:11 GMT -5
Who is twisting facts here? Well, I'll give you a hint. Find me the place where I "FoSed" you, and I'll beat myself to death with a hammer. In my lengthy post Day 4, I noted that you seemed to be leaving out key facts in your strategic arguments. I said I'd be looking more closely at you. Does that qualify as an "unofficial" FoS? Absolutely. But the spirit of my point about NAF was that he was the first person to put your name down in a color (ie, to vote or FoS you). And how often have I actually said "I FOS whoever"? I don't think I specifically said that all game. You're playing a semantic game. How about this you "cast suspicion" on me, no one picked up, so NAF "FOSed" me, and no one picked up, so you BOTH dropped it for the rest of the Day. Wrong. You know that the reasoning is that scum got their vote on early, but couldn't extricate themselves because it would have looked suspicious if they'd done so. You specifically voted with "little confidence" and on it looking "weird". You didn't provide any real evidence, because you are scum and didn't want anyone to follow your vote, you just wanted to muddy the voting record. Meanwhile, I provided some evidence and your twisting of my words. Here's what I said: "So I'm inclined to think there's also a scum on the dnooman train, but since that's a 1/3 shot, I'll just go ahead and tenatively Vote drainbead with the reservation that I might unvote and vote for one of those three if I can find better evidence there." I was specifically saying I was confident there was a scum on the dnooman wagon, but couldn't different which one, so I was voting for drainbead because I had an independent case for her. I simply didn't have access to the game. How many times, in how many games have I said my silence is not a deliberate action, because I think it is poor form? And yet you specifically ignore this fact. I wanted to empahasize my suspicion of the dnooman votes and yet you're deliberately twisting my words! So you CAN have your cake and eat it too? Somehow I'm the one who expresses flexibility (when I was expressing suspicion) and I'm scum for it, but you express flexibility and you're more pro-town for it? You've GOT to be kidding me! And no, I didn't know I wasn't going to be around. That's just plain disingenuous. If I'm present to it, then I try to make people aware of it. But, town or scum, I have never used my absence as a method to control opinion. If I'm in long enough to post something, I do. This is just weak. I said it because I know we're getting duped, you're blatantly twisting facts right in front of our eyes.
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Blaster Master
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Day Six
Aug 29, 2007 13:11:46 GMT -5
Post by Blaster Master on Aug 29, 2007 13:11:46 GMT -5
Anyway, I've got errands to run, and I doubt I'll be back before the Day ends. Good luck town.
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Day Six
Aug 29, 2007 13:19:42 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Aug 29, 2007 13:19:42 GMT -5
With a little over an hour and a half to go...
Blaster Master (3) - nesta, diggitcamara, storyteller0910 diggitcamara (2) - pygmyrugger, Roosh storyteller0910 (1) - Blaster Master
Six of seven votes have been cast. If there is a tie, Day is extended 24 more hours.
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Day Six
Aug 29, 2007 13:26:04 GMT -5
Post by capybara on Aug 29, 2007 13:26:04 GMT -5
Hmm. I'm tempted to vote to tie things up between our leading candidates so we can have more time to work on this--apparently the most suspicious doktor and the most suspicious of the three others. But then Blaster *could* do a last minute switch onto Diggit without us having more discussion (unless he's honestly gone for the duration. Thoughts?
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Day Six
Aug 29, 2007 13:36:06 GMT -5
Post by Death By Irony on Aug 29, 2007 13:36:06 GMT -5
The zombies are on standby to count any hanging, dimpled, or hanging chads as necessary.
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Day Six
Aug 29, 2007 13:41:21 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 29, 2007 13:41:21 GMT -5
I am getting angry now. I've never gotten actually angry playing this game before, and it's bemusing me. For better or for worse, I'm going to need to step away from the keyboard after this post, at least for a bit. And how often have I actually said "I FOS whoever"? I don't think I specifically said that all game. You're playing a semantic game. No, you keep moving the goalposts. Originally, your point was that I was "twisting facts" because I said NAF was the first to FoS you. This is not twisting facts. This is a provable point. Now you're moving the goalposts - now you're saying I'm playing semantic games, but there are no games: I said NAF was the first to FoS you, formally, and he was. Period. That was the extent of that point as it related to my initial argument. You know what? Fine. I dropped it for the rest of the Day. And then promptly picked it back up the next Day. So what? I found other matters more pressing at the time, so I dealt with them and then came back to you. I'm not denying this, so why do you keep repeating it as if I am? Nope, you're lying. You're just outright lying now. Here's what actually happened: Mad drew attention to drain first Then I found myself agreeing with him, and said: It's not exactly a smoking gun, but it's reasoning and I stand by it, especially given that it was five pages into the first Day. Then I voted, at #175 - this is the post in which I claimed to have "little confidence" in my vote, by the way. I provided admittedly little evidence - I didn't like her "weirdly specific" smudge of Mad and I didn't like that she hadn't responded to me on the subject yet, like she just wanted it to go away. Then, at #185, after drain asked me to explain further, I said: THEN, at #237 - long before you had provided any "evidence" or even weighed in on drainbead, indeed before anyone other than Roosh had voted for her at all, I laid out a more detailed case.* By the time you roll in, with your evidence (which consisted of two minor linguistic tells that even you acknowledge as "not much," and some stuff about the voting pattern that wasn't really evidence against drain as much as an elaborate theory that implicated drain by induction), I had already posted an initial smudge of her, voted for her, responded to her reply with an elaboration on my reasons for voting, and come in with a lengthier post containing supporting and additional evidence and reaffirming my own vote. Now, does that description of events match the one provided by Blaster Master? If not, please feel free to re-read Day One (pages 5-10 contain these events) and see which of us is telling the truth, and which one is now resorting to out-and-out lies. I did not say your silence was a deliberate action. I trust anyone who reads my point honestly will recognize that, and am not going over this again. Once again, I expressed flexibility when I made my initial vote. Then I continued posting, asking questions, interacting with drainbead, supplying additional evidence (please see above). And I never said that my actions should provide evidence that I am pro-town. I don't believe there's such a thing as definitive evidence that someone is pro-town, as you know. OK, fine. I assumed that you leave work around the same time each day, and would have known that you were heading out and wouldn't be back. Your on-off pattern has been consistent so far. If you are saying in good faith that you thought you'd have a chance to return to the game before the deadine, then I accept it and withdraw that portion of my point. Right, sure. So why reference the previous game? You can't demonstrate that I'm twisting facts - you keep trying but you can't - so you're trying to bring in the boogeyman to get people to think there must be something to what you're saying. ------------------------------ * - In post #237, one element of my argument was that I didn't like what I perceived to be an artificial distinction made by drainbead between FoSing someone and simply smudging them. Because Blaster Master is getting frantic now, he is going to present this as some sort of evidence of inconsistency, as I have made a distinction between those things in recent posts. To save him the time, here is my response: There's a difference. My initial point - that NAF was the first to formally FoS Blaster - was intended to suggest that Blaster had gone the whole game without drawing serious public attention. In that context, I believe an FoS - in a color, all formal-like - is distinct from a mere smudge, simply because the majority of players think of it as distinct. It's my opinion that players rarely come to be the center of attention until their name has appeared in a color. Thus, in that context, I believe the distinction to be relevant; in the context of drainbead's use of those terms, I believe the distinction to be a way of hiding from responsibility for your words.
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Day Six
Aug 29, 2007 13:43:48 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 29, 2007 13:43:48 GMT -5
Hmm. I'm tempted to vote to tie things up between our leading candidates so we can have more time to work on this--apparently the most suspicious doktor and the most suspicious of the three others. But then Blaster *could* do a last minute switch onto Diggit without us having more discussion (unless he's honestly gone for the duration. Thoughts? I can't keep arguing the same points over and over, so I officially have no opinion. Do as you think best.
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Day Six
Aug 29, 2007 13:47:29 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Aug 29, 2007 13:47:29 GMT -5
:face palms:
Okay. I know I'm not scum. If I am to believe that ST OR BM is not scum either. That automatically means there are only 2 possible scum in the game. That means that the whole 1 in 3 voting is stupid and horrible as its a 1 in 3 chance. If I am to believe there are 3 scum. Then we've already lost this game.
My Scum List: 1. Diggit. 2/3. BM 2/3. StoryTeller I don't know which of those final two are scum. They could both be scum if it's 3 people.
Yet, ST refuses to believe that the 1:3 idea is bad. If you even consider ANY other person as being townie (Me OR BM, ST) Then automatically you'll know that there are only 2 scum left in the game. Unless of course you are scum. It's... a BAD BAD Scenario. I think we as a town have lost at this point if this 1:3 reasoning continues, and here's why:
Consider this: What if... there was only 1 scum. One Ballsy Scum. Would this plan of voting one in 3 be good? No. It'd be stupid. So why are we trying to assume there's 3 scum. Or even 2? We should play this game with the adage "A bird in the hand in worth two in the bush".
I think Diggit is quite suspicious with his doctor voting, but apparently no one else is seeing this. This is because of 1 of two reasons: 1. The Masons are confused and Don't trust me. Fine. This is probably true. 2. There are 3 scum.
If there are three scum, that leaves 4 townies. Today there are 7 players alive. A majority is 4 votes. ERGO, all 4 townies must Vote together to try to kill scum. Right now, I see Nesta has chosen to play the 1:3 game. And while I don't know if BM is scum, I at least know he's not voting a chosen townie. But I'm still worried. Because the other two votes on BM are Diggit, and ST- Both of whom I consider to be scum. One WAY more than the other.
Here's a quick question: Why has EVERYONE AVOIDED even THINKING about the doctors? I mean, yes a mislynch is fatal. But so is a Mislynch among the 3 of us. If you had to pick, which of the 2 doctors seems scummier???
That's a 1 in 2 choice. But everyone is putting it off.
I don't understand WHY. I feel like we're being led by 3 scum to Just LOSE the game. Even if they lose 1 scum today, the other scum will easily have voted for their fellow scum today (because if Capy ALSO votes for BM, then I've got 2 masons, and 2 scum all voting for a potential scum target). Tonight all that's going to happen is we're going to either lose a mason, or I'll die. And then tommorrow It's going to be 5 people. 2 Scum, and 1-2 Masons, and 2 Doctors STILL. And AGAIN you're going to have to figure out which of the two doctors is the scummy one. Except tomorrow, you'll have one doctor voting for scum and one who hadn't voted for scum (Unless pygmy changes his vote to BM too). And at that point, you will ALL BE IN THE SAME PLACE AS TODAY: SCREWED.
I honestly don't want a tie at this point, but I don't see this having a good ending w/ the whole 1:3 thing.
I think BM and ST are both scum IF AND ONLY IF there are 3 scum. Otherwise, its a 50-50 between them. However, I also have a 50-50 between the docs, and one looks REALLY considerably much more scummier than the other. (It's the one who's saying he's still willing right now to vote for a townie if he gets enough votes on me)
I don't like where this town is headed. But I'd like You all to consider that much at least: What tomorrow will make the doctor decision SO much easier than today? Will it be because if 2 scum lynch one of their own, they suddenly look a hell of a lot more townier? Because obviously the Scum would NEVER want to vote for one of their own TODAY, so obviously tomorrow you'll know which one is scum by what BM turns out? I think not....
We as a town are just delaying a decision that's going to get harder and harder each passing day, and I honestly don't believe our doctor will be so lucky as to get the block tonight. He's got a 25% chance, but still. That's not enough to bet the GAME ON... as you guys are doing.
Of course, I could just be preaching to the enemies, as if there really IS 3 scum, then that just means its 2 masons, Me, and one of the Doctors. And From that, I can see we've already lost. =(
But my vote stays with who i believe is the scummiest. But Why is this town so wishfully blind to wanting to being led around like cows to the slaughter? There's been like only 2-3 people actually bringing up ideas and discussing things, everyone else, just wants to be silent and listen to ideas, no body else is investigating the doctors nothings. That's why I think we're doomed.
But go ahead, and at least make it quick. Maybe I'll just die tonight, and I'll see if really was right about my 3 scum players or if there really was only 2 scum. :shrug: But even then, I have a feeling I won't die tonight. That's the doomed Irony of it all. Tomorrow I'd be a GREAT candidate to lynch, because our 1 in 3 will become 1 in 2! And WHY, if you believe there's only 2 scum, why not random guess between ST and Roosh? OR you could go at the 50-50 of the doctors! It's the perfect scum setup to kill us off. :sigh:
We're all Swine being led to slaughter. Here's hoping you're Townie, BM. Because If your'e scum, you've led your team to victory with your death....
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Day Six
Aug 29, 2007 13:51:52 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Aug 29, 2007 13:51:52 GMT -5
ST, If there are 2 scum left. I'm inclined to think that you're the townier of the 2, only because of your anger in your posts. you're kinda in the same boat as me. Though you could be a Brilliant liar. In which case, I hate you so much for making me actually feel for you, in the way that you're posting. I fully sympathize. But the tihng, if, if you're town. Then you've gotta trust Me. I'm town too. And that leaves our 2 doctors, and BM as scum. there's only 2 scum then. :shrug: But I don't know what to do, and I don't know who to trust. So i'm just gonna leave the game and let the votes play out. Capy, You can tie the game if you want, but do you really expect anything different in teh voting? Do you think you and Nesta would switch to Diggit? If not, then don't bother tieing it up. Well. Actually, it would force BM to vote, and he'd just vote for Diggit. :shrug: That's your call then. I think this town is just in a mess though.
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Day Six
Aug 29, 2007 13:58:34 GMT -5
Post by capybara on Aug 29, 2007 13:58:34 GMT -5
Ok, Nesta and I are in a worse spot than the regular town (so quit looking at us to be leaders!). Doctor and remaining townie/s (if there happen to only be 2 scum left)-- you know your own identity. Perhaps the way to go about this is to decide which other player you DON'T think is scum to narrow it down? N and I don't have quite the advantage of small numbers (we know only as much as you do, minus one identity).
Roosh what is this 1/3 thing you're going on about? You've lost me. Slow down. Are you mainly addressing Story?
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Day Six
Aug 29, 2007 14:02:52 GMT -5
Post by capybara on Aug 29, 2007 14:02:52 GMT -5
vote Blaster
This could be town's last mistake, but it's by no means the first or only mistake.
And Roosh, the town's been in a mess for Days. It's been a hard game.
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Day Six
Aug 29, 2007 14:18:40 GMT -5
Post by capybara on Aug 29, 2007 14:18:40 GMT -5
Actually Roosh. . . if there are 3 scum left, and you're town. . . why are you so grumpy about everyone not voting for whichever doctor? You're the only one who should be happy to vote for BM or Story. Nesta, I, and whichever the real doctor is are in a worse place than you. If there are 3 scum left and one's the doc, you know who 2 scum are for sure, no? And if there are only 2 scum you have a 50% chance in either case.
Is my logic way off and I need a nap?
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Day Six
Aug 29, 2007 14:31:00 GMT -5
Post by nesta on Aug 29, 2007 14:31:00 GMT -5
Your logic is correct capy. Roosh, you aren't making any sense. Why has the town lost even if there are only two scum left?
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Day Six
Aug 29, 2007 14:36:36 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Aug 29, 2007 14:36:36 GMT -5
Blaster Master (4) - nesta, diggitcamara, storyteller0910, Capybara diggitcamara (2) - pygmyrugger, Roosh storyteller0910 (1) - Blaster Master
Everyone has voted. Twenty minutes left for any possible vote changes. FIVE are needed to automatically end Day.
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Day Six
Aug 29, 2007 14:51:11 GMT -5
Post by capybara on Aug 29, 2007 14:51:11 GMT -5
So, come up to the lab. And see what's on the slab.
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Day Six
Aug 29, 2007 14:52:09 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 29, 2007 14:52:09 GMT -5
So, come up to the lab. And see what's on the slab. ...PATION! Sorry, I always jump that cue. Dying here.
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Day Six
Aug 29, 2007 14:55:09 GMT -5
Post by capybara on Aug 29, 2007 14:55:09 GMT -5
Has your smilie always been that gleeful?
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Day Six
Aug 29, 2007 14:57:09 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 29, 2007 14:57:09 GMT -5
Has your smilie always been that gleeful? Yup.
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Day Six
Aug 29, 2007 14:57:13 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Aug 29, 2007 14:57:13 GMT -5
Everyone grabbed Blaster Master and forced cyanide down his throat. He started gurgling and then throwing up, but still they crammed it into his mouth along with all of the fresh vomitus. Presently he started choking on his own bile and turning blue. He fell back, retching and gagging, trying to free his airway of puke, but all to no avail.
He died clutching at his neck, a goner anyway with the poison inside him.
They then checked his pockets and found nothing. Remembering where he said he "lived", they all went to that house to see if he was really a neighbor. They found the house furnished well and photos of BM with his wife and kids in many photoframes. It was only then they all realized they made a horrible mistake.
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Blaster Master, a townie, has been.....
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"Hold it!" someone cried as they got a closer look at the photos in the frames. "These photos! They're all cut out and pasted together!"
It was true. Blaster wasn't in any of the photos with the woman and little girl. They were clippings from magazines. In fact, when they expanded out and checked the rest of the house, they saw that all of the furnishings were only a bare bones backdrop. That all of the cupboards and drawers and even fridge were all empty. Someone tried clicking on the lights, but they too, didn't work. There was no electricity in the house.
"This must be that one deserted house that was for sale!" Someone remembered. "Hot damn, and he had it all set up to look like an actual lived in house!"
It was true. Blaster was the Master of looking like a true townie.
Closing the door, they all decided to leave a keg of TNT and a few hundred firecrackers in the living room to destroy all of the abnormal one's things.
It went off with a deafening....
BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM!
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Blaster Master, a Psychopath, is all choked up after being found out.
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Day Six
Aug 29, 2007 14:58:22 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 29, 2007 14:58:22 GMT -5
<Chandler Bing>
I KNEW IT!!!
</Chandler Bing>
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Day Six
Aug 29, 2007 14:59:56 GMT -5
Post by Hal Briston on Aug 29, 2007 14:59:56 GMT -5
<Chandler Bing> I KNEW IT!!! </Chandler Bing> Heh...aren't you supposed to jump out from behind a door when you say that?
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Day Six
Aug 29, 2007 15:00:28 GMT -5
Post by capybara on Aug 29, 2007 15:00:28 GMT -5
Wow. I need to go buy another hat so that I can eat it.
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Day Six
Aug 29, 2007 15:03:53 GMT -5
Post by Death By Irony on Aug 29, 2007 15:03:53 GMT -5
Wow. I need to go buy another hat so that I can eat it. Here, you can have mine. It's kinda covered in shiney glitter and zombie bits, though...
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Day Six
Aug 29, 2007 18:44:44 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Aug 29, 2007 18:44:44 GMT -5
Yay!
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