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Post by Idle Thoughts on Aug 29, 2007 20:27:22 GMT -5
The people all woke up with fear in their hearts and started making their way to the Town Hall yet again.
On the way they found another body. Turning it over, they found the face covered by a sudoku puzzle.
"Why, the only ones who could ever figure these out were......oh, no!" Someone cried as they took off the paper.
Yes, it was a Genius.
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Capybara, a Genius, has been sudokilled.
It is now Day.
Down to five players.
1. Blaster Master Psychopath
2. Hal Briston Town 3. Storyteller0910
4. Malacandra is now NAF Psychopath
5. Hockey Monkey Therapist, Lover
6. MadtheSwine Town
7. Capybara Genius
8. Drain Bead Psychopath 9. DiggitCamera
10. Kat Town, Lover
11. dotchan Town
12. GreedySmurf Town 13. Roosh
14. dnooman Genius
15. cowgirl Cupid 16. nesta 17. Pygmy Rugger
18. JSexton Crazy Townie
19. Mhaye Chia Bingo Manager
It will take FOUR votes to automatically lynch someone....
...OR, whoever has the most at the end of Day, which will be at 11am PST on SATURDAY.
Good luck all.
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Post by RoOsh on Aug 29, 2007 21:21:49 GMT -5
This is what I was lamenting [Capy.
So. Which one of youse is the real doctor?
I have my opinions, but I'm gonna shut up today, and let the other townies actually talk for once. If you really want my thoughts, well just see the previous day.
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Post by nesta on Aug 29, 2007 22:29:00 GMT -5
Great. Sorry to see you go capy, I guess you can laugh at my confusion now that you know the Truth along with dnooman. The genius board is going to feel so lonely... Roosh, don't clam up too quickly. I would still like you to answer my questions from Yesterday. Why did you think the town had lost if we lynched Blaster even if there were 3 remaining scum? Also, why are you wanting to stay quiet when you must know that if there are still two scum out there that storyteller must be the other one? I'm not totally convinced yet that going after the scum doctor Today is a good move, so you might as well try to convince us that you're town so we don't lynch you Today.
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Post by capybara on Aug 29, 2007 22:38:36 GMT -5
Oh, my. I appear to be a little bit dead. Give 'em Hell! Go town!
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Post by Blaster Master on Aug 30, 2007 1:58:16 GMT -5
...ooOOOoo... yyAAAyy ...ooOOOoo...
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Post by dnooman on Aug 30, 2007 3:48:49 GMT -5
...ooOOOoo... yyAAAyy ...ooOOOoo... :smacks Blaster Master with a rolled up Omni magazine: We have rules around here you know! Hal is in charge of official hauntings, Hockey and Kat are responsible for the nacho patrol/pseudo erotic entertainment. Dotchan is responsible for official guilt trips, NAF covers the "lost cause" department, Drainbead has the rights to being killed off to soon. Mad is technically insane, but not certifiable, Cowgirl is the unfortunate town scapegoat, Greedy was killed for his like of exotic pastries, and Jsexton was killed because he knew too much. We would have killed him anyways. Dude knew too much. Mhaye was killed because he was the "Chia Bingo Manager". Dude, next time pick a better sounding role. Hehe. Capy is the conspiracy theorist, and I poop on the scum's lawn. Idle is above reproach though. He may or may not be involved in the choosing of players for the next game. Personally, I have made donations in his name to any and all charities that he may choose to support. ;D
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Post by RoOsh on Aug 30, 2007 5:58:33 GMT -5
Roosh, don't clam up too quickly. I would still like you to answer my questions from Yesterday. Why did you think the town had lost if we lynched Blaster even if there were 3 remaining scum? Also, why are you wanting to stay quiet when you must know that if there are still two scum out there that storyteller must be the other one? I'm not totally convinced yet that going after the scum doctor Today is a good move, so you might as well try to convince us that you're town so we don't lynch you Today. Don't worry, I just meant I wasn't going to accuse. I'll still answer questions. I was just really frustrated with the group yesterday. Why did you think the town had lost if we lynched Blaster even if there were 3 remaining scum? -Well, I was just frustrated yesterday because I felt the town was taking an unnecessarily risky move. To me it seemed like voting for the Doctors was the "better/safer" vote. And because I had not been paying attention to the BM/ST arguments in depth. So I had no idea which of them truly was scummier at first. And I was torn towards the end of the day: -I had originally felt that yes, there could just be 3 scum, in which case it didn't matter. But what I feared would happen is this town is going to drown in indecision. Because I felt paranoid, because if there are 3 scum, then I'm only really talking to You, Capy, and the doctor. There's no other townies out there. And it's a frustrating idea to see the town not listening to my ideas. Because If there are 2 more scum left, then now i think it looks really good for them. And really bad for me. Because If there's two scum left, I believe they both sold out BM to appear to look more townie. Hence my frustration at the start of the day, because... well I know I look guilty as hell, and I would have looked guilty as hell yesterDay too, but I wanted to stick to my guns on the Doctor voting. I didn't want it to be a tie, but I felt like Scum were playing us to make sure that today the suspects are the people I least suspect (Myself, and then Pygmy to an extent). That's why I wanted to clam up. Because I want to see what Story and Diggit are going to say. But here's the thing.... At the end of the day yesterDay, Story's anger in the game.... Made me pause. Because I was REALLY frustrated with the town at that point, and I could totally understand where ST was coming from with the anger. And so, I felt really torn. I want to believe that storyteller is town, but the thing is... this is a trust issue thing: If he is town, he's town because he reminded me of me there, and I felt bad for the guy- If he was an innocent townie being placed under the noose/suspected, I totally could see his frustration. So that gave him townie cred. But If he's lying, I'll be wicked pissed. Pissed that I actually "fell for it" then if he's lying- ie: that I trusted him, and if he faked the anger just to act townie. I'd like to think he isn't that dastardly, but I really want to believe that ST is town. However, If ST is town, that meant that there isn't 3 scum. There's 2. And in my mind, it just felt RISKY as HELL. Because I didn't know if I could trust ST/BM. The town gambled though, and it paid off. But that's why I said we should look at the doctors. Because there actually could be only 1 scum left. Potentially. If and only if ST is town. If he is town, I don't want to risk lynching him or me, because well that's foolish. But if we go doctor first: Then we'll know for sure if its 1 scum or two. Because we lynch the bad guy, and if we're still playing, we lynch the other bad guy the next day. -Hopefully that answers your 2nd Q too- I just don't know what to think of ST anymore (this is what the voting for BM thing creates: if there are 2 scum, they look VERY Credible. It's just ST's anger makes me feel he's also townie. So I think there could be a chance of just one scum even today. And so I don't wanna play another round of "Let's guess how many scum Idle put in the game" today, I'd rather focus on the evidence and such....
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Post by Santo Rugger on Aug 30, 2007 9:10:04 GMT -5
Vote diggit
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Post by Hal Briston on Aug 30, 2007 9:26:20 GMT -5
Hal is in charge of official hauntings,... Technically, according to the paperwork I filed with the Department of Otherworldly Activities, my necrovisa allows me to be in charge of official voting chart-related hauntings. Like this one. Any of the other times I pop in, I'm pretty much just flouting D.O.A. rules.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 30, 2007 9:28:09 GMT -5
Whew. After the events of yesterDay, especially the last few hours, I feel like I have a hangover. I can't believe the damn Night lasted less than twelve hours; I don't know if I'm ready to wade back in there at this point.
I'll start with: I think we need to sort out the Doctor mess toDay. If there are 2 scum remaining, one of them is Roosh, but even if he is and we lynch him, we will still have to manage the same 50/50 dilemma toMorrow. If there are 2 scum left, we're going to have to make a for-the-game choice between diggit and pygmy eventually - why not toDay?
On the other hand, if there is only 1 scum left, than as long as we lynch one of the Doctor claimants now, the game is over and we win. If we miss toDay, we hit toMorrow, and it's game over.
So on balance, it makes no difference whether we pursue one of the two true unknowns or one of the Doctors if there are 2 scum left, but it could be a benefit if there is only 1.
So: diggit vs. pygmy. I won't be voting for a few real life Days, but I have lots of questions. I'm going to start with one for pygmy:
pygmy: My biggest barrier to believing your claim is the fact that you didn't claim once you were in a runoff with dotchan Day Five. I can understand your failure to claim prior to the runoff, because the votes on you came fairly late in the Day and you might not have felt in any particular jeopardy between the last time you posted and the discovery that you were in a runoff.
But once the runoff began, you had to know you were in real danger. There were conceivably as many as 3 scum who could swing a vote your way, and you had to think they had motivation to do so (your vote was for dotchan, so you believed there was a good chance she was scum, and therefore that the scum would be interested in swinging the vote your way).
Your early posts during the runoff said they would concentrate on defending yourself, not attacking dot. Eventually you collected three votes - one, at least, from a confirmed townie (nesta). Why didn't you claim?
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Post by diggitcamara on Aug 30, 2007 10:09:46 GMT -5
Well, actually, storyteller if you were right yesterDay and there were 3 psychos left, then, indeed, we are left with a lynch right or lose situation.
And actually already were down to that point yesterDay. So, these were my musings (on protection) yesterDay (prior to protecting):
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Post by Santo Rugger on Aug 30, 2007 10:11:38 GMT -5
During the runoff, I was able to watch the votes much more closely than I had during the induced tie. Had it been any closer, I would have claimed. Even though there may have been enough scum to tip the votes at the last minute, we would have been able to bag them if they changed their vote to me after I had claimed DJ.
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Post by diggitcamara on Aug 30, 2007 10:56:15 GMT -5
Now that I think about it, yesterDay was actually a Day during which the psychos could have clinched victory (if there were 3 of them left).
If the Doctor had been lynched (hence the false claim), during the Night another Citizen would have been killed. And we'd have had 3 psychos versus 2 Citizens. Game over.
So... I conclude that storyteller cannot be a psycho. No way he'd have acted the way he acted if there were 3 psychos left. (If there only were two, like I said in my musings, it's trivial--pygmyrugger is the remaining psycho).
If there are 2 psychos left toDay, their names are clear:
pygmyrugger roosh
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Post by nesta on Aug 30, 2007 11:57:09 GMT -5
So... I conclude that storyteller cannot be a psycho. No way he'd have acted the way he acted if there were 3 psychos left. I disagree. Not that I'm saying storytelelr is scum, because I'm still trying to work my way through the possibilities and you all look scummy to me, but I think if storyteller was scum he would have done exactly the same thing he did: push Blaster under the bus to gain townie cred. If he had pushed too hard for a doctor lynch it would have looked very suspicious, especially since he went after Blaster the Day before. Remember, Blaster was the one who first proposed lynching one of the unknown three. That one still has me scratching my head. It makes sense, though, if the scum's plans were to create the doctor standoff and sacrifice Blaster to get storyteller through the end. If there were three scum I can see them setting this up as a way to give us two 50/50 decisions to fail at, especially if they felt they could make it very easy for us to fail either one.
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Post by diggitcamara on Aug 30, 2007 12:12:45 GMT -5
So... I conclude that storyteller cannot be a psycho. No way he'd have acted the way he acted if there were 3 psychos left. I disagree. Not that I'm saying storytelelr is scum, because I'm still trying to work my way through the possibilities and you all look scummy to me, but I think if storyteller was scum he would have done exactly the same thing he did: push Blaster under the bus to gain townie cred. If he had pushed too hard for a doctor lynch it would have looked very suspicious, especially since he went after Blaster the Day before. Remember, Blaster was the one who first proposed lynching one of the unknown three. That one still has me scratching my head. It makes sense, though, if the scum's plans were to create the doctor standoff and sacrifice Blaster to get storyteller through the end. If there were three scum I can see them setting this up as a way to give us two 50/50 decisions to fail at, especially if they felt they could make it very easy for us to fail either one. I'll have to look at yesterDay's events to confirm that. I could have sworn it was storyteller's idea to lynch one of the unknown three.
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Post by diggitcamara on Aug 30, 2007 12:45:47 GMT -5
OK, I'm back. You're right, nesta, it was Blaster Master's idea in the first place.
And it wouldn't make much sense for him to propose anything like that if there were three scum left.
So, let's assume toDay there's just one psycho around. His name is pygmyrugger.
On that assumption: If I get lynched toDay there would be four players left. During the Night that would make it 3 players left (no Night protection). So, toMorrow the last psycho goes down the drain.
... that sounds too easy...
Can anyone else figure out why Blaster Master would propose a lynch of one of the unknown three yesterDay, with three scum remaining?
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Aug 30, 2007 12:49:20 GMT -5
diggitcamara (1) - pygmyrugger
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Post by Blaster Master on Aug 30, 2007 16:53:41 GMT -5
Wow, sure got quiet in here. Is it because of all the drama over in MV?
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Post by diggitcamara on Aug 30, 2007 17:28:21 GMT -5
Wow, sure got quiet in here. Is it because of all the drama over in MV? My guess is the inscription process for kat's & NAF's game is absorbing most people's attention. I, for one, am waiting for some input by anyone...
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Post by Death By Irony on Aug 30, 2007 18:39:20 GMT -5
*drums spectral fingers*
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Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 30, 2007 20:18:48 GMT -5
See, my problem is, I used up pretty much the extent of my brain's processing capacity yesterDay. The Night ended so quickly and I just can't seem to come up with anything other than it's pygmy or diggit, and damned if I can guess which. I'll try to force a few thoughts tomorrow AM.
If nesta and/or Roosh would care to contribute, though, I'd happily shut my trap for a while and listen. I'm at a loss.
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Post by nesta on Aug 30, 2007 21:27:51 GMT -5
You think you have it bad storyteller? Here I'm faced with two 50/50 decisions and everyone seems scummy. At least you know the answer to one (or both) of them.
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Post by Gir! on Aug 30, 2007 21:43:45 GMT -5
Some of us dead people could come in and help you vote. ;D
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Post by capybara on Aug 30, 2007 22:19:47 GMT -5
There should be a new role, like "medium" or "necromancer", who can ask the dead a question every day via ouija board or something and get a sadly cryptic answer. Braiiiins. Zombie invasion.
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Post by RoOsh on Aug 31, 2007 0:15:03 GMT -5
Well, actually, storyteller Blaster if you were right yesterDay and there were 3 psychos left, then, indeed, we are left with a lynch right or lose situation. And actually already were down to that point yesterDay. So, these were my musings (on protection) yesterDay (prior to protecting): snipped by moi. This... is odd. 1. Do you really write out this much into justifying all your votes? If so, can we see your previous "thoughts' up until last night's? Your thoughts on the other night's protections? 2. I really dislike the way you chose your protection btw.... :shrug: If you're the real doctor, It's just evil. You chose the power of life and death of someone based on how much they might be willing to help YOU out? Why would Capy automatically target you? Just because she thought about voting for you? Or do you think she was too hot-headed and Anti-listening to a logical debate between two people over who is the real doctor? It's like you picked Nesta, cuz you feel he's less likely to kill you. Not because he's got good ideas or helping the town. But that's if you're even the doctor. So, okay. More power to you. But yeah, I'd like to hear your other "thoughts" previously than to that night's about your previous protections. 3. Why would it suck for you to pick between remaining scum? You seem to have your mind made up quick nicely. 4. Nesta, I agree with you about the fact that Blaster and the 1 in 3 thing. I really disliked the idea, and I was the one who opened my big mouth and said the 1:3 sounded like a safer bet. But I realized my mistake, and since then was against it. Why would a scum propose it then? 2 Thoughts/Reasons I can think of:1. He didn't honestly think he was going to be lynched. He thought it'd be more of between me and Story. So he felt safer. 2. He wanted to increase the townie cred of a scum out there. This is my gut feeling the more likely reason. But here's the thing... Why would he do that if there was only 2 scum? It'd be stupid (unless he thought he wouldn't get lynched). But if there was 3 scum, it'd be a brilliant play. Because whoever votes for him gets Massive townie points, while the people who don't obviously don't look so good. -This is what I was afraid of w/ Capy yesterDay. If there's 3 mafia, I think they've won the game at this point. No offense, Nesta. But if I was in your shoes, and even if I hit the right scum-doctor toDay, I'd end up voting for me on the last day based on the voting yesterDay. And that'd lose us the game. It'd also mean if there's 2 scum, that Story's been doing a hell of a job at convincing me of his townieness (and apparently Diggit now too). This entire game, I've been distrustful of Story because I thought it was an act, but now, I've let down my guard, so it'd be ironic if he was scum and finally got me to recant, only to prove the old me right. It'd def. suck. And it'd win him the game prolly. But honestly, I don't know who to vote for scum-doctor. Pygmy and Diggit, before yesterday, I had you both pegged as scum, before you both role-claimed. But I found Diggit's actions Up to finally switching his vote for a Scum to be REALLY Scummy for a doctor. --Why were you willing to play the 1:3 shell game at such a critical period, when you could have tried to convince us of the scuminess of someone you'd know is 100% scum? -I feel like if you were the real doctor, you took a HUGE risk there of the game, but then again, based on how you "voted", you seem to be real big on self-preservation. It's something that pegs me as "selfish" and "anti-town", but if you really are the doctor, then man, I'd never want to go to you for help. =( Pygmy, you were the first to role claim the role, and you were also the one who role claimed the actual NAME of the doctor when you did it. That to me gave me a boost in your eyes a little, but then again, you could have been Scum that just did your homework. But still, you maintain you're DJ, and i notice that. But I don't know if you're lying and studious scum, or if you're pointing it out because it'd be something obviously in your PM, so when you claim, that's what you'd claim as, and not just the role "doctor". I'd like each of you to give me an argument trying to convince the town why the other is scum. I believe if there are 2 doctors, one of them should have the real evidence to prove it. So I'm not gonna do anyone's work for them this time. I'd rather listen to the Docs. Because obviously, one of you is going to want it more for the good of the town than the other.
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Post by Death By Irony on Aug 31, 2007 1:51:59 GMT -5
There should be a new role, like "medium" or "necromancer", who can ask the dead a question every day via ouija board or something and get a sadly cryptic answer. Like an undead magic 8-ball? ;D Well, we wouldn't be so tempted to speak if you guys would just talk more.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 31, 2007 8:01:22 GMT -5
2. I really dislike the way you chose your protection btw.... :shrug: If you're the real doctor, It's just evil. You chose the power of life and death of someone based on how much they might be willing to help YOU out? Why would Capy automatically target you? Just because she thought about voting for you? Or do you think she was too hot-headed and Anti-listening to a logical debate between two people over who is the real doctor? It's like you picked Nesta, cuz you feel he's less likely to kill you. Not because he's got good ideas or helping the town. I don't want to be diggit's lawyer or anything, but IF he is the actual Doctor, protecting the player who is less likely to kill him is, at this stage of the game, protecting the player who has good ideas and is helping the town. Again assuming diggit is the real Doctor, he knows that his own lynching might well mean the end of the game for the rest of the town. Given that, it is perfectly pro-town for him to do anything he can to avoid being lynched, up to and including choosing his protections on that basis. You really don't understand why making that decision alone, with the whole game on the line, would be a high-pressure and therefore sucky situation? I'll let diggit answer the rest of your questions for himself. I have to go do a lot of re-reading. For what it's worth, though, one point: If there are two scum left, we must be very careful with our votes. In such a circumstance, it would be incredibly easy for two players to take advantage of careless voting to create the bandwagon that ends the Day and the game instantly. I propose that no one other than the two Doctors vote at all toDay until we have settled on a target. Once we have done so, nesta can cast the first vote. I will commit to voting with nesta, and I believe Roosh should do the same. If either of us does not, lynch the one who doesn't.
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Post by diggitcamara on Aug 31, 2007 10:11:34 GMT -5
2. I really dislike the way you chose your protection btw.... :shrug: If you're the real doctor, It's just evil. You chose the power of life and death of someone based on how much they might be willing to help YOU out? Why would Capy automatically target you? Just because she thought about voting for you? Or do you think she was too hot-headed and Anti-listening to a logical debate between two people over who is the real doctor? It's like you picked Nesta, cuz you feel he's less likely to kill you. Not because he's got good ideas or helping the town. I don't want to be diggit's lawyer or anything, but IF he is the actual Doctor, protecting the player who is less likely to kill him is, at this stage of the game, protecting the player who has good ideas and is helping the town. Again assuming diggit is the real Doctor, he knows that his own lynching might well mean the end of the game for the rest of the town. Given that, it is perfectly pro-town for him to do anything he can to avoid being lynched, up to and including choosing his protections on that basis. You really don't understand why making that decision alone, with the whole game on the line, would be a high-pressure and therefore sucky situation? I'll let diggit answer the rest of your questions for himself. I have to go do a lot of re-reading. For what it's worth, though, one point: If there are two scum left, we must be very careful with our votes. In such a circumstance, it would be incredibly easy for two players to take advantage of careless voting to create the bandwagon that ends the Day and the game instantly. I propose that no one other than the two Doctors vote at all toDay until we have settled on a target. Once we have done so, nesta can cast the first vote. I will commit to voting with nesta, and I believe Roosh should do the same. If either of us does not, lynch the one who doesn't. Well, actually you summed those points up rather well. But still. First: Dude: when and if you get a power role, play it as you see fit. But look at my exchanges with capy. At one time or another I cast a FOS on her. And from then on everything I said or did was suspect to her. There are players who, for some reason or another, show that kind of behavior. Now, if we were at the early game it wouldn't pose a problem. But right now? Her bias would certainly help scum to convince her to vote against me. Secondly: Well... have you been in that situation before? When you have to decide, all by your lonesome, who's scum and who isn't? Frankly, it sucks. In M3 I was in precisely that situation. I had to choose between ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies and nesta. Worse than in this game, actually, since one of them had been recruited just two Nights before (so I only had seen him play as scum one Day) and Cookies had bias (similar to capybara's) against me. Still, we won. Still, it sucks being the one who has to decide by himself with the game on the line.
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Post by diggitcamara on Aug 31, 2007 10:34:26 GMT -5
The other points:
I have self-protected 3 times. On those occasions I certainly didn't qualify my votes much. On the others, yes, I did. I feel it helps me to clarify my thoughts when I write them out. If you're interested in them, I'll dig them up.
Why was I willing to "play the 1:3 shell game" instead of convincing you of the scumminess of someone I know is 100% scum?
That's actually a question I felt I have answered before, to capybara actually. It's because I tried to look at it from the town's perspective. And based on a 3 scum estimation.
I felt that: a.) a mislynch could be survived, if the Doctor survived. Of course during the Night I realized that was actually wrong. If there had been 3 psychos yesterDay we couldn't afford a single mislynch, Doctor or no. From my point of view yesterDay, however, there were two priorities: 1. not mislynch 2. help the Doctor (me) survive for the town's last chance b.) from the town's perspective, like storyteller and Blaster Master said yesterDay, if there were 3 psychos left, the chances to hit a psycho among the unknown 3 were actually greater. capybara came to understand that point at the end of the Day too
However, right now I have a very strong feeling there is just one scum left (pygmy). His participation has been minimal toDay, which is what I'd expect from someone who by now knows he has already lost.
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Post by nesta on Aug 31, 2007 11:17:20 GMT -5
I have self-protected 3 times. On those occasions I certainly didn't qualify my votes much. On the others, yes, I did. I feel it helps me to clarify my thoughts when I write them out. If you're interested in them, I'll dig them up. I'm interested.
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