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Post by sinjin on Dec 6, 2008 9:11:59 GMT -5
Cookies can you stop time traveling? ;D It's really, really disconcerting.
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Post by peekercpa on Dec 6, 2008 9:21:23 GMT -5
And totally out of game. Since I apparently pissed off squid and he has decided to go MIA can I get my title changed. Or am I forever doomed to be douchenozzle?
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Post by storyteller0910 on Dec 6, 2008 10:35:06 GMT -5
\ For those who like vote patterns look at yesterDay. story led the lynch, NAF helped push the boulder and then a whole bunch of folks jumped on the wagon. Just saying. Anyone want to characterize it differently? Nope.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Dec 6, 2008 11:46:19 GMT -5
Cookies can you stop time traveling? ;D It's really, really disconcerting. I will do my best. Sometimes it just happens when I sneeze... It seems to happen when you follow up one post a little too quickly with another, so be extra sure you've said everything you want to say, and have coded and spelled everything right before hitting submit. The first time it happened, I was convinced y'all would lynch me on sight for suspected cross-posting or something.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 6, 2008 11:48:01 GMT -5
Well, now that you mention it...
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 6, 2008 11:49:31 GMT -5
But some comments about my game play have been rather hurtful. I really am trying to help as well as have fun and entertain. And plugger can go to heck about the pecker comments. I was being a dick to be funny. Grow some skin, you know I love you. And WTF is the button pushing game?
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Post by special on Dec 6, 2008 12:36:38 GMT -5
But some comments about my game play have been rather hurtful. I really am trying to help as well as have fun and entertain. And plugger can go to heck about the pecker comments. I was being a dick to be funny. Grow some skin, you know I love you. And WTF is the button pushing game? You do have a funny dick. I'm still curious as to what Idle will be revealing when Day 2 starts. I'm half expecting multiple deaths in Night 1, indicating a second scum group (maybe one is Bowser based and one is DK based) or maybe there's an SK, in which case, I'd be very suspicious of our self-confirmed PFK
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Dec 6, 2008 12:54:52 GMT -5
I would start Night early but I'm still waiting on certain things.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Dec 6, 2008 13:28:08 GMT -5
Of Storyteller. (JRR Tolkien started the chapters of the Silmarillion like that. If it's good enough for him, it's more than good enough for me.) Tight at the end of Yesterday, I admitted that I had had a suspicion of Storyteller cross my mind but did not have enough time to develop the thought properly. My initial hint was in 907, but did not name names; soon afterwards I recalled that scum sometimes kill people who say “I have found something, but I'll tell you tomorrow,” just to leave the rest of the Town to wonder what it was, and maybe (if the scum are very lucky) start flinging accusing muck around. Hence in D1.931 I named names. What is bothering me is that Storyteller was, in previous games, a strong proponent of “I will discuss whatever I see fit,” and what I remembered of the interaction ( without rereading) didn't seem to square up with the position I rememberd Storyteller adopting. I apologise to Storyteller for naming names without doing the research first. I did so because I believed it was the lesser of two evils, and for only that reason. First off : for those that never played earlier games, it was in Ancient China that Storyteller stated this principle most clearly. On Day 2 of that game, an argument blew up between Storyteller and Roosh regarding a claim that Roosh had made; that plus some other details made Story sure that Roosh had lied. In D2.38 Roosh suggested to Storyteller that he concentrate on certain aspects. Storyteller said ”No.”Back to current stuff. The “Debacle” debate began in post D1.580 when Storyteller raised the point that it was an interesting choice of word. Bufftabby, giving in to the impulse to make a bad pun, suggested Storyteller was making more of the word choice than it warranted. From there the argument flared. I don't want to follow it in detail. In post D1.713 Bufftabby asks this : Now this did ping me when I read it, but it didn't do more than that, because I was distracted. (With 6 hours to go in another Mafia game I was modding, my attention was on vote counts and drafting the death post, and this game was secondary.) Nevertheless, it must have sunk in when I read it, to surface in the runup to the Day's end. We know now (which we did not then) that Bufftabby was a Townsperson, so we can treat it as motivated by the desire that Town win. Bufftabby's post was a reaction to several of Storyteller's, but this particular question followed a quote from D1.629. So let's examine it. <font style="font-size: 12px;"> Ha, I guess it looks like you're the one making a mountain out of a mole(fan)hill, now, storyA "mountain?" One post, commenting on word usage, constitutes a mountain? Fascinatin' Here's what I, in fact, said, concerning your word choice: I stand by every word. Twice (actually three times, by two players) is "repeated," and given that the word is not entirely common and entirely unsuited to the actual situation, I found that... interesting. No mountains. I put a lot of stock in language, particularly word choice and tone. The words you use can tell things about you that you don't intend, which is why they're useful. But I don't see how the above-referenced post, coupled with one follow-up indicating my intention to investigate you, is making a mountain of anything. I didn't vote for you. I didn't even explicitly state what, if anything, I felt your word choice implied. I haven't devoted hours or posts to the subject. Those who have played with me in the past will know that when I want to make a mountain out of something, it gets a great deal mountainy-er than that little-old post. Your vote for me, on the basis of one brief non-voting post in which I pointed out an interesting quirk in the language, your mischaracterization of that post as me trying to make a mountain out of a what the hell ever, these are the scummiest things I've seen so far. So let's get right to the: unvote miteymousevote bufftabby-------------------- Meanwhile, I stand by my interest in the use of the word "debacle," but much more broadly - and more of interest - is the way the brief disagreement between Mr. Special Ed and me has been blown up in subsequent conversation to be more than it was at the time. These games wind up evolving into "storylines," whether we want them to or not. These are the "big" threads, the ones that you remember in the Days to come. We make mental connections among players, sometimes unwise connections, on the basis of their participation in these storylines. From a Scum standpoint, these storylines can be a useful tool. I remember M2 very well, even now. I remember how we (the Scum in that game) found a modest disagreement between Townies in the early game and tried our best to keep referencing it, blowing it out of proportion, fanning the flames to generate not just one mislynch, but many. And it struck me that somehow, a brief disagreement between me and Mr. Special Ed regarding molefan, something that both he and I abandoned, satisfied, some time ago, has become a reference point. It keeps getting mentioned, made into a bigger deal than it was - made into a storyline when it was really just a blip. Now, I have no idea why this is happening - could be just one of those things - but it has the gentle aroma of manipulation to me. So I suggest looking more closely at the way in which this came to pass. The word "debacle" has been used three times, but the events have been referenced as significant - as storylines - more often than that. Why? By who, and in what context? I'm comfortable continuing with it as a line of inquiry. (Vote colour bleached. There's also some slight reformatting going on after using Multiquote to get a quoted copy of the post including all the formats and codes.) So the issue before us right now (after all that waffle) is “Is this post attempting to suppress debate on the issue of the disagreement between Storyteller and Mr Special Ed?” I think Storyteller definitely feels that the subject has been accorded more significance than it is worth. Storyteller certainly never said, in so many words, “This subject should be dropped.” However, that's certainly how Bufftabby read it; and with the knowledge of her alignment we can know that her reaction was honest. It's certainly true that players should focus their attention on the areas they think are most likely to yield productive end results – identifying scum being the aim. But discussion should not be squashed. Raising what one thinks might be a significant point is certainly acceptable; but so is refusing to go over the same ground for the fourth or fifth time. What I see here is a poster who thinks the issue is being pumped up and wants to leave it and talk about other things, and another who believes that a topic they want to talk about is being squsahed. After all that, I conclude that Storyteller didn't squash discussion so much as imply that there are more profitable topics to look at, which is perfectly legitimate. As an aside; once Storyteller pointed it out, I did find “debacle” an interesting choice of word. It carries connotations of a situation that ended very badly for the participants. Merriam-Webster's definitions have two meanings that relate; a violent disruption (eg the rout of an army) or a great disaster / complete failure, a fiasco. That's far too strong for this situation. The only way I could use that word on Day 1 would be if I were a scum, watching two Townies fight, and knowing the result could only be bad for the Town. (Of course, if that were the case it would be the one word I'd avoid like the plague.) Since Santo Rugger was the first person to use the word, I think the effort of going through Santo's posts might be worthwhile.
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Post by Total Ullz on Dec 6, 2008 14:35:41 GMT -5
I would start Night early but I'm still waiting on certain things. Is this a time travel-thing or did I just lose all my marbles..? I thought this was the Night...
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Dec 6, 2008 14:42:11 GMT -5
Doh. I meant Day.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Dec 6, 2008 15:10:24 GMT -5
And that Day will be staring in about 45 minutes.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 6, 2008 15:19:14 GMT -5
The only way I could use that word on Day 1 would be if I were a scum, watching two Townies fight, and knowing the result could only be bad for the Town. (Of course, if that were the case it would be the one word I'd avoid like the plague.) One of these things is not like the other.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Dec 6, 2008 15:43:30 GMT -5
And that Day will be staring in about 45 minutes. I hate it when the Days stare at me. Freaks me out. ;D
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Post by Total Ullz on Dec 6, 2008 16:01:10 GMT -5
And that Day will be staring in about 45 minutes. I hate it when the Days stare at me. Freaks me out. ;D I get a feeling we are not afraid of a MOD-kill for cheekyness
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 6, 2008 16:04:20 GMT -5
cheeky = smart ass ?
I've heard it a few times, but we don't use it very often on this side of the pond.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Dec 6, 2008 16:03:35 GMT -5
The only way I could use that word on Day 1 would be if I were a scum, watching two Townies fight, and knowing the result could only be bad for the Town. (Of course, if that were the case it would be the one word I'd avoid like the plague.) One of these things is not like the other. Not really. What it says is that you can only talk about something being a debacle once you know the outcome.
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Post by Total Ullz on Dec 6, 2008 16:06:00 GMT -5
cheeky = smart ass ? I've heard it a few times, but we don't use it very often on this side of the pond. Yes - cheeky=smart ass What do you call it... let me guess: Smart Ass
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Post by Merestil Haye on Dec 6, 2008 16:04:39 GMT -5
cheeky = smart ass ? I've heard it a few times, but we don't use it very often on this side of the pond. Talking back to your elders and betters. Quite possibly the American would be smart-arse, yes.
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