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Post by Total Ullz on Dec 30, 2008 13:58:09 GMT -5
That's pretty much my plan. And while I'm here, I'd like to mention that no-lynch would have been a bad idea for either side in this case. Having an extra lynch for a Day is a good thing. It gives us an extra Day's worth of data points among a smaller group of people. No lynch would have given us little to look at in the side that no-lynched. The lynch mechanism is a pro-town thing. No-lynch is except for very rare occasions anti-town. This would not have been one of those rare occasions. I'm still unsure of what would have happened if one group had ended the Day with a tie. I know it might not matter anymore but I have a feeling it might happen again and therefore would like to hear what others might think? As for the DBI-remark... I didn't like it but I'm not going to pay any attention to it! She was scum and we all know scum lies
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Post by MiteyMouse on Dec 30, 2008 14:01:40 GMT -5
YAY Minus world! Sorry to see you go Shaggy! I have read the other thread and it's pretty confusing. I will have to reread it before the Day starts.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Dec 30, 2008 14:10:10 GMT -5
The split up and the long Day and the amount I am absolutely not retaining in my mafia brain when trying to read the thread that I didn't participate in are leaving me feeling very disconnected and alone. *sniff*
I hope this Night is kind and uncovers some good leads and conversation fodder.
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Post by Nanook on Dec 30, 2008 15:00:13 GMT -5
The thing I find most interesting from the split(besides the fact that I didn't like it, but that's a personal thing), is the way a bunch of people in the minus world seemed to ignore or handwave away DBI's slip. I mean really, "my scum kills"? That's about as blantant an admission of scummitude as you can get. About the only way it could be worse is if she pulled a Santo and misposted here instead of the scum board. When my brain is working a bit better, I'm going to have a look at some of the people that seemed to be less interested in that slip.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Dec 30, 2008 15:07:15 GMT -5
You don't really expect us to buy that, do you? Especially since she mentions "other two scum" here: psychopathgame.proboards106.com/index.cgi?board=isthisanotherclue&action=display&thread=601&page=3#37165I think since she knew she was a likely lynch candidate, so she (and possibly the other scum, since Idle confirmed that the scum could talk on their board yesterDay) figured they'd have her throw out WIFOM. Now if her post in toNight's thread isn't an honest slip (and I doubt it is), I just want to say that it's extremely bad form and a violation of the spirit of mafia. It's something that if anyone ever pulled in a game I ran they would be mod-killed for an instant loss for them, regardless of what they were. Agreed. So, Mitey Mouse, how's the weather gonna be? Watcha thinkin? I'm thinking tornado. Or calm summer day.
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Post by MiteyMouse on Dec 30, 2008 15:14:50 GMT -5
I asked for a sandstorm!
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Dec 30, 2008 15:49:30 GMT -5
The thing I find most interesting from the split(besides the fact that I didn't like it, but that's a personal thing), is the way a bunch of people in the minus world seemed to ignore or handwave away DBI's slip. I mean really, "my scum kills"? That's about as blantant an admission of scummitude as you can get. About the only way it could be worse is if she pulled a Santo and misposted here instead of the scum board. When my brain is working a bit better, I'm going to have a look at some of the people that seemed to be less interested in that slip. I took it very differently. I don't see anyone ignoring it or dismissing it right out. But I do see people not wanting to 1) Drop the hammer and end the Day, 2) Not give DBI a chance to explain herself, 3) Not let the pressure on pedescribe wane, and 4) Not let the conversation die out because the lynch is now a given. No one faulted anyone for voting for her. No one found it suspicious. No one came to her defense. Chances are likely there were other scum in Minus world. And while people not voting her right off the bat is a data point to be noted, absent anything else it's a null tell in of itself, IMO. After all, she has had votes on her every Day. It's possible those who pounced on her slip right away could have been bussing for cred since past history indicated with that slip she was a likely lynch. And scum could pretty much count on town noticing it. And then there's someone like Special Ed who noted it right away, but didn't vote until much later. In all, I don't think anyone's actions surrounding it are a clear tell. But that's just what I see. I don't want to discourage you from looking. A fresh set of eyes and someone analyzing things from a different place is never a bad thing.
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Post by special on Dec 30, 2008 16:17:26 GMT -5
The thing I find most interesting from the split(besides the fact that I didn't like it, but that's a personal thing), is the way a bunch of people in the minus world seemed to ignore or handwave away DBI's slip. I mean really, "my scum kills"? That's about as blantant an admission of scummitude as you can get. About the only way it could be worse is if she pulled a Santo and misposted here instead of the scum board. When my brain is working a bit better, I'm going to have a look at some of the people that seemed to be less interested in that slip. I took it very differently. I don't see anyone ignoring it or dismissing it right out. But I do see people not wanting to 1) Drop the hammer and end the Day, 2) Not give DBI a chance to explain herself, 3) Not let the pressure on pedescribe wane, and 4) Not let the conversation die out because the lynch is now a given. No one faulted anyone for voting for her. No one found it suspicious. No one came to her defense. Chances are likely there were other scum in Minus world. And while people not voting her right off the bat is a data point to be noted, absent anything else it's a null tell in of itself, IMO. After all, she has had votes on her every Day. It's possible those who pounced on her slip right away could have been bussing for cred since past history indicated with that slip she was a likely lynch. And scum could pretty much count on town noticing it. And then there's someone like Special Ed who noted it right away, but didn't vote until much later. In all, I don't think anyone's actions surrounding it are a clear tell. But that's just what I see. I don't want to discourage you from looking. A fresh set of eyes and someone analyzing things from a different place is never a bad thing. A thought has occurred to me, especially after reading the Mushroom Kingdom's Day 4. What is DBI's slip wasn't a slip but a sacrifice? It's possible that the Minus World was heavy on Scum. It looked possible that pede was going to be lynched. What if DBI sacrificed herself because pede's power was more useful to Scum than her own? or, perhaps Scum had some other reason for it. This is just a thought, I'm not FOS'ing anyone. I'm just suggesting a topic to be discussed.
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Post by MiteyMouse on Dec 30, 2008 16:44:19 GMT -5
That is a very interesting idea ED!
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Post by Chucara on Dec 30, 2008 19:50:26 GMT -5
Well.. I can certainly see that it is possible that DBI was being sacrificed.. I mean.. it was pretty much in the cards that DBI was going down eventually. However, I don't recall pedescribe being overly aggressive towards DBI, but I'll have to reread.
However, I don't want to have a pedescribe lynch take up all the focus, as odds are there will now be more scum in the non-minus world group.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Dec 30, 2008 20:20:09 GMT -5
However, I don't want to have a pedescribe lynch take up all the focus, as odds are there will now be more scum in the non-minus world group. How do you figure? The reveal of of an item in any random distribution does not change the distribution. Everybody was put in two groups. And there were originally 10 per group, I believe (which after the death of story became 10 in one and 9 in the other). This means that every player had an equal chance to be in one or the other. The fact that one of these is revealed to be scum, doesn't change the fact that everyone still had an equal chance to be in one or the other. In other words, dotchan's status of scumminess had no bearing on anyone else. Sure you could reasonably expect that the scum were split fairly evenly, but saying that the minus people now are less likely to have scum among them because one of their member's was outed as scum is false. Because you don't know (or at least shouldn't know, if you are town) that the distribution was in fact even. In fact, the smaller the sample size, the easier it is to have results that fall in the extremes.
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Post by Chucara on Dec 30, 2008 21:29:32 GMT -5
Hoopy: Absolutely correct. I agree that the accuracy of my assumption is awful, but still the situation with the greatest likelihood remains a close-to-equal split of the groups. And if there is an uneven number of scum, there might be exactly the same number of scum in each group even if divided as evenly as possible.
However, all this doesn't matter in game terms. The main point of my observation was that I don't want all focus to go to one person(pedescribe). I doubt anyone can disagree with that.
Even if we make the assumption that pedescribe is scum, I'd strongly prefer a day of discussion either way.
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Post by special on Dec 30, 2008 22:34:28 GMT -5
Hoopy: Absolutely correct. I agree that the accuracy of my assumption is awful, but still the situation with the greatest likelihood remains a close-to-equal split of the groups. And if there is an uneven number of scum, there might be exactly the same number of scum in each group even if divided as evenly as possible. However, all this doesn't matter in game terms. The main point of my observation was that I don't want all focus to go to one person(pedescribe). I doubt anyone can disagree with that. Even if we make the assumption that pedescribe is scum, I'd strongly prefer a day of discussion either way. I specifically didn't want my scenario to sound like a smudge. I was only giving a what-if situation and hoping to spark some conversation. I do need to re-read the Mushroom Kingdom's Day 4 again. Almost is pinging me a bit. It seemed as if she were trying to steer things. First towards assuming all the scum were in the minus world, and then toward lynching shaggy. (and in saying that, I too, probably would have voted for shaggy) However, I notice quite a few people are thinking that she's earned some town credibility (townibility??). Why is that? I'm not discounting it, I'm just hoping for a summary.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 30, 2008 23:01:11 GMT -5
The thing I find most interesting from the split(besides the fact that I didn't like it, but that's a personal thing), is the way a bunch of people in the minus world seemed to ignore or handwave away DBI's slip. I mean really, "my scum kills"? That's about as blantant an admission of scummitude as you can get. About the only way it could be worse is if she pulled a Santo and misposted here instead of the scum board. When my brain is working a bit better, I'm going to have a look at some of the people that seemed to be less interested in that slip. For the record, my slip as scum wasn't posting here instead of onto my scum board. It was a response to the moderator asking what he should do about a situation in-game, that was meant to be a private message. Okay, out of everybody online right now, guess which one is drunker than everybody put together?! Anybody wanna know what I plan to do tonight??
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Dec 30, 2008 23:07:24 GMT -5
Anybody wanna know what I plan to do tonight?? I don't know why it is, but I do. I think it's something akin to the "staring at a train wreck" scenario.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Dec 30, 2008 23:34:20 GMT -5
Half an hour left.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Dec 30, 2008 23:46:28 GMT -5
I cross-posted as scum in Firefly, and I'm still cranky about it. I was having the best game evar.
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Post by special on Dec 30, 2008 23:53:25 GMT -5
WAIT!!! I need goggles and a mask of some sort.
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