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Night 1
Jan 30, 2009 20:46:35 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jan 30, 2009 20:46:35 GMT -5
Ok this is no B.S. And I understand that strategy is allowed, but yet it is night so I hope the fluff tolerance is a little greater.
I was out for the day with my dad a couple of years ago. There were all of these 70 and 80 something geezers that were kind of a club. They volunteered to help keep the local golf course pruned up in the tree regard. This whole kerfluffle kicks off at about six in the morning. After a couple of cups of coffee we take off like bats in hell to attack the nefarious dead tree. Get there and these guys all get out with ladders and their own chain saws and commence to climbing up in trees and basically action like leatherface on a holiday. Couple of hours later they are done. So it's pushing 10 a. Time for a beverage and a snack. Beverage is Budweiser and snack is pickled pig's feet or saltines with sardines onion slices and mustard. Couple of beers later here go the geriatric leatherfaces to tame the wild oak and elm. I sat in the car and just drank beer hoping that one of them wouldn't get sucked into the chipper.
One of the most surreal moments of my middle aged life.
Since then I have stuck with tequilla for its memory erasing capacity.
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Night 1
Jan 30, 2009 21:57:50 GMT -5
Post by shaggy on Jan 30, 2009 21:57:50 GMT -5
well that sucks, so sorry to see you get lynched mitey And In regards to the votes on me and this: Well that sucks. And the time of day end sucked too. I had a long post made up for why I was going to vote Mitey 1. Shaggy 3*. and pedescribe** 4<sup>google</sup> and missed the window by 2 minutes. *Because he started the time clock and wouldn't even consider that Mitey could be SCUM. **Because he apparently screwed up some role pms and didn't post the vote count to start the time clock until way late in the Day and didn't sticky it. This game is hard enough with the borda count thing. Mods please post all the relavent information in the first Day ** post. And FCOD if you would be so kind as to change the wiki Day end time when the time clock is started I would be ever so grateful.* The fact that he never considered it makes me think his vote is possibly a bus, but it is too early to tell. I am not suspicious enough to accuse him of that, but it is something I will make note to look at again later. Perhaps after day 2 when we find out who the scum mason was. I still don't think that it is Zeriel, but if it is it will look bad for Shaggy in my eyes. So let me get this straight, because I actually read and analyzed both what happened leading up to the mason thread post, the mason thread and the post's after. I did an anti-town thing? Gee I just get a strong feeling the SCUM are going to have a cake walk here. Like what really was the point of posting the mason thread, the PM's, and everything else if aparently some are not actually going to analyze them, read them, and actually put any merrit in them? And the one rational person that does...if he zerial turn out to be SCUM, must be bad as well? My suspicion is now highly on the last minute vote changers, both for mitey and me. A good example is this: But here is the thing if it is not magic bagging by zeriel what is this? I dunno about you but how is this not the definition of magic bagging? ?? Did he say his power in the end? Yes but so did mitey . And lastly on my long winded post, I always thought the number one cardinal rule of mafia is unless there is a counter claim or really and I mean really big evidance, you never lynch the investigative roles. As I said, I get a good feeling that the SCUM out there, if this is the way the town is going to play, they are going to have a cake walk here.
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Night 1
Jan 30, 2009 22:18:19 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Jan 30, 2009 22:18:19 GMT -5
Er, we'd already revealed that we had powers all of us and were keeping them quiet until necessary. A "magic bag" is "this is important but I can't tell you", not "I can't tell you and it doesn't matter"--the "doesn't work on fellow masons" was the relevant part of my power a the time.
That having been said, I'm not especially suspicious of you even though you're off-base in my case.
As for the investigators, we HAVE a functional equivalent of really big evidence in that Mitey was acting scummiest of the mason trio, of whom we know one was scum. Hell, from my point of view, she STARTED as a 50% chance to be scum.
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Night 1
Jan 30, 2009 22:40:41 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Jan 30, 2009 22:40:41 GMT -5
GRRRR, Shaggy's post just pisses me off. Just quoting the last bit;
Did you miss the part that Mitey's theoretical investigative mason claim had a 1/3 chance of being false and SCUM? Did you miss the part where Mitey's role pm differed from the other two masons pm and the generic role pm? Did you ignore her waffling in the mason thread?
We were dealing with a situation that was to me at least unique. Your continued refusal to even acknowledge these points makes me wonder about your agenda even more. I know I have tunnel vision frequently but dang guy I think you have scanning electron microscope vision.
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Night 1
Jan 31, 2009 0:59:55 GMT -5
Post by harmless little bunny on Jan 31, 2009 0:59:55 GMT -5
Ok this is no B.S. And I understand that strategy is allowed, but yet it is night so I hope the fluff tolerance is a little greater. I was out for the day with my dad a couple of years ago. There were all of these 70 and 80 something geezers that were kind of a club. They volunteered to help keep the local golf course pruned up in the tree regard. This whole kerfluffle kicks off at about six in the morning. After a couple of cups of coffee we take off like bats in hell to attack the nefarious dead tree. Get there and these guys all get out with ladders and their own chain saws and commence to climbing up in trees and basically action like leatherface on a holiday. Couple of hours later they are done. So it's pushing 10 a. Time for a beverage and a snack. Beverage is Budweiser and snack is pickled pig's feet or saltines with sardines onion slices and mustard. Couple of beers later here go the geriatric leatherfaces to tame the wild oak and elm. I sat in the car and just drank beer hoping that one of them wouldn't get sucked into the chipper. One of the most surreal moments of my middle aged life. Since then I have stuck with tequilla for its memory erasing capacity. I, for one, welcome the fluff. Analyzing everything everyone has said the last few days has been fun, but also it's nice to read some posts that don't really have to be under heavy scrutiny. That said I will take a 'Tom Collins.' Take 5 or 6 dashes of gum syrup. Juice of a small lemon. 1 large wine-glass of gin. 2 or 3 lumps of ice; Shake up well and strain into a large bar-glass. Fill up the glass with plain soda water and imbibe while it is lively.
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Night 1
Jan 31, 2009 7:56:07 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jan 31, 2009 7:56:07 GMT -5
Ok, maybe this uncool so I am going to pop it out there. But sinjin isn't shag the lucky SO of the mouse? I know it's all meta but still.
Also, we have a couple of new players whose prescence or abcence of a third leg I am unclear. Most of you folk I have got down but others not so much. Seriously the cow and the well dressed feline would have caused some lifeline burnings. Back with the real stuff in a bit.
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Night 1
Jan 31, 2009 8:27:18 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jan 31, 2009 8:27:18 GMT -5
Bad peek, bad.
Yesterday was a duh. One of the Masons needed to swing. I fell into the trap of voting them from most to least scummy. But that did town a disservice since that gives no data points. Human nature but none the less poor strategy. Sorry gals/guys.
I am suggesting that going forward that we only vote the most scummy of the remaining Masons and leave the other off totally using the other votes to line up our seconday suspicions and why. Tertiary seems like more of an FOS than anything. This, of course, will and should change if some other information becomes available.
Since we can stategize during the night it would be nice to reach a general concensus regarding the Masons early and then move on.
Because if tomorrow devolves into a rubber/glue ping pong match I believe that we would just be buying scum time.
Meh, my two cents.
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Night 1
Jan 31, 2009 9:50:18 GMT -5
Post by roxis on Jan 31, 2009 9:50:18 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree with you, peek. Yesterday I was finding zeriel more scummy than Ed, but he does raise a good point - Ed could have copied zeriel's PM. However, I believe Ed started the case against mitey, and zeriel could have just gone along with him in order to not get lynched.
There's a 50% chance of getting it right, and, while I'd like to believe zeriel (because he claims his PM got messed up, and I KNOW mine did), I honestly am finding him more scummy than Ed.
Also, just something I've been thinking about: Dedede is not a bad guy in every Kirby game. In the n64 one, he's actually a good guy. Now, I know nothing about Star Fox, and only a little about Zelda, but if Wolf ever aligned with Fox, it's possible that Ganondorf is the odd one out, since I think he's always evil. However, if Wolf was always evil, then Dedede is the odd one out, having been a hero in one game. It's color, and so it means nothing, but it is possible that pede put that in as very, very small hint.
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Night 1
Jan 31, 2009 11:08:30 GMT -5
Post by harmless little bunny on Jan 31, 2009 11:08:30 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree with you, peek. Yesterday I was finding zeriel more scummy than Ed, but he does raise a good point - Ed could have copied zeriel's PM. However, I believe Ed started the case against mitey, and zeriel could have just gone along with him in order to not get lynched. There's a 50% chance of getting it right, and, while I'd like to believe zeriel (because he claims his PM got messed up, and I KNOW mine did), I honestly am finding him more scummy than Ed. Also, just something I've been thinking about: Dedede is not a bad guy in every Kirby game. In the n64 one, he's actually a good guy. Now, I know nothing about Star Fox, and only a little about Zelda, but if Wolf ever aligned with Fox, it's possible that Ganondorf is the odd one out, since I think he's always evil. However, if Wolf was always evil, then Dedede is the odd one out, having been a hero in one game. It's color, and so it means nothing, but it is possible that pede put that in as very, very small hint. I very seriously doubt that color has anything to do with it. Also the fact that Ed started the case against Mitey doesn't really mean anything to me either. She was acting suspicious, so Ed could be a scum just pointing fingers at an easy target or Zeriel could be scum just jumping in on an easy target. It's impossible to tell and thus useless to speculate in my eyes. I am going to see what happens tonight and hopefully that will provide some clues.
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Night 1
Jan 31, 2009 12:53:55 GMT -5
Post by shaggy on Jan 31, 2009 12:53:55 GMT -5
Bad peek, bad. I am suggesting that going forward that we only vote the most scummy of the remaining Masons and leave the other off totally using the other votes to line up our seconday suspicions and why. Tertiary seems like more of an FOS than anything. This, of course, will and should change if some other information becomes available. Very good sudgestion peek , only vote for the one your most suspicious of. The only trouble with doing your sudgestion is. That is exactly what I did with my votes yesterday, I voted for the one I found most suspicous and the one other I found most suspicious for day 1 and aparently to do so, is pro-scum/anti-town. So aparently it is a good idea but not good to actually do.
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Night 1
Jan 31, 2009 13:16:36 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jan 31, 2009 13:16:36 GMT -5
Bad peek, bad. I am suggesting that going forward that we only vote the most scummy of the remaining Masons and leave the other off totally using the other votes to line up our seconday suspicions and why. Tertiary seems like more of an FOS than anything. This, of course, will and should change if some other information becomes available. Very good sudgestion peek , only vote for the one your most suspicious of. The only trouble with doing your sudgestion is. That is exactly what I did with my votes yesterday, I voted for the one I found most suspicous and the one other I found most suspicious for day 1 and aparently to do so, is pro-scum/anti-town. So aparently it is a good idea but not good to actually do. Not from me. I fell into a sleepy trap. One out of three, whoopee, good odds. And I kind of went blind on the other players. Now we've got a dead team member with potentially something worse coming up. I really don't think the scum faction is going to do us the favor of eliminating the non scum Mason. Maybe if we have a Vig that would help. I mean even if they were to hit wrong we only would lose one day as opposed to two. I am not suggesting how a town power role should behave because that is ultimately her or his choice and decision. Just kind of thinking out loud - always dangerous for my shelf life.
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Night 1
Jan 31, 2009 18:17:48 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Jan 31, 2009 18:17:48 GMT -5
well that sucks, so sorry to see you get lynched mitey And In regards to the votes on me and this: * The fact that he never considered it makes me think his vote is possibly a bus, but it is too early to tell. I am not suspicious enough to accuse him of that, but it is something I will make note to look at again later. Perhaps after day 2 when we find out who the scum mason was. I still don't think that it is Zeriel, but if it is it will look bad for Shaggy in my eyes. So let me get this straight, because I actually read and analyzed both what happened leading up to the mason thread post, the mason thread and the post's after. I did an anti-town thing? Gee I just get a strong feeling the SCUM are going to have a cake walk here. Like what really was the point of posting the mason thread, the PM's, and everything else if aparently some are not actually going to analyze them, read them, and actually put any merrit in them? And the one rational person that does...if he zerial turn out to be SCUM, must be bad as well? My suspicion is now highly on the last minute vote changers, both for mitey and me. Crazypunker and Sinjin are suspicious of you not because you offered reasons why you thought Zeriel was scum, but because you never once discussed the possibility that MiteyMouse might be. You ignored the possibility altogether. A good example is this: But here is the thing if it is not magic bagging by zeriel what is this? I dunno about you but how is this not the definition of magic bagging? ?? Did he say his power in the end? Yes but so did mitey . I don't think you know what we mean when we talk about a magic bag (or at least what I mean when I use the term). A magic bag is a hint that you know something or can find something out that will crack the game open and / or answer a question that the Town needs to know, often made close to the end of a Day, and which is never, ever accompanied by a roleclaim. Zeriel claimed his role and stated he wasn't going to reveal all because letting the SCUM know about it (or a limitation of it) might help the SCUM play around it. That isn't a Magic Bag. MiteyMouse dropped a hint that she might be able to solve the problem. That is. That rule is a good generality, but like all Mafia generalities, it is never an absolute. For example, one might want to lynch the investigator to confirm his or her claim of being an investigator was true. Knowing that, you now know how to view their claimed investigation reports. More later.
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Night 1
Jan 31, 2009 20:46:54 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Jan 31, 2009 20:46:54 GMT -5
Ok, maybe this uncool so I am going to pop it out there. But sinjin isn't shag the lucky SO of the mouse? I know it's all meta but still. Frankly peeks I don't care if they're conjoined hermaphroditic twins from east outer Afghanistan who give bicycles to blind men on Bokonon's birthday. The only ones who knew Mitey wasn't SCUM yesterday were SCUM. He just seems way over the top angry at a typical town mislynch on day one to me. If his play is based on his relationship with Mitey IRL, well so it goes.
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Post by peekercpa on Feb 1, 2009 8:57:36 GMT -5
Ok, in case I don't make it to kick off. We could potentially put the Mason situation (hey, it rhymes) on the back burner. We did this in simpletown. If no other clear candidate shows up we can always go back. I would propose that we just ignore them and play like they don't exist. If we reach a concensus on an alternative, fine. If not we come back to hand or bush. I really hoped that we would be there already but since the cricket attack this is the best that I can come up with.
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Post by harmless little bunny on Feb 1, 2009 9:09:19 GMT -5
Ok, in case I don't make it to kick off. We could potentially put the Mason situation (hey, it rhymes) on the back burner. We did this in simpletown. If no other clear candidate shows up we can always go back. I would propose that we just ignore them and play like they don't exist. If we reach a concensus on an alternative, fine. If not we come back to hand or bush. I really hoped that we would be there already but since the cricket attack this is the best that I can come up with. I don't know. On one had we could gain a lot of information on the rest of the players if we ignore the mason situation, but if we ignore the mason situation we could miss out on something that may come up day 2 that would make it clear who is the evil mason. The other thing is that if Zeriel was honest with his PM (as I suspect he his) then he will be able to use his power on Night 2. For the record I am still considering that Zeriel may be scum. It is just his aggressiveness that I like. I can see the scum playing it safe more than Zeriel has. His aggressiveness did lead to the lynch of Mitey though, so I am keeping an open mind on the situation so that I can view each post with a clear mind during Day Two. Also I am pretty drunk right now so I probably shouldn't even be posting in this condition, but if I have some spelling errors or anything like that you know why. I am going to shut up now. Goldschlager is kicking my A55. It tastes like candy, but it sneaks up on you.
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Post by harmless little bunny on Feb 1, 2009 9:10:14 GMT -5
Ok, in case I don't make it to kick off. We could potentially put the Mason situation (hey, it rhymes) on the back burner. We did this in simpletown. If no other clear candidate shows up we can always go back. I would propose that we just ignore them and play like they don't exist. If we reach a concensus on an alternative, fine. If not we come back to hand or bush. I really hoped that we would be there already but since the cricket attack this is the best that I can come up with. I don't know. On one had we could gain a lot of information on the rest of the players if we ignore the mason situation, but if we ignore the mason situation we could miss out on something that may come up day 2 that would make it clear who is the evil mason. The other thing is that if Zeriel was honest with his PM (as I suspect he his) then he will be able to use his power on Night 2. For the record I am still considering that Zeriel may be scum. It is just his aggressiveness that I like. I can see the scum playing it safe more than Zeriel has. His aggressiveness did lead to the lynch of Mitey though, so I am keeping an open mind on the situation so that I can view each post with a clear mind during Day Two. Also I am pretty drunk right now so I probably shouldn't even be posting in this condition, but if I have some spelling errors or anything like that you know why. I am going to shut up now. Goldschlager is kicking my A55. It tastes like candy, but it sneaks up on you. It should say hand, not had. Iknew I shouldn't post drunk.
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Night 1
Feb 1, 2009 10:06:50 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Feb 1, 2009 10:06:50 GMT -5
Dude. Posting drunk is the way to go. Got a SB party kicking off and I am already trashed. Typing is the bitch.
And I was totally watching with my homeys last night to see what the ho would go down.
Ok, kind of a stretch. Actually I was doing DDR with my pre teens. Can anyone really do more than basic? And if any pig out there is catching a glimpse, then you are toast.
Count Chocula and Tequilla seems to be imminent.
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