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Feb 10, 2009 20:10:06 GMT -5
Post by roxis on Feb 10, 2009 20:10:06 GMT -5
2nd how exactly did you roxis get another ball? I just am curious as to whether another player gave it to you, that you are unware of or just through out the game aparently you will be given more. It just seems odd to get another ball out of the blue. So I am curious as to why and how, though i do realize that you may or maynot even know your self. Dunno. Perk of being a Pokémon trainer I guess. When I recalled the Pokémon I had out Night 1, I found a "mysterious Pokéball" at my feet. Wouldn't know what it did until I used it. Color alertHowever, despite my rather unimpressive Super Smash Bros. knowledge, I HAVE played the first two games, and I know that one of the "items" you use to beat up your opponents is a Pokéball. You pick it up, throw it, and a random Pokémon comes out. One of them is Snorlax. I don't know if I'll find any more, but I'm sure that since in SSB items are important, we can attribute the finding of random items to a way to tie the game in to mafia.
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Feb 10, 2009 21:19:01 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Feb 10, 2009 21:19:01 GMT -5
1st if the staff came from a cut from the game PFK, which a jester is. But can be given and used in the game. So would it be another PFK, since that is who you got it from, or a TOWN player that you need to hand it to? I know it is hard to say, but it is some food for thought. The role PM clearly stated that it was a scum role. I also clearly stated it was a scum role. You may be skimming. I caught Ed skimming on Day One and he turned out to be scum. I'm watching you, mister. Dunno. Perk of being a Pokémon trainer I guess. When I recalled the Pokémon I had out Night 1, I found a "mysterious Pokéball" at my feet. Wouldn't know what it did until I used it. When exactly did you get it? Beginning of Night One? Beginning of Day Two? 'Cause what I'm thinking is that somebody, like me acquiring the staff, might have had a Poke Ball they couldn't use and since you claimed Day One they used the opportunity to give you the Poke Ball in hopes you could use it. Oh, and while I'm thinking about it since nobody has said it's a bad idea. Mods, I give the staff to tdpatriots.*shrug* Could be good, could be bad. Wee. ---- I'm quite disturbed by the lack of conversation toDay. So I'm just going to go ahead and vote based on how I was leaning yesterDay. 1. Vote ChucaraubbyIt sucks as a replacement to be judged for the sins of the original, but as it stands now aubby's actions were very suspicious and nothing Chucara has done has convinced me to give up being suspicious of them. 3. Vote brokentreeI'm still a wee bit suspicious of brokentree. Right now I'm unsure of how to read her powers. They could be pro-town, but they could also be scum's powers. However, if the scum also have trophying in their corner then I doubt brokentree is scum. Still leaves her open as a third-party, though, which I can also see have those types of powers. I agree with Hal that the 6 might have killed sinjin, but I would feel like a kill would only result from an 8 or a 9. Or maybe the 6 only actually had a 50% chance of killing. I also agree that the 1 may have resulted in brokentree's 3 votes against her yesterDay. Makes sense to me. I'll find somebody to put in the two slot later.
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Feb 10, 2009 21:22:26 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Feb 10, 2009 21:22:26 GMT -5
Ah, the abyss that is IAH. Based on pede comment about a no lynch I have the following observation: that would be exceedingly bad for town. Cripes, even a mis lynch is better than nothing in that it doesn't help establish data points. FCS after last night I think that a passive approach is gonna lead to our defeat. I know this is pot/kettle but at least I have committed to trying to get caught up and make a peekreasoned vote. Some of the other folks seem to have fallen off of the earth.
Mod question: What level of voting needs to be achieved to avoid a no lynch?
Is it a certain number of folks voting or a certain number of votes on a player?
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Feb 10, 2009 21:26:43 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Feb 10, 2009 21:26:43 GMT -5
And crapinsky the last part was supposed to be in green as well, so let's try
Is it a certian number of folks voting or a certain number of votes on a player that triggers the threshhold?[/color
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Feb 10, 2009 21:27:48 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Feb 10, 2009 21:27:48 GMT -5
Ah, phuq it.
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Feb 10, 2009 21:33:36 GMT -5
Post by harmless little bunny on Feb 10, 2009 21:33:36 GMT -5
First of all I wanted to say that I have noticed that not much is going on lately. Day 2 was almost useless. Today we aren't talking about anything super useful. That being said I think that we are helping the scum by making it easy for them to blend in. I think we need a lot more discussion going on to force them to participate and give them the chance to mess up. It has been hard to get a good read on anyone so far, but I did notice a few things. This post: <font style="font-size: 12px;"> <font style="font-size: 12px;">Ok, so you tagged Parzival with a 1, which Natlaw link describes as: So it seems like that this is a rather bad thing for the person wielding the hammer -- I guess it's not unreasonable to figure that's why you've lost your voting ability for the day. It's still a little odd that the mods didn't make your restriction public, but I'm more or less appeased. Unvote brokentree...(Sorry FCOD) It's also quite likely that hitting Sinjin with a "6" killed him. That being the case, I'd ask a favor: Watch where you point that thing!!brings up a few questions. If the hammer killed Sinjin with a 6 then I get the feeling that it is meant to be pointed at the enemy, not the town. I tend to think of a hammer as a weapon anyways, so I am not sure I would have used it like that. Did you suspect Sinjin of anything or were you testing your hammer's powers? I am a little bit suspicious about somebody pointing a hammer that they don't have a clue about at a random player. If Brokentree is a scum then she could have lied about not know what the hammer does. for right now I will vote Brokentree 1 If you can explain why you pointed the hammer at Sinjin I will consider revising my vote. I am also very curious about the staff. I don't know of any character in SSB who uses a staff. I am assuming that TD hasn't said anything about what it does because he feels that if he does it will help the scum. I don't really know what to think about the whole situation. I do feel like Pollux has been giving good town ideas for the whole game though, so I trust that he will do what is best with the staff. I also have one more question for the people who have been buried. Does it just protect you? Can you still use the powers associated with your role? (if there are any powers...)
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Feb 10, 2009 21:41:15 GMT -5
Post by harmless little bunny on Feb 10, 2009 21:41:15 GMT -5
Also I want to let everyone know I will be moving this weekend. I will stay as active as possible. Next week I will be unpacking a lot of stuff at my new house, but I will still be able to play effectively.
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Feb 10, 2009 21:54:16 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Feb 10, 2009 21:54:16 GMT -5
Ah, the abyss that is IAH. Based on pede comment about a no lynch I have the following observation: that would be exceedingly bad for town. Cripes, even a mis lynch is better than nothing in that it doesn't help establish data points. FCS after last night I think that a passive approach is gonna lead to our defeat. I know this is pot/kettle but at least I have committed to trying to get caught up and make a peekreasoned vote. Some of the other folks seem to have fallen off of the earth. Mod question: What level of voting needs to be achieved to avoid a no lynch?Is it a certain number of folks voting or a certain number of votes on a player? 3 points. That is, at least one complete vote (in which case, at least one player will have at least 3 points) must be cast.
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Feb 10, 2009 21:55:26 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Feb 10, 2009 21:55:26 GMT -5
Mods, I give the staff to tdpatriots. I will not confirm or deny this statement, as it would unduly alter the game state. However, if it affects the game, it is noted.
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Feb 10, 2009 21:57:17 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Feb 10, 2009 21:57:17 GMT -5
Votes: Player | Vote 1 | Vote 2 | Vote 3 | Natlaw | misterblocky | | | Pollux Oil | Chucara | | brokentree | brokentree | brokentree | | |
Totals: Votee | Total | Voters (#1) | Voters (#2) | Voters (#3) | brokentree | 4 (0) | brokentree | | Pollux Oil | Chucara | 3 (0) | Pollux Oil | | | misterblocky | 3 (0) | Natlaw | | |
Not Voting: Chucara, Hal Briston, Hoopy Frood, Kat, KidVermicious, Nanook, Parzival, TDPatriots, crazypunker, misterblocky, molefan, peekercpa, roxis, shaggy
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Feb 10, 2009 22:06:07 GMT -5
Post by Parzival on Feb 10, 2009 22:06:07 GMT -5
I think we've spent a lot of time on various weird effects and what crazypunker said is true. Not a whole lot of substance here. I've been very busy the last few days (and expect to be until tomorrow evening), but I wanted to add one more thing, since it may prevent further distractions. I sidekicked Roxis Night 1. I have a feeling the extra pokeball may have come from me. In case you think I'm just trying to take credit for something that someone else has done, I did breadcrumb it - my very first post on Day 2 included this (color added): Finally, I had wanted to mention to Roxis that I was just pulling names trying to make sure people had a vote recorded. Since I only wanted to add a single point to the Mason count I had to put zeriel at #3. Putting you up also gave me the chance to ask the questions I had, but that was sort of incidental. I wasn't trying to choose you specifically. I'm neither suspicious of nor trusting you at this point. (The vote during the day wasn't a signal, but it allowed me to put that statement in there in the morning.) This doesn't mean I know for sure that it was me. I'm not told what effect I have on the player I pick. In Roxis' case, though, I was told that I wouldn't be allowed to target her again. That makes more sense to me know, since it's a one-time addition of a pokeball. It seemed to me earlier just as plausible that there was some powerful roleblocker in place.
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Feb 10, 2009 22:11:22 GMT -5
Post by roxis on Feb 10, 2009 22:11:22 GMT -5
Well, since the dirt beds seem to be an object of discussion, this is what happened to me: When exactly did you get it? Beginning of Night One? Beginning of Day Two? 'Cause what I'm thinking is that somebody, like me acquiring the staff, might have had a Poke Ball they couldn't use and since you claimed Day One they used the opportunity to give you the Poke Ball in hopes you could use it. Beginning of Day Two. As for brokentree killing sinjin, I'm not sold. Obviously I suspected brokentree slightly since I used her as my guinea pig, but the death color states that sinjin was stabbed. Usually color is just for fun, but in my limited experience, if someone dies by means of a poison for example, death color doesn't give them a bullet in the head. I would assume that if the hammer played any role in sinjin's death, she would have a wound inflicted by a blunt object...though I don't know if all mods follow this. The only reason I'm thinking along these lines is that if I chose to kill with Ivysaur, there would be scattered seeds, so I guess I'm assuming that the same would go for other killing roles. I do think it's ironic that she would target sinjin and then she would wind up dead the next day though.
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Feb 10, 2009 22:14:33 GMT -5
Post by roxis on Feb 10, 2009 22:14:33 GMT -5
In Roxis' case, though, I was told that I wouldn't be allowed to target her again. So, I'm guessing you weren't told that when you sidekicked whomever night 2? Because your explanation makes a lot of sense. I'd easily become overpowered if I kept accumulating Pokéballs. Heh.
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Feb 10, 2009 23:36:37 GMT -5
Post by Parzival on Feb 10, 2009 23:36:37 GMT -5
In Roxis' case, though, I was told that I wouldn't be allowed to target her again. So, I'm guessing you weren't told that when you sidekicked whomever night 2? Because your explanation makes a lot of sense. I'd easily become overpowered if I kept accumulating Pokéballs. Heh. Rysto's dead, so it wouldn't have made a difference (I mentioned him upthread). But since I received a PM about it after Night 1, I figured it was something out of the ordinary. Incidentally I didn't get the message until a few days into the Day, so it wasn't something I was wondering about right away.
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Feb 10, 2009 23:48:46 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Feb 10, 2009 23:48:46 GMT -5
Hey guys.
I need a sub for brokentree here.
Anyone know anyone who would be interested?:highlighted:
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Feb 11, 2009 0:18:32 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Feb 11, 2009 0:18:32 GMT -5
ATTENTION! paulwhoisaghost IS SUBBING IN FOR brokentree!:highlighted:
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Feb 11, 2009 0:29:56 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Feb 11, 2009 0:29:56 GMT -5
sigh I'm not quoting that whole thing but I'm going to respond to Natlaw more or less.
first the "To be honest" thing. Wow a piece of diction is a lie tell...
It's hinky when someone uses it and then says something self incriminating. The whole thing is important. I used it as a natural flow in the way I talk and it was followed by saying I didn't like what other people were doing. If anything it was the toning down of a criticism of others, because I don't like coming of as an ass.
The red flag is singling out a group of people as behaving in a scummy manner, then putting yourself into that group, bringing attention that fact and thereby both creating more surface validity for your argument and placing yourself in a "less scummy" position than the rest of them.
The words and phrases used to do that don't matter, it's the actual argument that was made that does.
You know what I really don't like, taking an argument, pulling out one phrase and calling it a tell while ignoring what the actual argument was.
Also tells. Scum tells is actually a pretty bad concept. It causes the searching for superficial statements instead of underlying arguments and strategies.
Another thing. The third vote doesn't matter except in the most extraordinary of circumstances. Maybe later it will and I'll pay more attention to it, but the third vote feels like a throwaway. It feels like less than an FOS and really I don't feel the need to justify it with anything more than my gut. I may never follow up on it again after I throw it up there. Who knows! I'm not loving this borda stuff. I can see it's advantages but I usually don't have three people I'm suspicious of at once. I like focusing on one or two at a time until I'm satisfied one way or another. Now though I have to justify a vote that I would never have made in the regular voting system or watch out! le sigh
so I have some more stuff on record
Vote 1: brokentree I'm doing this on principle. I don't have a good read on her and she wants a sub and she seems likely to be partially responsible for the death of a townie. I'm giving Chucaubby a pass on this because I have a threshold of one person and the sub out was earlier. My threshold says it is now too late for someone to be subbing especially after something as wonky as the activity today. Go ahead and call me a hypocrite anyway I'm used to the skimming/non-comprehending.
Vote 2: natlaw Call it OMGUS if you want, and it kind of is, but based on the argument not the vote. Natlaw could have made that exact argument conversationally without voting me yet and I'd still place a vote in the number 2 position. ( I view this as a strong FOS if anyone's confused) The vote is for the skimming of an argument I made for little bits, "useful" in gotcha! type activities, and ignoring/belittling the actual useful points. Also for crying out about an improperly justified third vote. These give me bad feels, however even with my personal ire being included they're still more anti-town behavior, than pro-scum, although it does sit on the border in my view, but part of that may be personal ire at people who mock an argument without bloody understanding it.
Vote 3: Nanook
Who cares why it's the third bloody vote and it doesn't really matter!
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Feb 11, 2009 0:31:59 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Feb 11, 2009 0:31:59 GMT -5
before I get mobbed I just want nanook to talk since he hasn't today and if it looks like that vote will matter I'll probably move it.
And if that's not enough for you, you're either scum or a prick, either way.
also, just incase
Vote 1: Paulwhoisabrokentree
making sure it counts.
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Feb 11, 2009 0:35:20 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Feb 11, 2009 0:35:20 GMT -5
I also have one more question for the people who have been buried. Does it just protect you? Can you still use the powers associated with your role? (if there are any powers...) This was the PM: Draw from that what you will. I read it as a protection of some sort, nothing else. And I'll try to get a vote in tomorrow, but toDay has been a hectic day at work. (I've now been her for over 17.5 hours.) At least I get to take tomorrow off.
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Day 3
Feb 11, 2009 0:41:27 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Feb 11, 2009 0:41:27 GMT -5
Votes: Player | Vote 1 | Vote 2 | Vote 3 | Natlaw | misterblocky | | | Pollux Oil | Chucara | | brokentree | crazypunker | paulwhoisaghost | | | misterblocky | paulwhoisaghost | Natlaw | Nanook |
Totals: Votee | Total | Voters (#1) | Voters (#2) | Voters (#3) | paulwhoisaghost | 7 (3) | crazypunker, misterblocky | | Pollux Oil | Chucara | 3 (0) | Pollux Oil | | | misterblocky | 3 (0) | Natlaw | | | Natlaw | 2 (2) | | misterblocky | | Nanook | 1 (1) | | | misterblocky |
Not Voting: Chucara, Hal Briston, Hoopy Frood, Kat, KidVermicious, Nanook, Parzival, TDPatriots, paulwhoisaghost, molefan, peekercpa, roxis, shaggy
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Feb 11, 2009 0:56:38 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Feb 11, 2009 0:56:38 GMT -5
I could buy that sinjin was killed by a vig Why do you think a vig would have taken out Sinjin as opposed to one of the other two?
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Feb 11, 2009 1:02:42 GMT -5
Post by harmless little bunny on Feb 11, 2009 1:02:42 GMT -5
ATTENTION! paulwhoisaghost IS SUBBING IN FOR brokentree! I asked Brokentree why he targeted Sinjin. I can't really ask his sub to do the same because he wouldn't know why Brokentree would do anything, but my suspicion remains for the reasons listed. :highlighted:
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Feb 11, 2009 1:03:18 GMT -5
Post by harmless little bunny on Feb 11, 2009 1:03:18 GMT -5
uh... oops. I didn't mean to highlight that. Sorry.
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Feb 11, 2009 1:26:40 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Feb 11, 2009 1:26:40 GMT -5
Okay... not exactly the best time to be subbing in for someone, but here we go.. brings up a few questions. If the hammer killed Sinjin with a 6 then I get the feeling that it is meant to be pointed at the enemy, not the town. I tend to think of a hammer as a weapon anyways, so I am not sure I would have used it like that. Did you suspect Sinjin of anything or were you testing your hammer's powers? I am a little bit suspicious about somebody pointing a hammer that they don't have a clue about at a random player. If Brokentree is a scum then she could have lied about not know what the hammer does. for right now I will vote Brokentree 1 If you can explain why you pointed the hammer at Sinjin I will consider revising my vote. ***snipped*** I can't speak for the motives of Brokentree but I can say that I find it odd that the color said Sinjin died with a knife in him if it was truly the effect of the Hammer of Judement. Now... God only knows why Brokentree revealed her power without being asked to do so. But since Blockey outed who my character is and the page listed shows all of my powers in SSBM, I might a well post my Role PM. Other logical resons for role claiming: 1. My power is already public knowledge, and trying to pretend like I have more power than I do can only result in increasing Scum's desire to NK me. 2. It contains one piece of info that may or may not save me... as it is, I figure you may actually find it as more of a liability. And since no one has any good suggestions for who is scum and needs to be lynched, I may end up being lynched do to this liability 3. If I don't post it, I'm going to end up lynched anyway. So..... Role PM to follow.
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Feb 11, 2009 1:27:57 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Feb 11, 2009 1:27:57 GMT -5
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Feb 11, 2009 2:00:32 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Feb 11, 2009 2:00:32 GMT -5
ummm just to be clear... the day ends in less than 24 hours right?
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Feb 11, 2009 2:52:40 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Feb 11, 2009 2:52:40 GMT -5
So after rereading everyone's posts over day 2 and day 3 I have come to a standstill. All I can figure out is that I don't like the way Natlaw goes out of his way to make Blockey look bad here in reply #85. (sorry I am still getting the hang of linking things) psychopathgame.proboards106.com/index.cgi?board=smashing&action=display&thread=755&page=3He even said that he was going to "start with misterblockey" Then all he did was bash on Blockey by blowing a whole lot of nothing way out of proportion. He hasn't even posted since his malicious attack. I find that a little suspicious. And since I have no one else to vote, Vote #1 NatlawVote #2 ChucaraBecause H00py makes a good point here: I could buy that sinjin was killed by a vig Why do you think a vig would have taken out Sinjin as opposed to one of the other two? I dont think you are scum, but a I think that Pedescribe would be very clear about his color... and usually Mods have Vigs use guns. (I could be wrong here but most games I have read and all I have read about roles has proven this to be true.) SKs on the other hand use knives. I know that if I was an SK I would want to skew the public's view of what happened as much as possible. Pointing out that you "could buy that Sinjin was killed by a vig" could be your way of undermining the possibility that he was killed by an SK. Of course, it could just be you thinking out loud without any hidden agenda at all. But at this point I'm grasping at straws. Vote #3 PedescribeBecause being the mod is a scum tell.
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Feb 11, 2009 2:59:03 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Feb 11, 2009 2:59:03 GMT -5
Read over my post and decided I find my own case against Chucara is a better one than my case against Natlaw.
So....
Unvote All
Vote #1 Chucara
Vote #2 Natlaw
Vote #3 Pedescribe Aka Mr. Scumtastic
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Feb 11, 2009 5:23:46 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Feb 11, 2009 5:23:46 GMT -5
I could buy that sinjin was killed by a vig Why do you think a vig would have taken out Sinjin as opposed to one of the other two? Maybe I'm colored by my suspiscions from sinjin, but of those dead, she was the most scummy. (Turns out that I was wrong, but at that point, she was) Pollux: Can you please elaborate your case against me? I feel the case against me is pretty weak, but then again, I don't really have any fantastic candidates. I will place a partial vote for now (remembering that my vote doesn't count: vote 1: paulwhoisaghost / brokentreeIt may be metagaming, but the subbing is pretty bad timing. More importantly, swinging the hammer at random is at least semi-anti-town to me. vote 2: ParzivalAppeared to be setting up a vote earlier. (I have my notes at home, and I'm at work now, so I'll have to get back to this one later) vote 3: crazypunkerOne part placeholder, one part gut feeling.
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Feb 11, 2009 6:12:52 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Feb 11, 2009 6:12:52 GMT -5
I dunno if I will be on again before this day ends, so I'll finalize my votes now.
Vote #1 Chucara
Vote #2 Natlaw
Vote #3 Misterblockey Strictly to fill the spot
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