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Day 3
Feb 11, 2009 6:19:24 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Feb 11, 2009 6:19:24 GMT -5
vote 1: paulwhoisaghost / brokentreeIt may be metagaming, but the subbing is pretty bad timing. More importantly, swinging the hammer at random is at least semi-anti-town to me. Did you read my Role PM? Brokentree didnt have a choice in the matter. She had to swing the hammer. How she decided on who to use it on I don't know. The fact of the matter is, none of us have figured out exactly what the hammer does.
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Feb 11, 2009 6:42:02 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Feb 11, 2009 6:42:02 GMT -5
Then all he did was bash on Blockey by blowing a whole lot of nothing way out of proportion. He hasn't even posted since his malicious attack. I find that a little suspicious. And since I have no one else to vote, For your information, I'm posting from Europe, GMT+1, and my vote post was the last one I made before going to bed. My line 'I'm going to start with misterblockey' was meant in the sense of starting the voting Today, hoping to avoid just a last minute revote of the second votes of Day Two. Also for crying out about an improperly justified third vote. These give me bad feels, however even with my personal ire being included they're still more anti-town behavior, than pro-scum, although it does sit on the border in my view, but part of that may be personal ire at people who mock an argument without bloody understanding it.If anything the 'I'll be honest' thing was a mock of whoever brought it up (molefan?), my reason for quote was that while your post isn't wrong, you don't come with you own analysis. In stronger words: you are smudging the people looking at the masons votes, while conveniently staying clear yourself. Your third vote still is improperly justified, as you didn't feel it important even to share what made roxis appear on you scumdar. It's fine if you don't like borda style voting, but it's also fine for me to point out you are dodging the benefits. Especially Day Two where the first vote of everyone was useless in determining alignment. Even if you limit yourself to only voting 'for real' for one person, that would have been your tdpatriots vote (or was it Ed and you decided not to do contribute Day Two?). Surely you could make a better case for someone than lynch the lurker? Don't answer that, you already did: The red flag is singling out a group of people as behaving in a scummy manner, then putting yourself into that group, bringing attention that fact and thereby both creating more surface validity for your argument and placing yourself in a "less scummy" position than the rest of them. So why vote a lurker and someone who is only pinging you a bit over Hal Briston and peekercpa who you find doing scummy enough things to make a post about it? Maybe I'm over analyzing your Day Two vote too much, but you also voted for players already voted for by someone else. And your defense is a large part about the 'I'll be honest' thing I threw in as a joke (with smiley to make that clear). And can people please tell what pings them about roxis? I know that the powers don't say anything about alignment, but if you think she is a SCUM power role, shouldn't we lynch her instead of 3rd vote FoSes all over the place? I'm also getting the slightest ping of an eyebrow raise off of roxis. It very well may be nothing, but I'll toss my next-to-nothing vote their way. 3. Vote roxisIt's a one third of the first vote, not next-to-nothing. Am I attaching to much value to it? Maybe we all should vote ourselves third to make it clear we don't mean anything by it? Last question is rhetorical, we shouldn't do it in my opinion, but should give a clear reason why you are placing the third vote like you do.
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Day 3
Feb 11, 2009 6:54:34 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Feb 11, 2009 6:54:34 GMT -5
I for one am against voting for Roxis. The way I see it, she may not be confirmed town, but she has a power role and could be town. I on the other had am confirmed town but have a role that is somewhat of a liability. So if it is a choice between me or or Roxis, then barring any new evidence against her I would say it would be in the town's favor to let me swing. The odds of her being town are much better than the odds of me not accidentally killing a town tonight when I have to swing the hammer again. Especially when we have no idea who the scum are and are resorting to voting for people based on an analysis of a Day 2 vote where the only real info to gather is in their second and third choice.
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Feb 11, 2009 6:55:32 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Feb 11, 2009 6:55:32 GMT -5
vote 1: paulwhoisaghost / brokentreeIt may be metagaming, but the subbing is pretty bad timing. More importantly, swinging the hammer at random is at least semi-anti-town to me. Did you read my Role PM? Brokentree didnt have a choice in the matter. She had to swing the hammer. How she decided on who to use it on I don't know. The fact of the matter is, none of us have figured out exactly what the hammer does. Hm.. I'll consider this a bit more once I have time. My (non-counting)vote stays for now. I'll just add before a train starts on me that I have a atleast semi-confirmable pro-town role if I ever get out of this egg.
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Feb 11, 2009 7:46:32 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Feb 11, 2009 7:46:32 GMT -5
Votes: Player | Vote 1 | Vote 2 | Vote 3 | Natlaw | misterblocky | | | Pollux Oil | Chucara | | brokentree | crazypunker | paulwhoisaghost | | | misterblocky | paulwhoisaghost | Natlaw | Nanook |
Totals: Votee | Total | Voters (#1) | Voters (#2) | Voters (#3) | paulwhoisaghost | 7 (3) | crazypunker, misterblocky | | Pollux Oil | Chucara | 3 (0) | Pollux Oil | | | misterblocky | 3 (0) | Natlaw | | | Natlaw | 2 (2) | | misterblocky | | Nanook | 1 (1) | | | misterblocky |
Not Voting: Chucara, Hal Briston, Hoopy Frood, Kat, KidVermicious, Nanook, Parzival, TDPatriots, brokentree, molefan, peekercpa, roxis, shaggy
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Day 3
Feb 11, 2009 7:47:24 GMT -5
Post by harmless little bunny on Feb 11, 2009 7:47:24 GMT -5
Did you read my Role PM? Brokentree didnt have a choice in the matter. She had to swing the hammer. How she decided on who to use it on I don't know. The fact of the matter is, none of us have figured out exactly what the hammer does. Hm.. I'll consider this a bit more once I have time. My (non-counting)vote stays for now. I'll just add before a train starts on me that I have a atleast semi-confirmable pro-town role if I ever get out of this egg. I thought the egg only restricted your voting. Does it have other restrictions as well?
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Feb 11, 2009 7:58:38 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Feb 11, 2009 7:58:38 GMT -5
Hm.. I'll consider this a bit more once I have time. My (non-counting)vote stays for now. I'll just add before a train starts on me that I have a atleast semi-confirmable pro-town role if I ever get out of this egg. I thought the egg only restricted your voting. Does it have other restrictions as well? My voting and my powers. I am currently just a vanilla townie without the ability to vote
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Feb 11, 2009 8:13:37 GMT -5
Post by Hal Briston on Feb 11, 2009 8:13:37 GMT -5
Welcome to the game, paulwhoisaghost! Vote 1: paulwhoisaghostThe timing may be lousy, but in the middle of the night I decided to put my #1 vote back on brokentree. It occurred to me that this is an item that would be much better served in the hands of scum. If you read the list of its Brawl powers, you can make a pretty good guess as to what most of the effects would probably be here -- killing, chance of killing, role blocking, etc. About the only one I have no idea about is #7, in which case you apparently get an apple. Anyway, in the hands of town (especially town who is compelled to use it), this thing is a fricking deathtrap -- it simply is a crazy-dangerous thing for town to have to be using. On the other hand, it would be a wonderful thing to have from the scum perspective, wouldn't it? They know who they can target, so I'm thinking it much more likely that it would be in scum's hands (or an outside chance of a PFK, as well).
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Day 3
Feb 11, 2009 9:23:16 GMT -5
Post by roxis on Feb 11, 2009 9:23:16 GMT -5
Unfortunately, paulwhoisaghost, you can't vote. It's been mentioned several times on page 3. My fault entirely. Okay, because I'm not sure I'll be on again today, I'm going to vote. Vote 1 paulwhoisaghostI'm not convinced you killed sinjin, and I would really imagine that you're more likely town or a third-party than scum, but no matter what, if you have to swing that hammer, you're right. It's a liability. I semi-suspected brokentree yesterDay (I was just too lazy to unvote Senor Pollux Hotpants Oil : , and even went so far as to sick my mystery Pokémon upon her. Even if you are town, if you hit someone with a 9, they're dead, unless they're a "heavy" character, which I assume would be Bowser or Donkey Kong? Vote 2 shaggyRgh. I had a hard time deciding on a #2 vote. You've been away for most of the day, so I didn't have much to go on, but I just haven't felt as though you're playing like you do when you're town. Granted I've only known you for one game, but I dunno. You're not being lynched, just more of an FOS. And I still am wary about what happened Day 1. Vote 3 NanookPrompting vote. Has he posted at all today?
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Day 3
Feb 11, 2009 10:03:17 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Feb 11, 2009 10:03:17 GMT -5
Votes: Player | Vote 1 | Vote 2 | Vote 3 | Hal Briston | paulwhoisaghost | | | Natlaw | misterblocky | | | Pollux Oil | Chucara | | paulwhoisaghost | crazypunker | paulwhoisaghost | | | misterblocky | paulwhoisaghost | Natlaw | Nanook | roxis | paulwhoisaghost | shaggy | Nanook |
Totals: Votee | Total | Voters (#1) | Voters (#2) | Voters (#3) | paulwhoisaghost | 13 (6) | Hal Briston, crazypunker, misterblocky, roxis | | Pollux Oil | Chucara | 3 (0) | Pollux Oil | | | misterblocky | 3 (0) | Natlaw | | | shaggy | 2 (2) | | roxis | | Natlaw | 2 (2) | | misterblocky | | Nanook | 2 (2) | | | misterblocky, roxis |
Not Voting: Chucara, Hoopy Frood, Kat, KidVermicious, Nanook, Parzival, TDPatriots, paulwhoisaghost, molefan, peekercpa, shaggy --FCOD
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Day 3
Feb 11, 2009 11:03:56 GMT -5
Post by roxis on Feb 11, 2009 11:03:56 GMT -5
paulwhoisaghost's votes shouldn't be counting, FCOD.
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Feb 11, 2009 11:06:40 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Feb 11, 2009 11:06:40 GMT -5
paulwhoisaghost's votes shouldn't be counting, FCOD. I have no idea what you're talking about. --FCOD
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Day 3
Feb 11, 2009 11:20:38 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Feb 11, 2009 11:20:38 GMT -5
Morning all.
17 hours and 45 minutes of work (not counting two lunch breaks) in one day is a lot. It's what happens when you get to work at 6:00 AM on a typical day (I do it mainly to avoid traffic) without knowing until you got to work that you have to stick around to do support over the phone for the program you're on with coworkers of yours who are currently working in the UAE (one's a Program Manger, the other's a system engineer). Yes, as in 10 hours ahead of your time UAE. As in we don't get on the base there until 8 AM (10 PM your time) UAE and probably won't call you until closer to 9 AM (11 PM your time) UAE. I spent more time at work yesterday (18:45) then I am usually awake in a typical day.
At least I got to take today off. And I scored brownie points with the Program Manager, never a bad thing.
Votes to come shortly.
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Feb 11, 2009 11:27:26 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Feb 11, 2009 11:27:26 GMT -5
paulwhoisaghost's votes shouldn't be counting, FCOD. I have no idea what you're talking about. Maybe he meant Chucara, currently residing in an egg?
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Day 3
Feb 11, 2009 11:41:19 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Feb 11, 2009 11:41:19 GMT -5
Ok, you guys...you have to stop pointing out my mistakes.
It makes me look bad ;D
--FCOD
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Feb 11, 2009 11:48:17 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 11, 2009 11:48:17 GMT -5
My top suspicions have changed slightly, but my #1 remains the same.
Aubby was a shoo-in for my #4 vote if I had one yesterday. Today I'm keeping an open mind. If he was that frustrated with the way things were going, it suggests that either his fellow scum had decided to bus him (which could be the case) or that he's out on his own without support (in which case he can't be scum). I still think there were good points made against him by people like Hoopy but I'm bearing in mind that indefiniteness =/= scum.
Tree / Paul - he's smack in the middle of my suspicious early Zeriel votors on Day 1, the others being Aubby, KidV and Hal. He seems to have a role that's two-sided at best, even if true (and I have no problems with believing he has the item he says he has, it's not gone counterclaimed. It's whether or not it's actually a town role that I'm doubting right now.) There are others I'd rather see lynched on the grounds of scumminess, but Paul is a "safe" suspect to lynch. At worst we're taking out a potentially harmful role.
OK, Nanook. He's barely posted, and when he has posted, I can't find anything in them that tells me where he stands (and this still smacks me as being deliberate on his part). Nor does anything he's posted convince me that he's trying to help the town. He's not defended himself, and nobody else seems to have taken any notice of my Day 2 vote. This in itself looks like there are people who don't want to draw attention to it.
On KidV, I doubt we're going to agree now (in point of fact we've been disagreeing with each other since the first few posts of day 1). I give him some credit for defending himself (although I don't like how he's done it), and I can't see any suggestion that he's being backed up by other scum (like the anti-mason case I correctly called out Darth and BlaM for in "Arkham Nights" for example). He's not in any danger of being lynched so consider my vote a continued FoS / placeholder.
Blockey, I have no idea whether what he's done is scummy of him or not. I haven't seen him play enough to get a "read" on him, and I don't see anything conclusive one way or the other here. I don't think he's being deliberately obscure about where he stands. And Natlaw, I've agreed with most of what he said except for his Blockey case.
I've not seen anything to cause me to seriously revise my opinions on anyone else. This day has been annoyingly light on usable info. Considering how many people were singing a hymn to the importance of sharing information at the beginning of day two, it's frustrating to see some of those same people not contribute a thing now that we have a free lynch and their own necks might be on the block. This isn't necessarily scummy, it's just really anti-town.
One other observation. I count five people who've now posted in the main thread that they may be or will be away. Do you guys have some kind of public holiday that I'm not aware of? If so, maybe we should consider postponing this game for a few days until they come back?
Vote 1 (three votes): Nanook. Vote 2 (two votes): Paulwhoisaghost. Vote 3 (one vote): Kid Vermicious.
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Feb 11, 2009 11:48:17 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Feb 11, 2009 11:48:17 GMT -5
I have no idea what you're talking about. Maybe he meant Chucara, currently residing in an egg? No, she didn't, but there seems to be a bit of confusion on everyone's parts except for the mod. brokentree was told she couldn't vote according to this post: psychopathgame.proboards106.com/index.cgi?board=smashing&action=display&thread=755&page=3#40868roxis thinks it's her fault due to her throwing Snorlax out against brokentree last night. Parzival targeted roxis night 1, so the conclusion that has been come to (asssuming both are telling the truth about their powers) is that the extra pokeball was a result of Parzival's night one action. roxis does not know specifically what Snorlax does, though. paul apparently hasn't realized that brokentree said she can't vote since he's voted without mention of this fact. (Compare this to chucara who said his votes, like aubby's before him, are who he would be voting for if his vote counted.) roxis sees what she thinks are paul's votes in the vote count, but misses that they are actually a list of everyone who's voting for paul. paul's votes are not registering, so the mod is correct in what he said. The top grid lists the voters and the order of the people they are voting for. The bottom grid lists the votees and the order of the people who are voting for them. paul does not show up in the top grid (hence, his votes aren't counting), but he does show up in the bottom (in first place, even without partial votes).
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Feb 11, 2009 11:50:18 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Feb 11, 2009 11:50:18 GMT -5
NETA: And curses to the mod for editing his post right before I posted this one so apparently he did make a mistake and I didn't see it (he had yet to post his "my bad" post).
So roxis wasn't confused, the mod was.
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Day 3
Feb 11, 2009 12:37:54 GMT -5
Post by roxis on Feb 11, 2009 12:37:54 GMT -5
No, I know what Snorlax does now. And, I definitely am why paul can't vote. It was explicitly told to me at the beginning of Day 3.
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Feb 11, 2009 12:38:40 GMT -5
Post by Parzival on Feb 11, 2009 12:38:40 GMT -5
I'll mention for the record that I didn't receive any message regarding the judgement hammer that was pointed at me, but then it was a '1' so that's not terribly surprising.
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Day 3
Feb 11, 2009 13:00:11 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Feb 11, 2009 13:00:11 GMT -5
Time to vote:
1. Chucara 2. Shaggy 3. paulwhoisaghost [/color]
1. For all the reasons I've given in the past for aubby. I haven't seen much to change my opinion on that. And I don't agree that Sinjin seemed scummy so that's why a vig would have targeted her. Unless it was a compulsory thing, but even still, there were others that fell under general suspicion much more than she did. The only thing people could point to her scumminess was that she was being a bit hard-ass. Forcefulness is a null tell, and she didn't even pick up many votes for it. I remember parzival voted for her on Day 1, but admitted it was weak. I know she and aubby got into it, but aubby never voted her. It would be a horrible play for a vig unless a vig decided to act solo, which in borda count is a bad thing. Heck, borda count is one of the best tools for a vig. Really vigging Sinjin would be dumb, without the vig knowing any more than the rest of us do, and even if she was dead scum I still would feel that way.
2 and 3 are much harder. I don't feel as strongly about them as aubby. I've given the reasons I suspected shaggy. While looking back, my view of his scumminess has lessened a bit, I'm still rubbed the wrong way by his voting zeriel for voting only one mason thing. First of all, it was a bad reason to vote in of itself. Second of all, you shouldn't vote people for doing what you yourself and many others are doing. And he did list it as his second reason, even if his reasons were in no particular order.
paulwhoisaghost. For having a mechanic that could quite possibly kill us, and one that so far has been used badly if it can. If he's a compulsory vig of sorts, the attack on Sinjin was bad. Unfortunately, it's not his fault that brokentree chose poorly in this case. But I really don't have a better 3rd choice.
But from a metagame view, borda count works great for compulsory vigs. It gives them a wonderful way to take out those who the game finds second most suspicious. If you happen to live through toDay, I highly suggest you start using your hammer this way. Becuase without knowing what it does, it's the safest use.
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Feb 11, 2009 13:03:59 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Feb 11, 2009 13:03:59 GMT -5
Hoopy: Do you mind elaborating why you're voting for me? I certaintly think aubby made some mistakes, but do you really believe that scum would be stupid enough to vote for every mason except the scum ones? Second, why is it scummy that I thought sinjin was scum? Or that she was a likely target for a vig?
Making mistakes != scum
I will claim if the votes keep gathering, but for now, I'd rather keep scum guessing as to my role.
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Feb 11, 2009 15:17:49 GMT -5
Post by Hal Briston on Feb 11, 2009 15:17:49 GMT -5
Ok, don't want to be left hanging, so it's time to get these all in:
Vote 1: paulwhoisaghost -- Reiteration vote. Vote 2: Nanook -- I don't have a big problem with low participation, if it's for a reason. If you're a vanilla townie with no one standing out to you, I can see being frustrated and not talking much. Personally, I'd rather see you try and bait scum into nightkilling you, but that's not always an easy thing to do without messing with town as well. What I don't like is total non-participation. Nanook has been logged in -- as recently as this afternoon -- but hasn't said a damn thing in a week, real-time. Unacceptable. Vote 3: Hal Briston -- Placeholder vote.
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Feb 11, 2009 15:19:12 GMT -5
Post by harmless little bunny on Feb 11, 2009 15:19:12 GMT -5
I want to complete my votes. They may change, but I want them to count for now.
I am voting Nanook 2 for not posting
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vote Chucara 3 for my suspicions of Aubby/placeholder vote.
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Day 3
Feb 11, 2009 15:24:20 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Feb 11, 2009 15:24:20 GMT -5
Votes: Player | Vote 1 | Vote 2 | Vote 3 | Hal Briston | paulwhoisaghost | Nanook | Hal Briston | Hoopy Frood | Chucara | shaggy | paulwhoisaghost | Natlaw | misterblocky | | | Pollux Oil | Chucara | | paulwhoisaghost | crazypunker | paulwhoisaghost | Nanook | Chucara | misterblocky | paulwhoisaghost | Natlaw | Nanook | molefan | Nanook | paulwhoisaghost | KidVermicious | roxis | paulwhoisaghost | shaggy | Nanook |
Totals: Votee | Total | Voters (#1) | Voters (#2) | Voters (#3) | paulwhoisaghost | 16 (15) | Hal Briston, crazypunker, misterblocky, roxis | molefan | Hoopy Frood, Pollux Oil | Nanook | 9 (9) | molefan | Hal Briston, crazypunker | misterblocky, roxis | Chucara | 7 (4) | Hoopy Frood, Pollux Oil | | crazypunker | shaggy | 4 (4) | | Hoopy Frood, roxis | | misterblocky | 3 (0) | Natlaw | | | Natlaw | 2 (2) | | misterblocky | | KidVermicious | 1 (1) | | | molefan | Hal Briston | 1 (1) | | | Hal Briston |
Not Voting: Kat, KidVermicious, Nanook, Parzival, TDPatriots, peekercpa, shaggy --FCOD
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Feb 11, 2009 15:25:41 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Feb 11, 2009 15:25:41 GMT -5
Well, Paul, that is a stinky role to get. Also, it would be an easy pm to change the wording from just scum to town.
I don't get how the timing of the sub is metagamy bad.
Vote 1: Paul Vote 2: Chucara Vote 3: me
The last one is a placeholder.
I wanted to honor my commitment to get in a vote by the end of the day. Things should loosen up on Friday for me.
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Feb 11, 2009 15:29:05 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Feb 11, 2009 15:29:05 GMT -5
Votes: Player | Vote 1 | Vote 2 | Vote 3 | Hal Briston | paulwhoisaghost | Nanook | Hal Briston | Hoopy Frood | Chucara | shaggy | paulwhoisaghost | Natlaw | misterblocky | | | Pollux Oil | Chucara | | paulwhoisaghost | crazypunker | paulwhoisaghost | Nanook | Chucara | misterblocky | paulwhoisaghost | Natlaw | Nanook | molefan | Nanook | paulwhoisaghost | KidVermicious | peekercpa | paulwhoisaghost | Chucara | peekercpa | roxis | paulwhoisaghost | shaggy | Nanook |
Totals: Votee | Total | Voters (#1) | Voters (#2) | Voters (#3) | paulwhoisaghost | 19 (18) | Hal Briston, crazypunker, misterblocky, peekercpa, roxis | molefan | Hoopy Frood, Pollux Oil | Nanook | 9 (9) | molefan | Hal Briston, crazypunker | misterblocky, roxis | Chucara | 9 (6) | Hoopy Frood, Pollux Oil | peekercpa | crazypunker | shaggy | 4 (4) | | Hoopy Frood, roxis | | misterblocky | 3 (0) | Natlaw | | | Natlaw | 2 (2) | | misterblocky | | peekercpa | 1 (1) | | | peekercpa | KidVermicious | 1 (1) | | | molefan | Hal Briston | 1 (1) | | | Hal Briston |
Not Voting: Chucara, Kat, KidVermicious, Nanook, Parzival, TDPatriots, paulwhoisaghost, shaggy
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Feb 11, 2009 16:41:44 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on Feb 11, 2009 16:41:44 GMT -5
I suppose now is a good time for a small claim, since people have noticed that I've been purposefully lurking this game. I have a post restriction. I can make no more than 5 posts per die. Any more than that, and I die. It's made me be much more deliberate in my posting. I've been trying to make big posts responding to as much as possible in one go so that I can conserve my posts as necessary. Speaking of which, here comes one now. I have no idea what to make of Pollux and his magical staff, or the fact that TD took it. It doesn't make sense to give an item that someone in game wants to someone that isn't in the game, on the offchance that yet another person gets lucky and finds it. When Idle did it in the last game, it made sense both from a color standpoint and from a game standpoint. Though to be fair, I'm probably at least partially at a loss here because of my lack of familiarity with SSB. I think people are getting distracted a little bit by the color. How someone dies, other than being told it was trophyied, doesn't necessarily mean anything one way or another. At this point I'm guessing trophying is either a scum or SK power. It's possible it's some sort of vig thing, but in that case trophying Rysto makes no sense. Unless Pleo is the Vig. (Much <3 Pleo Man, reading back over this thread really makes me feel like it's almost Day 1 again, only with less people. Masongate 2, Electric Boogaloo, really dominated the game before Today. Regarding the Zeriel/Ed Day 1 order, it's a null tell to me. Scum very rarely clumps, especially early in the game. (Note rarely, not never. I know better than that having played this game as much as I have ) I would expect the scum to be split up to some extent between the two. It's good to hear that there's at least one protective role still alive, if Hoopy and Roxis are any indication. Hoopy, I can't imagine that the eggifying will be permanent. Not being able to vote is a major restriction. And if Sach was the one that did it, which seems likely, and he had survived for even 1 or 2 more days, that would be a LOT of people unable to vote. Too overpowering. I will concede that it's possible that since he died it won't break, but I'm more willing to bet on it breaking at some point soon. I think it's vaguely funny that you claim the role Coroner. Not because I don't believe you(I semi-do. I reserve the right to change my mind though), but because when I see that role name I can't help but flash back to Conspiracy. The coroner in that game was very strong. Your claim as it is now? Not so much. I find that funny for some reason. Maybe I'm just weird. Do you miss my dungeon Hoopy? It just hasn't been the same without you. Regarding Brokentree's bonus votes, pede has used a role that could do that before. In Terminator, Sarah Connor could give extra points, either positive or negative, to someone as a Night action. It seems likely that he reused the concept, especially since it works fairly well with Borda Count. I have to agree with Blockey. It's nice and all when we find a scum tell, but worrying too much about it makes for lazy town and easy wins for scum. The evil dead game that just ended was won because of solid play by town, not by nitpicking scum tells, typos or the like. Hell, that sort of scum tell hunt almost pushed the game the OTHER way, with people getting distracted from lynching the last scum because of an extraneous line in a role PM. On the other hand, I disagree with him vehemently regarding not having to justify the third vote. Look at the terminator game, third votes very much matter. Not even pretending to justify it and shrugging it off as if it's nothing is a very, very anti-town move. Molefan, I disagree entirely with your assessment. I've been very clear in how I stand, and I've voted accordingly. I'll be doing so again near the end of this post. And now I'm scum because I didn't defend myself? Bwuh? That argument doesn't even make sense. I'm not even sure what I was supposed to be defending myself against(before now at least). I hope that my comment above was a good enough reason for low participation for you Hal. Now that I've covered everything struck my eye for the Day, I'd like to make a general comment. I'm getting really tired of the lurker comments that keep getting thrown at me. Obviously in this game they are justified, but I have a reason for it here. I don't deny that I post less than others, but I don't see how this is a post count contest. I would wager one of my posts has more substance than most people put out in 5. I also try not to fluff, which inflates post counts for others. Can we please back off a little? It gets frustrating. With that out of the way, I'm going to vote. 1. Vote Chuacara(Aubby) 2. Shaggy 3. Misterblockey[/color] 1 and 2 I've already expanded on previously. Nothing I've seen Today has changed my mind. Number 3 was a bit of a toss up, between blockey and molefan. Both are pinging me some, but I went with blockey because I'm not sure I trust myself when it comes to Molefan. Every game I've played with him I've thought he was scum, and only once was I right. Blockey wins out also because his comment regarding third votes is one of the most anti-town things I think I've ever seen.
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Day 3
Feb 11, 2009 16:57:59 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Feb 11, 2009 16:57:59 GMT -5
It's kind of annoying that everyone who votes for me simply something to the tune of for reasons already explained. I can't really argue against any of you here. If it is something aubby did, then I can't really explain her reasons, but otherwise I'd prefer the chance to speak my own case.
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Day 3
Feb 11, 2009 17:30:24 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Feb 11, 2009 17:30:24 GMT -5
It's good to hear that there's at least one protective role still alive, if Hoopy and Roxis are any indication. Actually, I wouldn't count that for much. Based on the "shield" mention in both Sinjin's death color and my protection PM, it's quite possible Sinjin protected us both and we got two different PM's in how it worked. However.... Since Parzival claims he targeted roxis night 1, and roxis claims she got a new pokemon night 1, if Sinjin had targeted roxis, roxis would not have received any benefit from Parzival due to the nature of Sinjin's power. So something doesn't quite gel here if we go with Sinjin targeting us both and assume that everyone is telling the truth.
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