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Day 3
Feb 11, 2009 17:31:48 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Feb 11, 2009 17:31:48 GMT -5
NETA: And FTR, the only thing I know of happening to me night 2 was the shield-shaped dirt nap.
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Feb 11, 2009 17:48:50 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Feb 11, 2009 17:48:50 GMT -5
I have a post restriction. I can make no more than 5 posts per die. Any more than that, and I die. And here I was going to vote for you to fill out my vote, but your posts do have content. Though you are hardly pushing your five post limit, no reason to vote now. Of the other not yet voters, I think most are away. Chucara: no you can't really explain what aubby meant when she posted, but we can't give you a clean slate either. The only thing I can think to help would be to claim (but looks like you won't be lynched, so no need) or to find a better target and argue to lynch him. And this isn't it. I don't think the swing at sinjin was that random (he did stick out Day Two), though it obviously turned out to be a bad one (if the hammer attack was the cause of death, of course). Not sure if a compulsive, weak vigilante is bad for town, for the same reason a SK might not be bad (bigger chance to hit town, but when hitting scum it hits harder because there are less of them). For my remaining votes, I'm going back to my masons vote analysis: right after Zeriel outed them, the first first votes where for MiteyMouse. Since scum would want special ed to survive as long as possible, it's not unlikely they capitalized on Zeriels attack on MM and tried to build that wagon. KidVermicious, Kat! and molefan1981 voted MM first without waiting for her response. Kat voted a single mason, but also posted reasons for her votes. molefan did it convoluted, but has explained since. Then again in his argument against KidV, he did use some weak reasons. 2. Double vote for molefan19813. Single vote for KidVermiciousSo I'm leaning more to molefan as the scummier of the two, based on the later discussion between them, but the votes are for the quick push of MM Day One. Of the other suspects, I think pauls unknown hammer effect is more likely town, since a SCUM could safely test it on town without worrying about killing a team mate. Shaggy looked mostly overly defensive and misunderstanding powers. Chucara I just don't know yet, most of aubbys Day Two responses seem to be from her frustration with the game. For the latter two I didn't yet look back at the Day One reasons (busy reading the Evil Dead spoiler board ).
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Feb 11, 2009 17:55:02 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Feb 11, 2009 17:55:02 GMT -5
Votes: Player | Vote 1 | Vote 2 | Vote 3 | Chucara | Chucara | shaggy | misterblocky | Hal Briston | paulwhoisaghost | Nanook | Hal Briston | Hoopy Frood | Chucara | shaggy | paulwhoisaghost | Natlaw | misterblocky | molefan | KidVermicious | Pollux Oil | Chucara | | paulwhoisaghost | crazypunker | paulwhoisaghost | Nanook | Chucara | misterblocky | paulwhoisaghost | Natlaw | Nanook | molefan | Nanook | paulwhoisaghost | KidVermicious | peekercpa | paulwhoisaghost | Chucara | peekercpa | roxis | paulwhoisaghost | shaggy | Nanook |
Totals: Votee | Total | Voters (#1) | Voters (#2) | Voters (#3) | paulwhoisaghost | 19 (18) | Hal Briston, crazypunker, misterblocky, peekercpa, roxis | molefan | Hoopy Frood, Pollux Oil | Chucara | 12 (9) | Chucara, Hoopy Frood, Pollux Oil | peekercpa | crazypunker | Nanook | 9 (9) | molefan | Hal Briston, crazypunker | misterblocky, roxis | shaggy | 6 (6) | | Chucara, Hoopy Frood, roxis | | misterblocky | 4 (4) | Natlaw | | Chucara | Natlaw | 2 (2) | | misterblocky | | KidVermicious | 2 (2) | | | Natlaw, molefan | molefan | 2 (2) | | Natlaw | | peekercpa | 1 (1) | | | peekercpa | Hal Briston | 1 (1) | | | Hal Briston |
Not Voting: Kat, KidVermicious, Nanook, Parzival, TDPatriots, paulwhoisaghost, shaggy
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Feb 11, 2009 18:00:58 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Feb 11, 2009 18:00:58 GMT -5
Uhm.. I'm voting for myself now?
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Feb 11, 2009 18:10:12 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Feb 11, 2009 18:10:12 GMT -5
Okay, a rehash of my aubby vote:
KidV pointed out how MiteyMouse on Day 1 had asked aubby why she only voted for two of the masons in the first two slots, and placed a placeholder vote (Koldanar) as her third. Aubby's response was:
So she really wants to vote Zeriel, but votes mitey as a weak vote, and then votes Koldanar as a placeholder. It seems very odd to do. Why didn't she vote Ed as a placeholder? Or vote two other placeholders? Or do the vote one mason and two other weaker votes? All would have made more sense than how she voted. And then once called on it, she unvotes mitey. Later, she wonders if Ed knew about scum being able to talk to the Day since apparently Zeriel didn't, and when Ed doesn't respond she uses that as a reason to move him as second and revote mitey, but this time as third. She also gave him a mere hour to respond to the question. One freaking real-time hour. That's less than 1% of a typical Day. At this point, Ed was in no risk of being lynched, so it's a nice safe vote. Another odd thing about this reasoning is that ped had said on post 2 of Day 1 that scum and masons could talk all the time. So Zeriel simply missed that point. Ed knowing that scum could talk said nothing about his alignment.
So we have a situation where the scum mason is the only one not originally voted for and then he's moved into a safe position after being called on not being voted for and the reason of the move is questionable. And this all went down Day 1, before the alignments were revealed. There's little pro-town reason for aubby doing what she did and a lot of pro-scum reason. And she was the only one to ever vote for only two masons. Everyone else voted for one or three. And the two masons she voted for were the townie ones.
That's why she gets my vote.
Note that her interchange with Sinjin seems like a largely null tell to me. Obviously if she's scum, she knew Sinjin wasn't, but taken in of itself, I don't see too much scum motivation there. I mean, she did FOS Ed, Sinjin, and Parzival (her equivalent of a vote, since she couldn't vote being in the egg, but I rather she would have voted anyway just so we can see her weighting of those who she suspects--like paul is doing), due to Parzival's bad vote reasoning and Sinjin's reactions. It does seem a bit odd to vote both of them unless you think they are on the same team, something she doesn't mention in her reasoning. She then defends her Sinjin FOS/vote for metagame reasons on Sinjin's behavior.
But her reaction to Sinjin's counterattack and defense seem pretty townie. It's an odd reason to sub out for being flustered if you're scum playing a failed gambit. Scum usually don't get flustered for failed gambits. Unless the flustering itself is an additional gambit, in which case we get into WIFOM territory. So while I do view that interchange as a bit townie leaning on the whole, it doesn't make up for the scummy Day 1 stuff.
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Feb 11, 2009 18:19:09 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Feb 11, 2009 18:19:09 GMT -5
Uhm.. I'm voting for myself now? Whoops, I screwed up. Votes: Player | Vote 1 | Vote 2 | Vote 3 | Hal Briston | paulwhoisaghost | Nanook | Hal Briston | Hoopy Frood | Chucara | shaggy | paulwhoisaghost | Nanook | Chucara | shaggy | misterblocky | Natlaw | misterblocky | molefan | KidVermicious | Pollux Oil | Chucara | | paulwhoisaghost | crazypunker | paulwhoisaghost | Nanook | Chucara | misterblocky | paulwhoisaghost | Natlaw | Nanook | molefan | Nanook | paulwhoisaghost | KidVermicious | peekercpa | paulwhoisaghost | Chucara | peekercpa | roxis | paulwhoisaghost | shaggy | Nanook |
Totals: Votee | Total | Voters (#1) | Voters (#2) | Voters (#3) | paulwhoisaghost | 19 (18) | Hal Briston, crazypunker, misterblocky, peekercpa, roxis | molefan | Hoopy Frood, Pollux Oil | Chucara | 12 (9) | Hoopy Frood, Nanook, Pollux Oil | peekercpa | crazypunker | Nanook | 9 (9) | molefan | Hal Briston, crazypunker | misterblocky, roxis | shaggy | 6 (6) | | Hoopy Frood, Nanook, roxis | | misterblocky | 4 (4) | Natlaw | | Nanook | Natlaw | 2 (2) | | misterblocky | | KidVermicious | 2 (2) | | | Natlaw, molefan | molefan | 2 (2) | | Natlaw | | peekercpa | 1 (1) | | | peekercpa | Hal Briston | 1 (1) | | | Hal Briston |
Not Voting: Chucara, Kat, KidVermicious, Parzival, TDPatriots, paulwhoisaghost, shaggy
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Feb 11, 2009 18:19:37 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Feb 11, 2009 18:19:37 GMT -5
And this isn't it. I don't think the swing at sinjin was that random (he did stick out Day Two), though it obviously turned out to be a bad one (if the hammer attack was the cause of death, of course). Sinjin's a she. But it was a horrible play. Sinjin stuck out mainly due to the interactions with aubby. The same aubby who was the number two candidate for lynch after Ed. For someone to target Sinjin instead of aubby makes no sense. Really, when you're a townie, and you don't know if your power can hurt or help your cause, don't use it without good reason. If you are compelled to use it, try not to shoot randomly. Borda count is the compulsory vigs best friend. (And serial killer who wants to make a vig claim, for that matter.) It tells you who town finds second most suspicious. For brokentree to choose Sinjin instead of aubby was bad if she's town. It's not even particularly good for a third party. And if aubby was really as scummy as she came across, it looks even worse.
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Day 3
Feb 11, 2009 18:37:37 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 11, 2009 18:37:37 GMT -5
So I'm leaning more to molefan as the scummier of the two, based on the later discussion between them, but the votes are for the quick push of MM Day One. Quick response to this point: I wanted to get the masons up, in any order, at that point. I wasn't pushing Mitey Mouse or anybody else then, and the only reason I went for her was because of what Zeriel and Special Ed had said about her reluctance to "out" the masons. Later on Mitey looked to be the strongest suspect anyway and there was no point in changing my vote. Hoopy: If Sinjin were your "protector", maybe she'd have breadcrumbed or dropped hints or something to let you know about it. Although I doubt it; a "mystical shield" doesn't sound like a hole in the ground to me, and I don't see why she would have protected her #1 suspect Roxis. Nanook: I'll reconsider based on what you've said. Your lack of reaction makes more sense if you have a post restriction, but I want to reread your posts first.
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Feb 11, 2009 19:12:42 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Feb 11, 2009 19:12:42 GMT -5
Hoopy: If Sinjin were your "protector", maybe she'd have breadcrumbed or dropped hints or something to let you know about it. Although I doubt it; a "mystical shield" doesn't sound like a hole in the ground to me, and I don't see why she would have protected her #1 suspect Roxis. You're right. I had totally forgotten that up until Roxis claim, Sinjin had voted for her. So it wouldn't be likely that she would lay her uberprotection on Roxis. This also would explain why Parzival's action would have gone through. So we might have someone else protecting others with dirt. But I have a feeling my protection came from Sinjin due to the commonality of the shield motif. I also find it interesting that no one else has come forth about being dirt shield protected. It's not a tell of anything, just an interesting point.
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Feb 11, 2009 19:26:11 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Feb 11, 2009 19:26:11 GMT -5
Sorry for being gone. I'm going to make one vote here, then do some rereading before I make my other two votes:
1) Vote paulisaghost
And I know paul is totally unable to explain the reasoning behind what is causing my vote, but I can't see brokentree being able to explain it adequately either. And it is that bt used her hammer with unknown effects on people that she was not suspicious of, and in fact, at one point she seemed to be defending sinjin (wishy-washily as it is). Based on the information that paul posted of what the hammer does in Brawl, the hammer's results are referred to as "attacks" which would make me infer (if it were my role) that it's likely to have harmful effects. A scum or a third-party player wouldn't have any issue with a random target, but a Town player should focus either on people that the Town thinks are suspicious or people that she thinks are suspicious for possibly-harmful results.
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Feb 11, 2009 19:40:41 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Feb 11, 2009 19:40:41 GMT -5
...and assume that everyone is telling the truth. <Snipped> This made me chuckle.
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Day 3
Feb 11, 2009 20:06:49 GMT -5
Post by shaggy on Feb 11, 2009 20:06:49 GMT -5
Well after rereading the last few days again, I think I will place my votes.
VOTE #1 misterblockey Partly cause I agree with netlaw's point's but also i want to add this from day one: Misterblocky:
So from this I gather you find the mason kerfuffle a success and almost sounds that you are happy with that. I find this very odd and very suspicious.
VOTE #2 hoopy For reasons I stated yesterday.
VOTE #3 shaggy This is a place holder vote. I was going to do a semi-place holder vote on nanook just cause the whole I can only talk 5 times in the day or die thing seems odd to me. Yes it can be true with his role, but at the same time I can not help but think it maybe a clever ploy to get away with being a lurker. Hence I am tempted to make it a number 3 vote, but for now I think I will hold off and see if anything comes to light that may change my mind.
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Day 3
Feb 11, 2009 20:20:28 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Feb 11, 2009 20:20:28 GMT -5
3. Unvote paulwhoisabrokentree
Something's not right here. I don't like it. On the one hand, I'm struggling to see how, if brokentree got the same PM that paul did, how she didn't figure the results of the hammer would be some sort of attack. Attacking both Parzival and sinjin is decidedly anti-town if she knew it would result in some sort of attack.
On the other hand, all the votes so far for paulwhoisabrokentree seem to be mostly based on the role claim itself. I was suspicious of brokentree Day One and Day Two, putting out reasons and suspicious behaviors. Nobody reacted to them at all. But the role claim comes out, and there's a pile of voters. I feel like something fishy's going on here.
I'd also like to take a look at the following:
On Day Two, here were the aubby and brokentree votes:
Aubby 2nd - brokentree, Hal Briston, Kat, Nanook, Parzival, me, roxis Aubby 3rd - crazypunker, Hoopy, KidV
brokentree 3rd - me, shaggy
Now everybody sans Parzival in that group has either semi-voted or said what their vote would be (KidV). Here's how it stacks up:
paulwhoisabrokentree 1st - Hal Briston, crazypunker, misterblockey, peekercpa, roxis paulwhoisabrokentree 2nd - molefan paulwhoisabrokentree 3rd - Hoopy, me
Chucaraubby 1st - Hoopy, Nanook, me Chucaraubby 2nd - peekercpa Chucaraubby 3rd - crazypunker
Unofficial KidV: molefan 1st, aubby 2nd, himself 3rd
Now I underlined two names here, Hal and roxis. Both of them voted aubby in 2nd yesterDay, but toDay not only voted paulwhoisabrokentree first but didn't vote for Chucaraubby at all. Roxis I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt because it's pretty much assumed she Pokeballed brokentree last Night. Her actions have also come across as mostly town to me.
Hal, on the other hand, voted brokentree first. Nanook second as a lurker-prod vote. And himself third as a placeholder. No mention of Chucaraubby at all. I don't know, but this really pings me heavily. In addition, Hal was in that group of voters that started the zeriel train Day One. Therefore:
2. Vote Hal Briston
I have to replace my third vote now....so I'm going to:
3. Vote misterblockey
His vote for brokentree seems very...weird, to me. Unless I'm mistaken it boils down to "she asked for a sub and I think it's too late to be asking for subs." But then gives a pass to Chucaraubby because it was yesterDay and he only has a threshold for one person asking a sub? Doesn't make any sense to me at all.
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To Chucara: My reasons for voting for you are pretty much the same as Hoopy's. In addition, aubby was the first person (besides MiteyMouse) to vote for zeriel in the #1 slot, and I explained yesterDay I felt like the scum may have tried to jumpstart a zeriel wagon to make it a run-off between zeriel and MiteyMouse, helping to keep Ed clear of being lynched. Plus, (this is new), I feel like you are trying to skulk into the shadows toDay and let the suspicion of aubby fade away. You're playing up the "I can't explain aubby's actions" card a little too heavily to me.
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Feb 11, 2009 20:23:41 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Feb 11, 2009 20:23:41 GMT -5
Well after rereading the last few days again, I think I will place my votes. VOTE #1 misterblockey So from this I gather you find the mason kerfuffle a success and almost sounds that you are happy with that. I find this very odd and very suspicious. (bleached) ......... For the record, I'm pretty sure that in the last game (Idle's Mario Game), there was a kerfuffle about the word debacle? Something like that. I'm almost positive misterblockey was saying success at the word kerfuffle being used...not the mason thing in general. *facepalm* 3. Unvote misterblockey3. Vote shaggyFor. Really. Bad. Reasoning.
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Feb 11, 2009 21:06:27 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Feb 11, 2009 21:06:27 GMT -5
Votes: Player | Vote 1 | Vote 2 | Vote 3 | Hal Briston | paulwhoisaghost | Nanook | Hal Briston | Hoopy Frood | Chucara | shaggy | paulwhoisaghost | Kat | paulwhoisaghost | | | Nanook | Chucara | shaggy | misterblocky | Natlaw | misterblocky | molefan | KidVermicious | Pollux Oil | Chucara | Hal Briston | shaggy | crazypunker | paulwhoisaghost | Nanook | Chucara | misterblocky | paulwhoisaghost | Natlaw | Nanook | molefan | Nanook | paulwhoisaghost | KidVermicious | peekercpa | paulwhoisaghost | Chucara | peekercpa | roxis | paulwhoisaghost | shaggy | Nanook | shaggy | misterblocky | Hoopy Frood | shaggy |
Totals: Votee | Total | Voters (#1) | Voters (#2) | Voters (#3) | paulwhoisaghost | 21 (18) | Hal Briston, Kat, crazypunker, misterblocky, peekercpa, roxis | molefan | Hoopy Frood | Chucara | 12 (12) | Hoopy Frood, Nanook, Pollux Oil | peekercpa | crazypunker | Nanook | 9 (9) | molefan | Hal Briston, crazypunker | misterblocky, roxis | shaggy | 8 (8) | | Hoopy Frood, Nanook, roxis | Pollux Oil, shaggy | misterblocky | 7 (7) | Natlaw, shaggy | | Nanook | Hal Briston | 3 (3) | | Pollux Oil | Hal Briston | Hoopy Frood | 2 (2) | | shaggy | | Natlaw | 2 (2) | | misterblocky | | KidVermicious | 2 (2) | | | Natlaw, molefan | molefan | 2 (2) | | Natlaw | | peekercpa | 1 (1) | | | peekercpa |
Not Voting: Chucara, KidVermicious, Parzival, TDPatriots, paulwhoisaghost
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Feb 11, 2009 21:44:06 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Feb 11, 2009 21:44:06 GMT -5
2 vote shaggy I was going to put someone else here, until shaggy partially based his vote on blockey's Evil Laugh Post comment. If that had been all that the post in question contained, you might be able to read it as a mispost, meant for the scum board instead of this one, but it's the beginning of a fairly long post that includes votes. blockey aint stoopid, ya know.
3 vote Chucara shaggy knocked you down from 2 to 3. Make sure you thank him. Care to share your case against Parzival yet? It's been like 16 hours so you should be home from work by now.
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Feb 11, 2009 22:13:11 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Feb 11, 2009 22:13:11 GMT -5
Votes: Player | Vote 1 | Vote 2 | Vote 3 | Hal Briston | paulwhoisaghost | Nanook | Hal Briston | Hoopy Frood | Chucara | shaggy | paulwhoisaghost | Kat | paulwhoisaghost | shaggy | Chucara | Nanook | Chucara | shaggy | misterblocky | Natlaw | misterblocky | molefan | KidVermicious | Pollux Oil | Chucara | Hal Briston | shaggy | crazypunker | paulwhoisaghost | Nanook | Chucara | misterblocky | paulwhoisaghost | Natlaw | Nanook | molefan | Nanook | paulwhoisaghost | KidVermicious | peekercpa | paulwhoisaghost | Chucara | peekercpa | roxis | paulwhoisaghost | shaggy | Nanook | shaggy | misterblocky | Hoopy Frood | shaggy |
Totals: Votee | Total | Voters (#1) | Voters (#2) | Voters (#3) | paulwhoisaghost | 21 (21) | Hal Briston, Kat, crazypunker, misterblocky, peekercpa, roxis | molefan | Hoopy Frood | Chucara | 13 (13) | Hoopy Frood, Nanook, Pollux Oil | peekercpa | Kat, crazypunker | shaggy | 10 (10) | | Hoopy Frood, Kat, Nanook, roxis | Pollux Oil, shaggy | Nanook | 9 (9) | molefan | Hal Briston, crazypunker | misterblocky, roxis | misterblocky | 7 (7) | Natlaw, shaggy | | Nanook | Hal Briston | 3 (3) | | Pollux Oil | Hal Briston | Hoopy Frood | 2 (2) | | shaggy | | Natlaw | 2 (2) | | misterblocky | | KidVermicious | 2 (2) | | | Natlaw, molefan | molefan | 2 (2) | | Natlaw | | peekercpa | 1 (1) | | | peekercpa |
Not Voting: Chucara, KidVermicious, Parzival, TDPatriots, paulwhoisaghost
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Feb 12, 2009 1:25:16 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Feb 12, 2009 1:25:16 GMT -5
Well guys, I would say It's been fun.... but it hasnt. It has pretty much sucked.
I don't know why Brokentree decided it would be a good idea to announce what her power was, but it definitely put her in a pretty cruddy situation. I think maybe she saw that the power was more of a liability to town than a benefit. That would explain her voting for herself on Day 2. In any case, if you are lynching me because my power is a liability then you are right. If you are lynching me because you think I am scum, you are dead wrong. I would also take a closer look at anyone who has said that my Role PM could be an altered Scum role. It doesnt make any sense. If I was scum why would I claim a power that I myself have confessed is a liability and that I should be lynched because of it? I believe the two people who stand out as accusing me of scum in this manner are Hal and Peeker.
If it means anything to any of you, here are my Final Thoughts.
1. Trust Roxis
2. Don't trust Hal or Peeker
3. Get it together guys, we are about to have 7 dead non scum... and we have only 1 scum gone so far. At this rate I dont expect the game will last much longer.
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Feb 12, 2009 1:25:45 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Feb 12, 2009 1:25:45 GMT -5
Well after rereading the last few days again, I think I will place my votes. VOTE #1 misterblockey Partly cause I agree with netlaw's point's but also i want to add this from day one: Misterblocky: So from this I gather you find the mason kerfuffle a success and almost sounds that you are happy with that. I find this very odd and very suspicious. bleached What what what!?!?!?! Really? After the entire last games debacle debacle I insert the word kerfuffle into the conversation just to see if other people will start using it spontaneously, they do, and then I say the above. Clearly then I must be the stupidest bloody scum to walk the earth. You caught me. [/sarcasm] Okay on to my third vote thing. I don't claim that you need no justification for a third vote, merely that a mild ping should be enough when there is nothing better. I exaggerated a little for effect, but if you notice immediately followed up with an actual reason. Okay the sub thing. Brokentree is now the second person who folded the instant any degree of pressure was placed, and asked for a sub. It's annoying, it throws off all of the reads, and it hurts town. I do give some leniency and give the person taking over a role a day or two to clear the air, but I only do it once. When two people do so in quick succession there's just too much noise. Add to that the role being neutrally useful if not harmful, and I'm comfortable with my vote. It may not catch scum, but it will cut down on the most confusing noise, and if I miss scum I'd rather make for a day with an easier read and less death in the morning. oh also unvoteVote 1: Paulwhoisabrokentree Vote 2: Shaggy Vote 3: Natlaw1) same reason 2) dear god what a horrid horrid stretch/smudge attempt/implying I'm an idiot 3) same reasons, also being mad that I tried to at least stimulate conversation even when I had nothing to say.
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Feb 12, 2009 1:30:19 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Feb 12, 2009 1:30:19 GMT -5
One more thing:
A kill with only a % chance of going through is a fine scum role. It honestly makes a lot of sense to me.
Oh and another thing. 5 posts a Day is all well and good, but that still doesn't excuse waiting til now to post at all toDay.
You have five posts.
And that's the kind of thing you actually do claim day one.
That way you can post once semi early. You have time for one retort/clarification post. And then you can post at the near end of the day and still have two spare posts if needed.
Waiting until the last minute was silly and keeping that pr a secret was not the best move either.
That is, of course, if you're telling the truth, and not scum trying to make it easier to be a bit lurky.
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Feb 12, 2009 1:57:04 GMT -5
Post by Parzival on Feb 12, 2009 1:57:04 GMT -5
Pollux posted much of what I wanted to mention. paulwhoisa/brokentree votes don't seem to all be because someone is thinking he's scum. It wouldn't surprise me to find at least one scum in there. It appears Hal was suspicious from the start, however, so I'm not entirely in agreement with his reasoning. It's actually Hoopy who seems a little opportunistic, or at least not voting based on scum.
I'm finally getting my vote in now.
1. vote Chucara
Chucara seems to not have added much, and hasn't followed up on the reasoning of the vote for me. This weak participation, in addition to my previous suspicion of Aubby, make me keep my vote there.
2. vote Natlaw It's no one thing, but several small ones (and not enough to make a full 3-point vote). Early today some of the questions about last night seemed a little like fishing for power roles. Some of his attacks seem a little too strong (MHaye Day 1, misterblockey today.)
3. vote Hoopy Mentioned above, although this is a close one for me. I think one of the paul voters may be scum, so I'm casting a weak vote for him.
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Day 3
Feb 12, 2009 2:46:42 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Feb 12, 2009 2:46:42 GMT -5
Bah.. I've decided to just claim now. If I don't you (we) will just waste more time pondering why aubby voted the way she did, so I'm doing this because I don't know if I will ever get my powers back and to save time for town:
It sucks coming into a game in this position as the burden of proof has basically turned. I can't say I blame you, but I do urge you consider what kinda of a scum play it would be to vote for all masons except the scum one. It would mean giving away two scum instead of one..
I forgot following up on my case against parzival(got a new game, and it kinda hard being motivated when your votes don't count), I will drop upon rereading. My notes were based on one of his comments about sinjin, and with him claiming and not being countered, I no longer have suspiscions.
unvote all vote 1: paulwhoisabrokentree For weird wielding of the hammer. it simply doesn't sit right with me. vote 2: Hoopy Frood Appears to be playing different in this game compared to all other games I've played with him. This doesn't mean he is surely scum, but it's better than most of my suspiscions right now. vote 3: mePlaceholder until I've reread... I can't really find any super candidates right now.
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Day 3
Feb 12, 2009 3:02:32 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Feb 12, 2009 3:02:32 GMT -5
Drinks are on me! Seeing as how I wont be alive to pay the tab. hehehe Hopefully Pedescribe has some good death color waiting for me. Maybe he'll have me kill myself with my own hammer. That would only be fair. Death by the tool I used to kill others. Then again, I always wanted to die with one fifth of whiskey in one hand and a too cheap cigar in the other. I guess only time will tell.
Well guys, No more posting for me. Have fun and GO TOWN!
BOO SCUM!
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Day 3
Feb 12, 2009 3:14:36 GMT -5
Post by harmless little bunny on Feb 12, 2009 3:14:36 GMT -5
It's good to hear that there's at least one protective role still alive, if Hoopy and Roxis are any indication. Actually, I wouldn't count that for much. Based on the "shield" mention in both Sinjin's death color and my protection PM, it's quite possible Sinjin protected us both and we got two different PM's in how it worked. However.... Since Parzival claims he targeted roxis night 1, and roxis claims she got a new pokemon night 1, if Sinjin had targeted roxis, roxis would not have received any benefit from Parzival due to the nature of Sinjin's power. So something doesn't quite gel here if we go with Sinjin targeting us both and assume that everyone is telling the truth. I agree with your assessment here. I think if Sinjin is the one protecting you then someone might be lying. If someone is protected tonight then we will know it's not Sinjin. If not we are still unsure if it was Sin because if a scum or third party is protected then he/she might not tell us. As for my vote on Nanook I think I need to reconsider. If he does have a post restriction it would make sense to save most of your posts for the end of the day in case of emergency. Also, I think that if his role is restricted from posting it might be a balance to a strong power. Therefore: Unvote Nanook 2I still am slightly suspicious of Chicaraubby because of Aubby's actions earlier, but I will leave them at third for now. I am still having a hard time making sense of Shaggy's posts. I can't tell if it is because of a problem with my reading comprehension or his ability to communicate or a scum trying to justify strange things strangely. Vote Shaggy 2
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Day 3
Feb 12, 2009 3:15:11 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Feb 12, 2009 3:15:11 GMT -5
If you're trying to leave a clue, I don't get it
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Day 3
Feb 12, 2009 3:15:23 GMT -5
Post by harmless little bunny on Feb 12, 2009 3:15:23 GMT -5
I forgot to bold the rest of the names. Oh well...
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Feb 12, 2009 6:24:33 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Feb 12, 2009 6:24:33 GMT -5
If you're trying to leave a clue, I don't get it he only used one fifth posting - aka something about Nanook? 1. Trust Roxis 2. Don't trust Hal or Peeker If you are really town, maybe you can give some reasons why we should listen to you here?
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Feb 12, 2009 6:48:06 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Feb 12, 2009 6:48:06 GMT -5
For someone to target Sinjin instead of aubby makes no sense. Really, when you're a townie, and you don't know if your power can hurt or help your cause, don't use it without good reason. If you are compelled to use it, try not to shoot randomly. I agree it was a bad choice, but just don't think she flipped a coin. It's no one thing, but several small ones (and not enough to make a full 3-point vote). Early today some of the questions about last night seemed a little like fishing for power roles. Some of his attacks seem a little too strong (MHaye Day 1, misterblockey today.) Which questions were those? I only see one about the protection of roxis, which I guess can be seen a trying to see whether it was a block or protect (or sinjin doing both). But I didn't ask for people to reveal if they were blocked/protected. My misterblockey vote was aggressive on purpose to generate discussion, but I don't think it worked too well, especially this early in the game.
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Day 3
Feb 12, 2009 7:58:48 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Feb 12, 2009 7:58:48 GMT -5
Well guys, I would say It's been fun.... but it hasnt. It has pretty much sucked. I don't know why Brokentree decided it would be a good idea to announce what her power was, but it definitely put her in a pretty cruddy situation. I think maybe she saw that the power was more of a liability to town than a benefit. That would explain her voting for herself on Day 2. In any case, if you are lynching me because my power is a liability then you are right. If you are lynching me because you think I am scum, you are dead wrong. I would also take a closer look at anyone who has said that my Role PM could be an altered Scum role. It doesnt make any sense. If I was scum why would I claim a power that I myself have confessed is a liability and that I should be lynched because of it? I believe the two people who stand out as accusing me of scum in this manner are Hal and Peeker. And you know what? I agree. It was something I was thinking about on my drive to work this morning. I voted you number three with the idea that you do have a power that's a liability, and I explained how badly it was used, particularly if it's why Sinjin got whacked. Regardless, though, voting you for the actions of your predecessor is a horrible reason (unless those actions are patently scummy, more on that in a bit). And I've explained how your power would best be used, and that's to target the number two in the borda count. If brokentree was still around, I'd feel less bad about this vote because she's the one that used her power badly, not you. But her claiming would be crazy for scum. Someone without much heat on them coming out and admitting they might have killed off a protector role? It's a completely nonsensical play for scum. So I don't think you're scum and am extremely concerned at the fact that you leapt into first place as quickly as you did. Especially when there are others who have much more scum motivation for their actions. So mea culpa for voting you. It stinks, and I shouldn't have done it. A reigned in compulsory vig with a fail chance is better than a dead townie. unvote 3. paulwhoisaghost[/color] and just so my other votes still count, until I find something better vote 3. Hoopy Frood[/color]
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Day 3
Feb 12, 2009 8:03:22 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Feb 12, 2009 8:03:22 GMT -5
Drinks are on me! Seeing as how I wont be alive to pay the tab. he hehe Hopefully Pedescribe has some good death color waiting for me. Maybe he'll have me kill myself with my own hammer. That would only be fair. Death by the tool I used to kill others. Then again, I always wanted to die with one fifth of whiskey in one hand and a too cheap cigar in the other. I guess only time will tell. Well guys, No more posting for me. Have fun and GO TOWN!BOO SCUM!Oh, I've got some good color prepared...it'll make you tear up! BWAHAHAHAHAHA Sorry. Also, I humbly regret having had to put a sub into such a sucky position. But I digress. Votes: Player | Vote 1 | Vote 2 | Vote 3 | Hal Briston | paulwhoisaghost | Nanook | Hal Briston | Hoopy Frood | Chucara | shaggy | paulwhoisaghost | Kat | paulwhoisaghost | shaggy | Chucara | Nanook | Chucara | shaggy | misterblocky | Natlaw | misterblocky | molefan | KidVermicious | Pollux Oil | Chucara | Hal Briston | shaggy | crazypunker | paulwhoisaghost | Nanook | Chucara | misterblocky | paulwhoisaghost | Natlaw | Nanook | molefan | Nanook | paulwhoisaghost | KidVermicious | peekercpa | paulwhoisaghost | Chucara | peekercpa | roxis | paulwhoisaghost | shaggy | Nanook | shaggy | misterblocky | Hoopy Frood | shaggy |
Totals: Votee | Total | Voters (#1) | Voters (#2) | Voters (#3) | paulwhoisaghost | 21 (21) | Hal Briston, Kat, crazypunker, misterblocky, peekercpa, roxis | molefan | Hoopy Frood | Chucara | 13 (13) | Hoopy Frood, Nanook, Pollux Oil | peekercpa | Kat, crazypunker | shaggy | 10 (10) | | Hoopy Frood, Kat, Nanook, roxis | Pollux Oil, shaggy | Nanook | 9 (9) | molefan | Hal Briston, crazypunker | misterblocky, roxis | misterblocky | 7 (7) | Natlaw, shaggy | | Nanook | Hal Briston | 3 (3) | | Pollux Oil | Hal Briston | Hoopy Frood | 2 (2) | | shaggy | | Natlaw | 2 (2) | | misterblocky | | KidVermicious | 2 (2) | | | Natlaw, molefan | molefan | 2 (2) | | Natlaw | | peekercpa | 1 (1) | | | peekercpa |
Not Voting: Chucara, KidVermicious, Parzival, TDPatriots, paulwhoisaghost
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