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Day 4
Feb 17, 2009 11:55:03 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Feb 17, 2009 11:55:03 GMT -5
Crud. OK, I've at least skimmed through everything I missed while away. I'll get to Crazy in the next post, right now the only thing I have to add is that I agree with whoever first suggested the the player (iceclimber?) who escaped death should claim, because somebody non-town already wants you dead, and your claim will help us find scum by reducing the number of players we need to look at.[/b][/quote] Italics mine. So KidV to go along with my earlier statement, how exactly do you reconcile this post, particularly the statement above, with these: Hoopy, whats with the insistence that you're confirmed? Absent a counter-claim, I'm willing to believe that you are the player that escaped death last Night, but I'm don't see where that says anything definate about your alignment. I agree that you're probably town, but I object to the idea that you're confirmed. Don't be ridiculous, Pollux. Nobody is confirmed unless they're an uncountered Mason or a dead Town detective says they are. "As confirmed as we're going to get" does not equal 100% confirmed. So if I get this right, my claim will help us find scum, because it will reduce the number of players we need to look at, but I'm not confirmed, which would mean I'm a still a player people would have to look at. Contradict yourself, much? vote 1. KidV
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Day 4
Feb 17, 2009 12:03:55 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Feb 17, 2009 12:03:55 GMT -5
Votes: Player | Vote 1 | Vote 2 | Vote 3 | Hoopy Frood | KidVermicious | | | Pollux Oil | KidVermicious | Natlaw | peekercpa | crazypunker | | | KidVermicious |
Totals: Votee | Total | Voters (#1) | Voters (#2) | Voters (#3) | KidVermicious | 7 (3) | Hoopy Frood, Pollux Oil | | crazypunker | Parzival |
[/td][td]5 (5)[/td][/tr] [tr][td]Natlaw[/td][td]2 (2)[/td][td] [/td][td]Pollux Oil[/td][td] [/td][/tr] [tr][td]peekercpa[/td][td]1 (1)[/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td]Pollux Oil[/td][/tr] [/table] Not Voting: Chucara, Hal Briston, Kat, KidVermicious, Nanook, Natlaw, Parzival, TDPatriots, paulwhoisaghost, misterblocky, molefan, peekercpa, roxis, shaggy
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Day 4
Feb 17, 2009 12:38:42 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Feb 17, 2009 12:38:42 GMT -5
Nope. I don't see a disconnect between
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... and I'm a little surprised that you do. There's far too much digging for "gotchas" in this particular game, and I'll be honest, it's starting to piss me off.
I'm going to go ahead and claim right now anyway, because it may help Shaggy. He didn't target anybody Night One, and I know this because I'm the uber-backup. Each Night, I have the option of using the power of whoever we lynched, and I used Miteys tracking power on Shaggy Night One. He wasn't targeted by anybody (besides me), and didn't target anybody.
I chose not to use Eds block Night Two (or rather, I chose to use it on Sachertorte, just to see what the mods response would be), and I wasn't around Night Three.
Hence my request for Townies on the lynch-stand to post their PMs.
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Day 4
Feb 17, 2009 13:05:00 GMT -5
Post by Parzival on Feb 17, 2009 13:05:00 GMT -5
Kat, are you willing to confirm that you did/did not target either me or paul last night?
Hoopy's status is pretty darn close to confirmed for me. I'd put him at the bottom of the list since no one else is close to that level I personally think there was a slight tradeoff to claiming - townies were unikely to NK you, and you could have claimed only when pushed to it, and it's not a given that the scum targeted you. But I don't think it was a terribly bad play.
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Day 4
Feb 17, 2009 15:55:29 GMT -5
Post by harmless little bunny on Feb 17, 2009 15:55:29 GMT -5
I don't know if anyone has thought of this, but it kind of makes sense in this game. What if the PFK is the one who hurt Kat and Peeker and his win condition is everyone else who is alive has to be hurt? Just a thought to consider anyways.
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Day 4
Feb 17, 2009 16:15:00 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Feb 17, 2009 16:15:00 GMT -5
I don't know if anyone has thought of this, but it kind of makes sense in this game. What if the PFK is the one who hurt Kat and Peeker and his win condition is everyone else who is alive has to be hurt? Just a thought to consider anyways. That would imply we had two bombers and one of those manged to only strike twice. Possible, but unlikely.
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Day 4
Feb 17, 2009 16:18:43 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Feb 17, 2009 16:18:43 GMT -5
and it's not a given that the scum targeted you. True. But if they did, they'd know I was vulnerable. And if the SK targeted me, he'd know it as well. The only one's who wouldn't is town, and the killing party that didn't target me. If a doc decides to protect me, that means that all the killing parties can't touch me barring a redirect or block. So it's a net gain to expose myself to town. Also, since Nana was out there, it explains some of what happened last night, rather than having people speculate.
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Day 4
Feb 17, 2009 17:19:11 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 17, 2009 17:19:11 GMT -5
Punker, I doubt there are two mad bombers in the game, and that's essentially what you're suggesting. (Remember Sachertorte.) On the other hand, I assume that the scum / (assumed) SK / vigs have been responsible for the death-storm we've had so far, and there's been no shortage of lethality there. What kind of role hurts but doesn't kill someone?
Parzival, I agree on Hoopy.
As for the mass claim, I'd advocate it at this point if we had more docs available. As it is, I suspect we only have two, maybe three protective powers available (counting Roxis and the person who protected Hoopy and Roxis as the two known ones), and there's only Pollux's PM to suggest that there isn't a scum doc. (Not that I can see any serious reason to suspect Pollux, but I'm not ruling him out 100% either.) Of those powers, Roxis' is extremely weakened, and there's no reason to suspect that the other "protector" isn't either.
The question for me is: is outing all our power roles worth the extra townie confirmation that PR status brings? Right now I've got exactly one townie that I'm pretty sure is confirmed, and that's Hoopy. That's despite several power roles already being claimed - offhand I can immediately think of KidV, Roxis, Shaggy, Pollux and Parzival, and if I went through the player list there'd probably be others. My point is that of every claimant, Hoopy is the only one of the whole lot who's close to being confirmed in any real sense, although I'd be amazed if Roxis were scum.
I think this is primarily a docs vs. killers game, and the docs have obviously had the worst of it so far. It seems to me that if there are only two protective roles left - and there could be - then my instincts are strongly to avoid outing him. That said, I think I'd be willing to trade a doc for one less wrong lynching, given how few mis-lynches we have left. (I think it's safe to assume that Natlaw's figures are fairly close to the real situation.) My main concern is that we're getting a lot of claims out, but we're not narrowing down our suspects too much.
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Day 4
Feb 17, 2009 17:20:22 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 17, 2009 17:20:22 GMT -5
I don't know if anyone has thought of this, but it kind of makes sense in this game. What if the PFK is the one who hurt Kat and Peeker and his win condition is everyone else who is alive has to be hurt? Just a thought to consider anyways. That would imply we had two bombers and one of those manged to only strike twice. Possible, but unlikely. And that's why you shouldn't spend too long on posts like the one I just made where I repeated Hoopy practically verbatim without realising it...
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Day 4
Feb 17, 2009 17:23:40 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 17, 2009 17:23:40 GMT -5
I think this is primarily a docs vs. killers game, and the docs have obviously had the worst of it so far. It seems to me that if there are only two protective roles left - and there could be - then my instincts are strongly to avoid outing him. First of all, I apologise for my horrible bolding fails. I think I missed at least three people's names. It's not as easy as you guys make it look. Secondly, by "him", I mean the person who protected Hoopy and Roxis.
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Day 4
Feb 17, 2009 19:02:10 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Feb 17, 2009 19:02:10 GMT -5
I’ve been waffling back and forth on saying anything about this, but I decided that I need to get at least this much information out for discussion. I got the following PM regarding my Night 3 Action: “You spent your night trying to find ***** and his place on the record boards, but were unable to. You know your power was working, but something about ***** prevented you from using it." I don’t know if the person I targeted was blocked by someone else, or if it is his/her own ability, or if this is something related to what happened with paul and Parzival. I am posting it in case it is somehow the third option (because obviously, I wasn't the only one with target-related weirdness last Night), but I’ll reveal who it is if people want to discuss the possibility that it’s one of the first two. If the person in question has a hiding ability, I don't want to out them if I don't have to, though. I doubt that this has anything to do with what happened to Parzival, but it is still a possibility. I wonder if ***** is the PFK. You know who it is. Do you think that it is a possibility? A win-stealing PFK who hides seems like a definite possibility to me. Based on this person's posting history, I would be very very surprised to find out he/she were a PFK (for a couple of reasons). He/she would have to be a very crummy Mafia player (and/or pede would have to be a Gastard, which he claims he isn't) if he/she were a PFK, and I don't think that he/she is. Kat, are you willing to confirm that you did/did not target either me or paul last night? I absolutely did not target you or paul last Night. In regards to the Hoopy and KidV show, I doubt that even a Gastard would give a non-Town player a "Town surrogate" double. Unless someone counterclaims, Hoopy's on the floor next to shaggy, and although I've read KidV's posts twice, I still don't understand why he's still floating the possibility on this. On the other hand, I'm inclined to believe that KidV's not scum based on his claimed role PM, because it's probably (although not definite) that a faked role PM would not think to put in a disclaimer about scum board access in regards to power assumption. A Town or PFK role would be likely to have had that in the original true PM, though.
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Day 4
Feb 17, 2009 19:21:23 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Feb 17, 2009 19:21:23 GMT -5
Clarification: Although I'm fairly sure that ***** isn't PFK, I haven't eliminated him/her from being scum.
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Day 4
Feb 17, 2009 20:08:56 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Feb 17, 2009 20:08:56 GMT -5
I don't know if anyone has thought of this, but it kind of makes sense in this game. What if the PFK is the one who hurt Kat and Peeker and his win condition is everyone else who is alive has to be hurt? Just a thought to consider anyways. Ding, ding ding. What could be causing an effect that needs to be commented on. I didn't get any idication that I had been targeted until the morning color. I know I spoke up for some but am now having some migivings. It has not affected any of my abilities, ir any, however.
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Day 4
Feb 17, 2009 20:36:39 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Feb 17, 2009 20:36:39 GMT -5
My point is that of every claimant, Hoopy is the only one of the whole lot who's close to being confirmed in any real sense, although I'd be amazed if Roxis were scum. Just curious, why'd you single out roxis out of all of the claimants? Unvote All1. Vote Hal Briston 2. Vote Nanook 3. Vote NatlawWithdrawing my vote on KidV temporarily based on his role claim, but I still don't like his statements. In addition, I don't like his reasoning for claiming now. Helping shaggy? Nobody was talking about lynching him toDay. In addition, now you've given away something to scum that would have been better served unknown. They can alter their fake roles now so you won't be able to use their powers effectively...IF you're not scum yourself. It doesn't make sense for you to reveal yourself at this juncture. Added Hal and Nanook because, post restrictions notwithstanding, I want to know what they have to say about something. Silence is unnerving. So let's lynch some lurkers!
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Day 4
Feb 17, 2009 21:28:45 GMT -5
Post by shaggy on Feb 17, 2009 21:28:45 GMT -5
Well i reread the last few days, and I think for now I am going to vote, however I am willing if it is better to change my votes before the end of the day to do so.
vote #1 Peek Vote #2 Hal Vote #3 shaggy
Here is why I voted this way.
peek was because of these 2 posts:
peek n1.35
The better part of day 2 that was not dealing with ed and him blowing up, was me and a few arguing over my relationship with mitey which really happened because of this post. So I can not help but feel it was raised to create the argument going. This post, caused the sinjin post about he does not care at all followed by a few graphic words and then that led to me going after him harder.
peek 2.134
This vote amount's to a "me too" bandwagon vote. Seeing as it did not add any reason of your own, just agree with other people's opinion of me. I know by it's self is a null-tell and weak, but when combined with the fact that the biggest thing to set me, hoopy and sinjin off on each other was the first post I quoted by him. Me and sinjin really went at each other, and it was really rooted in my relationship to mitey which was brought up by you peek. Yes it is not much but it is worth thinking about atleast.
hal was cause of this post:
Hal 3.187
Here is my problem with this post, you think I am being railroaded, and yet you still vote me. Maybe it is just me being an idiot and a bad player here again, but does this not seem a little contradictory? I just mean you think I am being unfairly voted for but you still vote me your self, that just seems odd to me. If it was just the last part, about me thinking that his post was a scum tell and that is really weak. Therefore that is why you voted me, then ok it make's sence but by putting in the first part, that makes it seems really odd to then vote me. Now I know this is just one post and therefore nothing to go on really, so that is why I am having you number 2, infact i was tempted to place holder myself at 2 and make you 3. This is a FOS vote more then anything.
the last one is cause I have a few suspiciouns but when I was typing this I decided the one post or what ever, was more of a null-tell then anything worth voting for. So for now i am place holding this vote till I fully can agree and see a better person to vote for. Even my number one and 2 votes I am willing to change if there are better candidates and if my votes are to weak and bad to really warrent them.
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Day 4
Feb 17, 2009 21:34:59 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 17, 2009 21:34:59 GMT -5
My point is that of every claimant, Hoopy is the only one of the whole lot who's close to being confirmed in any real sense, although I'd be amazed if Roxis were scum. Just curious, why'd you single out roxis out of all of the claimants? Read back to my posts about her on the first day. My opinions haven't changed since then; if anything they've been strengthened by the fact that Special Ed was in the forefront of those trying to make her an easy "frame".
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Day 4
Feb 17, 2009 21:35:47 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Feb 17, 2009 21:35:47 GMT -5
My point is that of every claimant, Hoopy is the only one of the whole lot who's close to being confirmed in any real sense, although I'd be amazed if Roxis were scum. Just curious, why'd you single out roxis out of all of the claimants? Unvote All1. Vote Hal Briston 2. Vote Nanook 3. Vote NatlawWithdrawing my vote on KidV temporarily based on his role claim, but I still don't like his statements. In addition, I don't like his reasoning for claiming now. Helping shaggy? Nobody was talking about lynching him toDay. In addition, now you've given away something to scum that would have been better served unknown. They can alter their fake roles now so you won't be able to use their powers effectively...IF you're not scum yourself. It doesn't make sense for you to reveal yourself at this juncture. Added Hal and Nanook because, post restrictions notwithstanding, I want to know what they have to say about something. Silence is unnerving. So let's lynch some lurkers! And I think that this is a terrible play. I agree that LtL is legitimate early on. Especicially if it acts as a prod. Matter of fact, I have always advocated this position. However, where we are it seems less than ideal. Meh, my two cents. Crap, I think that we are just lollipopping the scum our remaining powers. Sheep doodle (and that is not a swipe Hal, just a euphamism).
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Day 4
Feb 17, 2009 21:49:32 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Feb 17, 2009 21:49:32 GMT -5
Votes: Player | Vote 1 | Vote 2 | Vote 3 | Hoopy Frood | KidVermicious | | | Pollux Oil | Hal Briston | Nanook | Natlaw | crazypunker | | | KidVermicious | shaggy | peekercpa | Hal Briston | shaggy |
Totals: Votee | Total | Voters (#1) | Voters (#2) | Voters (#3) | Hal Briston | 5 (5) | Pollux Oil | shaggy | | Parzival | 5 (5) | KidVermicious | 4 (0) | Hoopy Frood | | crazypunker | peekercpa | 3 (3) | shaggy | | | Nanook | 2 (2) | | Pollux Oil | | shaggy | 1 (1) | | | shaggy | Natlaw | 1 (1) | | | Pollux Oil |
Not Voting: Chucara, Hal Briston, Kat, KidVermicious, Nanook, Natlaw, Parzival, TDPatriots, paulwhoisaghost, misterblocky, molefan, peekercpa, roxis
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Day 4
Feb 17, 2009 21:54:19 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Feb 17, 2009 21:54:19 GMT -5
Withdrawing my vote on KidV temporarily based on his role claim, but I still don't like his statements. In addition, I don't like his reasoning for claiming now. Helping shaggy? Nobody was talking about lynching him toDay. In addition, now you've given away something to scum that would have been better served unknown. They can alter their fake roles now so you won't be able to use their powers effectively...IF you're not scum yourself. It doesn't make sense for you to reveal yourself at this juncture. Added Hal and Nanook because, post restrictions notwithstanding, I want to know what they have to say about something. Silence is unnerving. So let's lynch some lurkers! I claimed primarily to prevent a mislynch... I didn't like the way the wind was blowing. Information that Shaggy wasn't the source of any of the Night One kills seemed important too, because I saw speculation that he's a SK. And I'm not as concerned about using scum roles effectively, their rolename should tell me most of what I need to know, regardless of what they say. The reason I asked Town to reveal a full PM b4 lynch is just mostly because it can't hurt.
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Day 4
Feb 17, 2009 21:54:57 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Feb 17, 2009 21:54:57 GMT -5
Clarification/peeksplanation:
At this point scum have had a whoppin' amount of time to concoct fake roles and PMs. So what seems legit could very well be fake. Putting a whole lot of faith on that alone could be very fatal.
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Day 4
Feb 17, 2009 23:07:14 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Feb 17, 2009 23:07:14 GMT -5
Hal 3.187 Here is my problem with this post, you think I am being railroaded, and yet you still vote me. Maybe it is just me being an idiot and a bad player here again, but does this not seem a little contradictory? I just mean you think I am being unfairly voted for but you still vote me your self, that just seems odd to me. This is not you being an idiot or a bad player. This is a completely valid observation. Just letting you know. Oh and unvote kidV[/color] His claim is believable enough, and a gutsy fake claim, since it seems to me to be a fairly testable thing. I still don't really understand why he doesn't consider me confirmed, though. While it'd be nice to have a confirmed townie voting from the grave, something tells me this is a goof.[/color] I'll see what I can come up with voting for tomorrow. I likely have a busy day at work, so it might not be until afternoon/evening.
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Day 4
Feb 17, 2009 23:53:01 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Feb 17, 2009 23:53:01 GMT -5
While it'd be nice to have a confirmed townie voting from the grave, something tells me this is a goof. (bleached) Yeah, misterblockey's not voting either. Seems we've got a zombie infestation here. ;D
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Day 4
Feb 18, 2009 1:10:20 GMT -5
Post by Parzival on Feb 18, 2009 1:10:20 GMT -5
And I'm not as concerned about using scum roles effectively, their rolename should tell me most of what I need to know, regardless of what they say. The reason I asked Town to reveal a full PM b4 lynch is just mostly because it can't hurt. Don't you have the option of doing nothing with the power anyway? I wouldn't take a chance with any scum power when you don't know what it does and it likely won't be very pro-town anyways. The choice is yours, but I suggest you at least weight the option. Of course, first we need to lynch scum...
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Day 4
Feb 18, 2009 4:49:20 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Feb 18, 2009 4:49:20 GMT -5
Work has sucked hard core... so I'm gonna make this short.
Vote #1 Nanook Vote #2 Hal Vote #3 crazypunker
Nanook- I'm still extremely suspicious of the fact that he has 5 posts per DAY and doesnt use them all. He hasn't even use one toDay. There is something going on here that just isnt right.
Hal- A lot of the talk going on right now is useless side talk about PFKs and who targetted who and claims that aren't really helping us find scum. Before I get a dozen replies on my hypocrisy, I am well aware that I am part of this problem. Hal however has not even contributed these semi-useful conversations. And with how much talk is going on about the PFK and Scum, I cant help but think that he is trying to lay low.
Crazypunker- For someone who usually has a lot to say, you haven't posted much toDay. In fact, all I can remember off the top of my head that you have posted is a crackpot theory about 2 mad bombers. Besides, someone has to get the third vote.
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Day 4
Feb 18, 2009 7:47:12 GMT -5
Post by harmless little bunny on Feb 18, 2009 7:47:12 GMT -5
Work has sucked hard core... so I'm gonna make this short. Vote #1 Nanook Vote #2 Hal Vote #3 crazypunker Nanook- I'm still extremely suspicious of the fact that he has 5 posts per DAY and doesnt use them all. He hasn't even use one toDay. There is something going on here that just isnt right. Hal- A lot of the talk going on right now is useless side talk about PFKs and who targetted who and claims that aren't really helping us find scum. Before I get a dozen replies on my hypocrisy, I am well aware that I am part of this problem. Hal however has not even contributed these semi-useful conversations. And with how much talk is going on about the PFK and Scum, I cant help but think that he is trying to lay low. Crazypunker- For someone who usually has a lot to say, you haven't posted much toDay. In fact, all I can remember off the top of my head that you have posted is a crackpot theory about 2 mad bombers. Besides, someone has to get the third vote. I got in trouble day 1 for posting too much relating to color. Since then I feel I have been pretty consistent with my participation. That theory I posted was something that I feel could be useful to consider, especially as the game gets further. Since this is my first game I wouldn't know if having that kind of win-stealing PFK is likely or not, so of course I would post it if I thought it would help town to consider.
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Day 4
Feb 18, 2009 8:14:32 GMT -5
Post by roxis on Feb 18, 2009 8:14:32 GMT -5
Add TD to the list of zombies. My point is that of every claimant, Hoopy is the only one of the whole lot who's close to being confirmed in any real sense, although I'd be amazed if Roxis were scum. Just curious, why'd you single out roxis out of all of the claimants? I'd be a little overpowered for scum, don't you think? Vote 2 NanookI hate to me-too, but I agree with everything that's been said thus far. I voted him third yesterday (as did several other people), and he responded to say he has a post restriction, but I don't know why he hasn't checked in at all. What if someone starts the countdown before he gets even one post in? It just seems like bad strategy for a town player. I'd at least like to know where he stands on today's events - he could do one long post and still have four more, which he probably wouldn't use anyway. Had we not figured out what paul's power did, I'd probably be voting him today, but a pile of votes seems harmless enough as long as it's not like...twelve. I'd really like to know what a 7 does...maybe removes votes?
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Day 4
Feb 18, 2009 8:17:39 GMT -5
Post by harmless little bunny on Feb 18, 2009 8:17:39 GMT -5
I disagree with Peek about LTL. I think that later in the game the scum might try to hide more. Especially with all of the mislynches thus far. I think they will be content to let us talk it out and decide to vote people based on the small amount of information that we already have rather than give us more.
First is Nanook. He has only 5 posts per day, but WTF? That is no reason to just post 1 time yesterday and not post at all (yet) today. It seems like a very convenient fake post restriction more than an actual post restriction.
Care to comment Nanook?
Vote Nanook 1
I am beginning to wonder where Hal is as well.
Vote Hal 2
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Day 4
Feb 18, 2009 8:21:53 GMT -5
Post by harmless little bunny on Feb 18, 2009 8:21:53 GMT -5
Didn't see that Roxis had posted yet...
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Day 4
Feb 18, 2009 9:01:57 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 18, 2009 9:01:57 GMT -5
Well this is unexpected.
Parzival, Natlaw, KidV? Got any opinions on this latest state of affairs?
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Day 4
Feb 18, 2009 9:51:20 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Feb 18, 2009 9:51:20 GMT -5
I didn't have time last night, so that why I've been a bit quiet. And I'm at work now, so a short post.
I don't think a mass claim is that bad Tomorrow, since it seems like everyone auto claims the moment they get in the vote lead at the moment. Maybe we should leave out powers until there is a good reason to post them (just name/color claim)? On the other hand that doesn't give much extra info to figure which roles would be more likely to be scum.
For Kat!'s not finding someone last Night, I wonder if it was shaggy as he claimed a kill dodge - so either Kat didn't target shaggy, or tried to kill him or shaggy could dodge more than just kill attempts. pedescribe specifically said Solid Snake is no longer hidden from Night kills though (instead of actions). Another thing is that if Kat is town and can target people at Night, she just painted a big target on herself.
As for the current lynch the lurker vote spree, not sure we can afford it. So it would be nice if people could point to actually scummy things besides lurking. In that regard Hal Briston seems a bit more suspicious to me than Nanook, because although he has more posts, they seem lighter on content besides the actual vote posts (where not giving reasons would be scummy). Pollux de Fuego also picked him out on Day Three for not revoting Chucaraubby he voted second Day Two. Hal later changed his vote to include Chucara.
I'll get my votes in when I'm at home tonight (afternoon for the US people).
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