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Day 4
Feb 18, 2009 10:19:25 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 18, 2009 10:19:25 GMT -5
Actually, forget that.
Here's my role PM. I'm posting it now because I think there's a strong chance that the scum already know who I am, or at least what I've been doing these past few nights.
** Parts omitted because they'd only help the scum. I can't prove the third Pikmin power I've got, and I need at least three Pikmin for it anyway. Posting it here would do nothing to help the town while making that power all but useless against the scum, so I'm not going to do so.
Another note: although it says "pick" a Pikmin, I don't get to choose which ones I'd receive (obviously, otherwise they'd all be purple or white). They're randomly assigned to me at the start of each day and night. So far I've had: red and blue (day and night one), red and purple (day and night two), white and yellow (day and night three).
First of all, on the off chance that there's anybody left who hasn't already worked it out, I was the one who protected Roxis night one and Hoopy night two. On night one I sent two Pikmin to protect Roxis. I didn't have a purple Pikmin then so she had a 50% chance of surviving a night-kill attempt. One of the Pikmin - a red one - returned that night.
After the night was over, my first post of that day said:
I don't know why Roxis didn't send me a stronger signal that she understood my hint. Unfortunately KidV did pick up on this, and asked if I was claiming to have killed Sachertorte. Given how suspicious I am of him right now, this was a really bad thing to happen.
On night two I protected Hoopy with two Pikmin. One of them was purple, giving him a 75% chance of survival. Again, I got a red Pikmin back.
The next day I posted the "Dig Dug" thing, where I specifically asked Hoopy and Roxis if they were fans of the game. A few posts later Hoopy promptly told everyone, scum included, that he'd woken up outside in a hole, and Roxis pointed out that she'd had basically the same thing happen to her as well. As "facepalm" moments go, that was a biggie.
On a side note - Hoopy, what the hell were you thinking? And when you suggested Sinjin was responsible, was that just to take the emphasis off me or did you genuinely not realise that it was me who'd protected you?
At that point (mid Day 3), given that I felt I'd effectively been outed, I considered a full roleclaim. In the end I didn't because I'd just had a white Pikmin, counting as two to an investigation, and I didn't want to have to doc myself instead. So I gambled that the scum, even if they knew, wouldn't think me worth killing; and investigated Nanook with four Pikmin (white, red and yellow).
I got no result from that investigation. Specifically, I was told that my Pikmin couldn't find him. (Unfortunately that didn't mean that they were returned to me.) So it looks to me that either I was roleblocked (which suggests the scum have a good idea who I am, because I can't imagine a townie choosing me to block over several other people here and the odds of a PFK roleblocker are pretty slim after Sachertorte got iced) or someone's protecting Nanook from being investigated. Possibly he has some kind of power that allows him to evade investigations or other night actions.
Vote 1: Nanook Vote 2: Kid Vermicious Vote 3: Molefan
(The third votes is a placeholder because at this point I really can't see any point in voting anybody but Nanook and KidV. I'm not half as certain of anyone else as I am about them, and I don't want to risk giving the scum an opportunity to lynch another innocent but unconfirmed townie like Chucara or Mitey.)
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Day 4
Feb 18, 2009 10:26:53 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Feb 18, 2009 10:26:53 GMT -5
Votes: Player | Vote 1 | Vote 2 | Vote 3 | Pollux Oil | Hal Briston | Nanook | Natlaw | paulwhoisaghost | Nanook | Hal Briston | crazypunker | crazypunker | Nanook | Hal Briston | KidVermicious | molefan | Nanook | KidVermicuous | Molefan | roxis | | Nanook | | shaggy | peekercpa | Hal Briston | shaggy |
Totals: Votee | Total | Voters (#1) | Voters (#2) | Voters (#3) | Nanook | 13 (11) | Molefan, paulwhoisaghost, crazypunker | Pollux Oil, roxis | | Hal Briston | 9 (9) | Pollux Oil | paulwhoisaghost, crazypunker, shaggy | | Parzival | 5 (5) | | | | KidVermicious | 3 (3) | | Molefan | crazypunker | peekercpa | 3 (3) | shaggy | | | shaggy | 1 (1) | | | shaggy | crazypunker | 1 (1) | | | paulwhoisaghost | Natlaw | 1 (1) | | | Pollux Oil | Molefan | 1 (1) | |   | molefan |
Not Voting: Hal Briston, Hoopy Frood, Kat, KidVermicious, Nanook, Natlaw, Parzival, molefan, peekercpa
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Day 4
Feb 18, 2009 11:27:54 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Feb 18, 2009 11:27:54 GMT -5
Don't you have the option of doing nothing with the power anyway? I wouldn't take a chance with any scum power when you don't know what it does and it likely won't be very pro-town anyways. The choice is yours, but I suggest you at least weight the option. Of course, first we need to lynch scum... Well, yeah. Thats why I didn't go anywhere with Eds block. I knew what it was, but didn't have anybody I felt sure enough about. Very few powers are inherently pro- or anti-town. It's more in how you use them.
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Day 4
Feb 18, 2009 11:34:15 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Feb 18, 2009 11:34:15 GMT -5
Well this is unexpected. Parzival, Natlaw, KidV? Got any opinions on this latest state of affairs? Yeah, I think the dogpile on Nanook stinks. Look, it's how the guy plays, it's a NULL TELL. Ya'll aren't going to change his mind by voting for him, and if you just want him out of the way, well, be honest about it. Hal also, to a certain extent. I've seen him as Town and as Scum, and his participation is streaky. That doesn't mean I like it, it makes him hard to get a handle on, but it doesn't make him scum. We HAVE to lynch scum here, guys. If we're not at lylo right now, we will be shortly. I don't think chasing lurkers is a sure enough bet at this point in the game.
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Day 4
Feb 18, 2009 11:49:36 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Feb 18, 2009 11:49:36 GMT -5
Molefan, could you be more specific about what happened when your investigation of Nanook failed? That sounds a lot like what happened to somebody else (Kat?), I'd like to see if she agrees. Also, I thought that statement to Roxis read a little off-center... I'm glad you said something about it, because I was about to use that and your failure to answer me as part of a case against you. Out of curiosity, considering that Sach had been after Roxis, and then Sach showed up dead and you told Roxis you were defending her, why is it suspicious that I caught your breadcrumb? Why do you think scum would be more likely to see that?
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Day 4
Feb 18, 2009 11:58:07 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Feb 18, 2009 11:58:07 GMT -5
Matter of fact, I'm going to put my money where my mouth is. If Nanook does happen to come back scum at some point, I'm sure I'll be next. Odds are he's not, though, and I'm fairly certain scum are trying to take advantage of his reticence to drive another mislynch. There's going to be at least one scum among Molefan, Crazy, and Paul, and since I'm already suspicious of two of them...
1. Molefan 2. Crazypunker 3. Paulwhoisaghost [/color]
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Day 4
Feb 18, 2009 12:49:45 GMT -5
Post by roxis on Feb 18, 2009 12:49:45 GMT -5
I don't know why Roxis didn't send me a stronger signal that she understood my hint. ...Oh. xD Actually, pedescribe sent me a PM about it in the middle of the day (he forgot to send it earlier), so I don't think I knew about it when you posted that.
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Day 4
Feb 18, 2009 12:53:09 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 18, 2009 12:53:09 GMT -5
Molefan, could you be more specific about what happened when your investigation of Nanook failed? That sounds a lot like what happened to somebody else (Kat?), I'd like to see if she agrees. Also, I thought that statement to Roxis read a little off-center... I'm glad you said something about it, because I was about to use that and your failure to answer me as part of a case against you. Out of curiosity, considering that Sach had been after Roxis, and then Sach showed up dead and you told Roxis you were defending her, why is it suspicious that I caught your breadcrumb? Why do you think scum would be more likely to see that? I was told via PM that my Pikmin hadn't been able to find Nanook. It didn't say whether they'd survived or not, but my Pikmin count was down to 2 today. I get told by PM what my Pikmin count is every day or night. I've never had confirmation of whether or not my protection targets have been attacked. And yes, it did occur to me that Kat also wasn't able to "find" somebody. Could be the same target or the same role that was blocking us both, I don't know. Well, you noticing my breadcrumb isn't suspicious at all in itself (both scum and townies would be looking for clues at that point - scum to power roles, townies to scum.) Voting a claimed, confirmed protective role on the other hand... there are very few absolutes when it comes to this game, but "don't lynch the doc" is up there. FTR I never said that you noticing my breadcrumbing was suspicious in itself. The only thing that worried me was that if you were scum, you might draw conclusions from it about my role later on. That's the second time you've pointed out something I've supposedly found "suspicious" when I haven't claimed anything of the sort. Unvote everyone.
1: Vote Kid Vermicious. 2: Vote Nanook. 3: Vote Hoopy Frood. (Placeholder, because I have a feeling that if I'm right about KidV and Nanook,
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Day 4
Feb 18, 2009 12:54:35 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 18, 2009 12:54:35 GMT -5
Let me finish that post before clicking "Post" by accident... If I'm right, I don't want to leave any stray votes on me.
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Day 4
Feb 18, 2009 13:04:08 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Feb 18, 2009 13:04:08 GMT -5
Jesus, Molefan.
You said:
And you don't understand how I parsed that as increasing your suspicion of me? I tell what I don't understand, is why you keep bringing shit up in an accusatory manner, only to act all confused and "I didn't mean it THAT way" as soon as I ask you to clarify.
You're no more confirmed than I am, BTW... you've claimed a power and a breadcrumb, same as me. So if that confirms you, then I'll assume I'm confirmed in your mind as well.
Or is this another case where we're to believe your claim because you say it's true?
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Day 4
Feb 18, 2009 13:10:53 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 18, 2009 13:10:53 GMT -5
Ahem... well, last time, I hadn't had a chance to give anybody lollipops. This time, I've protected two people and communicated it to them at least twice over before either of them mentioned it. So yeah, I think my role at least is pretty much confirmed.
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Day 4
Feb 18, 2009 13:13:05 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Feb 18, 2009 13:13:05 GMT -5
On night two I protected Hoopy with two Pikmin. One of them was purple, giving him a 75% chance of survival. Again, I got a red Pikmin back. The next day I posted the "Dig Dug" thing, where I specifically asked Hoopy and Roxis if they were fans of the game. A few posts later Hoopy promptly told everyone, scum included, that he'd woken up outside in a hole, and Roxis pointed out that she'd had basically the same thing happen to her as well. As "facepalm" moments go, that was a biggie. On a side note - Hoopy, what the hell were you thinking? And when you suggested Sinjin was responsible, was that just to take the emphasis off me or did you genuinely not realise that it was me who'd protected you? The latter. I completely missed the breadcrumb and didn't even think of looking for one. (Then again, I think this is probably the first time I've ever been protected by anyone who had color to their protections. The only other time I've been doc protected was Nanook in SMB, story having gotten his night action in late in Arkham.) Had I noticed the bread crumb, I wouldn't have said anything. Mea culpa.But I didn't wake up in a hole. I woke up with a shield of dirt in my room, which is why I thought it might be Sinjin (she had a shield on her). But I think the difference between Roxis and I is that Roxis has night actions, I didn't. So I never left my room. So her color from your protection could easily be different. Once again, sorry about missing the breadcrumb.
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Day 4
Feb 18, 2009 13:19:12 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 18, 2009 13:19:12 GMT -5
On night two I protected Hoopy with two Pikmin. One of them was purple, giving him a 75% chance of survival. Again, I got a red Pikmin back. The next day I posted the "Dig Dug" thing, where I specifically asked Hoopy and Roxis if they were fans of the game. A few posts later Hoopy promptly told everyone, scum included, that he'd woken up outside in a hole, and Roxis pointed out that she'd had basically the same thing happen to her as well. As "facepalm" moments go, that was a biggie. On a side note - Hoopy, what the hell were you thinking? And when you suggested Sinjin was responsible, was that just to take the emphasis off me or did you genuinely not realise that it was me who'd protected you? The latter. I completely missed the breadcrumb and didn't even think of looking for one. (Then again, I think this is probably the first time I've ever been protected by anyone who had color to their protections. The only other time I've been doc protected was Nanook in SMB, story having gotten his night action in late in Arkham.) Had I noticed the bread crumb, I wouldn't have said anything. Mea culpa.But I didn't wake up in a hole. I woke up with a shield of dirt in my room, which is why I thought it might be Sinjin (she had a shield on her). But I think the difference between Roxis and I is that Roxis has night actions, I didn't. So I never left my room. So her color from your protection could easily be different. Once again, sorry about missing the breadcrumb. Yeah, sorry, didn't mean to snap at ya. Happens.
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Day 4
Feb 18, 2009 13:33:00 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Feb 18, 2009 13:33:00 GMT -5
Votes: Player | Vote 1 | Vote 2 | Vote 3 | KidVermicious | molefan | crazypunker | paulwhoisaghost | Pollux Oil | Hal Briston | Nanook | Natlaw | paulwhoisaghost | Nanook | Hal Briston | crazypunker | crazypunker | Nanook | Hal Briston | KidVermicious | molefan | KidVermicious | Nanook | Hoopy Frood | roxis | | Nanook | | shaggy | peekercpa | Hal Briston | shaggy |
Totals: Votee | Total | Voters (#1) | Voters (#2) | Voters (#3) | Nanook | 12 (10) | paulwhoisaghost, crazypunker | Pollux Oil, molefan, roxis | | Hal Briston | 9 (9) | Pollux Oil | paulwhoisaghost, crazypunker, shaggy | | KidVermicious | 4 (4) | molefan | | crazypunker | crazypunker | 3 (3) | | KidVermicious | paulwhoisaghost | molefan | 3 (3) | KidVermicious | | | peekercpa | 3 (3) | shaggy | | | shaggy | 1 (1) | | | shaggy | Natlaw | 1 (1) | | | Pollux Oil | paulwhoisaghost | 1 (1) | | | KidVermicious | Hoopy Frood | 1 (1) | | | molefan |
Not Voting: Hal Briston, Hoopy Frood, Kat, Nanook, Natlaw, Parzival, peekercpa --FCOD
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Day 4
Feb 18, 2009 14:25:52 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Feb 18, 2009 14:25:52 GMT -5
I disagree with Peek about LTL. I think that later in the game the scum might try to hide more. Especially with all of the mislynches thus far. I think they will be content to let us talk it out and decide to vote people based on the small amount of information that we already have rather than give us more. First is Nanook. He has only 5 posts per day, but WTF? That is no reason to just post 1 time yesterday and not post at all (yet) today. It seems like a very convenient fake post restriction more than an actual post restriction. Care to comment Nanook? Vote Nanook 1I am beginning to wonder where Hal is as well. Vote Hal 2This is almost word for word the reasoning that I gave for voting them. Didn't see that Roxis had posted yet... So what did she state for reasoning? Vote 2 NanookI hate to me-too, but I agree with everything that's been said thus far. I voted him third yesterday (as did several other people), and he responded to say he has a post restriction, but I don't know why he hasn't checked in at all. ORLY? So punk... you just me too'd a me too. Your not really helping disprove the case I made against you... Crazypunker- For someone who usually has a lot to say, you haven't posted much toDay. In fact, all I can remember off the top of my head that you have posted is a crackpot theory about 2 mad bombers. Besides, someone has to get the third vote. Granted it was a third vote... but still. So... now your recent activity consists of a crackpot theory... defending the crackpot theory... and then me too'ing a me too. Let's try a little harder, k buddy?
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Day 4
Feb 18, 2009 14:45:12 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Feb 18, 2009 14:45:12 GMT -5
Ahem... well, last time, I hadn't had a chance to give anybody lollipops. This time, I've protected two people and communicated it to them at least twice over before either of them mentioned it. So yeah, I think my role at least is pretty much confirmed. Food for thought.... this comes very close to confirming your power.... but not your alignment.
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Day 4
Feb 18, 2009 15:02:02 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Feb 18, 2009 15:02:02 GMT -5
Yeah, I think the dogpile on Nanook stinks. Look, it's how the guy plays, it's a NULL TELL. Ya'll aren't going to change his mind by voting for him, and if you just want him out of the way, well, be honest about it. We HAVE to lynch scum here, guys. If we're not at lylo right now, we will be shortly. I don't think chasing lurkers is a sure enough bet at this point in the game. So, if this were any other game and the guy didnt have a post restriction to hide behind, you wouldn't find it odd that he only posted once in day 3 and not at all today? The fact that he has a post restriction should not be a reason to not post at all... " Look, it's how the guy plays, it's a NULL TELL." How he plays? More like how he doesn't play. You're stressing the fact that we have to find Scum. I'm suggesting the fact that the people who arent trying at all might be the scum. Still, I'll post something I have been contemplating about my vote on Nanook. Assuming that he is scum, whose to say his post restriction doesnt extend to the scum boards? That could be what is eating up all of his posts. I mean, day 3 he only posted once, and that was to defend himself. Then Night 3 he posted quite a few more times. So it isn't just the way he plays. Further more, if you think LtL is a bad move, then how does lynch the people who want to lynch the lurker sound to you. Which is pretty much your reasoning for voting punker and myself. Again, at least we are I am trying to find scum, Nanook and Hal aren't even trying. So in absence of reasoning for voting someone that actually makes sense to me, my votes will remain where they are. And your right, when Nanook turns up scum, you will be the first person I vote.
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Day 4
Feb 18, 2009 15:06:18 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Feb 18, 2009 15:06:18 GMT -5
Let's start my vote choice with a summary of the living players: Hoopy Frood, Ice Climbers: With Nana turning up town, I think we safely say Hoopy is confirmed town. roxis, Pokémon Trainer: So far no reason to not believe his claim and as SCUM Ivysaur would be imbalanced (extra SCUM kills). Parzival, Diddy Kong: I doubt a SCUM monkey would assist Parzival, unless they are both scum. As a SCUM power, it would have no drawback, since he would always assist his buddies. Pollux Oil, Dr. Mario: While I find his role suspicious as it would provide SCUM with cover roles, I'm currently leaning town on him. Because if SCUM then they took a gamble giving the staff to TDPatriots (Town Empath), betting he wouldn't be protected to get their Night kill through. His info on the trophyfy gun put my fear about it being an extra kill to rest and is pro-town, however, it is in itself also not anti-scum to reveal it I think. paulwhoisaghost, Mr. Game & Watch: Not sure about him, his power would be very useful to SCUM, but then the N1 hit on Parzival doesn't make sense (N3 it does to appear townie after narrowly avoiding a lynch). shaggy, Solid Snake: A living bomb power look best balanced for town, but he used it in a suspicious way. Giving it to a PFK who's win condition might be to rank up a number of kills is not out of the picture. pedescribe did not confirm that the PFK needs to survive alone, only that he must be dead for town and SCUM to win. Point in favor is that pede confirmed his dodge doesn't protect him anymore (except that shaggy's claim was after that statement). So I thik he might be the imposter, but we can't afford to lynch him I think. molefan1981, Captain Olimar: His powers are pretty much confirmed, especially if Kat reveals who she targeted. Since I lean town on his protection targets, molefan is probably town as well. KidVermicious, Meta Knight: I don't think him pointing out molefans breadcrumb is scummy in itself. Both clashed earlier, so I can understand KidV looking closely at molefan, and mole doing a bit of OMGUS there. Meta Knight is a limited backup, but I can see it as a SCUM power (as town would avoid lynching powerful roles). There also seem to be a lot of duplicate town roles out there, so would a backup really be added as well? Previously I was more suspicious of molefan between the two of them though. crazypunker22: Not really a feel of him, I'll need to check up on him. Hal Briston: I noticed him for figuring aubby's power out (wrong about the killing, but that it was an attack instead of an investigation like I thought). I still think misterblockey was being not helpful by calling out Mr. Game & Watch, but not enlightening the rest what that could imply. But looking at Hals other posts, most of them are questions except when he votes. So better recheck those posts. Kat: Not really a ringing a bell either, expect that she was sick somewhere around Day One - not really useful, so she joins the list of players to check. Nanook: He seems to think five means one. It might be his style, but now he also is hiding at Night. I've a bad feeling about his intentions... peekercpa: Hoopy accused him of posting mostly fluff and peeker disagreed. I think peeker had some content post early in the game, but lately it seems to have dropped off and there are a lot of 'video games characters? In my time we played pong!' posts. Up hill, in the snow and a sheep on a tether to keep warm .
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Day 4
Feb 18, 2009 15:08:42 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Feb 18, 2009 15:08:42 GMT -5
You wouldn't have known this, but I'm actually a strong proponent of LTL. Just not right now. We're too far behind.
My point regarding Nanook is that coming in with infrequent comments is how he plays, whether he's scum, town, or 3rd party. I've seen him play all three, and his modus operandi hasn't changed once. I wish it would, I wish he'd play more (current claimed post restriction notwithstanding), but disagreeing with his playing style isn't a valid reason to vote for him. He plays like this no matter what his alignment is, ergo NANOOK LURKING IS NOT A SCUM TELL.
Having said that, he gets heat for it every game. I'm strongly reminded of my behavior towards Peeker in Marvel... I went after him strongly, because I had his "antitown" actions to cover my real agenda. I think at least one of you pushing the Nanook lynch is doing the same thing.
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Day 4
Feb 18, 2009 15:12:41 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Feb 18, 2009 15:12:41 GMT -5
EBWOP - previous is for Paul, of course.
*shakes fist at Natlaw*
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Day 4
Feb 18, 2009 15:30:58 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Feb 18, 2009 15:30:58 GMT -5
So in absence of reasoning for voting someone that actually makes sense to me, my votes will remain where they are. And your right, when Nanook turns up scum, you will be the first person I vote. Did you just say, in effect, "in the absence of a real reason to vote for somebody"? Because thats how I parsed that.
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Day 4
Feb 18, 2009 16:03:06 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Feb 18, 2009 16:03:06 GMT -5
I misremembered: it was Pollux de Fuego who did the accusing. peekers post seem to be more about game strategy than on finding SCUM. Today his posts were about: -SCUM having enough time by now to make fake role PMs Sure, but fake still means there can be errors to catch and since we had a couple of more claims now, a mass claim looks OK to me. -That lynch the lurker is not good at this point in the game. True, but if there is a scum lurker that also gives a nice defense not to lynch them -Dings when crazypunker wonders what is behind the non-letal attacks on Kat and himself. He gives some info, but perhaps he can explain this cryptic comment: I know I spoke up for some but am now having some migivings. -Responds to Pollux and adds some content about shaggy and paul probably being town. Good, but had to be called out to do it. -That we can't afford to lynch the PFK -Rest mostly fluff except for this post - was asked about it, but I didn't see an anwser yet: Not that these are all anti-town by themselves, but if that is what most of your posts are, it becomes a bit too convenient. So for now: 2. Double vote for peekercpa
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Day 4
Feb 18, 2009 16:38:14 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Feb 18, 2009 16:38:14 GMT -5
Doing a quick reread of crazypunker and Kat!, their posts mostly seem town to me. I really like to hear from Kat if she targeted Nanook last Night. If not, it either was a mass power block/protect like Chucara claimed, or maybe an mass or amplified redirect (iirc Parzival claimed he assisted a random player, but didn't know who? Need to check).
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Day 4
Feb 18, 2009 17:15:13 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Feb 18, 2009 17:15:13 GMT -5
So Hal Briston next: That doesn't add up for me at all. I don't know why you would make up a story about not being able to vote, but I don't believe it to be true. Vote 1: brokentreeIn between roxis reveals Snorlax blocking brokentree's votes, then Hal posts the following and unvotes, but doesn't mention Snorlax at all: The other thing is, as mentioned earlier, the weak reasoning for his Day Three votes. First he votes like this: Vote 1: paulwhoisaghost -- Reiteration vote. Vote 2: Nanook -- I don't have a big problem with low participation, if it's for a reason. If you're a vanilla townie with no one standing out to you, I can see being frustrated and not talking much. Personally, I'd rather see you try and bait scum into nightkilling you, but that's not always an easy thing to do without messing with town as well. What I don't like is total non-participation. Nanook has been logged in -- as recently as this afternoon -- but hasn't said a damn thing in a week, real-time. Unacceptable. Vote 3: Hal Briston -- Placeholder vote. A day later he changes his second vote to Chucara and his third to shaggy, but doesn't mention Pollux pointing him out for not voting Chucara like he did Day Two. Nanook has explained himself, and I'm willing to go along with his claim. So, in his place goes yesterday's #2. I voted Aubby because her posts read very much like scum in over their head. No reason to think anything has changed (besides the person in that role). Vote 2: Chucara So aubby reads very much like scum, except here is what Hal said Day Two: My point is this -- my gut tells me that a new player acting out of frustration the way aubby did is likely town...then I remember where my gut leads, and that place is full of crap. I don't know if aubby is town or not, but I can definitely see her being frustrated scum. And if not, well, better we lynch unhappy/subbed town than in-this-'til-the-end town. 2. Vote aubbyHere aubby is likely town, but Hal could also see it as scum. What changed that to the more certain scummy a Day later? Perhaps Hal was keeping options open Day Two, but didn't want to be seen doing that Day Three. Hal did help figure out the Judgement Hammer attack, but scum would also be interested in that. So my first vote goes to: 1. Triple vote for Hal BristonI do note my votes and the players I looked at more closely are the ones that haven't claimed yet - but that is another point for the mass claim, to determine better which are false or SCUM ones. It isn't unlikely that one of the already claimed is SCUM and I find KidV's power to be the most dubious at the moment, but that is not the best reason to vote I think, so only 3. Single vote for KidVermiciousAlso it's getting late here in Europe and I was hoping to see posts by Nanook and Kat before doing the following, but Tomorrow it might be too late...
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Day 4
Feb 18, 2009 17:17:22 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Feb 18, 2009 17:17:22 GMT -5
Zelda's Diary Day Four
Oh dear, dear Sheik - where did it go wrong?
First you start with casting a spell each morning to hide what you did at Night. Maybe you were out helping Link and wanted to spare me any gruesome details of your fights together. Maybe you just wished me a peaceful Night... But now Dr. Mario identified Links body! Even his toony reflection turned up SMASHED! AND HE WAS PROTECTING US!
I can no longer hide our secret! I gave you some chance to explain yourself during the Day, but you don't even try!!
What do you have on your conscience to fear Pikmin?! You should try to shelter those poor creatures at Night - but none, none I say, none returned!!!
A girls diary is sacred, but you probably told the rest of those mutinous smashers all of it! I'll show it to the rest, maybe someone can help you on the right path, but I fear this will be the end...
... for both of us
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Day 4
Feb 18, 2009 17:20:12 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Feb 18, 2009 17:20:12 GMT -5
Did you just claim Zelda?
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Day 4
Feb 18, 2009 17:28:20 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Feb 18, 2009 17:28:20 GMT -5
Zelda's diary, Day Two (Day one is ripped out!!, I'll never figure out what I did that Day)Of course, Sheik, we're in this body together or did you forget? You might make me forget what it is you do at Night, but I do remember what happens at Day, even if the power-that-be-pede choose to erase this letter to me:oh Zelda, are you out there? Why was King Dedede calling out to me as well? Please tell me you haven't associated with those SCUM at Night?!Zelda's diary, Day ThreeWell thank Og. There was a mention of Zelda somewhere. At least someone did notice you Sheik! But why didn't he ask the rest why Sheik and Dedede were mentioning me? I suspect he is part of your mutiny .
I might have to share my situation with everyone, since perhaps when the rest of the SCUM is smashed, we can be turn you around Sheik. If not, a KO for him is one for me, but if that is what it takes...Somewhere else in Zelda's diary, for some reason written in third personEnd of Zelda's dairy.
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Day 4
Feb 18, 2009 17:29:03 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on Feb 18, 2009 17:29:03 GMT -5
You know what drives me insane? This almost lemming like fascination with numbers. Let me ask you all a serious question. Answer it or not, I'm starting to really not care anymore, but at least think about it some. If I had posted EXACTLY the same things I have so far in this(minusing the bit about the post restriction of course), but instead had done so in 10, 15, or whatever posts rather than 1-2 big ones, would ANY of you be voting for me? Blam, as one example, regularly does massive post dumps where he responds to lots of different things all at once, spread out over mulitple posts, and yet he rarely gets yelled at for lurking. Does spreading it out really make that big a freaking difference to people? I'm not going to start posting peeker or Santo style with post counts that head towards triple digits on Day 1. It's just not going to happen. It is not who I am. If you all really have an issue with this, and if this is going to continue to come up in every damn game I play, just tell me now so I know not to bother anymore. Now that that's out of the way, on to Today's stuff. Town surrogate dead. Hoopy claims it. No counter claims. I don't understand anyone claiming there is even a CHANCE he could be scum or PFK at this point. Such a role in the hands of a non-town player would be game breaking in anything that isn't gastard mafia(waves at the obviously innocent townie). That does bring up a funny question. Do you just naturally gravitate to mason type roles or what Hoopy? I mean yeah, you weren't actually a mason in this game, but really, for all intents and purposes you were. You were a basically vanilla townie that was confirmable. That's pretty much the textbook definition of a mason. No real content to this point, more of a humorous(to me at least) observation. The whole, peeker and Kat did not die overnight thing is weird. A Vig or SK role with a chance to fail maybe? I got nothing here. My first thought regarding Shaggy was that he was our PFK, but I see that Solid Snake does in fact appear in the SSB franchise. I would guess the impostor is someone or something more like Predator or Freddy Kreuger from the Evil Dead game, a character that doesn't belong in the universe at all. Sure, Solid Snake could be a cover role I suppose, but I just can't see a mod giving confirmation to a cover role in the fashion that Pede did. The PM I recieved had no mention of water or ice. If it had been Squirtle then there would have been water or ice left behind. Why would you assume that? That would be pretty damn close to mod confirmation of Roxis's claim, and I don't believe Pede would do such a thing. Heh and reading farther along, I see that he says exactly that, though in reference to killing instead of other actions. I can't see him differentiating between the two however. It's too much work to do real quotes this way, so the rest of my post will have quotes done the quick and dirty way. Or C, that you are lying about who you target. Funny that you left that option out. Regarding Shaggy's claim, I buy it. Hey we all have bad games where we make bad decisions. It's not a reason to lynch someone. I mean hell, in one game I outted myself as doc to stick up for someone who turned out to be scum. Not my finest moment let me tell you. Man, reading over this thread I see a whole lot of people seeming to ignore the fairly basic principle of "or they could be lying". Paul does it up there, and Natlaw does it here. Or Pollux could be lying. That's not to say he is, because I don't know that, but neither do you. Your post sure sounds like you're taking his word as truth though. Perhaps you know something we don't? You do it again a few posts later by the way. Once again assuming that Pollux is telling the truth about his role and his discoveries. I am personally leaning towards believing him at this point(maybe 60/40ish), but you seem to be taking his information as gospel. Are you familiar with the term perfect information syndrome? You sure seem to be displaying some here. I'm not sure what that vote analysis was supposed to accomplish, or even what it means really. If you revisit this in the future, some clarification would be helpful. Paul, seriously, you need to stop. You play your damn role, and I'll play mine. I didn't ask for this stupid ass restriction, and I'm doing what I can to work with it. I'm not going to bite on getting sucked into a back and forth with you, or anyone else. That's just asking for the scum to get a free kill. And before anyone jumps on me for not wanting to die to my PR, it is NOT the same as say the Shaggy situation. My death via PR would be a bonus mislynch for the scum. This is BAD for Town, and it is anti-town, pro-scum to be pushing for anything that might cause it to happen. All the speculation regarding the PFK and what he might or might not do to prolong the game hinges entirely on what same PFK's win condition is. Unless and until said PFK is willing to claim, we don't know. Obviously, considering the way the game has gone so far, we need to concentrate on scum. But this idea that the PFK will allow us to keep going even if we mislynch our way into and past LYLO is asking for complacency to set in. Dude, KidV, really? Please read what I wrote above. There is no chance that Hoopy is anything other than Town in a non-gastard game. And I don't believe for a second this is a gastard game. About your role claim, I'm not sure I buy it. Gaining powers but not know what they are? I could see scum, or mayyybe PFK getting that, but it just seems to worthless for a Townie. Combined with other things, you're pinging me. I wonder if this whole PFK thing is a red herring at this point. Has anyone considered the posibility that Sach was the third party impostor? A bomber role fits that pretty well. Pollux, really? Lynch the lurkers at this stage of the game? That's just insane. I just don't see us being in a position where we can really afford to lynch solely for informational purposes. If you want to back that vote up with a reason, beyond my PR, that I'm scum I'll be happy to discuss it with you, within the limits that I have. Man it seems everyone disagrees with me regarding KidV's claim. Why do you all find it so believable? The metagame thing about the scum board just isn't doing it for me. A mass claim doesn't seem like a terrible idea. I'm not sure how effective it will be, since we don't really seem to have any standard roles and no one seems vanilla. On the other hand, I don't see that it will necessarily hurt any either. Molefan, of course you couldn't find me. I'm a ninja after all. Speaking of molefan, I don't see any reason to disbelieve his claim. Those breadcrumbs are actually pretty good, almost Hal way back in Mafia is Recruiting good. (Or maybe Hal was the recipient. I forget now, it was a fairly early game.) So in between attacking me as a lurker, now you're talking vague smudge swipes at a claimed protector/investigator that has semi-public confirmation, including the one confirmed person we have. Uh huh. You're missing the fact Paul that I DON'T only make one post when I don't have a post restriction. I may not make a lot of posts, but I don't do singleton ones either. Plus, see my intial comments. And lynch the lynch the lurker group is actually a solid plan considering the game state. It is VERY likely that there are scum pushing those lynches, and that's what who we need to lynch right now. I didn't do ANYTHING to the pikmin. Zelda, you should be helping me out here.
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Day 4
Feb 18, 2009 17:33:33 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Feb 18, 2009 17:33:33 GMT -5
Haha, Sheik, we really do share the same body with that simul post! ;D
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Day 4
Feb 18, 2009 17:38:07 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Feb 18, 2009 17:38:07 GMT -5
I know I am town and am pretty sure Nanook is Sheik and SCUM: -Calling out to Zelda like he did on Day Two as town makes no sense, but does as scum so they know who Zelda is and so don't kill or lynch both me and Nanook by accident -special ed repeated his call out in a response to me, I don't think that was random spam. -peekercpa brought it up subtly Day Three, I would expect a town to more openly ask what Nanook meant then peeker did. -since Sheik mostly likely knew my no-posting-at-Night restriction, the other candidates where: Rysto (no posts N1, one at N2 and he died) and Hal Briston (no posts N1/2/3, not challenged by Ed Day Two, but Hal didn't have a post to respond to afaik). Ultimately our alignments don't matter, since we die together (unless you think we're both town or both SCUM, which I think unlikely from a balance point of view). I started to play a bit aggressive Day Two to either: -choose right and lynch a scum (was wrong twice ) -generate a bandwagon for scum to jump onto to analyze later -perhaps cause a bandwagon on myself which SCUM might try to stop to spare Nanook. I'm not sure it is prudent to reveal my powers yet, but willing to reasons why I should. My actual plan was to claim Tomorrow (last Day we could safely mislynch), but since both molefan and perhaps Kat! targeted Sheik or me, I thought it better to do Today. My plan of action was this: He! Mister or madam Serial Killer! Do I have I got your attention, imposter? I doubt you can resist a double kill, no? There is no rush to do it Tonight, but I promise to keep my door unlocked on Night Five onwards! Sheik might take me sleepwalking, so I hope you can track me. Backup plan is for roxis to get Ivysaur out and shoot some seeds at us. However, there seems to be a snag in the plan: I do not know why people are unable to find Nanook at Night. It might be limited to investigations only (as those deal with the mind), but it might be something else. So you need to either target me (we share the same body, so might not be able to find me either) or we need to lynch Sheik or me Tomorrow at the latest. If KidVermicious is telling the truth and is town, I think my power would be more useful, though I do not know Sheiks powers.
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