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Day 4
Feb 19, 2009 9:19:40 GMT -5
Post by roxis on Feb 19, 2009 9:19:40 GMT -5
Vote 1 Hal BristonI was going to vote him number 2 when I unvoted Nanook, but the guy still hasn't come in to defend himself. I wouldn't call it a Lynch the Lurker vote, because if he's lurking, that's just fine. But really, the allegations against him are pretty strong, but he hasn't said a peep. If he's not scum, then I apologize, but I honestly think he is. Vote 2 KidVReally? Voting Molefan #1? I'm pretty sure the guy's being honest. You voted him after his claim, but all the evidence points to him being Olimar. Granted, that says nothing of his alignment, but if he were scum, he likely wouldn't have protected Hoopy or I. What if one of us were the PFK? I doubt scum would take that chance. Vote 3 PolluxNot just picking on you anymore. Really, I'm leaning heavily toward town on you based on your actions, but your role just seems...well, almost useless for town. The only thing we've learned has been information about the trophy gun. I just have this nagging suspicion that your role could be used for providing cover roles. It's the lowest level of vote though - and I don't have any other candidate. The other two that are picking up votes ( peeker and punker), I'm not really getting any tell one way or the other on. So...really just a warning that I'm keeping my eye on you.
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Day 4
Feb 19, 2009 9:24:33 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Feb 19, 2009 9:24:33 GMT -5
Day ends at 8:00pm Eastern, or about 10.5 hours from now.Votes: Player | Vote 1 | Vote 2 | Vote 3 | Hoopy Frood | Hal Briston | peekercpa | crazypunker | Kat | KidVermicious | peekercpa | | KidVermicious | molefan | crazypunker | paulwhoisaghost | Natlaw | Hal Briston | peekercpa | KidVermicious | Parzival | peekercpa | Hal Briston | Natlaw | Pollux Oil | crazypunker | KidVermicious | Hal Briston | paulwhoisaghost | Nanook | Hal Briston | crazypunker | crazypunker | KidVermicious | Hal Briston | crazypunker | molefan | KidVermicious | Hal Briston | peekercpa | roxis | Hal Briston | KidVermicious | Pollux Oil | shaggy | peekercpa | Hal Briston | shaggy |
Totals: Votee | Total | Voters (#1) | Voters (#2) | Voters (#3) | Hal Briston | 20 (20) | Hoopy Frood, Natlaw, roxis | Parzival, paulwhoisaghost, crazypunker, molefan, shaggy | Pollux Oil | KidVermicious | 14 (11) | Kat, crazypunker, molefan | Pollux Oil, roxis | Natlaw | peekercpa | 13 (11) | Parzival, shaggy | Hoopy Frood, Kat, Natlaw | molefan | crazypunker | 8 (8) | Pollux Oil | KidVermicious | Hoopy Frood, paulwhoisaghost, crazypunker | Nanook | 3 (3) | paulwhoisaghost | | | molefan | 3 (3) | KidVermicious | | | shaggy | 1 (1) | | | shaggy | Pollux Oil | 1 (1) | | | roxis | paulwhoisaghost | 1 (1) | | | KidVermicious | Natlaw | 1 (1) | | | Parzival |
Not Voting: Hal Briston, Nanook, peekercpa --FCOD
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Feb 19, 2009 11:33:39 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Feb 19, 2009 11:33:39 GMT -5
Well, since the impostor can to be trophyfied, the impostor isn't the one using the trophification device. It was also used on Rysto to take him out Night 2. It also is mentioned in the scum win condition and not the town. So why would you think someone else has it? Nanook has even admitted he attacks at night, and he was looking for Zelda so he wouldn't attack her (and thus Zelda would commit suicide). No, you misunderstood, I do believe the scum have it, but based on the Link role PM Pollux posted and the fact we haven't seen extra scum kills (or at least they are more logical sk/vig kills), I don't think it allows the SCUm extra Night kills, but it allows them to kill in a different way at Night.
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Day 4
Feb 19, 2009 12:14:31 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Feb 19, 2009 12:14:31 GMT -5
I don't think you've been lynched Day 1 yet. ;D Actually he was in the Gastard game. So...really just a warning that I'm keeping my eye on you. I've got my eye on you too. ---- Muhhhhh. Okay I retract my previous statement of guessing the four scum are Hal, crazypunker, KidV, and paul. Mostly based on voting pattern analysis. Let's see here. The following is the four unclaimed, plus the two claimants that I'm most suspicious of. Day 1paulwhoisabrokentree - Zeriel, MiteyMouse, Special Ed crazypunker - MiteyMouse, aubby, sinjin Hal Briston - Zeriel, MiteyMouse, Special Ed Kat - MiteyMouse, aubby, molefan KidVermicious - Zeriel, Special Ed, MiteyMouse peekercpa - Zeriel, Special Ed, MiteyMouse Day 2paulwhoisabrokentree - Special Ed, aubby (no third vote) crazypunker - Special Ed, shaggy, aubby Hal Briston - Special Ed, aubby, roxis Kat - Special Ed, aubby, shaggy KidVermicious - Special Ed, molefan, aubby peekercpa - Special Ed, shaggy, Natlaw Day 3paulwhoisabrokentree - Chucara, Natlaw, misterblockey (fake vote, couldn't actually vote) crazypunker - paulwhoisaghost, shaggy, Chucara Hal Briston - paulwhoisaghost, Chucara, shaggy Kat - paulwhoisaghost, shaggy, Chucara KidVermicious - molefan, aubby, KidVermicious (fake vote, was away all week) peekercpa - paulwhoisaghost, Chucara, peekercpa Day 4paulwhoisabrokentree - Nanook, Hal Briston, crazypunker crazypunker - KidVermicious, Hal Briston, crazypunker Hal Briston - not voting yet Kat - KidVermicious, peekercpa KidVermicious - molefan, crazypunker, paulwhoisaghost peekercpa - not voting yet --- Comparing the votes cast in this group of people...look how similar they are across the board. I mean, I would assume the scum would vary their votes somewhat, but on the other hand the way the suspicions and Days have gone so far, it's been very easy for them to hide and just vote for the top two or three suspects. What I'm particularly interested in is Day Three and I'm drawing from my own experience in the Batman game. When I was lynched Day Two, it was a two-horse race between me (a claimed roleblocker) and CatinaSuit (a caught Nightkiller, unconfirmed alignment). When the final results showed up, I was lynched...but my bandwagon consisted almost entirely of town players, while the bandwagon on CatinaSuit was basically all the scum and PFK in the game. Why is that? Because scum/PFK are clearly going to want to take out any Nightkill threat to them. (CatinaSuit was PFK.) So in a similar vein here, on Day Three, who would the scum want to lynch in a two-horse race between Chucara and paulwhoisaghost if both were non-scum? Clearly paulwhoisaghost, as at the time we were all suspecting him of having a possible mandatory Nightkill with his hammer. Chucara's massive roleblock could have been annoying, but he was trapped in an egg and effectively neutralized. Now crazypunker, Hal, and Kat all voted for paulwhoisaghost first and shaggy and Chucara in the second and third positions. Peekercpa voted paulwhoisaghost first as well. Based on this, I'm going to retract my feeling that paulwhoisaghost is scum. While I would expect at least one scum to vote for paul first, I don't like that all four of the unclaimed voted for him first when I feel there are at least two scum in that group. (For the record, I'm aware that Nanook didn't vote for paulwhoisaghost at all. My guess is he wasn't afraid of paulwhoisaghost since he's supposedly immune to Nightkills.) I'm still hesitant about lynching Hal when he's not claimed yet, but if he's not going to check in to defend himself there's not much anyone can do at this point. Either way.... Unvote All1. Vote KidVermicious 2. Vote crazypunker 3. Vote peekercpaI'm just rearranging my vote list in case Hal comes in later and has a hell of a role claim, as I'm not sure I'll be around for the end of the Day.
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Day 4
Feb 19, 2009 12:19:55 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Feb 19, 2009 12:19:55 GMT -5
OK first, a mild FoS on anyone who's ever referred to the Nanook bandwagon as "lynch the lurker". First off, we were almost certainly right, at least about his role being anti-town; and secondly, at least two of us - Paul and myself - had excellent reasons for voting Nanook based on his early posts (in my case) and his claimed post restriction (in Paul's). I don't see "lurking" being mentioned as a factor there. I'm almost positive that you've mentioned Nanooks lurking multiple times. I'll have to run back and check. And his current role doesn't matter, using his lack of participation as a scum-tell is wrong. Even a blind dog finds a bone once in a while. I've reviewed this thread again... I'm slowly coming around to the idea that molefans claimed and confirmed Night actions don't make a lick of sense for scum. Everything else he's doing screams scum to me, but I'll back off my vote for now. Unvote all 1. Hal 2. crazypunker 3. paulwhoisaghostHal is number one purely for self-defense reasons, the other two votes haven't changed.
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Day 4
Feb 19, 2009 12:27:49 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Feb 19, 2009 12:27:49 GMT -5
Not a bad theory, except ... how do you get a number one vote for me out of that?
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Day 4
Feb 19, 2009 12:56:33 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Feb 19, 2009 12:56:33 GMT -5
No, you misunderstood, I do believe the scum have it, but based on the Link role PM Pollux posted and the fact we haven't seen extra scum kills (or at least they are more logical sk/vig kills), I don't think it allows the SCUm extra Night kills, but it allows them to kill in a different way at Night. How do you explain the three town kills on Day 3, then? None of them made sense for any town killers to take out. But scum kill, SK, bonus scum kill makes perfect sense. And you make a good point with your observation, Pollux. Being one of the townies on your bandwagon back then, I'm reminded how surprised the mods were when they saw a bandwagon completely driven by townies. But I really don't see how it damns KidV who was absent that Day.
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Day 4
Feb 19, 2009 12:57:44 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Feb 19, 2009 12:57:44 GMT -5
Not a bad theory, except ... how do you get a number one vote for me out of that? Because I'm still suspicious of you? Your battling Hoopy and weird role-claiming time don't sit well with me. You weren't around to vote for paulwhoisaghost on Day 3 so while you don't fit in that analysis that doesn't mean I suddenly don't think you're scum. Plus, you're voting for him 3rd now...and you voting for Hal "in self-defense" doesn't help matters. I hate that reasoning and it's almost the same as shaggy blowing up misterblockey.
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Day 4
Feb 19, 2009 12:59:17 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Feb 19, 2009 12:59:17 GMT -5
Votes: Player | Vote 1 | Vote 2 | Vote 3 | Hoopy Frood | Hal Briston | peekercpa | crazypunker | Kat | KidVermicious | peekercpa | | KidVermicious | Hal Briston | crazypunker | paulwhoisaghost | Natlaw | Hal Briston | peekercpa | KidVermicious | Parzival | peekercpa | Hal Briston | Natlaw | Pollux Oil | KidVermicious | crazypunker | peekercpa | paulwhoisaghost | Nanook | Hal Briston | crazypunker | crazypunker | KidVermicious | Hal Briston | crazypunker | molefan | KidVermicious | Hal Briston | peekercpa | roxis | Hal Briston | KidVermicious | Pollux Oil | shaggy | peekercpa | Hal Briston | shaggy |
Totals: Votee | Total | Voters (#1) | Voters (#2) | Voters (#3) | Hal Briston | 22 (22) | Hoopy Frood, KidVermicious, Natlaw, roxis | Parzival, paulwhoisaghost, crazypunker, molefan, shaggy | | KidVermicious | 15 (12) | Kat, Pollux Oil, crazypunker, molefan | roxis | Natlaw | peekercpa | 14 (12) | Parzival, shaggy | Hoopy Frood, Kat, Natlaw | Pollux Oil, molefan | crazypunker | 7 (7) | | KidVermicious, Pollux Oil | Hoopy Frood, paulwhoisaghost, crazypunker | Nanook | 3 (3) | paulwhoisaghost | | | shaggy | 1 (1) | | | shaggy | Pollux Oil | 1 (1) | | | roxis | paulwhoisaghost | 1 (1) | | | KidVermicious | Natlaw | 1 (1) | | | Parzival |
Not Voting: Hal Briston, Nanook, peekercpa --FCOD
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Day 4
Feb 19, 2009 13:00:37 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Feb 19, 2009 13:00:37 GMT -5
How do you explain the three town kills on Day 3, then? None of them made sense for any town killers to take out. But scum kill, SK, bonus scum kill makes perfect sense. Not necessarily. We've had evidence of possible redirection, so the scum may have gotten lucky and redirected misterblockey to a different person.
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Day 4
Feb 19, 2009 13:07:02 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Feb 19, 2009 13:07:02 GMT -5
Plus, you're voting for him 3rd now...and you voting for Hal "in self-defense" doesn't help matters. I hate that reasoning and it's almost the same as shaggy blowing up misterblockey. I don't see how thats at all similiar. Shaggy had good reason to believe that whoever was targeting him was Town, if I remember correctly, and didn't HAVE to drop him. I have no reason at all to think Hal is Town, but I know I am, and I know my role is valuable, and it's looking more and more like him or me.
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Feb 19, 2009 14:36:22 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Feb 19, 2009 14:36:22 GMT -5
So the protectors might want to consider protecting Natlaw toNight, because if Nanook and Natlaw are both being truthful, Nanook can't be night killed. But Natlaw can. And the death of Natlaw will kill Nanook, who if the impostor will remove a large obstacle to scum (and give them essentially 2 kills toNight). I don't think it is a good idea to do that. Recap: Sheik and Zelda are two minds in one body. I control it during the Day (and in my pure selflessness and kindness allow Sheik five posts), Nanook controls it during the Night and totally suppresses me. That's means any physical actions at Night should be deflected by his ninja skills. I asked pede about it and investigations will distinguish between us, as they deal with the mind, but physical skills, like tracking and kills (and I guess the Pikmins), targeting me or Nanook would have the same effect. So we could die: -when we're attacked at Day -Nanook is bluffing about his Ninja skill (could have a failure rate) and we're attacked at Night -there are attacks that beat his skill, maybe the trophyfy gun or maybe a Diddy assist If he is not lying about his ninja skill, that does make him likely PFK, but also means we have to kill him, since he mostly immune to the SCUM kill. And then I rather not waste a lynch on it. I think molefan should definitely self protect to perhaps get a investigation in the future. How do you explain the three town kills on Day 3, then? None of them made sense for any town killers to take out. But scum kill, SK, bonus scum kill makes perfect sense. I can't, except for maybe a kill the lurker vig of Rysto, but although he didn't post much, he had two posts Night Two. And that's bad, we're currently at 10/4 town/scum I guess: If Nanook PFK, kills town or scum can get an extra kill with the gun and take us out Tonight: D5: 6/4 (LyLo) If Nanook scum, PFK kills us and scum one extra kill: D5: 6/3, D6: 4/3 (LyLo) Nanook PFK, kills and scum one extra kill D5: 6/4 (LyLo) -> lynching us would help survive another Day -> D6: 4/3 Let's say we let us live: Nanook PFK doesn't kill, scum one extra kill D5: 7/4, D6: 5/4 (LyLo) -> lynching us won't help (3/3 N6) What happens if in the end Sheik, one scum and me are left? If Nanook PFK, I think he will have met his win condition by them (his only clue so far is to escape me or get rid of me - if we're to believe him). If Nanook didn't have the Ninja dodge, I would have suggested roxis redirecting him on me or someone suspicious. Hal Briston, Nanook and peekercpa not voting is starting to ping me horribly...
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Feb 19, 2009 14:47:28 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Feb 19, 2009 14:47:28 GMT -5
Let me try again, counting is hard:
If Nanook PFK, kills town (+1) and scum can get an extra kill with the gun (+2) and take us out Tonight (+1), lynch (+1): D5: 5/4 (LyLo) (even with one kill less)
If Nanook scum, PFK kills us (+1/1) and scum one extra kill (+2), lynch (+1): D5: 6/3, D6: 4/3 (LyLo)
Let's say we let us live: Nanook PFK, kills town (+1) and scum one extra kill (+2), lynch (+1): D5: 6/4 (LyLo) -> lynching us would help survive another Day -> D6: 4/3
Nanook PFK doesn't kill, scum one extra kill (+2), lynch (+1) D5: 7/4, D6: 5/4 (LyLo) -> lynching us won't help (3/3 N6)
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Feb 19, 2009 15:05:24 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Feb 19, 2009 15:05:24 GMT -5
If there are some more specific questions that you need fleshed out, just let me know. Sure, if I read you right you thought paul might have been lying and molefans post got in between. However, you also spoke up for paul and shaggy and later said that I know I spoke up for some but am now having some migivings. So what is your opinion now on paul and you getting hammered (game wise!)? Do also have misgivings about shaggy or not?
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Day 4
Feb 19, 2009 15:23:08 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on Feb 19, 2009 15:23:08 GMT -5
In hindsight, I realize that my last post was overly harsh. While there is no incentive for me to "play town" as other outted PFKs have had, it's no reason to be a dick. I want to apologize to you all for that.
I think I'm going to keep talking to you Nat. It's just our special connection coming through. Plus it's kinda fun, and I've always felt Zelda was hot. Not as hot as the new chick from Twilight Princess, but still.
I pretty much assumed you were Town from the beginning. A scum/PFK lover pair just struck me as...weird. But I have to disagree with you assuming I was scum. As far I can remember, the only other time there were lovers in any game on the Dope or here, both members were Town. Died pretty early too. I want to say it was HockeyMonkey and someone, but I can't remember for sure. It was one of the early games on this board, maybe Asylum Lane.
You actually read Ed's spamming? I basically gave up on the thread once he really got going. Then again, my eyes then to glaze over when there's a lot of bullshit going on. The same thing happened to me in the Gastard game. I more or less gave up because there was a lot of bullshit going on regarding minigames and the like.
Seriously, I had NO clue you had a post restriction. I mean, it makes sense now that you bring it up, but I completely missed it. On the other hand, someone not posting at Night is not something I'm going to pay attention to. I regularly post nothing at all at Night, even in games with Night strategy. The only reason I posted as much then in this game is my restriction got lifted at Night. In retrospect, this should have been a clue.
Do any of you even care what I have to say at this point? I'm clearly not on your side, regardless of whether you believe me or not. Every single thing I say will have to be taken with a block of salt, since you don't(and won't) know my win condition. I promise not to go all Ed on you, but I don't know if I'll bother continuing. Unless Natlaw wants to me, but that's just cuz I can't resist Zelda.
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Feb 19, 2009 15:33:15 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Feb 19, 2009 15:33:15 GMT -5
I didn't read all of Eds posts, but did read the one where responded and extensively quoted me. Plus I just searched this forum for Zelda.
Well, you got two post left if you're not lying, so maybe you can tell us what you did the last few Nights? And why aren't you voting Today? Any tricks up your sleeve to pull of the coming Night?
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Day 4
Feb 19, 2009 15:49:09 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Feb 19, 2009 15:49:09 GMT -5
Nanook controls it during the Night and totally suppresses me. That's means any physical actions at Night should be deflected by his ninja skills. I asked pede about it and investigations will distinguish between us, as they deal with the mind, but physical skills, like tracking and kills (and I guess the Pikmins), targeting me or Nanook would have the same effect. So we could die: -when we're attacked at Day -Nanook is bluffing about his Ninja skill (could have a failure rate) and we're attacked at Night -there are attacks that beat his skill, maybe the trophyfy gun or maybe a Diddy assist Gotcha. I didn't understand that part. Thanks for the clarification.
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Day 4
Feb 19, 2009 15:57:42 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on Feb 19, 2009 15:57:42 GMT -5
While I *could* do the things you ask, I'm not going to. I'm not going to be an ass about it, but I still haven't completely given up hope yet.
As for not voting, I'm trying to come up with a vote that advances my own interests the most while not making it obvious what I'm trying to accomplish. Unlike everyone else in this game, I have no paticular need to either lynch scum or bus townies. It makes for quite a tight walk. I'll be saving my last post for voting if I can come up with something that meets my needs.
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Day 4
Feb 19, 2009 16:02:58 GMT -5
Post by Hal Briston on Feb 19, 2009 16:02:58 GMT -5
Hmmm...looks after being AFK for the past couple of days, I've got some catching up to do. Time to go see why I'm leading in the vote -- be back...
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Feb 19, 2009 16:09:55 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Feb 19, 2009 16:09:55 GMT -5
I'll add a bit more power to my peekercpa vote - since he is not voting. He maybe a post yesterday about trying to get on tonight, but then at least could have voted then. 3. unvote KidVermiciousNot sure his insistence to not trust Hoopy Frood is necessary scummy, need to reread the rest. Still not sure about his power, went back to recheck why no singing Today was heard, but then I remembered you were away IRL . 3. Single vote for Kat!Don't forget to complete your vote! And I wouldn't mind to hear a bit more about that your power 'could kill'. And speaking of that: something to discuss during the Night while I sleep: should the remaining four unclaimed players reveal Tomorrow?
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Day 4
Feb 19, 2009 16:16:18 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Feb 19, 2009 16:16:18 GMT -5
Fer fucks sake, I didn't say "LOOK OUT FOR HOOPY HE'S A LYING BASTARD". I just said I didn't feel he was 100% confirmed, and didn't want to proceed on that presumption. Ya'll feel he is 100% confirmed, I guess, and thats great. Democracy. Yay.
Please stop putting words in my mouth.
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Feb 19, 2009 16:21:07 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Feb 19, 2009 16:21:07 GMT -5
Don't puff yourself all up, Meta Knight! I was actually saying I didn't find it scummy per sé and unvoted, but maybe I used a double negative too many. The singing was about Chucara's JigglyPuff power you could have used if you weren't away.
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Feb 19, 2009 16:24:19 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Feb 19, 2009 16:24:19 GMT -5
Argh, posted too fast (but this compensates for not posting at Night right? ). I was paraphrasing the reasons people voted for you, I didn't mean to imply you totally didn't trust HF - rereading your posts now.
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Feb 19, 2009 16:28:28 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Feb 19, 2009 16:28:28 GMT -5
Don't puff yourself all up, Meta Knight! I was actually saying I didn't find it scummy per sé and unvoted, but maybe I used a double negative too many. The singing was about Chucara's JigglyPuff power you could have used if you weren't away. Ah. I forgot about the singing color on the jigglypuff. I dunno that I would have used that anyway, it being a block. Sorry about snapping... I'm glad Today is almost over, I need to step back.
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Day 4
Feb 19, 2009 16:40:41 GMT -5
Post by Hal Briston on Feb 19, 2009 16:40:41 GMT -5
Well, that was...disappointing. Admittedly, in order to digest six pages of text in 10 minutes, some major skimming was in order. However, I was really hoping to see someone pull a false claim against me in order for me to be leading the vote. But no, it was basic LTL, combined with some spectacularly bad logic, led by Natlaw...at least I think it was lead by him...his was the first I noticed trying to stir up crap about my vote for shaggy. That's why I dislike Borda so much...if someone juuust slightly pings you, and you make a "well, I'm not convinced, but since I have to make a #3 vote, I'll put it here" vote, it leaves you open for scum to make manipulating calls of "Ah hah! Here he said this but the next day he voted that!"
It all just gives me a headache.
Anyway, I have no spectacular defense -- we're going to buy a car tonight, so I've been busily researching the one we're looking at ('06 Kia Sedona, if'n you're interested). My role is investigative, but it hasn't worked so well. The first two nights I investigated peeker -- my investigation rate can be improved (or possibly diminished), depending on who I target -- and I was wondering if all his sheep jokes were him trying to get me to investigate him. Night #1 I was blocked by Ed and his little distracting Waddle Dees -- take a look at post #1 of Night Two to see me take out my frustrations. Night #2 I found that I was right (although I don't know if peeker knows it). In investigating him, I didn't find his role, but did find that he is "High Tier", meaning I'd get a perfect result on my next investigation. Which was a fricking waste, since I picked MHaye for Night 3.
So that's where we stand. As for voting, I'll go:
Vote 1: KidVermicious in an attempt to save my pro-town power role ass. Vote 2: Natlaw for being the name I see gunning for me the most with the least amount of logic behind it, and Vote 3: roxis for saying "But really, the allegations against [me] are pretty strong" when they were, in fact, a rollicking ball of crap (well, unless you want to go the Lynch the Lurker route -- obviously I can't defend that).
Not a whole lot of chance of recovery here, but hopefully we'll get things switched around so I can get another look-see in tonight.
Ok, off to get the new wheels!
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Day 4
Feb 19, 2009 16:58:09 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Feb 19, 2009 16:58:09 GMT -5
Votes: Player | Vote 1 | Vote 2 | Vote 3 | Hal Briston | KidVermicious | Natlaw | roxis | Hoopy Frood | Hal Briston | peekercpa | crazypunker | Kat | KidVermicious | peekercpa | | KidVermicious | Hal Briston | crazypunker | paulwhoisaghost | Natlaw | Hal Briston | peekercpa | Kat | Parzival | peekercpa | Hal Briston | Natlaw | Pollux Oil | KidVermicious | crazypunker | peekercpa | paulwhoisaghost | Nanook | Hal Briston | crazypunker | crazypunker | KidVermicious | Hal Briston | crazypunker | molefan | KidVermicious | Hal Briston | peekercpa | roxis | Hal Briston | KidVermicious | Pollux Oil | shaggy | peekercpa | Hal Briston | shaggy |
Totals: Votee | Total | Voters (#1) | Voters (#2) | Voters (#3) | Hal Briston | 22 (22) | Hoopy Frood, KidVermicious, Natlaw, roxis | Parzival, paulwhoisaghost, crazypunker, molefan, shaggy | | KidVermicious | 17 (14) | Hal Briston, Kat, Pollux Oil, crazypunker, molefan | roxis | | peekercpa | 14 (12) | Parzival, shaggy | Hoopy Frood, Kat, Natlaw | Pollux Oil, molefan | crazypunker | 7 (7) | | KidVermicious, Pollux Oil | Hoopy Frood, paulwhoisaghost, crazypunker | Nanook | 3 (3) | paulwhoisaghost | | | Natlaw | 3 (3) | | Hal Briston | Parzival | Pollux Oil | 1 (1) | | | roxis | shaggy | 1 (1) | | | shaggy | Kat | 1 (1) | | | Natlaw | paulwhoisaghost | 1 (1) | | | KidVermicious | roxis | 1 (1) | | | Hal Briston |
Not Voting: Nanook, peekercpa --FCOD
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Day 4
Feb 19, 2009 17:08:03 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 19, 2009 17:08:03 GMT -5
OK first, a mild FoS on anyone who's ever referred to the Nanook bandwagon as "lynch the lurker". First off, we were almost certainly right, at least about his role being anti-town; and secondly, at least two of us - Paul and myself - had excellent reasons for voting Nanook based on his early posts (in my case) and his claimed post restriction (in Paul's). I don't see "lurking" being mentioned as a factor there. I'm almost positive that you've mentioned Nanooks lurking multiple times. I'll have to run back and check. And his current role doesn't matter, using his lack of participation as a scum-tell is wrong. Even a blind dog finds a bone once in a while. Jeez, thanks for the "blind dog" comparison! Has it occurred to you that one of the reasons we clash so much, apart from a pretty basic communication problem that's come out in force today, is that we have pretty much diametrically opposite opinions on the best way to play this game? We've basically done nothing but argue from early on day one onwards. At least we agreed on the flawed "voting strategy" back then.
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Day 4
Feb 19, 2009 17:15:21 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 19, 2009 17:15:21 GMT -5
Oh, and on Nanook lurking - after he didn't respond to my initial vote of him, a vote based on the posts he DID make, I was more suspicious of him and said so. If I mentioned "lurking" then fair enough. Once he posted about his own post-restriction I was considering backing off, a thought that lasted all of however long it was before I found out my investigation had been blocked.
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Day 4
Feb 19, 2009 17:15:45 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Feb 19, 2009 17:15:45 GMT -5
Jeez, thanks for the "blind dog" comparison! Has it occurred to you that one of the reasons we clash so much, apart from a pretty basic communication problem that's come out in force today, is that we have pretty much diametrically opposite opinions on the best way to play this game? We've basically done nothing but argue from early on day one onwards. At least we agreed on the flawed "voting strategy" back then. You pointed out that in this particular case, Nanook is not pro-Town, as justification for your vote. If you can explain to me how in any reasonable universe you're able to reliably deduce that from his posting habits, when he posts low every game he's ever played in, then I'll withdraw my blind dog comment with apologies. Until then, I'll maintain that those of you going after Nanook are right because you're lucky, and I still think some of you are scum.
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Day 4
Feb 19, 2009 17:21:55 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Feb 19, 2009 17:21:55 GMT -5
I don't see how thats at all similiar. Shaggy had good reason to believe that whoever was targeting him was Town, if I remember correctly, and didn't HAVE to drop him. I have no reason at all to think Hal is Town, but I know I am, and I know my role is valuable, and it's looking more and more like him or me. S'why I said almost as bad. If you're town, instead of voting for who you think is scum you're just simply voting to save your own ass, which isn't particularly helpful as we're all still going to be suspicious of you tomorrow. Of course, now Hal is doing the same thing so joy! In investigating him, I didn't find his role, but did find that he is "High Tier", meaning I'd get a perfect result on my next investigation. Which was a fricking waste, since I picked MHaye for Night 3. Uhm. No offense, but Mhaye was dead at the dawn of Day 3. That's enough for me. Unvote All1. Vote Hal Briston 2. Vote KidVermicious 3. Vote crazypunker
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