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Day 4
Feb 19, 2009 17:32:41 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 19, 2009 17:32:41 GMT -5
Jeez, thanks for the "blind dog" comparison! Has it occurred to you that one of the reasons we clash so much, apart from a pretty basic communication problem that's come out in force today, is that we have pretty much diametrically opposite opinions on the best way to play this game? We've basically done nothing but argue from early on day one onwards. At least we agreed on the flawed "voting strategy" back then. You pointed out that in this particular case, Nanook is not pro-Town, as justification for your vote. If you can explain to me how in any reasonable universe you're able to reliably deduce that from his posting habits, when he posts low every game he's ever played in, then I'll withdraw my blind dog comment with apologies. Until then, I'll maintain that those of you going after Nanook are right because you're lucky, and I still think some of you are scum. Him "posting low" had very little to do with it. Read my last post, and my initial vote if you want to go back that far. Just out of interest - why are we even arguing about this? We seem to have gone from "minor strategic differences" to "major strategic differences" to "accusation of scumminess" to "OMGUS" to "mudslinging match" to "pointless yelling about stuff that's happening now" to "pointless yelling about stuff that lost its relevance days ago". If it ever reaches the stage of "hostility masking uncomfortable sexual tension", I will seriously consider quitting again for the good of everyone else's sanity...
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Feb 19, 2009 17:35:32 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Feb 19, 2009 17:35:32 GMT -5
Stop kibbling you two! Do we trust a last minute investigator claim? That's why I dislike Borda so much...if someone juuust slightly pings you, and you make a "well, I'm not convinced, but since I have to make a #3 vote, I'll put it here" vote, it leaves you open for scum to make manipulating calls of "Ah hah! Here he said this but the next day he voted that!" But in your first vote D3 you didn't include Chucara, but instead used yourself as placeholder. Than after Pollux pointed it out, you revoted him. Not as a 'I'm not convinced' but because his post Day Two where very scummy. I'll admit it's not a shut case, but better then the other I got. take a look at post #1 of Night Two to see me take out my frustrations. pedescribe has specifically said color doesn't contain clues this game. But I see Pollux found a bigger slip, so I'll shut up .
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Day 4
Feb 19, 2009 17:51:46 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Feb 19, 2009 17:51:46 GMT -5
Just out of interest - why are we even arguing about this? We seem to have gone from "minor strategic differences" to "major strategic differences" to "accusation of scumminess" to "OMGUS" to "mudslinging match" to "pointless yelling about stuff that's happening now" to "pointless yelling about stuff that lost its relevance days ago". If it ever reaches the stage of "hostility masking uncomfortable sexual tension", I will seriously consider quitting again for the good of everyone else's sanity... Repeat after me: "It's just a game." That goes for both of you. I like both of you as players. I like the fact that people approach this game from different perspectives. I don't want to see people leave because they get involved in personality clashes with the way they play the game. Remember, someone attacking your strategy or the way you are playing the game does not mean they are attacking you as a person. As a player, I wanted to throttle Shaggy for taking out Blockey (assuming Shaggy is indeed pro-town). But it doesn't make me think any less of him as a person or even as a player. We all screw up. We're all trying to play the game how we see fit. But it's just a game. At the end of the day, it doesn't really change our lives what the outcome of the game is win or lose. Remember that.
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Day 4
Feb 19, 2009 17:53:28 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Feb 19, 2009 17:53:28 GMT -5
Votes: Player | Vote 1 | Vote 2 | Vote 3 | Hal Briston | KidVermicious | Natlaw | roxis | Hoopy Frood | Hal Briston | peekercpa | crazypunker | Kat | KidVermicious | peekercpa | | KidVermicious | Hal Briston | crazypunker | paulwhoisaghost | Natlaw | Hal Briston | peekercpa | Kat | Parzival | peekercpa | Hal Briston | Natlaw | Pollux Oil | Hal Briston | KidVermicious | crazypunker | paulwhoisaghost | Nanook | Hal Briston | crazypunker | crazypunker | KidVermicious | Hal Briston | crazypunker | molefan | KidVermicious | Hal Briston | peekercpa | roxis | Hal Briston | KidVermicious | Pollux Oil | shaggy | peekercpa | Hal Briston | shaggy |
Totals: Votee | Total | Voters (#1) | Voters (#2) | Voters (#3) | Hal Briston | 25 (25) | Hoopy Frood, KidVermicious, Natlaw, Pollux Oil, roxis | Parzival, paulwhoisaghost, crazypunker, molefan, shaggy | | KidVermicious | 16 (13) | Hal Briston, Kat, crazypunker, molefan | Pollux Oil, roxis | | peekercpa | 13 (11) | Parzival, shaggy | Hoopy Frood, Kat, Natlaw | molefan | crazypunker | 6 (6) | | KidVermicious | Hoopy Frood, Pollux Oil, paulwhoisaghost, crazypunker | Parzival | 5 (5) | | |   | Nanook | 3 (3) | paulwhoisaghost | | | Natlaw | 3 (3) | | Hal Briston | Parzival | Pollux Oil | 1 (1) | | | roxis | shaggy | 1 (1) | | | shaggy | Kat | 1 (1) | | | Natlaw | paulwhoisaghost | 1 (1) | | | KidVermicious | roxis | 1 (1) | | | Hal Briston |
Not Voting: Nanook, peekercpa
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Day 4
Feb 19, 2009 17:55:01 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Feb 19, 2009 17:55:01 GMT -5
In investigating him, I didn't find his role, but did find that he is "High Tier", meaning I'd get a perfect result on my next investigation. Which was a fricking waste, since I picked MHaye for Night 3. Uhm. No offense, but Mhaye was dead at the dawn of Day 3. That's enough for me. [/b][/quote] To be fair to Hal, though, his observation was completely accurate. It was a "fricking waste" to investigate an already dead guy for Night 3. ;D BTW, nice catch.
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Day 4
Feb 19, 2009 18:00:40 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 19, 2009 18:00:40 GMT -5
Just out of interest - why are we even arguing about this? We seem to have gone from "minor strategic differences" to "major strategic differences" to "accusation of scumminess" to "OMGUS" to "mudslinging match" to "pointless yelling about stuff that's happening now" to "pointless yelling about stuff that lost its relevance days ago". If it ever reaches the stage of "hostility masking uncomfortable sexual tension", I will seriously consider quitting again for the good of everyone else's sanity... Repeat after me: "It's just a game." That goes for both of you. I like both of you as players. I like the fact that people approach this game from different perspectives. I don't want to see people leave because they get involved in personality clashes with the way they play the game. Remember, someone attacking your strategy or the way you are playing the game does not mean they are attacking you as a person. As a player, I wanted to throttle Shaggy for taking out Blockey (assuming Shaggy is indeed pro-town). But it doesn't make me think any less of him as a person or even as a player. We all screw up. We're all trying to play the game how we see fit. But it's just a game. At the end of the day, it doesn't really change our lives what the outcome of the game is win or lose. Remember that. ... Thank you. I will try to remember that.
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Day 4
Feb 19, 2009 18:19:47 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Feb 19, 2009 18:19:47 GMT -5
Need to get a vote in and am catching up.
Why would Halinvestigate someone other than me when he gets a chance at certain confirmation?
Kidv gets second for a skin saving vote.
paul because I still think his tole seems to be more scum than town
1. Vote Hal 2. Vote Kidv 3. Vote Paul
The next Day should be better from participation standpoint.
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Feb 19, 2009 18:32:51 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Feb 19, 2009 18:32:51 GMT -5
I'm signing off for Today, but Tomorrow might be another beautiful Day with new opportunities! MetaKnight, let's hope Hal Briston has a nice power for you to use and that behind that mask is a true and honest smasher! Captain Olimar, blow your whistle please, it's time to sleep! I hope your pikmin keep you save tonight, if they do, I'm sure you can send them out on expedition the next. Perhaps Diddy Kong can help, though I hope a monkey doesn't like pikmin for snacks! Purple is my favorite color! Mysterious Kat!, if you are afraid you might kill someone with your powers, I'm certainly not the worst target to pick. Popo and Mario, keep up the good work! roxis, choose your pokémon wisely! Mr Game & Watch, get ready to hammer some SCUM (hopefully). And Solid Snake, good luck tonight with your cover literally blown! I hope we get to know peeker and crazypunker better Tomorrow! Now some of you might have worked with SCUM in the past, but it is not too late! Sheik, you too deserve a chance to redeem yourself! Don't let me down! Good Night everyone!
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Day 4
Feb 19, 2009 18:34:08 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Feb 19, 2009 18:34:08 GMT -5
Rut Roh Rastro. I am now fully caught up. What if Hal is a bomb? What could motivate any investigative power to investigate someone who is dead? I am now totally confused, even more so than normal.
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Day 4
Feb 19, 2009 18:42:18 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Feb 19, 2009 18:42:18 GMT -5
Hey, Peek, as long as you're caught up, could you direct your attention to the rant upthread you aimed at me? You said KidV, but you quoted somebody else, and I don't know why you'd be yelling at me for the things you yelled about...
Very Confused, KidV
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Day 4
Feb 19, 2009 18:52:11 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Feb 19, 2009 18:52:11 GMT -5
he Zelda diary seems to hint that the Pikmin guy is Town-aligned, if Natlaw is Town. That is purely based on the fact of me being convinced Nanook is SCUM and I wouldn't expect a scum molefan to make up that failed investigation. Also I wrote the dairy not pedescribe (since I knew I would probably claim, I colored it a bit ). I do not have an investigative power. Oh. Damn. That's what I get for assuming. No, I wasn't claiming PFK, either intentionally or accidentally. And the only time I attempted to target Nanook was last Night. (I was trying to be funny. We'll just blame that on the drugs.) Um, no. My thought process was that Nanook was still near the top of the lynchees, and appears likely to be your Lover (ick), so there was a decent shot of you dying if he got lynched. If both you and he are telling the truth, of course. No, my power is not a killing power, so if I do it right, you won't die. But I felt obligated to add the "Probably" in case of extenuating circumstances. Gotta go read the rest of the thread now.
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Feb 19, 2009 19:28:02 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Feb 19, 2009 19:28:02 GMT -5
And see, this is what happens when I go back to work.
Last night and this morning, I was all set to not vote for Hal, since I dislike LtL when there's actually information floating around to base votes on, and now I see Hal's claiming to have investigated a dead guy. So I don't see a choice, unless Hal's got a majorly good explanation:
unvote all
1 vote Hal 2 vote peeker 3 vote KidV
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Day 4
Feb 19, 2009 19:36:06 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Feb 19, 2009 19:36:06 GMT -5
Hey, Peek, as long as you're caught up, could you direct your attention to the rant upthread you aimed at me? You said KidV, but you quoted somebody else, and I don't know why you'd be yelling at me for the things you yelled about... Very Confused, KidV Can yopu do me a favor and tell me which post is causing consternation. On my Blsckberry it is rahther difficult to track posts witnim a post within a post. So if I yelled at you fore something that should be ascribed to someone else then that would be my bad. If however, it was truly attributable to you then I would be willing to have further discussions. Natlaw at the danger point of re-iterating previous comments. I get twigged on Paul because his role seems so anti town but he comes across as non scum. But I have known some silver tounged folks in my life. shag presents the same level of confusion to me. Don't know why he did what he did but it's "a mistake". Scum would never do that. I believe that he is sincere but shoot if all a scum has to do is pull off a sincere apology then, yipes. If this is not sufficient then let me know. Other than my anniversary I should have some free time through Sunday.
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Day 4
Feb 19, 2009 19:44:44 GMT -5
Post by Hal Briston on Feb 19, 2009 19:44:44 GMT -5
Oops...ah well, it was a simple gaffe (like I said, I had to do some major skimming). Obviously I did not investigate MHaye when he was already dead, but that's an honest townie slip that there's really no recovering from, isn't it?
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Day 4
Feb 19, 2009 19:50:39 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Feb 19, 2009 19:50:39 GMT -5
Oops...ah well, it was a simple gaffe (like I said, I had to do some major skimming). Obviously I did not investigate MHaye when he was already dead, but that's an honest townie slip that there's really no recovering from, isn't it? Oops? When did you investigate him, then? And who did you really investigate last Night? And, assuming you are Town, which I highly doubt at this point, PM please.
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Day 4
Feb 19, 2009 19:52:09 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Feb 19, 2009 19:52:09 GMT -5
How does skimming cause you to forget who you investigated when?
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Day 4
Feb 19, 2009 19:56:45 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Feb 19, 2009 19:56:45 GMT -5
How does skimming cause you to forget who you investigated when? As a one-time detective, I can say without a doubt I never forgot who I investigated any night, and I had seven of 'em. (Well, technically eight, but I didn't even get to submit that one since I was the only non-vanilla remaining so Idle just skipped the entire night since DarkCookies decided to whack me apparently even before Dusk came.)
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Day 4
Feb 19, 2009 19:57:14 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Feb 19, 2009 19:57:14 GMT -5
D4.189, Peek: I misremembered: it was Pollux de Fuego who did the accusing. peekers post seem to be more about game strategy than on finding SCUM. Today his posts were about: -SCUM having enough time by now to make fake role PMs Sure, but fake still means there can be errors to catch and since we had a couple of more claims now, a mass claim looks OK to me. -That lynch the lurker is not good at this point in the game. True, but if there is a scum lurker that also gives a nice defense not to lynch them -Dings when crazypunker wonders what is behind the non-letal attacks on Kat and himself. He gives some info, but perhaps he can explain this cryptic comment: -Responds to Pollux and adds some content about shaggy and paul probably being town. Good, but had to be called out to do it. -That we can't afford to lynch the PFK -Rest mostly fluff except for this post - was asked about it, but I didn't see an anwser yet: Not that these are all anti-town by themselves, but if that is what most of your posts are, it becomes a bit too convenient. So for now: 2. Double vote for peekercpaOk, Kidq ypu and me seem to get imto it about this time in every game. Let's make it clear for you. I don't like Paul's power. I don't like the shaggy action. But I also don't see them scum motivated. Capiche. Mother of Og I have played with Nanook many times and his reticence has been a focus of many of my observations. I kind of think it comical that his post restriction would have any impact on this game. FCS, he is not posting any more anyways. Folks that are voting for him are just wrong if it's because his level of participation. I despise absolutes in this game, especially when they are self generated. If someone tries to validate alignment based on a previous set of posts I kind of go, Meh. The only folks doing that are scum justifying themselves. And if I mis spoke regarding PFKs let me be clear. I have no idea what a PFK win condition might be or whether they are still in the game or whether they help us townies more than they hurt scum. If there are some more specific questions that you need fleshed out, just let me know. Fixed coding.
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Day 4
Feb 19, 2009 20:12:21 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Feb 19, 2009 20:12:21 GMT -5
Yaknow. It looks like it should have been directed at Natlaw. Apologies.
But you have to agree that we mostly butt heads. At least I got that right.
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Feb 19, 2009 21:34:58 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Feb 19, 2009 21:34:58 GMT -5
Votes: Player | Vote 1 | Vote 2 | Vote 3 | Hal Briston | KidVermicious | Natlaw | roxis | Hoopy Frood | Hal Briston | peekercpa | crazypunker | Kat | Hal Briston | peekercpa | KidVermicious | KidVermicious | Hal Briston | crazypunker | paulwhoisaghost | Natlaw | Hal Briston | peekercpa | Kat | Parzival | peekercpa | Hal Briston | Natlaw | Pollux Oil | Hal Briston | KidVermicious | crazypunker | paulwhoisaghost | Nanook | Hal Briston | crazypunker | crazypunker | KidVermicious | Hal Briston | crazypunker | molefan | KidVermicious | Hal Briston | peekercpa | peekercpa | Hal Briston | KidVermicious | paulwhoisaghost | roxis | Hal Briston | KidVermicious | Pollux Oil | shaggy | peekercpa | Hal Briston | shaggy |
Totals: Votee | Total | Voters (#1) | Voters (#2) | Voters (#3) | Hal Briston | 31 (31) | Hoopy Frood, Kat, KidVermicious, Natlaw, Pollux Oil, peekercpa, roxis | Parzival, paulwhoisaghost, crazypunker, molefan, shaggy | | KidVermicious | 16 (16) | Hal Briston, crazypunker, molefan | Pollux Oil, peekercpa, roxis | Kat | peekercpa | 13 (13) | Parzival, shaggy | Hoopy Frood, Kat, Natlaw | molefan | crazypunker | 6 (6) | | KidVermicious | Hoopy Frood, Pollux Oil, paulwhoisaghost, crazypunker | Parzival | 5 (5) | | | | Natlaw | 3 (3) | | Hal Briston | Parzival | Nanook | 3 (3) | paulwhoisaghost | | | paulwhoisaghost | 2 (2) | | | KidVermicious, peekercpa | Pollux Oil | 1 (1) | | | roxis | shaggy | 1 (1) | | | shaggy | Kat | 1 (1) | | | Natlaw | roxis | 1 (1) | | | Hal Briston |
Not Voting: Nanook
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