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Day 7
Mar 8, 2009 19:00:26 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Mar 8, 2009 19:00:26 GMT -5
The dawn broke, and unlike normally, the group was busy working. Molefan had realized the potential dangers of dead bodies scattered throughout a small space, so everyone was gathering them and throwing them into the supply closet. They took Mitey Mouse from the cafeteria and Sachertorte from the hallway and Zeriel's pieces from his room. They took sinjin from her room and Toon Link from the harbor and the pipe wrench attached to Chucara from the furnace room. They took the Nana puppet from the staircase and tdpatriots from the ballroom. They took Nanook and Natlaw's body from the sitting room, and Roxis's legs from the cellar. They took Tabuu's body from the living room, and KidV's body from the attic. The trophies were not corpses, and did not pose any risk.
KidVermicuous, a.k.a. Metaknight (Town Involuntary Backup), is dead.
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Day 7
Mar 8, 2009 19:04:49 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Mar 8, 2009 19:04:49 GMT -5
Day ends 8:00 PM Friday, EDT.
With 7 alive, it takes 11 to start the countdown.
Alive: 1. crazypunker 2. Hoopy Frood 3. Kat 4. molefan 5. Parzival 6. Pollux Oil 7. shaggy
Dead: 1 Aubby Chucara (Jigglypuff, Town Roleblocker) 1. brokentree paulwhoisaghost (Mr. Game and Watch, Town Special Schizo) 4. KidVermicuous (Metaknight, Town Involuntary Backup) 6. Koldy Natlaw (Zelda, Town White Mage/Governor/Lover) 7. misterblocky (DK, Town Vigilante) 9. MHaye (Toon Link, Town Paranoid Doc/Commuter) 9. roxis (Pokemon Trainer, Town Redirector/Vig Poisoner/Weak Doc)[/color] 11. MiteyMouse (Wolf, Town Mason/Tracker) 16. TDPatriots (Krystal, Town Empath) 17. Rysto (Ness, Town Detective) 20. sinjin (Pit, Town Aegis) 24. Zeriel (Ganondorf, Town Mason/Daykill Vig)
8. peekercpa (Tabuu, SCUM Godfather) 8. Nanook (Sheik, SCUM Ninja/Lover) 12. Mr. Spec Ed (King Dedede, SCUM Mason/Roleblocker)
3. Hal Briston (Mewtwo, PFK Serial Killer/Redirector/Grudgeholer/Hitlist)
20. Sachertorte (Yoshi, Third Party Mad Bomber/Jailer)
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Day 7
Mar 8, 2009 20:25:26 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Mar 8, 2009 20:25:26 GMT -5
Perfect, go Town!
Spoiler me please?
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Day 7
Mar 8, 2009 21:00:22 GMT -5
Post by shaggy on Mar 8, 2009 21:00:22 GMT -5
awe man this sucks...So sorry kid that you were taken out. That really sucks.
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Day 7
Mar 8, 2009 21:03:21 GMT -5
Post by shaggy on Mar 8, 2009 21:03:21 GMT -5
Here is a thought I just had...odd that now looking back over the days the trophy gun is only used every 3 days...I wonder does the gun need to recharge maybe? Certain power levels gained each day? I really do not know, I just am thinking out loud here. I just thought of it, cause i was thinking this close to the end, you would think they would use it as much as they could. So why not everyday? I dunno could be way off and talking out my ass here.
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Day 7
Mar 8, 2009 21:29:28 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Mar 8, 2009 21:29:28 GMT -5
Interesting choice for a night kill. Out of all the townies, KidV I would think would be on the bottom of the list to take out. I see three possibilities:
1) SCUM didn't want KidV to take over their powers, especially since punker is likely to be lynched toDay.
2) SCUM got redirected somehow off of another target.
3) SCUM want us to think they got redirected off of another target.
Now 1 and 3 are not necessarily exclusive. But it'll be interesting to see what our claimed power roles come out with.
Regardless it's time to start things off with
vote 1. punker
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Day 7
Mar 8, 2009 22:30:54 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 8, 2009 22:30:54 GMT -5
Vote 1: Punker.
Now if someone could please explain what the heck happened last night, then please let me know. Parzival?
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Day 7
Mar 8, 2009 23:09:17 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Mar 8, 2009 23:09:17 GMT -5
Votes: Player | Vote 1 | Vote 2 | Vote 3 | Hoopy Frood | crazypunker | | | molefan | crazypunker | | |
Totals: Votee | Total | Voters (#1) | Voters (#2) | Voters (#3) | crazypunker | 6 (0) | Hoopy Frood, molefan | | |
Not Voting: crazypunker, Kat, Parzival, Pollux Oil, shaggy
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Day 7
Mar 9, 2009 0:31:17 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Mar 9, 2009 0:31:17 GMT -5
Here's the role I got last Night:
I think, if he hadn't been killed last Night, the last line would have pretty much confirmed KidV's role but not necessarily alignment, but considering context and Kirby's powers I think it's safe to assume that last line is referring to the Metaknight backup powers.
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Something weird happened. According to the great Mod in the sky, toDay I can't vote. Now, unless I'm mistaken nobody's claimed to have any sort of power related to that. So uh, what gives. And why would somebody make me not able to vote at this stage in the game? It doesn't seem like it's related to my power, but it very much could be. Although I don't see anything in the body bag to give an explanation as to why I got neutered toDay.
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Day 7
Mar 9, 2009 6:25:29 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Mar 9, 2009 6:25:29 GMT -5
Something weird happened. According to the great Mod in the sky, toDay I can't vote. Now, unless I'm mistaken nobody's claimed to have any sort of power related to that. So uh, what gives. And why would somebody make me not able to vote at this stage in the game? It's possible Kat isn't what she claims. Have we had any real evidence of a redirect since Hal died? I mean, Roxis did something the night before she died (or more appropriately, she said she was going to). But I don't think we have any evidence of Kat bus driving anyone.
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Day 7
Mar 9, 2009 12:41:37 GMT -5
Post by Parzival on Mar 9, 2009 12:41:37 GMT -5
That was odd. I tried to help Molefan, but it didn't seem to work. I was blocked somehow, though it was written almost like an attempted redirect.
Going after KidV does seem like an odd choice for the scum. But we may as well ignore it, as it's either poor play or WIFOM. Better just to go after who looks like scum.
vote: 1. crazypunker
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Day 7
Mar 9, 2009 12:44:52 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Mar 9, 2009 12:44:52 GMT -5
Votes: Player | Vote 1 | Vote 2 | Vote 3 | Hoopy Frood | crazypunker | | | molefan | crazypunker | | | Parzival | crazypunker | | |
Totals: Votee | Total | Voters (#1) | Voters (#2) | Voters (#3) | crazypunker | 9 (0) | Hoopy Frood, molefan, Parzival | | |
Not Voting: crazypunker, Kat, Pollux Oil, shaggy --FCOD
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Day 7
Mar 9, 2009 14:04:17 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Mar 9, 2009 14:04:17 GMT -5
Wow, he really is a ghost. He even gets votes when he's dead!
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Day 7
Mar 9, 2009 14:25:41 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Mar 9, 2009 14:25:41 GMT -5
Wow, he really is a ghost. He even gets votes when he's dead! What are you, the mistake Nazi?? --FCOD
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Day 7
Mar 9, 2009 14:27:37 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Mar 9, 2009 14:27:37 GMT -5
Something weird happened. According to the great Mod in the sky, toDay I can't vote. Now, unless I'm mistaken nobody's claimed to have any sort of power related to that. So uh, what gives. And why would somebody make me not able to vote at this stage in the game? It's possible Kat isn't what she claims. Have we had any real evidence of a redirect since Hal died? I mean, Roxis did something the night before she died (or more appropriately, she said she was going to). But I don't think we have any evidence of Kat bus driving anyone. And as you say, why would somebody use a vote-blocking power toDay? Unless they know they're dead already. Since it's pretty apparent that punker's going to be a unanimous number one choice. So maybe punker silenced your vote. But unless scum can double up powers, or there are 3 remaining, we seem to have two anti-town powers already used, the kill and the vote-silencing, and I can't figure out why scum would have killed KidV. Even if KidV had somehow silenced and gotten redirected somehow, one would expect peeker would have used his silence ability at least sometime before. Lots of prime WIFOM in all this.
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Day 7
Mar 9, 2009 16:52:07 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Mar 9, 2009 16:52:07 GMT -5
Wow, he really is a ghost. He even gets votes when he's dead! What are you, the mistake Nazi?? --FCOD NO MISTAKE FOR YOU!
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Day 7
Mar 9, 2009 18:23:38 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Mar 9, 2009 18:23:38 GMT -5
Well, it looks like it's my fault that KidV is dead, and Pollux is voteless. Otherwise, it'd be the other way around.
Since molefan was protected, I figured that Pollux was the prime Kill target (due to his outing of peeker, and since KidV seemed want to kill him*, I did a switch between the two.
*Come on, that was so obvious.
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Day 7
Mar 9, 2009 18:24:44 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Mar 9, 2009 18:24:44 GMT -5
Oh, and since I was right, that makes me wonder if there's another scum out there lying about his rolename.
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Day 7
Mar 9, 2009 19:20:15 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Mar 9, 2009 19:20:15 GMT -5
Since molefan was protected, I figured that Pollux was the prime Kill target (due to his outing of peeker, and since KidV seemed want to kill him*, I did a switch between the two. *Come on, that was so obvious. Huh? It wasn't so obvious to me. Care to cite the evidence? Honestly, I would expect Parzival and Molefan to be the targets. One can investigate, one can boost investigations. Parzival claims he was blocked, which would make since if punker was telling the truth about his power. After all, a scum blocker is one of the most powerful roles in the game, and is almost guaranteed in non-vanilla situation. And why would you bus drive KidV and not punker? The case against KidV was weakly circumstantial from where I saw it . Punker had a better case against him before he was outed by molefan (and I said as much in my response to KidV after he defended Nanook). I know moley felt otherwise since he investigated punker, but once the investigation went through, punker should have jumped to the top of everyone's list, unless you doubt the veracity of molefan. Essentially if you are town you chose to vig KidV rather than a all-but-confirmed scum. I call shenanigans. Because your own claim says you bus drive targets, not actors. So regardless of what KidV would have done last night, your actions wouldn't have stopped him from it. You could have only affected his target. If he were sent to kill Pollux, he would have killed himself. If you had bussed punker, he would have killed punker. Somethings not adding up here. vote 2. Kat[/color]
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Day 7
Mar 9, 2009 19:24:40 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Mar 9, 2009 19:24:40 GMT -5
Votes: Player | Vote 1 | Vote 2 | Vote 3 | Hoopy Frood | crazypunker | Kat | | molefan | crazypunker | | | Parzival | crazypunker | | |
Totals: Votee | Total | Voters (#1) | Voters (#2) | Voters (#3) | crazypunker | 9 (0) | Hoopy Frood, molefan, Parzival | | | Kat | 2 (0) | | Hoopy Frood | |
Not Voting: crazypunker, Kat, Pollux Oil, shaggy
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Day 7
Mar 9, 2009 20:27:20 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 9, 2009 20:27:20 GMT -5
Since molefan was protected, I figured that Pollux was the prime Kill target (due to his outing of peeker, and since KidV seemed want to kill him*, I did a switch between the two. *Come on, that was so obvious. Huh? It wasn't so obvious to me. Care to cite the evidence? Honestly, I would expect Parzival and Molefan to be the targets. One can investigate, one can boost investigations. Parzival claims he was blocked, which would make since if punker was telling the truth about his power. After all, a scum blocker is one of the most powerful roles in the game, and is almost guaranteed in non-vanilla situation. And why would you bus drive KidV and not punker? The case against KidV was weakly circumstantial from where I saw it . Punker had a better case against him before he was outed by molefan (and I said as much in my response to KidV after he defended Nanook). I know moley felt otherwise since he investigated punker, but once the investigation went through, punker should have jumped to the top of everyone's list, unless you doubt the veracity of molefan. Essentially if you are town you chose to vig KidV rather than a all-but-confirmed scum. I call shenanigans. Because your own claim says you bus drive targets, not actors. So regardless of what KidV would have done last night, your actions wouldn't have stopped him from it. You could have only affected his target. If he were sent to kill Pollux, he would have killed himself. If you had bussed punker, he would have killed punker. Somethings not adding up here. vote 2. Kat[/color][/quote] OK, I'm not for a minute relinquishing my suspicions of Kat because of this one claim, but your reasoning is completely off. I've read over Kat's role PM again, and she's right: she couldn't redirect Punker onto Punker. If she tries, Pollux would've died, at least according to the PM she posted. And Punker would be the natural choice for a killer with me in the game still (I can act as "watcher / tracker", remember?) because he's outed. He can't be given away. As for her other target: I was protected by Natlaw, and everyone knew it. I'd hinted fairly strongly last night to Parzival that I'd protect him, and again, everyone knew it. And Pollux had just bussed a scum single-handedly, and we don't know if he still has the potential to do it again. That puts a huge target on his back. So the idea that Parzival or I were bigger targets than Pollux is plain wrong. I still think Kat is the most likely second scum by a country mile, but not because of this reasoning.
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Day 7
Mar 9, 2009 20:33:21 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Mar 9, 2009 20:33:21 GMT -5
Sometimes I miss the obvious. Note this post: psychopathgame.proboards106.com/index.cgi?board=smashing&action=display&thread=790&page=1#42244KidV was explaining his power. He was the godfather for a night. He directed the scum kill last night by hijacking who they could vote for. Now, my guess is he targeted punker, and Kat foiled that. Peekercpa probably could never kill. So punker was going to essentially suicide if not for Kat. They probably targeted him since they knew punker was dying the next Day and didn't want Town to have access to that power. Apparently whatever punker has is more dangerous than our booster/detective combo. It still doesn't explain how we have a block, a redirect, and a kill all in one night, unless one of our scum can double up power and kill or we actually had a bonus kill power come out last night as the blocker and the busser used their powers to thwart town. But yeah, I'm pretty sure Kat is our last scum.
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Day 7
Mar 9, 2009 20:44:19 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Mar 9, 2009 20:44:19 GMT -5
I've read over Kat's role PM again, and she's right: she couldn't redirect Punker onto Punker. If she tries, Pollux would've died, at least according to the PM she posted. And Punker would be the natural choice for a killer with me in the game still (I can act as "watcher / tracker", remember?) because he's outed. He can't be given away. As for her other target: I was protected by Natlaw, and everyone knew it. I'd hinted fairly strongly last night to Parzival that I'd protect him, and again, everyone knew it. And Pollux had just bussed a scum single-handedly, and we don't know if he still has the potential to do it again. That puts a huge target on his back. So the idea that Parzival or I were bigger targets than Pollux is plain wrong. I still think Kat is the most likely second scum by a country mile, but not because of this reasoning. I assume you're referring to this: I took it to mean that Kat can't busdrive self-targeted actions, not that busdriven actions that become self-targeting act as they originally intended. In other words, she can't affect before the fact self-targeting actions, so self-protecting docs will still self-protect if she drives them. You seem to think that she can't affect after the fact self-targeting actions. So in other words she can't bus a vig-kill or a scumkill onto the killer. I'd argue that either is a reasonable interpretation based on the vague wording of which "action" is being referred to. Regardless, I think my x-post with yours seems more reasonable as to what's going on anyway. And I disagree that Pollux was a better choice. Nanook was the role he claimed, so was Ed. We only had 1 out of 3 scum claim a fake role. I don't know why peeker lied, but to assume that because he did, our last (likely) 2 scum did is not supported by the evidence.
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Day 7
Mar 10, 2009 17:24:20 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Mar 10, 2009 17:24:20 GMT -5
Well, since it never occurred to me that "Anyone using an action on player X will hit player Y, and vice versa, unless they would hit themselves. In such an event, the action would go through successfully." would mean anything other than "You can't redirect someone back onto themselves", I never asked for clarification. That would be an awfully clunky way to word it if it truly meant that I couldn't switch someone who was self-targeting. I would think that pede would have said something like "Anyone using an action on player X will hit player Y, and vice versa, unless they are targeting themselves." etc. But I have asked pede to clarify. I've been playing under the assumption that I can't cause someone to self-target.
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Day 7
Mar 10, 2009 17:31:58 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Mar 10, 2009 17:31:58 GMT -5
How could I have foiled that? I could only have foiled that if I switched punker with someone else. I switch the targets not the targeters. And I didn't switch punker, therefore, that is not what KidV was doing.
And of course KidV was trying to draw fire. Otherwise, why would he have claimed an "interesting power" when, according to his posted PM, he doesn't know what power he gets?
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Day 7
Mar 10, 2009 20:05:54 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Mar 10, 2009 20:05:54 GMT -5
So there are a few different ways this could play out.
1. Crazypunker is scum, Molefan is town. - This is probably the most likely scenario. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. In this case, it's most likely that Kat or shaggy is the last scum. There's an outside chance that Parzival is the last scum, if so he's played very well by helping out pro-town roles for most of the game. The only reason I even think that's possible is his sudden being blocked after several Nights of successful boosting.
2. Crazypunker is scum, Molefan is scum. - Means they're trying to pull off the ultimate scum gambit. After me revealing peeker yesterDay, maybe they decided to go balls-to-the-wall and try to give molefan awesome townie cred. Possible, as it's more likely we'll lynch Kat or shaggy tomorrow (with 5 left after a scum kill) and then a three-handed with molefan, whoever's left of Kat and shaggy, and one more. It would be an interesting gambit and a fairly good one.
3. Crazypunker is town, molefan is town. - I don't think this is remotely possible in any way shape or form.
4. Crazypunker is town, molefan is scum. - If this is true, we're probably going to lose if we lynch crazypunker, as while they're giving up molefan's identity, there's still two scum left and they'd probably be relying on a trophy gun kill as well as the regular kill to bring the numbers to 4 at Night and give them the win.
These thoughts are haphazard as I'm working from a very tired brain perspective. My guess is that #1 is the most likely and most probably true. I'm hoping that peeker was in control of the trophy gun (as in the Super Smash Bros Brawl game, Tabuu was the one that gave out the trophy guns I believe) so the scum are limited to one kill a Night from now on. I can't imagine they would sacrifice a second kill at this point just to block a power or block a vote.
The two biggest mysteries in my opinion are: A) On Night 3, how was Parzival redirected when targeting Nanook while Kat and molefan simply failed? And B) Why were their no kills Night 4, as we know the trophy gun was used on roxis that Night. We also know the trophy gun is an extra kill since there were two kills on Night 5, so where was the regular kill on Night 4 and who was the target?
It's been interesting to me that the scum seem to really have drawn the short end of the stick in terms of powers this game. We've had some real strong pro-town power roles. The scum power roles so far were a roleblocker but known as a mason, a person that could make themselves untargettable at Night but attached to another role, and a godfather of regular type (as far as we know). I think the trophy gun extra kill was a way of balancing the game towards the scum, as two kills on their part vs. so many town power roles would be very advantageous.
Because of that, I highly doubt shaggy is the last scum as giving the scum another extra kill on top of the double trophy gun kill seems a bit too excessive. If it's not Kat, my guess it's one of our respected townies in molefan or Parzival.
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Day 7
Mar 11, 2009 6:36:57 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Mar 11, 2009 6:36:57 GMT -5
How could I have foiled that? I could only have foiled that if I switched punker with someone else. I switch the targets not the targeters. I understand that. But if KidV had punker self-target, if you switch punker and KidV, KidV dies. We only have your word to go on that. Probably because he actually got one, which means the godfather has an active power, which is either to send in the final kill target or to use the trophy gun. It was no doubt speculation on KidV's part as to what he could do, but it most likely involved some sort of kill that he could now pull off. Something scum wouldn't want going off. See, the question your avoiding is Why would a town-aligned Kat switch KidV with Pollux?Why not punker, the scum in hand? Unless you didn't trust moley, but you've made no mention of such, especially since your only vote for him this entire game was a 3rd-place vote on Day 1. Or why not Shaggy, your 3rd place vote from yesterDay, if you figured that your switch would cause punker to self target and so his original target for kill would stay anyway. You hadn't voted for KidV since Day 5. You have two people you supposedly find scummier than him, yet you choose him to bus drive with Pollux. It doesn't make much sense. Furthermore, why do you think scum found Pollux to be a bigger threat than our Doc/Investigator or our power Booster? You haven't answered that one either. Because personally, if I were scum and weren't lying about my role-name, why would I particularly care that someone is finding the roles that aren't out there when there is someone who can directly out me as scum and someone else who can aid him in doing so. And I find it interesting that the only other person who woke up with a headache in this game was the scum godfather.
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Day 7
Mar 11, 2009 18:02:14 GMT -5
Post by shaggy on Mar 11, 2009 18:02:14 GMT -5
Well I am going to:
VOTE #1 crazyPunker VOTE #2 Kat
The first one, cause I am going to trust mole and his investigation. Kat cause my problem is she says she picked pollux cause she felt he was a prime target, for geussing that his character he had discovered out side the game, was hinting at peek . But what about mole who investigated punker or me who went after peek hard for not posting his pm? I just mean there has been a few of us that have really went after some and the odd time were right, they were scum. My third vote, i am going to go look at voting patternes and see if they hypothetically are any one else worth getting a vote for, even if it is just number 3.
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Day 7
Mar 11, 2009 19:58:36 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Mar 11, 2009 19:58:36 GMT -5
Votes: Player | Vote 1 | Vote 2 | Vote 3 | Hoopy Frood | crazypunker | Kat | | molefan | crazypunker | | | Parzival | crazypunker | | | shaggy | crazypunker | Kat | |
Totals: Votee | Total | Voters (#1) | Voters (#2) | Voters (#3) | crazypunker | 12 (0) | Hoopy Frood, molefan, Parzival, shaggy | | | Kat | 4 (0) | | Hoopy Frood, shaggy | |
Not Voting: crazypunker, Kat, Pollux Oil
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Day 7
Mar 11, 2009 23:49:09 GMT -5
Post by Parzival on Mar 11, 2009 23:49:09 GMT -5
I'm sort of split between Kat and Shaggy being another scum. Kat's role claim comes off a bit convenient. She may well have the power claimed, or she might have something more or less if scum. The 'fail chance' would also be a good way for scum to hide. Behavior-wise, I felt she was kind of lurking earlier in the game. But then she might not have seen much earlier, and I can't point to anything that really feels scummy from her.
Shaggy, though, has seemed relatively quiet since his power was confirmed. I consider his power to be all but confirmed given the lack of a counterclaim. And giving that power to scum seems odd since it'd only protect against a vig/SK. But stranger things have happened. He could well be scum trying to hope to skate into the final showdown.
I don't particularly like voting based on powers rather than in-game behavior, but right now I have to lean toward Kat as my second choice.
vote 2. Kat 3. Shaggy [/b]
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