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Post by Gir! on Mar 30, 2009 12:18:41 GMT -5
Ground rules for the game:
1) No strategy discussion at Night. Fluff only.
2) No quoting of your role PMs.
3) Vote in blue and (preferably) bold. Votes not in blue will not count.
4) Unvote in red and (preferably) bold. Unvotes not in red will not count. Any subsequent votes will not count until you've unvoted.
5) Ask questions via PM or by using green, bold text in-thread.
6) No post editing.
7) No communication offboard about the game unless stated in your role PM, and then only in the designated forums for that communication.
8) If less than 25% of eligible voters have placed a vote by Dusk, no lynch will occur. (Example: With 20 eligible voters, at least 5 votes must be placed (together or split) for a lynch to occur.)
9) There will be a minimum number of votes on the highest vote-getter for a lynch to occur. This threshold will be announced in the Dawn post. If no one gets the minimum number, no lynch will occur. If there is a tie, the player who received the high number first will be lynched.
10) (a) Day ends immediately when deadline is reached. (b) If a mod is not present to close the Day thread, you may continue posting fluff, but no strategy discussion and no voting/unvoting.
11) (a) Day ends immediately if all eligible voters other than the leading lynch candidate are voting for one person. (b) See (b) above.
12) (a) A 12 hour countdown will begin if 75% of eligible voters are voting for one person. Day will end immediately at the end of the countdown. If the number of votes on the leading lynch candidate drops below 75%, the countdown will pause. (b) See (b) above.
13) Official Day and Night ending times will be posted in the opening post of the thread, using the posting mod's timezone. We may also add it to the news fader and/or add other timezones as a courtesy, however, if any of these are incorrect, even if it the mod's fault, it is your sole responsibility to follow the Official Ending Time.
14) Please title your PMs for Night Actions informatively (e.g. Rolename's Night 1 Choice) and send it to both mods.
15) No substitutions. Anyone needing to leave the game will be modkilled.
Questions? Comments? Death threats?
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Post by KidVermicious on Mar 31, 2009 14:06:06 GMT -5
Question - countdown begins with 75% of available voters, but if we don't hit 75%, there's no lynch?
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Post by NAF1138 on Mar 31, 2009 14:08:15 GMT -5
Question - countdown begins with 75% of available voters, but if we don't hit 75%, there's no lynch? No early lynch. See rules 8) and 9) for no lynch possibilities.
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Post by Total Ullz on Mar 31, 2009 14:17:49 GMT -5
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Post by NAF1138 on Mar 31, 2009 14:19:34 GMT -5
Good question, Kat and I didn't discuss what time zone we are running this in. I will be back with an answer after we talk.
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Post by KidVermicious on Mar 31, 2009 14:20:54 GMT -5
So, "8) If more than 25% of eligible voters have not voted by Dusk, no lynch will occur" could not be rephrased as "It takes more than 75% of eligible voters to place a vote, or no lynch will occur"?
Because if not, I'm very very confused.
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Post by NAF1138 on Mar 31, 2009 14:29:00 GMT -5
So, "8) If more than 25% of eligible voters have not voted by Dusk, no lynch will occur" could not be rephrased as "It takes more than 75% of eligible voters to place a vote, or no lynch will occur"? Because if not, I'm very very confused. Either you or I are bad at math, I am not sure which.* Ok so in a game with 100 players 25 must vote or there will be no lynch. In the same game if 75 players vote for a single person a countdown clock will start. So in this game, starting with 20 players, there need to be 5 votes placed by dusk. They can be for 5 different players, or the same player, or some combination, but 5 people need to have a vote at dusk or there will be no lynch. On the other hand if 15 of you all decide that kat needs to die on Day 1, then once that 15th vote is placed the countdown clock will start. In addition, there will be a minimum threshold of votes needed on a single player to create a lynch for that player. This threshold will be posted at the start of each Day and will change as the game gets smaller. *I suspect that in reality it's the phrasing that is off.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Mar 31, 2009 15:01:57 GMT -5
Actually, both the rules as written and KidV have been a bit confusing.
KidV's first post implies that the 75% for the countdown and the 75% required for lynch apply to the same poster. When really as phrased, 75% of all voters voting for one person leads to countdown, but 75% of all players must have a vote on the table somewhere for a lynch to occur at Day end. This is what KidV has in his second response, and is right for what was worded.
But NAF clarified in the above post, that what was really meant was that "At least 25% of players must have a vote by dusk or there will be no lynch", which is really how that rule should be worded to avoid confusion. Becuase as it stands now it reads that "At least 75% of players must have a vote by dusk", which is evidently not the intent.
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Post by NAF1138 on Mar 31, 2009 15:08:27 GMT -5
Actually, both the rules as written and KidV have been a bit confusing. KidV's first post implies that the 75% for the countdown and the 75% required for lynch apply to the same poster. When really as phrased, 75% of all voters voting for one person leads to countdown, but 75% of all players must have a vote on the table somewhere for a lynch to occur at Day end. This is what KidV has in his second response, and is right for what was worded. But NAF clarified in the above post, that what was really meant was that "At least 25% of players must have a vote by dusk or there will be no lynch", which is really how that rule should be worded to avoid confusion. Becuase as it stands now it reads that "At least 75% of players must have a vote by dusk", which is evidently not the intent. Maybe it is the intent and I am crazy. Let me check with Kat, it was her rule. Because you're right, hoopy, as phrased it is that 75% of players must have voted for someone or there will be no lynch.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Mar 31, 2009 15:14:57 GMT -5
I interpret rule 8 to read "If the number of votes placed at the end of a Day is one quarter of the total number of available votes or less, no lynch will occur."
Is that right?
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Post by NAF1138 on Mar 31, 2009 15:30:28 GMT -5
I interpret rule 8 to read "If the number of votes placed at the end of a Day is one quarter of the total number of available votes or less, no lynch will occur." Is that right? That's how I was reading it too, but Kat may have intended it to be "If the total votes is not equal to 3/4 of the total available votes..." So I am checking with her for clarification.
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Post by KidVermicious on Mar 31, 2009 16:14:49 GMT -5
Well, and this is the disconnect - I interpret Rule 8 to read "If the number of votes placed at the end of a Day is 3/4ths of the total number of available votes or less, no lynch will occur."
But maybe I'm parsing it wrong.
8) If more than 25% of eligible voters have not voted by Dusk, no lynch will occur.
equals
8) If less than 75% of eligible voters have not voted by Dusk, no lynch will occur.
Right?
And
8) If more than 25% of eligible voters have not voted by Dusk, no lynch will occur.
equals
8) If more than 25% of eligible voters have voted by Dusk, a lynch will occur.
Right?
Then
8) If more than 25% of eligible voters have not voted by Dusk, no lynch will occur.
equals
8) If less than 75% of eligible voters have voted by Dusk, a lynch will occur.
and maybe I was reading it wrong. If I did the above right.
My head hurts.
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Post by Gir! on Mar 31, 2009 17:50:58 GMT -5
I have rephrased rule 8, because it can definitely be parsed either way. The intent is to require at least 25% of the players to have voted, although not all must be voting for the same person. So, with the starting # of 20, 25% would be 5 players, so there must be 5 votes on the table (all for the same player, or split up), or no lynch will occur.
Let me know if that's any clearer.
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Post by Gir! on Mar 31, 2009 18:05:57 GMT -5
As to timezones, I intend to post both Central and Pacific times, since the 2-hour time calculation is easy for even me to make, and it makes things easier for NAF if he's online posting "time left in the Day/Night" posts. Any other timezones will fall under rule 13 (whether posted in the gamethreads or in the fader). If someone asks me to include their timezone as a courtesy, I'll do my best, but it's up to them to meet the deadline if I screw up the calculations.
NAF is free to use Pacific only, both timezones, or any others that he chooses. I don't know if he's math-challenged like me, but he's just as free to point to rule 13 if he includes extra timezones.
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Post by special on Mar 31, 2009 18:55:16 GMT -5
I would like the time posted in Coordinated Universal Time, since it's coordinated and universal.
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Post by Gir! on Mar 31, 2009 19:25:44 GMT -5
I would like a million dollars and a pony.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Apr 1, 2009 9:26:04 GMT -5
If you had a million dollars, you could just buy a pony.
--FCOD
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Post by Chucara on Apr 1, 2009 9:32:35 GMT -5
I'd like a million ponies and a dollar. Oh, and is there any way we could end this time confusion? I could create a simple website where someone (ideally the moderator) entered the ending time, and everyone else could enter their time zone and get the proper time. (Or a countdown of hours remaining?) This could possibly be linked in a signature, although that would require linking to offsite content, so I'm not sure that would be wise to permit.
Anyway, I'll see if I can make that site this weekend - it shouldn't take much time. Only thing is: users should probably keep track of DST themselves if they want anything other than the countdown. We'll see.
Now that DST is kicking in, time zones are a nuisance.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Apr 1, 2009 9:40:08 GMT -5
Funny you should mention that Chuc...I was going to do the same thing but then real work took over. So, yeah...you should totally do that.
--FCOD
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 1, 2009 12:42:20 GMT -5
Anyone who wants to put together something for time zones, be my guest. I used to keep a list of all the various time zones in my sig, but frankly it isn't worth the effort. But you will get times in both central and Pacific Daylight time, so...
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Apr 1, 2009 14:40:42 GMT -5
Wait...Nanook's from Denmark?
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Apr 1, 2009 15:21:24 GMT -5
Wait...Nanook's from Denmark? No, Chucara is. The only thing that's changed in our profiles is our board names. Everything else (sig, location, online/offline, etc.) is the same.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Apr 1, 2009 16:55:21 GMT -5
I love mass confusion.
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 1, 2009 16:56:00 GMT -5
Me too, but it is really slowing down me getting these PMs out.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Apr 1, 2009 16:57:01 GMT -5
Oops.
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Post by bufftabby on Apr 1, 2009 16:57:48 GMT -5
I think this April Fool's filter is getting old. I'm ready to fire this game up.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Apr 1, 2009 21:20:19 GMT -5
Yeah, I never know whether I should express things in troy, avoirdupois, or metric either.
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