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Day One
May 2, 2009 11:58:45 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on May 2, 2009 11:58:45 GMT -5
Vote Count:
Sister Coyote (2) - zlw, Paul Paul (2) - NAF1138, Inner Stickler KidV (1) - Roosh sachertorte (1) - Pollux Inner Stickler (1) - Natlaw
--FCOD
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Day One
May 2, 2009 12:03:31 GMT -5
Post by Inner Stickler on May 2, 2009 12:03:31 GMT -5
Earlier he gave us three options 1) Lynch Pleonast 2) Lynch random 3) Lynch a lurker. He doesn't like option 1 and later says: I hate voting for lurkers or voting randomly. Hate it. I much prefer lynching Pleo over either of those positions. But Almost Human makes a good point. We should be scumhunting, so tally-ho! Hates options two and three, so lynching Pleonast now OK. And only now comes option four around: look for scum. Roosh asked me what I'd like to discuss. I listed the three topics that I thought were most likely to be Day 1 discussion fodder. Pleo was the only one who seemed like a lynch candidate because of his claim. Scumhunting should have been on that list, in retrospect. Whatever. Then I read through the thread and decided I Paul's vote was striking a weird chord with me and I wanted more info. I didn't realize that since I didn't list him in an earlier post I wasn't allowed to be suspicious of him.
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Day One
May 2, 2009 12:43:59 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on May 2, 2009 12:43:59 GMT -5
]The other in favor of lynching now that I saw was KidVermicious: If nothing else changes, that's where I'll be putting my vote. I just don't wanna do it yet. Except he changed his mind: Yeah, ok, so I won't be voting Pleo, prolly. What are the reason why you won't be voting Pleonast anymore? You responded to a post why you didn't vote in the first place, not what changed about the situation itself. Sorry, I'd thought that was clear. I was responding to Roosh's catch on who Pleo probably is.
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Day One
May 2, 2009 13:33:21 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on May 2, 2009 13:33:21 GMT -5
<font style="font-size: 12px;">I have no idea how recruitment would work in a game. The only one I ever played in with recruitment is the NAFKAT on still going on. As for talking about the vote, that was a joke and the vote for the vote for the vote - I think is getting really interesting. I'll have to go back and re-read knowing what I know now about the reason poeple did what they did. Pede's Terminator game had recruitment - scum recruited zeriel. And Pollux was recruited in the Marvel game though I can't remember if you played that one. I wasn't in Marvel - but your right about the Terminator-game. Thought I would like to add, that I had no idea what was going on in that game - so I forgot about the recruiment! Also I'd like to add that your comment on MiteyMouse could have been said about me too. I know I havn't spend as much time on this game as I would have liked too. I'll try to do better from this point.
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Day One
May 2, 2009 13:39:16 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on May 2, 2009 13:39:16 GMT -5
It got sinjin turning up in my posts a lot it seems, but I don't actually think lynching Pleonast right away is anti-town. She just sticks out to me with her opposite way of dealing with the claim. snipped I find this a very strange statement. But maybe I'm misunderstanding you: Are you saying that you notice and get a ping from Sinjin based on the fact that she's vocal and has been advocating a different way to deal with Pleonast than the one most seem to prefer?? As in - she has pinged you for playing against the consensus of the majority?
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May 2, 2009 14:04:11 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on May 2, 2009 14:04:11 GMT -5
For example, Dr. Horrible already in ELE, can recruit Moist? But that doesn't really make a difference for the current situation. See it all depends on the build up of this game. If he (the Mod) tried to stick w/ cannon or not. In the Dr.HSAB, Moist is already in a group- the henchmen society, so he couldn't really be recruited into the ELE, BUT it does open up the possibility of there being a 2nd group like maybe a PFK team or something- made up of the many henchmen (if you watch the credits in Dr. Horrible, you can see there were a TON of villians and henchmen named- Purple Pimp anyone?) Every villian that appears in the film is named including all the members of the ELE. That's why it certainly possible to have them all in a game like this. Though, the trouble is then it's always easy to go for a mass name claim and kill off the ones that sound like villains. THAT'S why Mods have to come up with ways around this- like in Firefly as we learned- some of the Firefly crew were actually hidden scum even though they had names like Kaylee and Wash- so scum can have positive sounding names. Another option is to have the villainous names be townies (Also in FF where the evil bounty hunter from the TV show was actually pro-town. RIP Dotchan). My mechanism of choice for the Batman Mafia (which DID manage to stay on canon) was to provide the scum believable cover roles/fake PMs of roles known NOT to be in the game, so that'd work out. However, the trick with the DrHSAB is that there's a TON of named villains/henchmen in it, so it'd have been easier to flip the game around (if it were all henchmen and villains hanging around, with the "Town roles" as scum). But I'm sure it could be done. So it all depends on if the game follows canon and how well it follows canon. If it does, then we can pretty much assume that the Doctor is the recruitable mechanism. The henchman society could easily be turned into another group, or into Masons who had some beef with the ELE. Capt. Hammer could easily be a Vig/SK/PFK/Cop based on how you wanted to bias the game, the townier power roles would have to be reduced to disenchanted villains perhaps, Dr. Horrible or perhaps the singing trio of fans (another easy to name mason group- or recruitable people as they too switch sides to Dr. Horrible in the films). Or you could just scrap that and go with traditional townie roles for the Town itself (Mayor, Cops, doctors, etc). There's alot to work with frankly and you could probably remake this game 2-3 with fun and interesting twists. It's one of the reasons i signed up to play, it has a LOT of potential to be fun with the way you can spin the roles around. Those are my thoughts on potential make up ideas of the game. As more information is revealed through deaths, we can see what sorta mindset the Mod was working with though and I don't know if it'll help us or not. The only thing I can say is that Firefly mafia pretty much set the standard on how NOT to read into the Color, as Color didn't really help you with figuring out alignment. But for the opposite (hell, one of the reasons i CREATED it was cuz I was pissed at all my failures in FF) is the example of Batman Mafia where color played into the game EXTREMELY well.
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Day One
May 2, 2009 14:43:51 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on May 2, 2009 14:43:51 GMT -5
I see you point on color, Roosh. The opening of Day One does mention Captain Hammer and the mayor against Bad Horse, but the rest is still up for grabs. I find this a very strange statement. But maybe I'm misunderstanding you: Are you saying that you notice and get a ping from Sinjin based on the fact that she's vocal and has been advocating a different way to deal with Pleonast than the one most seem to prefer?? As in - she has pinged you for playing against the consensus of the majority? I noticed that sinjins posted quite a bit of half thoughts or not spelled out assumptions. I asked her questions to clarify those, but I don't think that the lynching Pleonast Today idea is scummy in itself (or 'pings' me). So while I don't agree we should/must lynch Pleonast Today, I wanted to say that sinjin wasn't on my suspicion list because she does. Of course, there is the scum-would-never-do-that, so it's not a town tell either. I don't think the Evil League of Evil must recruit to have a fair chance win*, so a scum would vote to lynch him for town credit. *) With 20 players the standard scum size is 5 with 1-2 PFK/Third Party. 13 Town - 1 Dr.Horrible - 1 TP - 5 ELE gives 4 mislynches even with recruit if I calculate right. But could be different with balancing through power roles besides just numbers.
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May 2, 2009 15:06:33 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on May 2, 2009 15:06:33 GMT -5
Roosh asked me what I'd like to discuss. I listed the three topics that I thought were most likely to be Day 1 discussion fodder. Pleo was the only one who seemed like a lynch candidate because of his claim. Scumhunting should have been on that list, in retrospect. Whatever. Then I read through the thread and decided I Paul's vote was striking a weird chord with me and I wanted more info. I didn't realize that since I didn't list him in an earlier post I wasn't allowed to be suspicious of him. I didn't say you had to list Paul or that your vote was unfounded (you did FoS * him right away). But you vote him because you wanted a reaction from him, while you list of what to discuss Today was lynch a or b or c, not discussing them. Though maybe I'm just reading that into it, it wasn't crystal clear you wanted a reaction. On the other hand, I didn't see any opinion post from you to determine your intentions either, so that was another reason to vote. *) I thought paul was being silly with the big smelly finger, but it's the censor filter here .
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Day One
May 2, 2009 15:21:57 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on May 2, 2009 15:21:57 GMT -5
I noticed that sinjins posted quite a bit of half thoughts or not spelled out assumptions. I asked her questions to clarify those, but I don't think that the lynching Pleonast Today idea is scummy in itself (or 'pings' me). So while I don't agree we should/must lynch Pleonast Today, I wanted to say that sinjin wasn't on my suspicion list because she does. Of course, there is the scum-would-never-do-that, so it's not a town tell either. I don't think the Evil League of Evil must recruit to have a fair chance win*, so a scum would vote to lynch him for town credit. Care to enumerate on those half thoughts and not spelled out assumptions Natlaw? I am working with a dearth of information and making assumptions based on people's posts. What do you know that I don't? Ya know if those two paragraphs aren't a total smudge and then I don't know what is. Vote: Natlaw
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Day One
May 2, 2009 15:22:37 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on May 2, 2009 15:22:37 GMT -5
Gah, and take out that "and" in there.
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Day One
May 2, 2009 15:58:58 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on May 2, 2009 15:58:58 GMT -5
I noticed that sinjins posted quite a bit of half thoughts or not spelled out assumptions. I asked her questions to clarify those, but I don't think that the lynching Pleonast Today idea is scummy in itself (or 'pings' me). So while I don't agree we should/must lynch Pleonast Today, I wanted to say that sinjin wasn't on my suspicion list because she does. Of course, there is the scum-would-never-do-that, so it's not a town tell either. I don't think the Evil League of Evil must recruit to have a fair chance win*, so a scum would vote to lynch him for town credit. Once again Now I'm even more confused by what you trying to say. Sorry. I'll try to make it more clear: You say: "I noticed that sinjins posted quite a bit of half thoughts or not spelled out assumptions. I asked her questions to clarify those, but I don't think that the lynching Pleonast Today idea is scummy in itself (or 'pings' me)." If I got this right: You saw something that you wanted Sinjin to clearify. You asked questions and she answered. Right? You don't see anything in the statements made by Sinjin to be scummy on it own, right? The you say: "So while I don't agree we should/must lynch Pleonast Today, I wanted to say that sinjin wasn't on my suspicion list because she does." So you're saying here that neither the fact that Sinjin wants to lynch Pleonast nor the fact that you didn't understand her reasons to begin with puts her on your suspicion list. But you think: "Of course, there is the scum-would-never-do-that, so it's not a town tell either. I don't think the Evil League of Evil must recruit to have a fair chance win*, so a scum would vote to lynch him for town credit." And last - the fact that you don't feel Sinjin's stands in the Pleonast-lynch is scummy, it doesn't make her Town either. But the post you made here: And on my reread, I'll drag up an old post: If that happens before everybody has made five posts, then some people (possibly including me) will find themselves on a warning and under some pressure. If they then do the hammer bit again and catch people out, that's a problem. The ELE have used the rules to get a mass Daykill in; if they get two Townies that way, that's the equivalent of a Mislynch and Nightkill. The time before the Town reaches Lylo is reduced by one whole Day. Yes, but if they do it again it becomes pretty obvious, though the mod-kill/pressure might still be worth later in the game. On Day One I don't see much benefit for scum to do it and I wanted to know from sinjin why she quoted it from Pleonast with the remark 'especially since Pleo has decided to claim almost instantaneously'. It got sinjin turning up in my posts a lot it seems, but I don't actually think lynching Pleonast right away is anti-town. She just sticks out to me with her opposite way of dealing with the claim. Gave me the impression that she was on your suspicion list. So maybe I read that post the wrong way? Did you make it to say she wasn't on suspicion list? And why would you make a post with that content?? It would seem strange if I made a post of Player X saying: "Nope! Don't see this one as scummy" Even if I was Town a post like that could make it easy for scum to say later:" Look! Signs of scum-buddies" or if I was scum make me look really good after a mis-lynch going:"See I told you so". So I would love to know why you felt the need to make a post saying you didn't have Sinjin on your suspicion list.
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Day One
May 2, 2009 16:36:45 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on May 2, 2009 16:36:45 GMT -5
Care to enumerate on those half thoughts and not spelled out assumptions Natlaw? I am working with a dearth of information and making assumptions based on people's posts. What do you know that I don't? That I cannot read your thoughts and thus unwritten assumptions? Post 12 - where you quote Pleonast about not starting the countdown. I thought that you quoted him because you meant we were all gonna vote him, end Day One quickly and that was what Pleonast intended by his claim. On rereading it now (and the NETA), it was more an assumption of me than you, not a half thought by you. On a side note I'm pretty sure I understand why sachertorte wants to wait until day 2 to lynch you. But really if I could figure it out, scum can too. The possibility of Jester is offered, but later you say you were actually thinking of a bomb. Simply put between those two posts I realized that my first assumption about why sacher wanted to let Pleo go until tomorrow was completely and totally wrong. My original thought was that Pleo was a bomb, scum kill Pleo, scum die too. Doh! There were two whole days between those posts AH. You mentioning 'my first assumption' was the one I didn't see spelled out in the first quoted post. As you noticed yourself, you got quite a pile-on, which is why I posted my first remark that my questions weren't meant as an indication of suspicion, just request for clarification. The 'quite a bit' in my clarification to Almost Human was my try to summarize, not meant as smudge (which it does read like yeah ).
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May 2, 2009 17:00:29 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on May 2, 2009 17:00:29 GMT -5
(heavy quote snippage, if you want a response to something else please come again ) You saw something that you wanted Sinjin to clearify. You asked questions and she answered. Right? You don't see anything in the statements made by Sinjin to be scummy on it own, right? It was initially answered by MHaye, so that's why I dragged it up again to get an answer from sinjin. I thought her post contained a hidden accusation to Pleonast. The accusation I don't find scummy, no, but I wanted I clearer and it turns out it was more my reading too much into it. The lynch-Pleo-now I don't find scummy. I understand her reasons for it ('avoid rehash of Day One discussion on Day Two, might have better leads then so get it over with now') and don't see those scummy either. Yes, since I was clarifying why she is not on my suspicion list, I (attempted to) clarify she wasn't on my trusted list either. That is the post I was trying to clarify in the first place. In short: With 'stick out' I meant I noticed these posts, but I don't see them having a scummy motivation (they're not 'pinging' me as scummy). I was doing a reread to decide where to place my first vote for Today, I noticed sinjin hadn't answered a question of mine and also advocated Pleonasts lynch, but had not voted for him. I made a post with questions about that and to avoid confusing why I was on sinjin's case, but not voting for her I made that remark. Then I made my vote in a separate post.
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Day One
May 2, 2009 21:39:01 GMT -5
Post by sachertorte on May 2, 2009 21:39:01 GMT -5
It would seem strange if I made a post of Player X saying: "Nope! Don't see this one as scummy" Even if I was Town a post like that could make it easy for scum to say later:" Look! Signs of scum-buddies" or if I was scum make me look really good after a mis-lynch going:"See I told you so". So I would love to know why you felt the need to make a post saying you didn't have Sinjin on your suspicion list. I'm having a very hard time parsing these statements. Total Lost states "Even if I was Town..." which seems to be a statement that Total Lost is not Town. Am I reading this right? The whole thing is a theoretical, but the phrasing doesn't make sense for a Townie to state. I'm trying to put myself into the situation and how I would phrase it. I would probably say something like "A post like that..." or "Even though I am town, a post like that..." So on one side, I don't see a Townie using that type of phrasing. On the other, I do see a Townie not caring (worrying) enough to proof it and realize what's wrong while Scum would be more careful and would not make such a slip. As someone who has experience with innocuous slips, I feel it necessary to clarify why I bring up a possibly innocuous slip. Total Lost's statement is not a slip about 'information' that she should not have. It is a matter of language and whether or not Total Lost has used language in such a way that reveals her alignment and perspective. I'm saying that "Even if I were Town..." is not the phrasing I would use, but just because I wouldn't doesn't mean someone else (who is Town) also wouldn't. Does Total Lost's phrasing sound okay to anyone else? Another reason why I'm fixating on Total Lost is that the logic eludes me. She seems to be saying that if Natlaw is a Townie then if sinjin turns up scum, other scum can jump in and finger Natlaw as a 'scum-buddy.' But if Natlaw is Scum and sinjin is town then scummy Natlaw can point to a dead townie sinjin and 'see, I was right.' Nevermind that neither of these theoretical cases are likely to gain any traction, but what's the point? Natlaw could be scum or he could be Town; this is not new or enlightening. What does Natlaw's statement about sinjin have to do with anything? It doesn't prove anything about Natlaw's alignment. I don't get it. As for the Natlaw-sinjin thing. I think Total Lost is making something out of nothing. Natlaw is simply stating that sinjin's position on Pleonast is neither an indicator of scumness or Townieness. I don't recall Natlaw concluding that sinjin is Town, only that he sees no reason to think she is scum based on the Pleonast stance. Perhaps a feeling of evidence in that direction, but nothing conclusive. I don't have a problem with this stance as I have the same feelings toward sinjin. I don't agree with her about Pleonast, but our disagreement reveals nothing about alignment. While I do think that scum would prefer us to lynch Pleonast today, I don't think that scum would push quite so hard for it. I've stated before that my opinion is that any stance (Today v. Tomorrow) regarding Pleonast will reveal nothing about alignment, regardless of what Pleonast turns out to be. Pleonast told us he needs to be lynched. I'm certainly not going to hold it against sinjin for wanting to do that right now. She could be scum wanting to lynch a non-scum and leave no trail for finding scum, or she could be a Townie who wants to lynch someone we need to lynch instead of making a mistake and lynching a townie or power role or forcing a claim. There is no information to be gained from analyzing stances on Pleonast, which is one of the reasons why I want to defer to Day Two and hope Pleonast doesn't survive the night. Anyway, I'm babbling again.
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Day One
May 2, 2009 21:45:49 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on May 2, 2009 21:45:49 GMT -5
Earlier he gave us three options 1) Lynch Pleonast 2) Lynch random 3) Lynch a lurker. He doesn't like option 1 and later says: Hates options two and three, so lynching Pleonast now OK. And only now comes option four around: look for scum. Roosh asked me what I'd like to discuss. I listed the three topics that I thought were most likely to be Day 1 discussion fodder. Pleo was the only one who seemed like a lynch candidate because of his claim. Scumhunting should have been on that list, in retrospect. Whatever. Then I read through the thread and decided I Paul's vote was striking a weird chord with me and I wanted more info. I didn't realize that since I didn't list him in an earlier post I wasn't allowed to be suspicious of him. I still don't get why you voted for me. I saw someone voting in an odd manner. SisC voted for someone because they cast a joke vote... it was pretty obviously a joke vote... but she tried to skew it to make it seem like Pollux had been serious. Seemed like a combination of hoping for a bandwagon on Pollux and if not then at least she had found a semi safe place to park her vote. So I voted for her. I wanted to see her reaction.... her unvoting so quickly seems to me like scum realizing they had made a bad move and trying to backpedal... so I left my vote. You on the other hand see me cast a vote with reasoning provided that can be followed logically and decide that it is odd? Something isn't right here... even after I further clarified why I am voting for SisC you still have your vote on me without any further dialog. NAF... remind me again why you are voting for me? Oh yeah that's right... my vote for SisC's vote for Pollux's joke vote was a "safe place to put my vote". Well her reaction to my vote only furthers my suspicion of her. My vote was sincere... but now that I look at yours I am beginning to wonder if yours was... or if it was just intended to further the chain of votes. Which makes me wonder if IS just jumped on board with your vote and provided a half ass case against me to cover up an otherwise blatant me too vote.
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Day One
May 2, 2009 21:49:07 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on May 2, 2009 21:49:07 GMT -5
It would seem strange if I made a post of Player X saying: "Nope! Don't see this one as scummy" Even if I was Town a post like that could make it easy for scum to say later:" Look! Signs of scum-buddies" or if I was scum make me look really good after a mis-lynch going:"See I told you so". So I would love to know why you felt the need to make a post saying you didn't have Sinjin on your suspicion list. I'm having a very hard time parsing these statements. Total Lost states "Even if I was Town..." which seems to be a statement that Total Lost is not Town. Am I reading this right? The whole thing is a theoretical, but the phrasing doesn't make sense for a Townie to state. I'm trying to put myself into the situation and how I would phrase it. I would probably say something like "A post like that..." or "Even though I am town, a post like that..." So on one side, I don't see a Townie using that type of phrasing. On the other, I do see a Townie not caring (worrying) enough to proof it and realize what's wrong while Scum would be more careful and would not make such a slip. Way to pick and choose the lines of her post to reference. Did you happen to notice the part in bold (I bolded it) that say "if I was scum" She was providing scenarios... I am pretty sure this is a language barrier thing and nothing more.
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Day One
May 2, 2009 22:45:31 GMT -5
Post by sachertorte on May 2, 2009 22:45:31 GMT -5
Are you saying "Even if I was..." is functionally equivalent to "If I was..." ? To me they are not, but I'm not going to pretend to be keeper of the English language.
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Day One
May 2, 2009 23:51:06 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on May 2, 2009 23:51:06 GMT -5
English isn't Totals first language, Sach, I don't know if you knew that.
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on May 3, 2009 2:31:58 GMT -5
Are you saying "Even if I was..." is functionally equivalent to "If I was..." ? To me they are not, but I'm not going to pretend to be keeper of the English language. No... not what I am saying... to you or I they are significantly different. But ToatlLost is Danish and while her English is very good, she does make grammatical errors often enough. I think this is the case. She's too good a player to make a slip like that unfortunately.
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on May 3, 2009 2:32:46 GMT -5
NETA: That should have read "I think this is the case here."
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Day One
May 3, 2009 12:38:33 GMT -5
Post by sachertorte on May 3, 2009 12:38:33 GMT -5
English isn't Totals first language, Sach, I don't know if you knew that. I didn't know that. I was vaguely aware that there are Europeans on this board, but I don't know specifically who they are. So I'll focus my suspicion on Total Lost based on point two.
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May 3, 2009 12:51:12 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on May 3, 2009 12:51:12 GMT -5
English isn't Totals first language, Sach, I don't know if you knew that. I didn't know that. I was vaguely aware that there are Europeans on this board, but I don't know specifically who they are. So I'll focus my suspicion on Total Lost based on point two. Wow - that's flattering! Being assumed to speak/write English as well as the rest of you (unfortunately I wasn't worth the honor and mess the grammar up a bit). My point about Natlaw was based on the fact that I misunderstood the intent behind what I took as a great big smudge on Sinjin followed up by claiming he didn't see her motivations as pro-scum. It was the combination of the two acts that made me go: As you can see Natlaw did come back with a explanation and I really don't think there is more to it. Unless you want to take it further. Just something to remember in the Days to follow.
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Day One
May 3, 2009 15:16:01 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on May 3, 2009 15:16:01 GMT -5
Sorry, I was away for a while the last few days and probably will have intermittent lapses in when I'm available (May is a VERY Shitty month for me- at least up to the 20th). That said, I'll try to note any long absences if I can. I found Total Lost's phrasing quite suspicious myself: until I read this. English isn't Totals first language, Sach, I don't know if you knew that. So fine. You get a pass for that one. Fair enough. Also, is there a chance anyone who HASN'T watched Dr. Horrible speak up, and also anyone else who doesn't speak english as a first language speak up? -I've not played with a few of you guys, and so yeah, those are the sorts of things I'd like to know before I start calling people out for phrasings slips and that sorta things. Because I found that phrasing to be very weird- especially because it started out with the "if I were town" part first, normally I'd not give it a second look with the "if I were scum" part first, but it was odd to make the townie option the first one w/o clarification. But I accept the clarifications given.
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Day One
May 3, 2009 15:18:12 GMT -5
Post by special on May 3, 2009 15:18:12 GMT -5
I have not seen Dr Horrible, and it's on my list of things to do, but This is the busiest time of year for a special ed teacher.
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Day One
May 3, 2009 15:55:13 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on May 3, 2009 15:55:13 GMT -5
My point is that since Pleonast has told us we need to lynch him, it doesn't matter what anyone thinks about Pleonast. There's nothing to gain from this information. Discerning scum from town after Pleonast tells us we need to lynch him is not useful. So some will say lynch him Today and some will say Lynch Tomorrow. So what? Neither one will reveal anything about scum, no matter what Pleonast turns out to be. Wait wait wait. Pleonast says we need to lynch him, so it doesn't matter what anybody else thinks. You're going to lynch him regardless? Just because HE says he should be lynched? What if I say "hey guys, I need to be lynched too. I'm dangerous!" Are you going to take my word for it and lynch me after Pleonast just because I said so? For all we know, Pleonast could be interpreting his PM weirdly. Or maybe Mr. FCMOD isn't answering his questions about the role, so Pleonast is just rolling with what he assumes. I know I had a couple questions I asked privately and Mr. FCMOD gave me nothing, nada, zilch to work with so I'm working on my own assumptions here too. Furthermore, you seem to be zeroing in on "to lynch Pleonast or not lynch Pleonast" and the only thing we'll gain from discussion of whether or not to lynch him is a list of people saying "Yes" or "No." Discussion begets discussion. Tangents form all over the place. People word things weirdly, or give a strange reason for their opinion, and that's what leads to catching scum. Chain reactions happen and you never know where they might lead. I mean hell, I didn't expect all that hooplah over my Roosh vote but hey. And to be clear, we may just be having a difference of opinion on whether or not Pleonast's a worthy discussion point. The reason I think this is scummy and the reason I'm voting for you is because this is Day One, and you want to wait to discuss a possible major game point until tomorrow. If this scenario happened on Day Three or Four, when there was other information to discuss, I wouldn't be voting for you. But what you're doing is saying "this is a distraction, let's wait until tomorrow to decide what to do" when there's really no other information to discuss that it could distract us from. Tomorrow on Day Two, or any Day in the future, when we have voting patterns and deaths to analyze, yes, it might be a distraction to rehash Pleonast over and over again. But why is it a distraction toDay? It's the most game-relevant thing to discuss. And I'm really not understanding why it isn't clear when PSS is joking. Maybe the humour translates better into British English - I dunno. I guess that means I should go on a British comedy tour. Although, I first misread the abbreviation of my name as "PISS" so I'm starting to rethink my current moniker.
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May 3, 2009 18:21:23 GMT -5
Post by MiteyMouse on May 3, 2009 18:21:23 GMT -5
Hi everyone. I haven't been feeling very well and have not been following the way I should be thus far. I will participate more soon. I'm sorry.
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Total Ullz
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Post by Total Ullz on May 4, 2009 5:27:34 GMT -5
Sorry, I was away for a while the last few days and probably will have intermittent lapses in when I'm available (May is a VERY Shitty month for me- at least up to the 20th). That said, I'll try to note any long absences if I can. I found Total Lost's phrasing quite suspicious myself: until I read this. English isn't Totals first language, Sach, I don't know if you knew that. So fine. You get a pass for that one. Fair enough. Also, is there a chance anyone who HASN'T watched Dr. Horrible speak up, and also anyone else who doesn't speak english as a first language speak up? -I've not played with a few of you guys, and so yeah, those are the sorts of things I'd like to know before I start calling people out for phrasings slips and that sorta things. Because I found that phrasing to be very weird- especially because it started out with the "if I were town" part first, normally I'd not give it a second look with the "if I were scum" part first, but it was odd to make the townie option the first one w/o clarification. But I accept the clarifications given. I havn't watched Dr. Horrible and seem to have misplaced the link provided. I really don't need you guys to give me a pass on the phrasing. And I put the part with "if I was Town" first because I feel quite the opposite that you do. In way to many games on FB people tend to run around and say "I'm Town" is so many strange ways that when ever some one says "had I been scum - but I'm not - cause hey I'm Town"* it pings me like crazy. As Paul said: I was trying to paint different senarios - but I guess I paint as bad as Pollux jokes * YES! They did that in the early games on FB. Not in the last couple of games thought.
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Post by The Real FCOD on May 4, 2009 7:52:48 GMT -5
30 hours remaining vote count:
Sister Coyote (2*) - zlw, Paul Paul (2) - NAF1138, Inner Stickler KidV (1) - Roosh sachertorte (1) - Pollux Inner Stickler (1) - Natlaw Natlaw (1) - sinjin
* - Reached 2 votes first and will be lynched if the tie remains.
--FCOD
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Post by zlw on May 4, 2009 8:20:40 GMT -5
I'm watching this horrible show now, sorry for calling it horrible but my tastes vary from yours apparently since I hate NPH have since Doogie. Gawd this is like pulling teeth... he so annoys me.
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Post by The Real FCOD on May 4, 2009 8:22:28 GMT -5
I'm watching this horrible show now, sorry for calling it horrible but my tastes vary from yours apparently since I hate NPH have since Doogie. Gawd this is like pulling teeth... he so annoys me. Sorry, but you'll have to get out of my game now. --FCOD
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