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Post by Gir! on May 2, 2009 21:34:49 GMT -5
A new Day Dawns...or tries to as, although the sun struggles upwards into the sky, clouds block its rays, and rains splatters down sporadically. The crowd gathers quietly toDay, spirits depressed by the gloominess of the weather.
As they prepare to begin the now customary trek to discover the fate of anyone missing, a loud pounding disturbs the early morning quiet. The neighbors investigate the cause, following the noise to its source, where they discover that Almost Human appears to be trapped inside her home.
Luckily, it turns out that she can still hear the discussion, as well as manage to make herself heard well enough to contibute, although she will not be able to vote for toDay's candidate.
And apparently, everyone else is present.
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With 9 eligible voters, 25% or more of the players must vote toDay, or no lynch will occur. If less than 2 votes total are cast by Dusk, no lynch will occur.
With 9 eligible voters, the lead votegetter must receive at least 2 votes. If no one receives 2 votes or more by Dusk, no lynch will occur.
With 9 eligible voters, if the lead votegetter receives 7 votes, a 12-hour Countdown will begin. If the lead drops below 7, the Countdown will pause.
If no Countdown is started, the Day will end on Thursday, May, at 9 PM Central Daylight Time (7 PM Pacific Daylight Time).
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Post by Nanook on May 2, 2009 21:58:16 GMT -5
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say YAY DOCTOR!
Oh and Mhaye? He's an Alien.
Vote: Mhaye
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Post by Gir! on May 2, 2009 22:15:39 GMT -5
Slight edit to the Dawn PM. I originally counted AH among the eligible voters, even though she's voteless toDay. Reread the Dawn PM for correction.
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Post by KidVermicious on May 3, 2009 0:06:22 GMT -5
In Alphabetical Order:
Almost Human BillMC Bufftabby FCoD KidV MHaye - scum per nanook Nanook - claimed cop Paulwhoisaghost - town per Nanook Pedescribe Shaggy
Dead Folks
Chucara - Michael Picray, Vanilla Town Hawkeyeop - Raymond Kraynak, Vanilla Town MiteyMouse - Samuel Anne Killington, Town Private Investigator Moodymitchy - Eve Linden, Vanilla Town Pollux - Rennie Shaw, Town Immunizer/Vigilante Special Ed - Janet Haze, Vanilla Town Total Lost - Bridget Fisher, Vanilla Town
Idle Thoughts - Germain Degas, Third Party Regretful Vigilante
seattleguy (Captain Pinkies) - William Harris, Temple Member Sundry - Lei Lu Lee, Temple Member
I'm listing Temple seperate because I don't think Idle had anything to gain in lying about his wincon, and I think his claimed wincon indicates that Temple has a way to win without Town, which makes them not Town as far as I'm concerned.
We've got one 3rd party, two PFK/Scum mason types, and now a fingered Alien. I'm guessing that there will be no more solo 3rd parties, one more Temple member, and 2-3 additional Aliens, if MHaye is in fact an Alien. But I don't know that for sure.
If there are 4 total Aliens, we're at lylo, and I'm very nervous about Nanook. Considering how close scum saw themselves to winning Yesterday, and how close Paul was to getting lynched, Nanook may very well have decided to call him Town, knowing he'd be off the hook and they could use him to bus a towny Today for the win.
Looking at the power role ratio in the existing Town dead, we've got a probable cop and a probable doc/vig/unrecruiter-type dude, and that's it out of 7 total dead. Lots of vanilla in there. It's entirely possible that the distribution is freaky and all of us left are power roles, but I doubt it, and I'm not liking the idea of two cops.
I'm not liking the odds of having two cops, I'm not liking the timing of the claim, and I'm not liking that it's MHaye, arguably the scariest player left in the game, who was fingered.
I don't like it at all.
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Post by KidVermicious on May 3, 2009 0:07:16 GMT -5
Temple, you got anything to say, anything to add, now would be the time.
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on May 3, 2009 2:28:19 GMT -5
Well if Nanook is playing the Pied Piper.... then I'm a rat dancing to his tune...
Vote: VOTE MHAYE
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Post by BillMc on May 3, 2009 4:20:54 GMT -5
We've got one 3rd party, two PFK/Scum mason types, and now a fingered Alien. Can I ask why you have concluded that the temple is pfk/scum? Yesterday Almost appeared to be against discussion of the alignment of the temple. Almost appears to trust the temple as a pro-town mason group, while you have them as an anti-town mason group. Do either of you have anything to support these viewpoints? I would tend to agree with the rest of your analysis - with no Alien kills we could be dangerously close to LoL. I'm guessing the other folk Nanook has investigated are now dead otherwise he probably would have shared whatever other alignment information he knows. Nanook, Yesterday you indicated Pede was on your scumdar - but you investigated MHaye instead - what changed your mind (apart from Pede saying you were wrong?
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Post by shaggy on May 3, 2009 6:39:46 GMT -5
Well that is great news, no one killed last night. As for the mhaye thing. I never really found was to suspicious to be honest, however when is comes to investigated vs investigator, I personally think it is wise unless there is alot of evvidance against the ladder, to vote the investigated first, and then see the results, and contemplate from there whether or not that truly confirms whether fully or partially the investigator or not. But since this is the start of the day, I am thinking I will hold off voting and now that I am feeling better, spend the day and post latter tonight with my thought on fully and better rereading all days and nights. Since the last thing I think we should do is get blinders on for anyone else because of this one investigation, other wise we are no better off tomorrow. So plan to vote but dig around in the mean time.
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Post by Almost Human on May 3, 2009 7:11:29 GMT -5
Well crap - I can't vote today though no dead people makes a nice change. We've got one 3rd party, two PFK/Scum mason types, and now a fingered Alien. Can I ask why you have concluded that the temple is pfk/scum? Yesterday Almost appeared to be against discussion of the alignment of the temple. Almost appears to trust the temple as a pro-town mason group, while you have them as an anti-town mason group. Do either of you have anything to support these viewpoints? (snipped) Bill, may I just say bollocks! What I actually said in the post you're quoting is this: Where do I say I'm against discussing it? Where do I say I trust the temple? I can't support these viewpoints because you've just pulled them out of your arse. My post was saying I was suspicious of you because you appeared to be fishing for information without offering so much as an opinion of your own. The "a little suspicious of Bill" has now turned to very very suspicious.
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Post by BillMc on May 3, 2009 9:47:54 GMT -5
Where do I say I'm against discussing it? Where do I say I trust the temple? I can't support these viewpoints because you've just pulled them out of your arse. My post was saying I was suspicious of you because you appeared to be fishing for information without offering so much as an opinion of your own. Did someone get out of the wrong side of the Alien spaceship this morning? I did offer my opinion here. Yes, I've asked the question several times and each time you have responded with suspicions on the question and not actually contributed jack to the actual discussion. KidV states that he thinks they are scum, yet your concern is the fact that I actually asked the question why? That is why I think you appear to be anti-discussion or have appear to know something about the temple that the rest of us don't. We're getting our collective arses handed to us on a plate by the Aliens, and there is a 3rd party group which we have had no real information/opinion on.
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Post by BillMc on May 3, 2009 10:10:59 GMT -5
I'm good with Nanook's investigation Vote: MHaye
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Post by KidVermicious on May 3, 2009 10:25:40 GMT -5
We've got one 3rd party, two PFK/Scum mason types, and now a fingered Alien. Can I ask why you have concluded that the temple is pfk/scum? You can ask. I'll refer you to the part of my post where I already explained it, though. And I don't like the way you're setting up one of AH or I to take a fall here. If you're Town, what if we're both scum?
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on May 3, 2009 11:44:52 GMT -5
*cringe*
This is a tough decision.
On the one hand, I don't trust Nanook. Given the circumstances, the numbers, and his behavior so far, I'm pretty sure he's an alien.
On the other hand, if you all think I'm an alien, and lynch me for saying so, then we'll probably lose, given the numbers.
On the other hand, if I say nothing, you'll probably lynch MHaye, and lose.
So Vote: Nanook . And we'll see what happens.
(of course, if I'm wrong, this will be my worst game ever, hands down)
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Post by BillMc on May 3, 2009 11:48:38 GMT -5
Unvote: MHaye Need to have a re-read.
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Post by KidVermicious on May 3, 2009 13:57:42 GMT -5
*cringe* This is a tough decision. On the one hand, I don't trust Nanook. Given the circumstances, the numbers, and his behavior so far, I'm pretty sure he's an alien. On the other hand, if you all think I'm an alien, and lynch me for saying so, then we'll probably lose, given the numbers. On the other hand, if I say nothing, you'll probably lynch MHaye, and lose. So Vote: Nanook [/color] . And we'll see what happens. (of course, if I'm wrong, this will be my worst game ever, hands down)[/quote] What do you think is scummy about Nanook, apart from the timing on his claim?
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Post by KidVermicious on May 3, 2009 13:58:45 GMT -5
Bill, are you Temple?
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Post by BillMc on May 3, 2009 20:35:17 GMT -5
You can ask. I'll refer you to the part of my post where I already explained it, though. Maybe I should have phrased the question better - well actually, I did phrase it better Yesterday. I'm inclined to believe Cap posted his PM (based on Kat's reminder of the rules): "All anti-Town factions are dead OR all Temple Members are recruited AND the recruiting team fulfills their win condition."So the Temple can win with town, if all the Aliens are dead; or all Temple members are recruited and the Alien's win. The all part is what has got my attention...more specifically it does not say all living. It may be splitting hairs, but the fact Idle took out Sundry on Night 1 may prevent the Temple winning with the Aliens. Cap's PM does not list a win condition for the Temple on their own. The question now becomes, can the Alien's only recruit Temple, or can they recruit Town -- with the Town Immunizer dead, I would suspect they can also recruit Town. So with four nights down, could the Aliens have successfully recruited 4 times? Unlikely, as that would have already given them control of the vote and game over. A straight, succinct question - No, I am not Temple.
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Post by shaggy on May 3, 2009 20:53:32 GMT -5
well i have reread the entire game so far, and copied every post that raised my eye brow. well I tried to exclude ones that have been ripped to death by others commenting on it. With this being said i think I will vote today for mhaye but want this post to be a good idea of tomorrow who I may verry well vote for and why. The 2 people I find the most supicious at the moment based on what I can read has been kidV and pede . sorry guy, just a few post's have kinda got me eye brow raising. So first let's start with kidv : psychopathgame.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=wat&action=display&thread=849&page6#43994Which I do agree with what a couple people has said, this seems like he is double dog daring the recruiter to go for him. There is just something about this post that just seems to over the top and not right with it. psychopathgame.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=wat&action=display&thread=869&page=4#44647My problem with this, is as paul said why waste time pushing what others have already had huge post’s about? Also he at the time was already the lead to be lynched, so this just seems odd to be that focused on one person and forget about all the others. Suppose though it comes down to different playing styles, I feel one should present a case and then move on. If it takes off great, if not, why beat a dead horse…er what at the time appeared like a dead horse anyways...sorry paul I do not mean to compare you to a dead and decaying horse but it does get the point across. And the last point I have to make is this: Can I ask why you have concluded that the temple is pfk/scum? You can ask. I'll refer you to the part of my post where I already explained it, though. And I don't like the way you're setting up one of AH or I to take a fall here. If you're Town, what if we're both scum? Now here is my problem with this, first and maybe it is just me here, but something always rubs me the wrong way when people start saying “what if we’re both scum” or “what if I were scum”. It is one thing to say if I were scum then…but saying what if we are? Almost comes across as though it is gloating, or at least to me anyways. Also the first part of setting up you or AH to take a fall, then saying if bill is town and let’s say you and/or her are scum. Then would not setting you guys up, be actually a good thing for town? After all you would be scum and he is town. That is a big problem I have here, is saying your being set up but then saying we could be scum. That statement just does not sit right with me. Now pede : psychopathgame.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=wat&action=display&thread=869&page=3#44605Here you are basically saying you do not get at all the voting for paul . Ok nothing wrong with that, fine by itself but then there is this one page later: psychopathgame.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=wat&action=display&thread=869&page=4#44638But then here, because he is basically has been saying that day well if we have to mislynch, it might as well be a vanilla. You suddenly think he is worth voting for? Out of all the evidence you could get on him, to justify a vote, you go for his accepting what he thought was his fate at the time? Maybe it is just me being dumb here, but that seems like a pretty weak reason out of them all to vote the guy for. Especially when only a few post's earlier you did not see the suspicion on him at all. Then that brings us today with this post: *cringe* This is a tough decision. On the one hand, I don't trust Nanook. Given the circumstances, the numbers, and his behavior so far, I'm pretty sure he's an alien. On the other hand, if you all think I'm an alien, and lynch me for saying so, then we'll probably lose, given the numbers. On the other hand, if I say nothing, you'll probably lynch MHaye, and lose. So Vote: Nanook [/color] . And we'll see what happens. (of course, if I'm wrong, this will be my worst game ever, hands down)[/quote] Here is my problem with this, it comes across like your positive mhaye is not an alien, how would you know this? You would have to be a cop your self and investigated her, or an alien your self to know with out a doubt. You say we will probably lose with lynching you but will lose if we lynch mhaye . It is one thing to say lynch mhaye and we may lose but to simply say we will lose by lynching her period, kinda sounds like a bit of PIS to me here. once again i am not following how we may lose with you but will with her. When would the numbers not mean there is just as much chance she is an alien as you or him? Also how are you so sure nanook is an alien? also if he is, then what does that make of paul who was investigated by him? If nanook is an alien why save a town with a suposed investigation? Unless that means paul is also an alien too, hence the fake investigation to save him. As I said if nanook is an alien, where or I supose what does that make paul ? Anyways that is my suspiciouns, as I said I am probably going to vote mhaye but this gives an idea of who else to maybe look at for tomorrow, or atleast in my mind. Sorry if i insulted or possibly been seen smudging anyone for this or anything. Just me and my thought's of what I see going on the last few days. Also i know others have raised points on one or both but I did not want to overly repeat that much of it. Why be a broken record?
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on May 3, 2009 21:13:28 GMT -5
*cringe* This is a tough decision. On the one hand, I don't trust Nanook. Given the circumstances, the numbers, and his behavior so far, I'm pretty sure he's an alien. On the other hand, if you all think I'm an alien, and lynch me for saying so, then we'll probably lose, given the numbers. On the other hand, if I say nothing, you'll probably lynch MHaye, and lose. So Vote: Nanook [/color] . And we'll see what happens. (of course, if I'm wrong, this will be my worst game ever, hands down)[/quote] Here is my problem with this, it comes across like your positive mhaye is not an alien, how would you know this? You would have to be a cop your self and investigated her, or an alien your self to know with out a doubt. You say we will probably lose with lynching you but will lose if we lynch mhaye . It is one thing to say lynch mhaye and we may lose but to simply say we will lose by lynching her period, kinda sounds like a bit of PIS to me here. once again i am not following how we may lose with you but will with her. When would the numbers not mean there is just as much chance she is an alien as you or him? Also how are you so sure nanook is an alien? also if he is, then what does that make of paul who was investigated by him? If nanook is an alien why save a town with a suposed investigation? Unless that means paul is also an alien too, hence the fake investigation to save him. As I said if nanook is an alien, where or I supose what does that make paul ? Anyways that is my suspiciouns, as I said I am probably going to vote mhaye but this gives an idea of who else to maybe look at for tomorrow, or atleast in my mind. Sorry if i insulted or possibly been seen smudging anyone for this or anything. Just me and my thought's of what I see going on the last few days. Also i know others have raised points on one or both but I did not want to overly repeat that much of it. Why be a broken record?[/quote] If Nanook is an alien, their team will probably win if we mislynch today. Meaning he would have no reason to bus a teammate today. Meaning MHaye would be town. As for Paulwhoisaghost...I don't know. I could see it go both ways (assuming alien Nanook): 1. Nanook tells the truth, he and the rest of the aliens attack paul, who was protected last night*. If the attack had been successful, Nanook would have looked like a credible investigator. 2. Nanook was lying to protect a teammate. Either way seems rather plausible. *I don't know that this happened, but it is a hypothetical that makes sense if Nanook is an alien and paulwhoisaghost is town.
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Post by shaggy on May 4, 2009 6:31:06 GMT -5
If Nanook is an alien, their team will probably win if we mislynch today. Meaning he would have no reason to bus a teammate today. Meaning MHaye would be town. As for Paulwhoisaghost...I don't know. I could see it go both ways (assuming alien Nanook): 1. Nanook tells the truth, he and the rest of the aliens attack paul, who was protected last night*. If the attack had been successful, Nanook would have looked like a credible investigator. 2. Nanook was lying to protect a teammate. Either way seems rather plausible. *I don't know that this happened, but it is a hypothetical that makes sense if Nanook is an alien and paulwhoisaghost is town. Wanted to quickly check before work...after sleeping on it and now this post...damn I am more confused now cause the lite bulb has gone off in my head and your right...I am now seeing what your saying that we may possibly be at a lynch or lose situation. That is if there is 4 aliens, one temple and atleast one other PFK/3rd party or 2nd temple and the rest town. Cause then anything but a alien will result in more of them then any other. Ok I think when I get back from work, since I looked at you, I will now go look closer at a few others, such as see if I can see what you see in nanook . after all it is the right thing to do, look at both sides of the story then decide.
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Post by The Real FCOD on May 4, 2009 8:07:22 GMT -5
I'm kinda nervous about trusting Nanook too. I mean, we know we have an investigator on our team that is dead now, so why would we have two? It makes a lot of sense to me that he could be an alien trying to get us to lynch townie.
So yeah, I'm going to Vote: Nanook .
--FCOD
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Post by Nanook on May 4, 2009 8:57:18 GMT -5
Are you people insane? Seriously? "OMG he might be bussing a townie!" Explain to me why exactly, if I'm an alien, I saved Paul yesterday? Or is the assumption that he's an alien too? Then why exactly was there no kill last Night? The simplest, most logical answer is that I'm telling the truth, there's a doctor/roleblocker/some other protective role still out there, and the scum took a shot at me and failed. Any other explanation doesn't make any sense. My favorite is the "Paul is town, they tried to kill him last Night, but he got protected" one. If Paul is town and I'm not, why save him Yesterday? To build up Town cred? Town cred I'm going to immediately blow Today to bus this supposedly Town Mhaye? Does that make ANY sense to anyone? Let's trade one mislynch yesterday for another one Today woo! Brilliant strategy that! If I were an Alien, I would be a goddam moron to do anything other than keep my mouth shut and let Paul die yesterday.
If you instead assume we're both Scum, it makes a little more sense I guess. Except for the fact that we're almost certainly NOT at lylo. If we assume 4 to start(which btw, I wouldn't be so quick to assume. Recruitment, in whatever form it may exist in this game, is very very powerful, and would easily balance a smaller number to start.), then we're likely sitting at 6-4. This is not LYLO, barring a double kill or similar Tonight. Recruitment might change that, but it's hard to say for certain without knowing the exact details of said recruitment.
I note that another argument, such as it is, against me seems to be that the timing of my claim was bad. What does that even mean? When would you have me claim? I wasn't going to claim at the start of the Day yesterday, since it wasn't a given that Paul would be the lynch candidate. If he hadn't come under heat, I would have kept my mouth shut and tried to squeeze in another investigation without relying on a protective role that may or may not have existed. Not claiming yesterday wasn't an option, since what does it accomplish? I get another investigation without too much worry? That's stupid, since I would be throwing away my previous investigation for nothing, and adding a guaranteed mislynch in the process. I couldn't have done it earlier during the Paul train, because I wasn't around. Sorry I can't bend my schedule to your wishes.
On the Temple, based on what Captain posted, which I fully believe was his actual role PM(rules violation notwithstanding), it is my belief that NAFKat have found a way to solve the evil mason issue. What I mean by that is, you will often see(mostly since the Batman game) people discussing Masons and them having a solo win con and what not, and there will inevitably be someone who doesn't like that idea. That Masons are Town, period, and adding extra win conditions to them removes a lot of what makes Masons good and useful. So how do you balance wanting to add seperate win cons to Masons without dilutiing what makes Masons Masons? Don't call them Masons. Give them everything that Masons have, self confirmability, Town win condition, maybe a board of their own, and change the name. Now people who dislike Masons with solo wins(of which I am one for the record) can be happy since these "Masons" aren't Masons, and people who like Third Party Masons(or whatever you wish to call them) are happy too.
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Post by NAF1138 on May 4, 2009 10:09:24 GMT -5
I should note that no one has broken any rules as far as we can see, since Nanook brought the subject up.
I would hate for you to think we were getting sloppy.
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Post by BillMc on May 4, 2009 10:27:42 GMT -5
I should note that no one has broken any rules as far as we can see, since Nanook brought the subject up. I would hate for you to think we were getting sloppy. Interesting. So if no rules have been broken, then Cap's posting was therefore not his actual PM Day 4, #54 and Kat's reminder of Rule 2 at the end of Day 4, #64 was just a reminder. So while Cap did turn out to be Temple, the win conditions and recruitment comments could be just bull.
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Post by Merestil Haye on May 4, 2009 11:31:58 GMT -5
Oh and Mhaye? He's an Alien. This statement caught me by surprise. The main reason is that my Role PM says I am Town-aligned, specifically that I am vanilla Town. An accusation by a claimed Detective that gets my alignment wrong means either that Nanook is lying about his claim, or that his role is a variant that gets the wrong result some or all the time. I didn't consider the latter very likely – paranoid or uncertain cops are not popular around here (I'm sure NAF remembers the chaos in M2 caused by the Beat Cop role). A third possibility, that I appear as Alien to investigators, (ie I am a Miller) is ruled out by my role PM; it says nothing about it, and I don't believe I'd be a Miller and not know about it. That veers too close to Gastardy. One thing I thought about Overnight was Nanook's claim to an investigative role, It's something that even Nanook noted was odd when he made the claim (see D04.034. We've already had the existence of an investigative role confirmed by the Mods – MiteyMouse was a Town-aligned PI. I decided that, on the face of it, two investigators in a 20 player game was so implausible that the Aliens would never dare make it up. That inclined me to believe the claim, because it was too risky for Aliens to make. It also makes the possibility that Nanook is a flawed investigator more likely, but if that is the case I would have thought Nanook should have told us about his flaw. The fact he did not claim flawed Cop would render any subsequent assertion of fallibility questionable, to say the least. (I note that paranoid cops don't know they are paranoid, but in his claim Nanook mentioned he tested two people who died and said nothing about getting different results to the role reveal. I think we can rule paranoid out as a flaw.) There is a possible explanation for two investigators, one of whom has started lying. Nanook started as Town, but got recruited somewhere along the way and is no longer a Townsperson. If this is true, of course, it immediately raises two questions. Who recruited him, and when? When is probably easier. Recruitment is usually an alternative to killing for a scum group, which immediately suggests that Nanook was recruited last Night. Against that, the timestamps on the OP and Nanook's accusations show that less than 25 minutes passed between Kat opening the Day and Nanook's fingerpointing. If Nanook had been recruited in Night 4, he'd have had to get access to the Alien hideout, learn who was who, work out that forcing a mislynch would win, and go post it. I don't buy that; if he was recruited in Night 4 he wouldn't have had time. Consequently he must have been recruited before that. As for who, there seem to be two basic choices; the Aliens and the Temple. We know very little about the temple; basically that it exists and that its dead members have not been identified as Town-aligned on death. These two facts are consistent with Captain Pinkies' roleclaim made in Day 4, according to which the Temple is a third party group who can win with either side, depending on whether they have all been recruited. This may or may not be true. If it's false, the falsehoods are designed to cover up something, probably that the Temple can steal the win from both Town and “the recruiting faction” - if, indeed, the Temple is not the recruiting faction. If this is a false claim, then the Temple must have a different wincon, probably the typical scum “equal or outnumber all other factions together.” Whether they do that by kill, recruitment or a mixture, I don't know. If it's true, though, it follows that the Temple isn't the recruiting faction, which means the recruiters are probably the Aliens (unless you want to postulate a third non-Town group). It also follows that the recruiters have multiple uses of the recruitment ability. (Captain P's claim talks about all members of the Temple being recruited, and there were at least two – we know that because two are dead). In summary. - Nanook is falsely reporting my role.
- It is unlikely that Nanook is a flawed Town-aligned investigator, or he would have said so.
- Therefore either Nanook was nonTown from the start and made a risky claim, or has been recruited, probably on or before Night 3.
Consequently I must Vote: Nanook . This has got too long, so I'm going to address this afternoon's issues in a second post.
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Post by Almost Human on May 4, 2009 14:35:12 GMT -5
<font style="font-size: 12px;"> <font style="font-size: 12px;">I should note that no one has broken any rules as far as we can see, since Nanook brought the subject up. I would hate for you to think we were getting sloppy. So we can't trust anything Captain said in his post which makes me think they're more anti town than his 'pm' suggested. I also suspect there's one more out there simply due to the fact we've no normal mason team unless they've done amazingly well to keep hidden. <font style="font-size: 12px;">I'm kinda nervous about trusting Nanook too. I mean, we know we have an investigator on our team that is dead now, so why would we have two? It makes a lot of sense to me that he could be an alien trying to get us to lynch townie. So yeah, I'm going to Vote: Nanook . --FCOD This and pede's post do make me wonder. Both Nanook and MHaye have given good arguments to support their positions and it's really hard to know which one to believe. I'm kind of glad I can't vote toDay though I will faux vote before the Day ends so I'm on record.
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Post by shaggy on May 5, 2009 6:44:10 GMT -5
Hey everyone, wanted to check in before heading to work. So after thinking on it, I have to say, I find it odd, that there is this sudden big band wagaon jump against nannok when no one has gone back and really posted a post by post reason for there suspicion on the guy. I clicked on him, and then show all posts for the last while...hope you do not mind, just it is easier then trying to find them, by going through the days. Anyways the point is, I did a post by post analysis of the guy and in my opinion I am not really seeing what some are. You have the start of the game where I think he was simply saying unless we ask the MOD or see apon there death, we do not really know what the roles do, so why speculate on that? I don't think it is nessesarily stoping discusion as much as it is simply saying how does this help reveal alignment? besides that though it comes to what timing of his claim? which my problem I have always had with this is, it almost seems like a lose-lose situation for the person. If they save a town player, then they are seen as scum gaining TC, if they catch a scum then there scum themselves busing. so it almost seems like a investigator is a terrible role, cause your screwed eigther way. Now if there is voting records, suspicious things posted, anything like that then yes it makes sence...but I do not really see that here, and maybe that is why no one seems to be going back and quoting the guy, with in there reasoning! Now I am not saying he could not be full of BS and is scum since I have no idea, I just am saying I can not see it, and I don't really see any definitive quote evidance backing the start of this band wagon right now.
Now I do have to say inregards to to investigative type roles in one game, I am reminded of the FB game HAMILET when we had to roles both called doctor but each were actually verry differant powers, so maybe this game is similar but for investigative roles? Since no one seems to have done this:
Say oh powerful MOD'S is there anyway you are able to explain since she is dead, what a private investigator is or her power was?
Since maybe we are focused to much on the name and not the power of the role.
With that I am going to now do the same post by post for mhaye and see what I think. Since you would think by this many days if the investigation is real and all, there would be some clue in the voting or talk within the post's by mhaye .
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Post by Nanook on May 5, 2009 9:30:28 GMT -5
I'm not actually surprised no one has done that before you. I'm failry sure at this point that most of the people who have jumped all over me are the remaining Aliens. They had the game pretty well in hand, and were sure they were going to pick me off one way or another last night. But it failed, whether because of a doctor/protective role or something else I'm not sure. That's why they were so willing to go along with my investigation Yesterday, but are suddenly hot for lynching me. They know the combination of a hidden protective role and an investigative role can rip this game right away from them. So they make desperate moves, like trying their damnest to bus a claimed detective.
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Post by NAF1138 on May 5, 2009 10:46:50 GMT -5
Say oh powerful MOD'S is there anyway you are able to explain since she is dead, what a private investigator is or her power was? It was a lot like what it sounds like.
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on May 5, 2009 14:40:37 GMT -5
I officially have no thoughts to add... sorry Nanook... I believe you, but I am a bit biased... and I can't think of any possible way I can further your defense...
@naf You have personal text? And it means I love you!
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