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Post by KidVermicious on May 14, 2009 20:05:46 GMT -5
That was pretty much the worst case scenario for me. I'm sorry I couldn't delay my PM post to the very end of the Day. It looks like scum blocked the lynch once they got what they needed from my PM. I expect to be recruited ToNight. Which was what, exactly? What the hell did they need from your PM?
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Post by RoOsh on May 14, 2009 20:41:44 GMT -5
And could someone remind me who RoOsh thought Pleo might be yesterDay?? It's right there. On the other page. I thought he was going to be Bait and Switch. That he'd maybe be trying to prove his towniness by basically getting lynched but then switching places with someone else instead- which is why when my eyes read today's thing and saw the Sach dead. I was curious. But not the case.
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Post by RoOsh on May 14, 2009 20:46:07 GMT -5
Now that my role name is out, can anyone tell me if it means anything in terms of the color? It means you were once a member of the ELE. Dead Bowie is one of like 7-8 ELE members that are shown in the very last 20 seconds of the final episode. Another one there is Fake Thomas Jefferson, and Professor Normal.None of them have speaking lines, and none of them play ANY significant part in the actual storyline of the Shows. You actually got more information in your PM than the viewers get from watching the Show. Hell, the Singing Cowboy fake claim got more onscreen time than you did. Why you gave yourself so much credence from what you've posted is just silly. Unless you have information you're not revealing, you just made a big muck up. Because whatever applies to you, probably applied to Sach, as both of you get equal screen time in the show and could be considered equivalent roles/characters in terms of the canon for importance.
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Post by Pleonast on May 14, 2009 20:55:04 GMT -5
When you are lynched you are in essence killed. On Day One you specifically stated that you were Night-kill resistant. That is NOT what the little bit of your "quoted" pm states. There is also nothing in the "quoted" portion of your pm that gives any indication that you are recruitable. The fact that you were a former member of the ELE is meaningless. In the Firefly game I was the evil Dr. that did bad things to River. I was town. This is a typical method of setting up games so that mass claims don't break the game. In addition there was nothing in the bits of the pm you quoted that indicated any kind of anti-recruiter exists. There is nothing in your role PM as posted that indicates you would investigate as a Miller. You are an experienced player. There is no way you are this naive. FTR, I am not trying to smudge you. I think you are scum. If you are not scum why did you ignore my question about how we get rid of you if you survive another night? Surely you know that from your role pm. If you are town then help us!!!!! Stop playing these coy games. I've never seen "kill" used to mean "lynch". And I don't see any reason to think it means that in this game either. I'm not being coy. I've answered all the questions to me. I'm sorry you're not happy with the answers. Apparently you missed all the times I told the Town what to do. Lynch me. Just because the scum blocked it this time doesn't change the answer. As for my PM, I think my interpretation is reasonable. Apparently the scum believe so too, since I somehow survived the lynch. Oh PLEASE. As far as I'm concerned, you're relegated to the whiny emo kid in the corner. "Wah wah I should die." Everyone TRIED to lynch you, it FAILED because you didn't understand your powers correctly. Now, DEAL with it because if we waste another Day on this shit it will just put us further behind. It failed because scum blocked it. And we will have to lynch me tomorrow. (Or do you think I should be left alive?) Maybe this time everyone will actually use my suggestion of voting for other players before switching to me. Or do you want the Town to focus mostly on me ToMorrow again? Which was what, exactly? What the hell did they need from your PM? I don't know, but it was enough for them to block my lynch. Why you gave yourself so much credence from what you've posted is just silly. Unless you have information you're not revealing, you just made a big muck up. Because whatever applies to you, probably applied to Sach, as both of you get equal screen time in the show and could be considered equivalent roles/characters in terms of the canon for importance. The only thing I didn't post was the details of my only power. Which already is a significant difference from sach, since he was Vanilla Town. Apparently details from the show aren't especially relevant to the game anyway. I'm surprised you use the word "silly", after explaining how "Mason" doesn't have to mean pro-Town.
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Post by sinjin on May 14, 2009 21:06:33 GMT -5
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Post by sinjin on May 14, 2009 21:09:48 GMT -5
Grr, ETA, don't make up a post go off and do other stuff and then post without refreshing.
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Post by Pollux Oil on May 14, 2009 21:12:35 GMT -5
This is absolutely worthless. I can't believe this shit.
I have, however, found a use for the ignore button.
Pleonast, consider yourself ignored.
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Post by KidVermicious on May 14, 2009 21:15:18 GMT -5
I don't know, but it was enough for them to block my lynch. Even stipulating that you are Town, you're assuming facts not in evidence. Blocking your lynch just to make us repeat Today all over again isn't exactly what I'd call bad play. I'm going to have to see something really scummy not to vote Pleo Tomorrow, but I won't be talking about it. Right now, Roosh and Ed are pretty high on my scum list. Roosh because he's running off on strange tangents that don't make sense, and Ed for reasons previously stated.
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Post by RoOsh on May 14, 2009 21:36:31 GMT -5
I've never seen "kill" used to mean "lynch". And I don't see any reason to think it means that in this game either. Why don't you ask the Mod, Pleo? As one who has shown you that people may have different words to mean different things... perhaps you and your definitions should get squared away with what OTHERS are using. A lynch is a Kill. If a player dies at the end of Night OR Day, they have been KILLED. Murder is murder. Hanging someone will kill someone just as much as Stabbing just as much as Capt. Hammer beating the crap out of them. You should have realized this on Night one. When the MOD used the words in the very first post of Night One: With that, he pulled the trigger and in a blast of red light, Sister Coyote was dead.Dead to me sounds like... she was you know... KILLED! The fact that you didn't get this clarified but are instead playing with the blind assumption that your definitions of words are the GLOBAL Definitions of words and meanings w/o asking for clarification... well. That's just silly. And not terribly helpful for the rest of us. Please. Figure these things out rather than come up with some elaborate plan to get yourself killed- oh wait, I mean "lynched". Because honestly, right now, I feel like you're TRYING to just cause us to waste lynches on you. Especially with this gem: As for my PM, I think my interpretation is reasonable. Apparently the scum believe so too, since I somehow survived the lynch. It failed because scum blocked it. And we will have to lynch me tomorrow. (Or do you think I should be left alive?) I don't know, but it was enough for them to block my lynch. So... you don't think you survived the lynch because of your Ability? Can you ask the Mod maybe? And then get back to us about that?
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Post by RoOsh on May 14, 2009 21:38:55 GMT -5
Right now, Roosh and Ed are pretty high on my scum list. Roosh because he's running off on strange tangents that don't make sense, and Ed for reasons previously stated. Feel free to ask, and I'll try to do my best to explain my thoughts. Just this next week is busy- so yeah, I will be kinda flittering about in my thoughts. If anything sounds weird, just ask me and I'll try to explain my thoughts better. But then after that hopefully my coherency will increase and I can dedicate myself fully to this game, because right now, I can't. But that doesn't mean I can't try to do my best.
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Post by Pleonast on May 15, 2009 0:35:18 GMT -5
I don't know, but it was enough for them to block my lynch. Even stipulating that you are Town, you're assuming facts not in evidence. Blocking your lynch just to make us repeat Today all over again isn't exactly what I'd call bad play. Yes, that's why I'm confident that my lynch was scum blocked. Why don't you ask the Mod, Pleo? There's no ambiguity in my PM's power description. But I'll ask anyway.
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Post by storyteller0910 on May 15, 2009 7:26:07 GMT -5
Look, Pleo, we know you're lying. No one has really emphasized this so far, but I'd like to emphasize it, which I will do using bold face text because I love bold face text.
If you actually wanted to be killed for a pro-Town reason, you'd have revealed your "weakness" already. You want to die? Then why withhold the mechanism by which you can "survive" supposed "Night kills?" If there's a Vig, (s)he could then kill you. The Scum could kill you, but if everything you've said is the truth that'd be the best thing they could do.
From here on out, I will be ignoring anything Pleonast says. Anyone who continues to engage him is engaging someone who's entire goal right now is to generate as much confusion as humanly possible, who is not going to be discussing in good faith. You will get nothing out of questioning Pleonast, who has clearly planned this fake claim well in advance. I'm going to make one more post about Pleonast, and then I'm going to drop the subject and look at the rest of the game.
There are two possible cases: (1) Pleonast is Scum; or (2) Pleonast is a Third-Party. I dismiss out of hand the possibility that (3) Pleonast is Town, because if he is, we're screwed beyond all measure and it's not worth worrying about it.
Let's look at the possibilities:
(1) Pleonast is Scum If Pleonast is Scum, he is not permamently lynch-proof. A Scum that cannot be lynched is game-breaking in the extreme. Suppose we have a Vig, and that Vig is killed or lynched in the opening Day. Game over - Scum cannot lose, because Pleonast cannot die. Thus, if Pleo is Scum, it is certain that his ability to evade yesterDay's lynch is a one-shot thing (whatever its nature). If Pleo is Scum, we should definitely lynch him toMorrow.
(2) Pleonast is a Third-Party In such a case, it is theoretically possible that he is lynch-proof. I doubt that he is not Night killable in such a case, though. Well, I guess it's possible. If he's Third Party, anything is possible - I mean, anything. When we were designing Evil Dead, one of the ideas we tossed around for a while was a role that would have no alignment at the outset of the game. This role would wind up becoming either Scum- or Town-aligned based on what happened in the game, but would be immune to any attempts to kill him/her, from any quarter, until his/her alignment was confirmed. Trying to figure out what to do if Pleo is third-party is going to wreck us. I propose the folllowing:
ToMorrow, we lynch Pleonast again. If he dies and is Town, then we might as well fold up the tents, because we're screwed. If he dies and is Scum, then the Scum have burned a player on forcing one mislynch, and I'll take it. If he dies and is Third-Party, then, frankly, I don't know. If he doesn't die, then we leave him alone for a while. Maybe the Scum will decide he is too much of a risk and take a shot at him. Maybe we have no true Vig, but rather one that activates at some subsequent date for some in-game reason, and (s)he will get activated and take a shot at Pleonast.
I think that we must lynch Pleonast Day Three. This, of course, is in spite of the fact that he is encouraging us to do it, which yesterDay I considered an argument against lynching him. My reasoning is simple: I think he's bluffing. I think the most likely circumstance is that he had a one-time lynch immunity, coupled with a one-time Day kill of some sort. He argued that we should lynch him, and we did. Now he's continuing to argue that we should lynch him, hoping that we will reverse field, since we don't trust him, and leave him alive indefinitely.
OK, time to think about the rest of the game.
And that's all I have to say about that.
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Post by Pleonast on May 15, 2009 9:44:07 GMT -5
Well, apparently the "Captain Hammer" in the end of the Day color is more than simple flavor, because he has to make a check against my self-protect power as well. Which means that lynching me is as unlikely as Night-killing me. It looks like you're stuck with me. Look, Pleo, we know you're lying. No one has really emphasized this so far, but I'd like to emphasize it, which I will do using bold face text because I love bold face text. If you actually wanted to be killed for a pro-Town reason, you'd have revealed your "weakness" already. You want to die? Then why withhold the mechanism by which you can "survive" supposed "Night kills?" If there's a Vig, (s)he could then kill you. The Scum could kill you, but if everything you've said is the truth that'd be the best thing they could do.1. I have no control over the mechanism. 2. The failure mode requires the cooperation of scum. I don't know what role. And I'm not giving out information that could help them in some way. Well, I'll certainly have fun watching your head explode once you're spoiled.
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Post by The Real FCOD on May 15, 2009 9:49:36 GMT -5
Well, apparently the "Captain Hammer" in the end of the Day color is more than simple flavor, because he has to make a check against my self-protect power as well. I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but the color does not reveal any information about game mechanics. Just because Captain Hammer tried to kill you in the color does not mean a Captain Hammer role (if it exists) attempted to kill you in the game, nor that a Captain Hammer role has anything to do with your role. It doesn't mean that it didn't happen, either. One has nothing to do with the other. Just sayin'. I really don't want there to be any speculation based upon the color. Because the film has few characters, I am using characters that are probable roles in the color but unless I specifically say so, "what happens in the color stays in the color," or something to that effect. --FCOD
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Post by KidVermicious on May 15, 2009 21:02:17 GMT -5
Yes, that's why I'm confident that my lynch was scum blocked. I thought you were confident it was blocked because they saw something they liked in your role PM. Try and keep your story straight, would you, please?
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Post by The Real FCOD on May 16, 2009 13:58:47 GMT -5
Dawn shortly.
--FCOD
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