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Post by special on May 18, 2009 20:28:23 GMT -5
Okay, beginning of Day Two, Inner Stickler says: Now zlw says: So...uh. Am I missing something here? Are you assuming sinjin the Godfather, or are you just not paying much attention. There you go being all logical again. It seems on the surface that the alignment of the detectives might be yet another topic of conversation that might not get us anywhere. However, count me among those not convinced that both of our investigators are Town. And a tracker is a powerful role for Scum to find Town power roles with. oh, and vote pleonast
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Post by zlw on May 18, 2009 20:52:07 GMT -5
Good catch? How so, clearly I believe our role PMs are the same and if Inner Sticklers PM was not close enough to mine he would say something. So regardless of alignment finds I find sinjin, or anyone that cannot comprehend the situation to be anti-town ie scum. Want to dispute it fine, but all common sense or any sense points to us both being town.
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Post by KidVermicious on May 18, 2009 20:58:54 GMT -5
I like the idea of the two of us picking separate targets. I do think you, zlw, should keep it under your hat so as not to scare any scum from making an action. I have no problem announcing my targets before hand as you can't hide your alignment. Don't do this. If you announce your target scum might be able to play with that.
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on May 18, 2009 21:12:43 GMT -5
Good catch? How so, clearly I believe our role PMs are the same and if Inner Sticklers PM was not close enough to mine he would say something. So regardless of alignment finds I find sinjin, or anyone that cannot comprehend the situation to be anti-town ie scum. Want to dispute it fine, but all common sense or any sense points to us both being town. So what is your logic behind contradicting his investigation on Sinjin?
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Post by KidVermicious on May 18, 2009 21:25:02 GMT -5
Yes, please, Zach. You've been caught in a blatant contradiction, and your attempt to wave it away instead of fessing up is a little scummy.
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Post by RoOsh on May 18, 2009 22:08:47 GMT -5
For a townsperson, no deaths on Night 1 or 2 means reduced information yields. True, but I assumed that with at least two potential investigators the chances of increases yield of information would be helpful even with the no death as it'd be double the info (with triple if we also had a kill, and I'm fine with 2 info data pieces and no deaths than 3 data pieces and a death- or worse yet, 2 or less data pieces and more deaths (if everyone overlapped onto the same targets). I can read now though that my faith in the investigators getting info was lacking. (-_-) Honestly now, Z and IS- a little skepticism is perfectly fine- one person does not a lynch make. So the fact that one of you investigated someone as town, and then the other one of you is still intent of calling them out as scum... yeah, I'm sorry, you're not earing yourselves any points there. As far as I see it, any investigator claim should be taken with grains of salts- hell, we could have 0 investigators (I don't think it's likely, but the fact that you seem to gloss over that is troubling- Storyteller was able to lead the town around for a few days by pulling off a fake investigator claim in a game where there were no power roles). So I think you should be content to accept that people will be doubting your competence, and the fact that you're resorting to blatant self-defensive tactics such as OMGUSing the person who votes for you is really... well unhelpful. You guys need to think this through and actually keep your shit together- ideas such as "let's announce our investigative results" or "lets investigate each other!" are... well really stupid- I read them with sarcasm but now I wonder if you were serious with that one ("let's investigate each other!" Honestly. ). If you have the capability to cover more ground, you guys should def. try to do that. And accept the skepticism- I for one will not trust investigators until they actually turn up some Scum- doesn't mean I think they're anywhere in the top for scum hunting/lynching, but still- you don't take things for granted in these sorts of games, because someone will exploit them. So yeah- pardon me if your overreactions to sinjin don't tend to inspire confidence in trusting you all the more yet. Also, I'm curious too about the Freezing and the Pleonast issue, especially in light of what happened to Sach. The freeze ray... it does point to a particular person in the canon who would use that weapon (Dr. H for you pleo- he tries to use it in episode two but then Capt. Hammer foils him, and it breaks down in #3.), but I'm not sure if I could try to infer anything more than that. :shrug:
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Post by Gir! on May 18, 2009 22:11:02 GMT -5
Your roles aren't traditional town roles. It is possible that there are no roles townside to counter you. It's also possible that one or both of you are telling the truth about your powers and that you are both scum and one of you really can do what you say you can do... but not for town. Yes they traditional are tracker and cop. Both standard roles, only tweak I know of is when we both choose the same target we get more goods. It sounds here like you're saying that you get better results or more results if you both choose the same target? If this is true, why did Inner Stickler say yesterDay: Wouldn't he have figured that the no result might be due to different targets?
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Post by Gir! on May 18, 2009 22:16:05 GMT -5
The reason I didn't clarify is because I wanted to keep the scum guessing on what either IS or I did. I realize that may be a mistake but I thought it would be best. Since that is out of the bag NAF sat around doing nothing out of the ordinary. Never mind, just got to this post. This is why I usually wait til I've read the whole thing to post. I also assumed that "nothing was revealed" meant "no result".
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Post by Almost Human on May 19, 2009 1:02:10 GMT -5
Not sure what to make about the zlw thing. At first I thought it was odd he claimed tracker but didn't see Pleo get his vote taken, though now I've reread his pm it looks as though he only sees what his target does and not what's done to them. The vote for sinjin is weird as IS has already investigated her as town. I do find it an anti town thing to do but not necessarily scummy. Definitely worth watching though. ------------------------------------------- Next point. I thought about this a lot before posting because I always find Total scummy and I'm almost always wrong so rather than an accusation here's a simple question: Do you plan to vote toDay? You didn't vote at all on Day one. On Day 2 you voted Mighty and then unvoted when Bill subbed in. And you only voted Mighty for lurking so there wasn't much of a case made at all. The Day ended with no vote from you though you said you'd have voted IS before his reveal if you'd been around. Thing is, that doesn't leave us much to go on. Rereading your posts you've given plenty of content, though the majority have been either game mechanics or disagreements with Pleo. Neither of these things make you anti town but they also don't give much indication of your allignment. As Pleo clearly wants to be voted for and lynched then scum are equally as likely to go after him as town so anything you say to him is a null tell. Ditto for discussing game mechanics. The only things I've noticed that don't relate to either of these things are your Wall of Words on NAF and subsequent observations which really just boil down to you wondering why he didn't give his last reason for voting Paul first. And this post:
This is a frustrating game.
Looks like this might be the game where you and NAF make it to end-game
I'm not sure what to make of the no-lynch. But since we didn't seem to have a NK last Night - now might be a good time to test if we can lynch Pleo.
However I'm still a bit worried if Pleo somehow can draw power from the votes on him. How about only people that votes for his lynch yesterDay, votes for him toDay? Better to be safe than sorry...Which I'm posting because I don't get it. Why do you think story and NAF might make it to end game and why do you think it's important to point it out? If you're simply referring to a second Night with no NK then I kind of get it but otherwise I'm stumped.
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Post by storyteller0910 on May 19, 2009 7:00:54 GMT -5
I think the zlw/Inner Stickler thing has been done to death already, so I'll keep my comments on it relatively brief.
While a measure of skepticism is of course warranted, the mutual confirmation made by the two roles is good enough for me for the moment. I am trying to envision a role structure where one of ther two claimants is scum, and while it's not impossible it would be a pretty anti-Town arrangement to make it impossible for one investigator to maximize his effectiveness without the cooperation of a Scum player. Since I don't believe two Scum would out themselves unprompted in this way, I am left with the working conclusion that both are Town and truthful. Based on that working conclusion, I will also go with the working conclusion that sinjin is either Town or a Godfather-type, and will not vote for her any time soon either.
It's time to get back to my Day One analysis. In the meanwhile, a question for Pleonast:
Do you claim to have done anything last Night? In other words, do you claim that zlw is telling the truth or lying?
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Post by storyteller0910 on May 19, 2009 7:45:12 GMT -5
DAY ONE ANALYSIS - PART THE SECOND
OK. When we left our intrepid adventurers (Day 2, Post #51), we had analyzed three pages worth of Day One and stood, as of Day 1, Post #95, thus:
Vote Count:
Sister Coyote (2) - zlw, Paul Roosh (1) - Pollux Pollux (1) - Sister Coyote Paul (1) - NAF1138 KidV (1) - Roosh
If I go with my working assumptions, above, then one of the two votes for Sister Coyote is Town (zlw) and one is uncertain (Paul). Let’s see what happened next.
Bunch of blah-blah about Pleonast’s claim precedes a switch by Pollux Oil from Roosh to sachertorte. Page 4 is otherwise uneventful. Sister Coyote unvotes. Paul stays on her butt a little, which of course is a modest check in the “Town” column for him (though only a modest one).
At #128, Stickler votes for Paul, thus creating a tie with Coyote. Natlaw does a bit of analysis, votes for Stickler. I’m not totally clear why. He spends a bit of time discussing sinjin’s interest in voting for / lynching Pleonast; sinjin is quite defensive. At #158 she quotes a passage from Natlaw in which he specifically disavows thinking she is Scum because of her position, then calls it a smudge and votes for Natlaw. I don’t know what to make of this, honestly.
Sachertorte’s post regarding Total Lost at #163 is extremely interesting. I recommend reading it in its entirety. He points out: (1) a possible language slip, which is of limited utility; and (2) a seeming effort to connect the alignments of various players in an “if-then” kind of way that doesn’t really connect. There’s some back-and-forth about this, but nothing really comes of it.
Pleonast votes for Pollux, but of course that’s not going to be of much value right now. At #192, Sister Coyote also votes for Pollux. If Pleo turns out to be Scum, do we think that, with one Scum already on the block, that two Scum would vote for a third Scum and bring him into a tie with the first Scum? IE, if Pleo is Scum, it seems to me to be a gentle indicator that Pollux is not. If Pleo is third-party, of course, it’s basically meaningless (though not entirely so).
At #204, Special Ed votes Pollux, thusly:
The above just doesn’t make sense to your narrator, folks. There were several players arguing that Pleo should live. On Day Two, I was one of them. Why didn’t Special Ed vote for me? Why are there only Scum or PFK motives for wanting Pleonast to live? Furthermore, if only Scum or PFK would want Pleonast to live, why is Special Ed casting a vote that makes it more likely that Pleonast will, in fact, live? Add to that the fact that Ed’s vote puts Pollux in the lead over Sister Coyote, and Special Ed comes out of this post looking Scummy.
Almost Human unloads on Sister Coyote (#205) and puts her back into a tie with a vote. Clearly a lot of time spent on the post, cutting apart all of Coyote’s arguments. Nothing probative, of course, but at this stage, a significant pro-Town checkmark in Almost Human’s ledger.
Sachertorte puts Pollux back in the lead shortly thereafter, and we stand as follows at Day 1, post #218.
Pollux (4) - Pleonast, Sister Coyote, Special Ed, sachertorte Sister Coyote (3) - zlw, Paul, Almost Human Paul (2) - NAF1138, Inner Stickler KidV (1) - Roosh sachertorte (1) - Pollux Inner Stickler (1) - Natlaw Natlaw (1) - sinjin
Pollux claims Groupie #1. Let’s assume, just for the sake of good times, that Pollux is telling the truth, and is what amounts to a Mason. A few people question the claim in a variety of ways. Sachertorte quickly unvotes, and almost immediately thereafter, Kat votes for Coyote, with reasoning. Coyote is now in the lead, and - with no other viable target - she surely looks like she’s in trouble (the votes on Pollux are not likely to remain and he’s certainly not going to get a lot of new votes, and the cases against everyone else on the block have stagnated). Thus I give Kat less pro-Town credit than I otherwise might for being the vote that puts Coyote in the lead; Kat could easily be Scum who sees which way the wind is blowing.
That brings us to the bottom of Page 8.
To sum up:
TOWN PINGS: Almost Human, Pollux Oil (esp. if Pleo is Scum), Paul (a bit) SCUM PINGS: Total Lost, Special Ed NEUTRAL PINGS: Kat, sinjin NO PING AT ALL: Everyone else
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Post by The Real FCOD on May 19, 2009 7:49:03 GMT -5
Vote count:
Pleonast (6) - Storyteller, KidVermicious, BillMc, Almost Human, Paul, Special Ed zlw (1) - sinjin sinjin (1) - zlw
--FCOD
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Post by The Real FCOD on May 19, 2009 7:53:13 GMT -5
Announcement!
I just realized that I made a mistake with the Town's win condition. If you are aligned with the Town and your win condition used to say: "You win when all non-Town roles are dead," change it to say, "You win when all ELE members are dead." I have updated the vanilla role PM to match this.
I apologize for the mistake, and please do not infer the existence or nonexistence of non-town non-ELE roles from this announcement.
--FCOD:highlighted:
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Post by storyteller0910 on May 19, 2009 7:58:28 GMT -5
Interesting. Given that announcement, any revisions you'd like to make to what you've told us so far, Pleonast?
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Post by Pleonast on May 19, 2009 9:30:34 GMT -5
I like the idea of the two of us picking separate targets. I do think you, zlw, should keep it under your hat so as not to scare any scum from making an action. I have no problem announcing my targets before hand as you can't hide your alignment. You should keep your target secret until after you have results. A suggestion though: investigate a player who has a significant number of votes. Normally, it's better for investigators to target players who have a high chance of surviving to end game. But since you're out, clearing the name of someone who's likely to be lynched the next Day helps the Town significantly. Do you claim to have done anything last Night? In other words, do you claim that zlw is telling the truth or lying? I took no actions during the Night, but I was affected by a power as I quoted earlier. The above just doesn’t make sense to your narrator, folks. There were several players arguing that Pleo should live. On Day Two, I was one of them. Why didn’t Special Ed vote for me? Why are there only Scum or PFK motives for wanting Pleonast to live? Furthermore, if only Scum or PFK would want Pleonast to live, why is Special Ed casting a vote that makes it more likely that Pleonast will, in fact, live? Add to that the fact that Ed’s vote puts Pollux in the lead over Sister Coyote, and Special Ed comes out of this post looking Scummy. The obvious answer to your underlined question: Special Ed is scum. I'm sure you realize that scum can make pro-Town arguments, too. And if it makes you feel any better, I think he didn't mention you because you're scum also. Pollux claims Groupie #1. Let’s assume, just for the sake of good times, that Pollux is telling the truth, and is what amounts to a Mason. No, if Pollux is telling the truth, then he's not a Mason. Confirming another player's role, but not their alignment, is not a Mason-like role. Interesting. Given that announcement, any revisions you'd like to make to what you've told us so far, Pleonast? Nope. Despite what you think, my claim is truthful.
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Post by storyteller0910 on May 19, 2009 10:16:18 GMT -5
DAY ONE ANALYSIS - PART THE THIRD
Let’s bring this puppy home. Early on, Stickler unvotes Paul. Shortly thereafter, KidV votes for Stickler. Roosh unvotes KidV and votes for Coyote. At this point, Coyote is in the shit pretty deep. We’re here:
Sister Coyote (5) - zlw, Paul, Almost Human, Kat!, Roosh Pollux (3) - Pleonast, Sister Coyote, Special Ed Inner Stickler (2) - Natlaw, KidVermicious Paul (1) - NAF1138 sachertorte (1) - Pollux Natlaw (1) - sinjin
Almost Human claims a groupie role confirming Pollux. More on the Groupies in a separate post.
Now a big moment. At #279, Paul unvotes Coyote and votes Stickler. Assuming (for the moment) that Stickler is Town and knowing the Coyote is Scum, this could be reflective of just about anything. Pleonast (surprise!) says he will stay with Pollux. Stickler piles back onto Coyote for a bit of a specious reason, putting her back in the lead by two again.
Sister Coyote (5) - zlw, Almost Human, Kat!, Roosh, Inner Stickler Inner Stickler (3) - Natlaw, KidVermicious, Paul Pollux (2) - Pleonast, Special Ed Paul (1) - NAF1138 sachertorte (1) - Pollux Natlaw (1) - sinjin
Now zlw unvotes Coyote. No reason given. Then votes Stickler, creating a tie. Sachertorte gets on Stickler, and now Stickler is in the lead! (This was a fascinating Day One). NAF arrives, unvoting Paul and voting Stickler, with the reasoning that you don’t vote for a claimed power role (based on Sister’s “I deliver messages” post). MHaye votes for Stickler, saying that the latter is prepared to throw away a player he [Stickler] thinks is probably Town.
Sinjin unvotes Natlaw and votes for zlw, related to the latter’s sudden vote switch and push for one-off voters to switch to a main candidate.
And... Stickler claims. zlw unvotes instantly. They handshake. Now Pleo gets off Pollux and climbs on zlw (for fishing). MHaye and NAF both unvote. NAF goes back to Paul, basically a throwaway vote at this point. Stickler unvotes Coyote. Chaos reigns supreme.
Following sachertorte’s unvote, we stand as follows:
Inner Stickler (3*) - Natlaw, KidVermicious, Paul Sister Coyote (3) - Almost Human, Kat!, Roosh zlw (2) - sinjin, Pleonast Pollux (1) - Special Ed sachertorte (1) - Pollux Paul (1) - NAF1138
Sinjin breaks the tie with a vote for Coyote, citing irregularities in the role PM. Sach piles on to Coyote now, to make sure there’s not a last-minute swap. Pleo votes for Pollux. MHaye helps out on the Sister Coyote train. Pleonast tries very hard to preserve Coyote, arguing against folks who vote for her. He is partly successful, engendering a last-minute change of heart from MHaye toward Pollux and away from Coyote.
Pleonast pushes for a zlw claim (#342). One is not forthcoming, the Day ends, and Sister Coyote, Scum, is lynched.
Whew! My thoughts on the Groupies will follow in a separate post, but for now I’m more comfortable than ever with lynching Pleonast. Nothing about his claim, or about the way he’s presented himself, makes even a little bit of sense. He is almost certainly lying about something. If he’s doing it as Town, well, then, that’s on him. If he’s doing it as Scum, then we’re going to have to kill him somehow, eventually, and waiting for a possibly theoretical Vigilante to do it for us hasn’t worked so far. If he’s doing it as a Third-Party actor, then, well, hell, we’ll burn that bridge when we come to it.
The final vote count looks like this:
Sister Coyote (5) - Almost Human, Kat!, Roosh, sinjin, sachertorte Pollux (3) - Special Ed, Pleonast, MHaye Inner Stickler (2) - KidVermicious, Paul sachertorte (1) - Pollux Paul (1) - NAF1138
My general guess is that of the five voters who took out Sister Coyote in the end, at least one will turn out to be Scum. I am leaning softly Town on Almost Human, particularly because of her Groupie claim, and we know sach to be Town, so that leaves Kat, Roosh, and sinjin. I think Special Ed is definitely worth a closer look toMorrow.
And there I rest Day One.
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Post by RoOsh on May 19, 2009 11:56:38 GMT -5
I have one question that's kinda bugging Me Pleonast:
Post 213 on Day 2 when you claim:
After you posted that, everyone got on your case about the recruitment thing and why you thought that.
Where on that post does it talk about you as being uncertain of your alignment? The fact that your alignment is spelled out: "TOWN" really kinda... throws me for a loop. Since when do players start looking at the flavor more than the little labels that tell you exactly what you are?
The fact that you used this on Day 1 to wave off the detectives is REALLY suspicious to me (Result #61 of Pleonast's 84 posts so far) on Day 1.
And I think if you live again tonight- you might def. be worth an investigation by an alignment cop- because the mechanism for an Unkillable GODFATHER (if you show up at Town) seems highly unlikely to me honestly. It would allay my fears on you slightly- but you could be a very hard to kill Scum or 3rd party group, and that's always good to know.
*Note* The above is not a demand to IS or anything like that bossing the investigators around. They know their roles and should do what's best. I'm just saying, it's just something to keep in mind.
Because the hand waving he did on Day 1 really... doesn't sit well with me especially with his PM being quite explicit on his role's alignment, especially since if I were in your shoes I'd kinda want those things clarified for me- and I think that would have been an easy question for FCOD to address (as he seems willing to make clarifications as noted above). Just a simple "So hey, do i show up as Town or Scum or what?" is not a difficult clarifying question if you were really uncertain about it, rather than your passive-aggressive way of telling the investigators that they're welcome to look at you but to take whatever results they get with a grain of salt because you might show up scummy....
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Post by Natlaw on May 19, 2009 13:47:52 GMT -5
I apologize for the mistake, and please do not infer the existence or nonexistence of non-town non-ELE roles from this announcement. But we can infer that any non-town, non-ELE role cannot steal the win. If there are any, then they are Third Party not (malicious) PFK. So if anyone investigate as TP then don't have to be anti-town, though they would still be a candidate of the recruitment-like-mechanic. I have one question that's kinda bugging Me <snip quote> After you posted that, everyone got on your case about the recruitment thing and why you thought that. Where on that post does it talk about you as being uncertain of your alignment? The fact that your alignment is spelled out: "TOWN" really kinda... throws me for a loop. Since when do players start looking at the flavor more than the little labels that tell you exactly what you are? The question that is bugging me more is: Pleonast, can you be lynched? Have you checked with FCOD about your odd notion that lynching is not killing? Do the (details omitted) not even hint you could or could not be lynched? Do you realize that scum blocking your lynch but not Sister Coyote's make no sense? With that in mind do you still advocate you should be lynched again? Ok, that was more than one question.
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Post by Natlaw on May 19, 2009 13:49:25 GMT -5
Oops, FCOD can you fix that? Apparently quoting your post highlights mine.
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Post by Total Ullz on May 19, 2009 14:29:39 GMT -5
Which I'm posting because I don't get it. Why do you think story and NAF might make it to end game and why do you think it's important to point it out? If you're simply referring to a second Night with no NK then I kind of get it but otherwise I'm stumped. It was a joke - as in... "with no NKs maybe Story and NAF won't be NKed Night 2" because they often get NKed... just that: a joke! As for me not voting - I've already said I'll not vote Pleo. Since he seems to be the one lynched (yet again) and since I'm fine with that - I assumed you would read my non-vote as a: I'm fine with this lynch but will not be part of it - because I think me might have some ulterior motive for his desire to get votes. I did a w-o-w on NAF because I wanted to re-read and then I might as well do a w-o-w at the same time. Only reason I picked NAF was: He was the first reply on Day 1.
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Post by Natlaw on May 19, 2009 14:30:44 GMT -5
Wow, that "Flying" part of the name is definitely not just a boast, fixed before I even can ask it . As an addendum to my earlier vote count post, the non-Pleonast votes of Day Two: - sinjin votes for MiteyMouse for lurking, Total Lost joins. Both unvote when BillMc subs in. - Almost Human votes Paul, but mentions after Pauls response, that her suspicion is a lot less but wanted to get something in besides Pleonast. - Pleonast and Kat! vote Ro0sh because 'Groupie is not mason!!'. Kat! also mentions his aggressive response to sachertorte unable to vote post. - Ro0sh places an OMGUS vote for Kat! (didn't want to vote Pleonast, so Kat! got it). None of them have real solid footing, except the case from AH which came from analysis (though Paul also got a minor thumbs up from storyteller). The easy vote to make was for Pleonast with just the common 'lynch him' sentiment, but the me-too / counter votes didn't require much work either.
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Post by Pleonast on May 19, 2009 14:50:07 GMT -5
Where on that post does it talk about you as being uncertain of your alignment? The fact that your alignment is spelled out: "TOWN" really kinda... throws me for a loop. Since when do players start looking at the flavor more than the little labels that tell you exactly what you are? I have no doubts about my current alignment, since that's spelled out explicitly. But the recruitment in this game and the wording of my role makes it seem very possible that my role is recruitable. And since when have you become so trusting of moderator's role descriptions? Aren't you usually the one trying to sow doubt about roles? I didn't have any questions about my role PM, per se. I don't expect the moderator to answer questions about my conjectures. The question that is bugging me more is: Pleonast, can you be lynched? Have you checked with FCOD about your odd notion that lynching is not killing? Do the (details omitted) not even hint you could or could not be lynched? No, I cannot be lynched. The reason I never considered that I was lynch-proof was because in my PM 1) there is no mention of lynching, and 2) it lists "roles" that cannot kill me. That is why I commented after getting the answer that the "Captain Hammer" is more than simple color. It's some sort of "role" because my power protects me from it. Why does it make no sense? Do you know something about the scum's blocking power that we don't? I don't know. I would say I shouldn't be lynched since it won't work, but being frozen might change the result. I do still want to be killed.
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Post by Pleonast on May 19, 2009 14:52:53 GMT -5
Oh, and where is everyone? And where is NAF?
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Post by sinjin on May 19, 2009 15:07:27 GMT -5
NAF's grandfather died and he went to the funeral. It's in the going to be away thread.
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Post by NAF1138 on May 19, 2009 15:37:48 GMT -5
Have I mentioned that I really really miss having a working muli quote function? Hi everyone, I'm back. I just finished reading this thread and will now be going back and putting up a flurry of posts as I get myself caught up. Also, 2 of the 4 games that I was concerned with have now ceased to be problems for me. So, hopefully I will be able to start keeping what is going on in the game straight in my head and not have to re read everything every time I sit down to play. This is a frustrating game. Why is it frustrating if no one dies in the morning? If anything that just gives us another day before LyLo. Unless of course people are being recruited or something like that, but still. No deaths usually is a good thing. A nice 1,2 quote combo for me to start off with. I agree with story that this is frustrating. Lack of deaths to the extent than we have had them (Pleo I am looking at you) is not a good thing, it means lack of information and right now I don't feel like I have a clue as to what is going on. I am surprised that you are so comfortable with the game Rooshy.
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Post by Natlaw on May 19, 2009 15:43:50 GMT -5
Why does it make no sense? Do you know something about the scum's blocking power that we don't? It makes no sense for you to speculate about a scum lynch-block, when your role says you cannot be killed. Yes, the part about certain roles not able to kill you does chance that somewhat. It makes no sense to not block a strongman's lynch. There could be special triggers needed before it could be used, but the explanation of you being a Scotsman is simply more simple. No, I don't know anything about the lynch block you brought up. I did have a lynch block power as town in Super!Smash!Bros!, but I couldn't think of any plausible scenario where it would have been pro-town to use (maybe at a late claim or a 3v1 end-game). Even single-shot, it would be a very powerful scum power.
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on May 19, 2009 15:49:24 GMT -5
Which I'm posting because I don't get it. Why do you think story and NAF might make it to end game and why do you think it's important to point it out? If you're simply referring to a second Night with no NK then I kind of get it but otherwise I'm stumped. It was a joke - as in... "with no NKs maybe Story and NAF won't be NKed Night 2" because they often get NKed... just that: a joke! As for me not voting - I've already said I'll not vote Pleo. Since he seems to be the one lynched (yet again) and since I'm fine with that - I assumed you would read my non-vote as a: I'm fine with this lynch but will not be part of it - because I think me might have some ulterior motive for his desire to get votes. I did a w-o-w on NAF because I wanted to re-read and then I might as well do a w-o-w at the same time. Only reason I picked NAF was: He was the first reply on Day 1. Not wanting to be a part of the Pleo lynch and being fine with it does not preclude you from voting for who you find scummiest. Not voting provides us with no way to understand your true intentions. You didn't vote the Day that SisC was lynched. How are we to know that your non-vote wasn't an effort to prevent her from being lynched without making it obvious that you were trying to do so?
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Post by NAF1138 on May 19, 2009 15:52:10 GMT -5
However I'm still a bit worried if Pleo somehow can draw power from the votes on him. How about only people that votes for his lynch yesterDay, votes for him toDay? Better to be safe than sorry... Do you think this is Heroes and he's absorbing powers from the voters? If that's your line of thought, then the opposite could apply - he could use a power from a non-voter. Indeed, the only way to kill him may be for everyone to vote him. I can't read Pleo at the best of times, but at the moment if feels like its written in chinese, in invisibile ink. Vote: Pleo [/color][/quote] Another 1,2 so I can talk about Pleo a bit. I don't know what to do about Pleo. I would like to say we just ignore him, but I don't want to let him live either. We have caught 1 scum so far and the game is still early and has been light on death, so we can probably aford to risk another no lynch on Pleo I suppose. If he is a scotsman is should only survive once right? I don't know what to do if he doesn't die again. I don't like anything I know about Pleo right now though.
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on May 19, 2009 15:54:44 GMT -5
I didn't have any questions about my role PM, per se. I don't expect the moderator to answer questions about my conjectures. FCOD has made it very clear that he will not answer questions concerning things that we have not received any information on... he also has answered questions concerning things we DO have info on for the sake of clarification. So I see no reason for you to assume that he would not answer your questions.... you do know what happens when you makes Assumptions right?
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Post by NAF1138 on May 19, 2009 15:55:34 GMT -5
I think this is a much better reason than "for his vote" or "don't have much time and finds Paul scummiest". So why not just say that in the first place? From my point of view it was more or less the same reasoning every time I posted. I am not sure where you are seeing the discrepency. No one likes metagame arguments so I am trying to minimize metagaming as part of my case against people I recently played scum with. Doesn't change the fact that Pauls postings still have the same ring to them as when he was scum in Alpha Centauri.
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