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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on May 19, 2009 15:56:24 GMT -5
Have I mentioned that I really really miss having a working muli quote function? I just right click on the quote button and select open in new tab... then copy and paste the part I want to quote into one reply field. If you want to split up one quote, I just copy and paste the tags into the places that I want to quote split up at.
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on May 19, 2009 15:58:06 GMT -5
I think this is a much better reason than "for his vote" or "don't have much time and finds Paul scummiest". So why not just say that in the first place? From my point of view it was more or less the same reasoning every time I posted. I am not sure where you are seeing the discrepency. No one likes metagame arguments so I am trying to minimize metagaming as part of my case against people I recently played scum with. Doesn't change the fact that Pauls postings still have the same ring to them as when he was scum in Alpha Centauri. How do they?
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Post by NAF1138 on May 19, 2009 16:02:28 GMT -5
And while I agree with getting Pleo I think the person who is the scummiest is the one trying her hardest to lynch me for Days. It is clear either me and Inner Stickler are lying which in that case town does not have any investigator roles, or we are telling the truth and in that case sinjin has been proven to be anti-town no less than Pleonast. Since I think Pleonast is a third party we can just ignore right now, I clearly see sinjin as scum. So OMGUS whatever be damned I want to hit scum. vote sinjinI know it has been hit on several times already, but ZLW sinjin was investigated by a cop. So either you don't believe that IS is a cop (and I think we have established that you do) or you think sinj is the godfather (in which case now is really not the time to try to lynch her) or you are paying less attention to the game than me. If you aren't paying attention, start. Or at least put in some effort to refresh your memory before slinging accusations. If you think she is a godfather type, fine, but lets maybe wait on that one for a bit. There is a time to go hunting for the godfather figures, and early in the game isn't it.
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Post by NAF1138 on May 19, 2009 16:04:38 GMT -5
From my point of view it was more or less the same reasoning every time I posted. I am not sure where you are seeing the discrepency. No one likes metagame arguments so I am trying to minimize metagaming as part of my case against people I recently played scum with. Doesn't change the fact that Pauls postings still have the same ring to them as when he was scum in Alpha Centauri. How do they? It's hard to explain, which is why I haven't voted for you again since Day 1. I am not tunnel visioned here and I can look for other people while keeping an eye on you. You were a good vote then, but without something more you aren't now. But I'm watching since I am fairly sure there will be a something more. I only brought it up at all because I was asked about it.
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on May 19, 2009 16:11:44 GMT -5
How do they? It's hard to explain, which is why I haven't voted for you again since Day 1. I am not tunnel visioned here and I can look for other people while keeping an eye on you. You were a good vote then, but without something more you aren't now. But I'm watching since I am fairly sure there will be a something more. I only brought it up at all because I was asked about it. That's fine... I only ask because people always seem to think I am scum... not just one player.... pretty much everyone seems to in most every game I play in. I usually end up surviving for quite a while in spite of it... but it's annoying... and I want to figure out what it is that people find scummy...
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Post by NAF1138 on May 19, 2009 16:12:20 GMT -5
Cowman, can we get a vote count?
I want to lay my vote on Pleo before I wrap up my musings for the day, but I don't want to threaten a countdown. That's all I have time for at the moment, missing a day and a half of work has put me a bit in the weeds, but I will be back later and should have no more participation problems.
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on May 19, 2009 16:17:29 GMT -5
FCOD, would you be willing to extend an invitation to Sachertorte to take over Boozy's role instead of modkilling him? Or has Sach already been spoiled? Have you checked for anyone else interested in subbing in? I noticed that Bufftabby isn't on the Playerlist... you could try her now that her BB is fixed.
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Post by sinjin on May 19, 2009 16:23:27 GMT -5
Ok, I did a complete reread starting at night zero. A couple of items caught my attention related to SisterCoyote, Roosh and zlw. To recap: The post N0.43 that started things off: Later on she claims she forgot that scum can Day Talk. Note Roosh also claims not to know that scum can DayTalk in N0.45 zlw votes for SisterC for this mistake in post D1.2 while surprisingly ignoring Roosh's similar post. SisterC then makes a joke about joke voting for zlw then votes Pollux for joke-voting Roosh: post D1.56After getting more heat about her Night 0 post she posts this D1.113Bolding added. I get the feeling of a newb scum over compensating for a scum buddy. This coupled with Roosh's many rambling posts on masons good and evil. His continued insistence that one groupie's death will somehow confirm the others and his insistence that we call them masons makes me think SCUM. Admittedly Roosh was the 4th vote on SC D1 and that might be considered a mitigating circumstance. However, he is a kind of fast and loose player. I feel he would have no qualms bussing a scumbuddy to gain town cred. Couple that with zlw hopping off the SC lynch at the drop of a hat onto IS, yeah; I think both Roosh and zlw are scum. Putting it out there now in case scum are daykillers and I don't live to see the night. Now I think I'll go off and have a glass of paranoia to go with my Pleonast WIFOM.
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Post by zlw on May 19, 2009 16:26:14 GMT -5
Who is the best person to attack any rookie investigator? Scum you have an answer? I bet it would be the Godfather since he comes back as town. I'm not that stupid, and I am keeping track of the people who think I am.
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Post by Total Ullz on May 19, 2009 16:26:35 GMT -5
Not wanting to be a part of the Pleo lynch and being fine with it does not preclude you from voting for who you find scummiest. Not voting provides us with no way to understand your true intentions. You didn't vote the Day that SisC was lynched. How are we to know that your non-vote wasn't an effort to prevent her from being lynched without making it obvious that you were trying to do so? I think there is a difference. Day 1 - I was reading up and didn't get there in time before Day ended. I say that. Day 3 - I'm here. Saying I think Pleo might get power for the votes on him. I don't really understand how you can think I find anyone more scummiy than Pleo. But I don't mind saying it again: I don't believe a word Pleo says. I think he has ulterior motives and I can't see him being even remotely on towns side. I still think we should be careful to vote for him - and the "better safe then sorry"-remark is still how I feel.
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Post by sinjin on May 19, 2009 16:33:42 GMT -5
Yeah but TL just because you don't want to vote for Pleo how about a vote for you're second scummiest. You've played the game a lot. Not voting three days in a row = not good. You are climbing my ladder of scummitude.
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Post by Total Ullz on May 19, 2009 16:38:36 GMT -5
Yeah but TL just because you don't want to vote for Pleo how about a vote for you're second scummiest. You've played the game a lot. Not voting three days in a row = not good. You are climbing my ladder of scummitude. I know - and I have said I'm sorry. Day 1 - reading to catch up Day 2 - busy IRL Day 3 - no idea where to go right now I'm not saying I won't vote at all - just that right now I have no idea. All we did was talk about Pleo. I wish Seattleguy was in the game - I always find him scummy!
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Post by Total Ullz on May 19, 2009 16:39:53 GMT -5
And I would pull a "scum would never do that" on you - but NAF would lynch me for it ;D
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on May 19, 2009 16:44:09 GMT -5
Who is the best person to attack any rookie investigator? Scum you have an answer? I bet it would be the Godfather since he comes back as town. I'm not that stupid, and I am keeping track of the people who think I am. I don't think you are stupid... but I do think you are acting awfully squirmy for a supposed outed town investigator... even in this post you did not directly come out and say that you think Sinjin is a Godfather.... you left it up to us to infer.... And if you do, then NAF is right... now is not the time to try to lynch her. Keep it in the back of your mind, and when it gets more narrowed down we can lynch her... as it is, the scum know that we think she is the godfather and are more likely to leave her alive if she is town just to savor that WIFOM. So if she is scum, they aren't gonna kill her, but if she isn't then she pretty much has a pass until the real godfather is dead. I for one don't think it is worth it to take a chance at losing even a nilla townie for a shot at a pretty much powerless scum.
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Post by RoOsh on May 19, 2009 16:46:07 GMT -5
I am surprised that you are so comfortable with the game Rooshy. As I said above- I was in the mind set that we were going to get more information from the investigators- so a non-death for a potential 2 data points would have been a nice trade off. I see this was not the case. So yeah- Z, if you're keeping a list: I think you're stupid. Not Scummy, just foolish and reckless in your accusations- I hope you'll prove me wrong. You remind me of a less cautious Dotchan.
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on May 19, 2009 16:46:29 GMT -5
Yeah but TL just because you don't want to vote for Pleo how about a vote for you're second scummiest. You've played the game a lot. Not voting three days in a row = not good. You are climbing my ladder of scummitude. I know - and I have said I'm sorry. Day 1 - reading to catch up Day 2 - busy IRL Day 3 - no idea where to go right now I'm not saying I won't vote at all - just that right now I have no idea. All we did was talk about Pleo. I wish Seattleguy was in the game - I always find him scummy! I don't mean to add some metagame suspicion to the hole you are digging.... but I have been supremely busy as well... and I still manage to get a vote in... even NAF has gotten his votes in and he's been away... Vote early and often!
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Post by RoOsh on May 19, 2009 16:52:08 GMT -5
Keep it in the back of your mind, and when it gets more narrowed down we can lynch her... as it is, the scum know that we think she is the godfather and are more likely to leave her alive if she is town just to savor that WIFOM. So if she is scum, they aren't gonna kill her, but if she isn't then she pretty much has a pass until the real godfather is dead. And this Z is where your power comes in as being the more useful one vs. IS. Your strength is in the later Game, Zlw- because when scum's numbers decrease, the Godfather will have to start making kills. Your first ability would be able to detect a Godfather who makes a NK, while IS would just report that person as "Town" most likely. That's why if you feel someone is a Godfather, you should keep that list for sure, and come back to it later on- scum are probably not going to use the GF to make NKs early on- but as the game goes on, it's def. worth checking up on the people you wanna look at. However, calling them out randomly especially after they've been investigated by IS doesn't help your case any- in fact, if you did find the GF, they'd be Even more likely to NOT try to NK now for fear of being investigated by you. You've got a very useful late game power, use it well, zlw. You and IS need to work separately to cut down the pool of people we have out there and get some data on the boards especially with the no NKs.
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Post by RoOsh on May 19, 2009 16:54:53 GMT -5
- Ro0sh places an OMGUS vote for Kat! (didn't want to vote Pleonast, so Kat! got it). None of them have real solid footing, except the case from AH which came from analysis (though Paul also got a minor thumbs up from storyteller). The easy vote to make was for Pleonast with just the common 'lynch him' sentiment, but the me-too / counter votes didn't require much work either. Nice. An OMGUS, huh? Except I never voted for Kat. Check the final Vote Counts. I was one of the earlier Pleo Votes, and I stayed on it, dude. This is the 2nd time my Vote has been misattributed. I believe Sinjin did this Day 2, and now you- who's gonna be the guy who messes up my vote toMorrow?
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Post by Total Ullz on May 19, 2009 16:56:25 GMT -5
I don't mean to add some metagame suspicion to the hole you are digging.... but I have been supremely busy as well... and I still manage to get a vote in... even NAF has gotten his votes in and he's been away... Vote early and often! You know what? MHaye has his grudge-speak - I love it!! I just think I'll have my very own Total-speak: You can say I'm scummy. But there is no need for you to say that I'm not telling the truth about RL-issues. That's not in the spirit of the game. I don't mind people lying in-game - but so suggest that I'm lying about a non-vote like that - bad style on your behalf.
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Post by sinjin on May 19, 2009 17:03:20 GMT -5
This is the 2nd time my Vote has been misattributed. I believe Sinjin did this Day 2, and now you- who's gonna be the guy who messes up my vote toMorrow? Um no, I misattributed a Pleo theory to you.
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Post by RoOsh on May 19, 2009 17:06:08 GMT -5
I don't mean to add some metagame suspicion to the hole you are digging.... but I have been supremely busy as well... and I still manage to get a vote in... even NAF has gotten his votes in and he's been away... Vote early and often! Very true- I've been busy as well and I'm still getting this time in to vote in this post. The more I think about it, the more I feel that Pleonast is more likely to be a strongman than a recruitable scum. Nothing in his PM really struck me as Recruitable or Alignment unknown. Now he could be reading his PM differently, but it's a VERY radical different, and the way he's been presenting information to the Town is just frustratingly unhelpful (refusing to basically ask the Mod anything he deems that the Mod won't answer). Also, that "details omitted" line in his PM reveal bugs me too. It's an easy cop out if you can't change flavor to just have that line there- especially since the rest of his PM doesn't mention the recruitment as anything more than "you've been kicked out of the ELE" and also the alignment's pretty solidly spelled out as "town", so for him to be misreading something, it seems gotta be in the - Omitted- portion, and NOT the parts he's been showing. That coupled with the fact that when Natlaw else above asked him about that (was the lynching information in the Omitted part?) He just responds to the Q, but doesn't mention the omitted portions. If i were in his shoes- and my role is being questioned- I would try to post all parts of it, especially when the parts he feels he is "misreading" don't really seem that confusing- with the Omitted portion he seems to have an out- as it makes me (and probably others) think, "oh, well even if I don't think that "alignment=Town" could be misread, maybe there's something in the Omitted parts?) But then holding back that information when being questions really is suspicious. For that reason: Vote Pleonast.
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Post by RoOsh on May 19, 2009 17:07:44 GMT -5
Um no, I misattributed a Pleo theory to you. Fair enough. I misattributed a Misttributed Vote then. But at least I was right on who did it. But yeah, it was that weird theory. Still equally annoying none the less (maybe even more so).
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on May 19, 2009 17:13:34 GMT -5
I don't mean to add some metagame suspicion to the hole you are digging.... but I have been supremely busy as well... and I still manage to get a vote in... even NAF has gotten his votes in and he's been away... Vote early and often! You know what? MHaye has his grudge-speak - I love it!! I just think I'll have my very own Total-speak: You can say I'm scummy. But there is no need for you to say that I'm not telling the truth about RL-issues. That's not in the spirit of the game. I don't mind people lying in-game - but so suggest that I'm lying about a non-vote like that - bad style on your behalf. Oh no Ullz.... I wasn't saying you were lying... just encouraging you to change your voting style to early and often instead of reserving your vote for the end of the day when you could potentially be prevented from coming in to do so.... I have no doubt you were truly busy! Sorry if it cam off that way, but I really did just mean that not voting is really bad for town.... and it can be prevented in spite of how busy we get.
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on May 19, 2009 17:14:18 GMT -5
- Ro0sh places an OMGUS vote for Kat! (didn't want to vote Pleonast, so Kat! got it). None of them have real solid footing, except the case from AH which came from analysis (though Paul also got a minor thumbs up from storyteller). The easy vote to make was for Pleonast with just the common 'lynch him' sentiment, but the me-too / counter votes didn't require much work either. Nice. An OMGUS, huh? Except I never voted for Kat. Check the final Vote Counts. I was one of the earlier Pleo Votes, and I stayed on it, dude. This is the 2nd time my Vote has been misattributed. I believe Sinjin did this Day 2, and now you- who's gonna be the guy who messes up my vote toMorrow? I could Roosh... but just because you ask so nicely...
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Post by Total Ullz on May 19, 2009 17:16:55 GMT -5
You know what? MHaye has his grudge-speak - I love it!! I just think I'll have my very own Total-speak: You can say I'm scummy. But there is no need for you to say that I'm not telling the truth about RL-issues. That's not in the spirit of the game. I don't mind people lying in-game - but so suggest that I'm lying about a non-vote like that - bad style on your behalf. Oh no Ullz.... I wasn't saying you were lying... just encouraging you to change your voting style to early and often instead of reserving your vote for the end of the day when you could potentially be prevented from coming in to do so.... I have no doubt you were truly busy! Sorry if it cam off that way, but I really did just mean that not voting is really bad for town.... and it can be prevented in spite of how busy we get. I'm sorry - I misunderstood. *lol* I'm not a MARK for fb - I'll vote. But I have to have something to base the vote on. I'll look for more tomorrow
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Post by Merestil Haye on May 19, 2009 17:27:21 GMT -5
NAF
The few times I've used Multiquote, it does work. There's just a bit of tidying up to do in the quoted text. Alternately you can use Paul's suggestion of opening the post you want to quote in a new tab, quote that and c&p it into a WP document to edit.
If you're willing to trust the word of a fellow player, the vote count stands as follows.
Pleonast 7 : Storyteller (D03.002), KidVermicious (D03.009), BillMc (D03.013), Almost Human (D03.018), Paulwhoisaghost (D03.027), Special Ed (D03.060), Roosh (D03.110) zlw : 1 Sinjin (D03.024) Sinjin 1 : zlw (D03.030)
We're very close to starting the countdown. Another one puts us in hammer range. I won't be voting until tomorrow evening at the earliest, and I urge others to think before voting now.
From where I'm sitting, Zach's vote looks like an almost pure OMGuS vote, forgetting that IS has investigated Sinj and pronounced her Town-aligned. Now we know we have to allow for the possibility of a Godfather, so IS might be wrong; but really, if you publically claim you believe IS, you have no business voting someone he claims is town without convincing evidence - convincing to other people as well as yourself.
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Post by The Real FCOD on May 19, 2009 17:32:43 GMT -5
Vote count:
Pleonast (7) - Storyteller, KidVermicious, BillMc, Almost Human, Paul, Special Ed, Roosh zlw (1) - sinjin sinjin (1) - zlw
--FCOD
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Post by sinjin on May 19, 2009 17:39:34 GMT -5
FTR I'm up for a Pleo lynch kill today too. I'll be changing my vote late in the day just like yesterday to give those with low post counts a chance to vote. I just want people to know who I'm suspicious of in case I end up torted at Day end.
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Post by KidVermicious on May 19, 2009 18:24:22 GMT -5
Unvote: Pleo .
I'll be putting it back later.
Zach, your refusal to to answer direct questions with a straight say is scummy. My vote is going on you for now.
Vote: Zach Lee Wright .
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Post by zlw on May 19, 2009 18:59:05 GMT -5
If straight say is now a requirement peeker is in trouble in any game he is in. I said my piece on the situation, lynch me whatever. At this point I don't care, scum have succeeded since Day 1 on guiding the talking points were they want. And I refuse to jab with sinjin and now with you.
OTOH I can just say this, why no attack on sinjin or anyone else, for questioning my claim when if it was fake IS would have said something? We had to have close to the same PM and while not exact I am 100 percent sure that he is legit or a real detective would have emerged. And if he is real and we have almost the same PMs?? You need to buy a vowel? 1+1=2 No matter how badly scum are trying to say it doesn't. Exactly right, she and others can get by with smudging me so bad I feel shit covered. That is scummy, scummy scummy scummy.
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