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Post by Total Ullz on May 26, 2009 13:41:16 GMT -5
Your code said: (you can see this if you hit quote) (color=Blue)(/color) VOTE TOADFOOT If the name had been placed between the (color=blue) and the (/color) the name would have been blue.
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Post by Total Ullz on May 26, 2009 13:45:07 GMT -5
I was thinking: if we don't have a nightkill some night it can only mean there's a doctor, right? Unless Scum is doing some kind of WIFOM thing and choosing not to NK in order to make us think there's a doctor; and considering how little room for error there is already, I can't see why they would waste a Night like that. Okay, rereading that paragraph has made me decide it's time for bed. I'm not thinking straight enough to communicate. Good night, all. Is it just me or is Toadfoot asking if there is a doctor? Surely only SCUM would want to know this as the rest of us have nothing to gain from knowing VOTE TOADFOOT Sorry for all the posts - but back to the game: I don't think asking about power is a scum-tell. I've said it before but I really don't understand why anyone would think scum would go fishing. They already have so much information - it's Town that will ask silly questions (or that has been what I've seen in the game I've played). So I'm going to Vote daclad for voting a player only asking questions. /OoG - if you hit "quote" to this post you'll see my code for voting
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Post by daclad on May 26, 2009 14:20:18 GMT -5
Is it just me or is Toadfoot asking if there is a doctor? Surely only SCUM would want to know this as the rest of us have nothing to gain from knowing VOTE TOADFOOT Sorry for all the posts - but back to the game: I don't think asking about power is a scum-tell. I've said it before but I really don't understand why anyone would think scum would go fishing. They already have so much information - it's Town that will ask silly questions (or that has been what I've seen in the game I've played). So I'm going to Vote daclad for voting a player only asking questions. /OoG - if you hit "quote" to this post you'll see my code for voting UnVote Toadfoot Thats just in-case the vote was counted, thanks Total lost i think i have the color worked out now. I only voted as i am running out of ideas as to who could be SCUM. This game is pretty hard to work out on day one but i will persevere and look back at all the threads again.
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Post by MiteyMouse on May 26, 2009 14:29:32 GMT -5
Vote count! Daclad 1 (TotalLost)
Remember that votes are in blue and unvotes in red.
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Post by MiteyMouse on May 26, 2009 14:43:57 GMT -5
daclad...if you use these tags, it does the work for you... Vote: Unvote:
Now betweed the tags you put a space...I will use_ as the space to show you... Vote: _playername_ That will make the vote come out bold and blue. Unvote: _playernamt_ That will be bold and red.
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Post by Mahaloth on May 26, 2009 15:48:05 GMT -5
Is it just me or is Toadfoot asking if there is a doctor? Surely only SCUM would want to know this as the rest of us have nothing to gain from knowing VOTE TOADFOOT That makes no sense at all. Why would only scum inquire about there being a doctor? Are you just choosing who you vote for and reverse engineering a reason for it? Scummy. Vote daclad
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Post by MiteyMouse on May 26, 2009 15:49:11 GMT -5
Vote count! Daclad 2 (TotalLost, Mahaloth)
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Post by Total Ullz on May 26, 2009 15:54:07 GMT -5
I only voted as i am running out of ideas as to who could be SCUM. This game is pretty hard to work out on day one but i will persevere and look back at all the threads again. I know what you mean - and my vote for you is very weak indeed. But we all have to vote at sometime and we all have to vote for what we feel is scummy/anti-town. That said: A vote is never cast in stone - we can all change our mind and we can all make mistakes. I hope I'm not making one with mine right now - but as the mod has pointed out: We really need to start voting in this game!
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Post by Guy Incognito on May 26, 2009 18:11:17 GMT -5
If Toadfoot had implied that he wanted the DOC to claim, then I'd vote his way. But he was just discussing a possible future scenario. If we all survive the night, it would imply that we have a DOC. So, as much as I still think it's a weak vote, it's the best I got, and less than an hour to go So [blue]vote Daclad [/blue]
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Post by toadfoot on May 26, 2009 18:32:39 GMT -5
Wow, someone wants to lynch me. Huh. I don't know how to react to that. I know I need to defend myself, but I'm not sure what to say. Really, daclan, my previous post was not an invitation to lynch me! No, I definitely was not fishing. It was basically just thinking out loud about various permutations and consequences of the current setup. I was going, "if we know this, does that mean that we know that?" I can see, now, why that could be seen as somewhat scummy. My only excuse is that I was tired. And I realized I wasn't making a lot of sense and decided to quit for the night. I should have waited on that kind of speculation until we actually had some info to go on. I'll probably make similar posts after someone dies, since every lynch gives us more info. I'm not going to counter-vote daclad, because right now I don't think he was doing anything more than trying to get things moving. But we do need to lynch someone soon, so I'm going to go back through the posts we do have and see if I can spot anything I find suspicious. I promise to vote on someone tonight.
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Post by Guy Incognito on May 26, 2009 19:22:13 GMT -5
Well, it's 8:20 EST, so I guess we're into FLUFF. I hope we got our lynch right.
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Post by ichinisanshigo on May 26, 2009 19:26:13 GMT -5
toadfoot: I should have waited on that kind of speculation until we actually had some info to go on. I'll probably make similar posts after someone dies, since every lynch gives us more info.But why? The first time you asked about roles was understandable since it was the beginning and we needed something to talk about. You were told that untoward curiosity about roles could be construed as fishing, but in a later post you wondered about power roles again. And now it seems like you're saying, "Okay okay, that was a mistake, my bad, I'll just wait until someone dies before asking again". But a lynch gives us no info about power roles unless we somehow manage to lynch a PR on day one ( ), and the only info we get regarding roles via the night kill is if there isn't one. At any rate, it is largely irrelevant to us. The only ones who have a vested interest in who/what/how many power roles there are are the scum. Third time's a charm: Vote toadfoot
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Post by IronHorse on May 26, 2009 19:43:05 GMT -5
Well, it's 8:20 EST, so I guess we're into FLUFF. I hope we got our lynch right. It's still Tuesday around here. So we have another 24 hours. I'm actually a little suspicious that you didn't see my post earlier saying we had 36. Crimson glyph always talked about skimming being a possible scumtell.
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Post by Guy Incognito on May 26, 2009 19:52:18 GMT -5
Wow, I'm an idiot. Thanks Big T. Been a very long day.
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Post by IronHorse on May 26, 2009 20:14:15 GMT -5
Well, I can't be too hard on people making mistakes, as, apparently I did too with the wording of that one post. I just brought it up because it's all I've got. If I thought it was a real for-sure scumtell, I would have already voted for you.
BTW, what I want to do is to throw out ideas and see what other people think. Since I'm new, it seems like that would be a good option. What do you guys think?
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Post by MiteyMouse on May 26, 2009 20:27:22 GMT -5
Vote count! Daclad 3 (TotalLost, Mahaloth, Guy Incognito) Toadfoot 1 (Mister Blockey, ichinisanshigo)
It takes 5 votes to hammer!
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Post by Guy Incognito on May 26, 2009 20:34:49 GMT -5
If you got ideas Big T Go ahead. The time to try out ideas is in mini games like this. It's like a trial run for new players. Plus, as a new player, you may have new, creative ideas. Just don't claim on day 1, unles you are about to get lynched.
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Post by IronHorse on May 26, 2009 20:49:09 GMT -5
Well, the only thing I'm thinking right now is either Daclad is scum, or one or more of the people who voted for him is scum. If not, scum could really easily hammer him right now.
Anyways, I was more asking for later ideas. I wasn't sure if I should give them out as I am thinking of them, or later when I have enough info to vote. I think I'll just mix and match.
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Post by Guy Incognito on May 26, 2009 21:05:09 GMT -5
Big T For a first game, your insight is impressive. This would be considered a WiFoM situation. What you said is a possiblity. However, if Daclad, Total Lost, Mahaloth, and I are all TOWN, and the Scum were able to hammer, they'd be silly to. If suddenly 2 more people jumped on board with the lynch, they'd be the fastest target the next day.
Usually, if there is a hammer, the player who places the hammer vote, and the person who voted to put it 1 vote to hammer are considered scummy (unless it's right at the end of the day and they want to get their voting record) And there is your WiFoM. SCUM know this is a tell, and usually don't place the hammer.
The other possibility is that Daclad is Scum. The other Scum player could have voted for him. This is refered to as "bussing", or getting "Town Cred". If Daclad turns out to be Scum, then those who placed their vote on him appear to be more likely Town, and survive longer.
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Post by Guy Incognito on May 26, 2009 21:07:39 GMT -5
As you play, you will see people use the line "Scum would never do that". This will be argued quickly, as the best way to play Scum, is to play like you are Town. Doing something that Scum would never do can be the smartest Scum play.
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Post by toadfoot on May 26, 2009 22:20:16 GMT -5
(I can't get the quote function to work right. I don't know what I'm doing wrong.)
ichnisanchigo, I've been analyzing your post, and going through it point by point, your argument seems to break down to: 1. Asking about power roles is a scum tell. 2. You did it once, that was just a rookie mistake 3. You said you were going to keep asking about power roles. 4. Scum!
I can see how you would see it that way, but that's not what it was. I asked about what it would mean if there were no NK. I was not fishing, I was trying to figure out what the strategies of this configuration are. You point out that we only get information if there is no NK. I was trying to say, well what if there is no NK, what do we learn? I still think that's a valid question. You seem to think it is, too, you just think it would be scummy for me to ask.
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Post by MiteyMouse on May 27, 2009 1:09:25 GMT -5
About 18 hours left to Day 1!
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Post by MiteyMouse on May 27, 2009 11:17:58 GMT -5
7 hours 45 minutes left to Day 1!
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Post by toadfoot on May 27, 2009 11:52:42 GMT -5
Well, here's the thing. It looks like my choices are: 1. vote for daclan, which looks like bandwagoning, and I don't really think he's scum. 2. vote for ichnisanchigo, which would be basically an OMGUS vote. I really don't think she's scum. 3. vote for someone new. I've gone through my notes, and while I can find some questionable posts, I don't see anything I can even really count as evidence.
Gah. I'll continue thinking and post again soon. I need to find someone to vote for.
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Post by toadfoot on May 27, 2009 11:56:45 GMT -5
MiteyMouse, your vote count is wrong. Mister Blockey voted for me earlier, and I'm pretty sure he never took it back, so that's 3 on daclad and 2 on me.
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Post by toadfoot on May 27, 2009 12:00:06 GMT -5
If Toadfoot had implied that he wanted the DOC to claim, then I'd vote his way. But he was just discussing a possible future scenario. If we all survive the night, it would imply that we have a DOC. As long as I'm in a posting frenzy (for me, anyway) Guy Incognito: I'm a girl.
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Post by MiteyMouse on May 27, 2009 12:41:53 GMT -5
MiteyMouse, your vote count is wrong. Mister Blockey voted for me earlier, and I'm pretty sure he never took it back, so that's 3 on daclad and 2 on me. Nothing is wrong with the vote count...hehehe! The joys of modding, I can edit!
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Post by Total Ullz on May 27, 2009 12:58:23 GMT -5
Well, the only thing I'm thinking right now is either Daclad is scum, or one or more of the people who voted for him is scum. If not, scum could really easily hammer him right now. Anyways, I was more asking for later ideas. I wasn't sure if I should give them out as I am thinking of them, or later when I have enough info to vote. I think I'll just mix and match. Unvote[/color]. My reasons for that vote was I saw a player voting another just for asking questions. I thought and still do that is very anti-Town. If we can't ask questions and try to figure something out - what do we have? "Nothing" - some might answer - but that is not quit true. We also have votes. To vote is pro-town. Every vote will leave us with data to look at and analyse in the Days to follow. So why am I now voting BigT on the SDMB ? For this: either Daclad is scum, or one or more of the people who voted for him is scumI don't see why you would try to imply that voting (even if the lynched is not scum) is a scummy thing to do indeed. You're in a very subtle way smudging all players taking part of a town-lynch. I don't like them either - but a lot of towns mis-lynching is done by Town. We can not win a game, if we're scared of voting because if we get it wrong we'll be lynched next. That - and the fact that the statement - either Daclad is scum, or one or more of the people who voted for him is scum - has a faint smell of PIS.
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Post by MiteyMouse on May 27, 2009 13:06:55 GMT -5
Vote count! Daclad 2 (Mahaloth, Guy Incognito) Toadfoot 2 (Mister Blockey, ichinisanshigo) BigT on the SDMB 1 (Total Lost)
It takes 5 votes to hammer! Day ends in 6 hours!
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Post by toadfoot on May 27, 2009 14:24:58 GMT -5
This a discussion summary from yesterday. Take it for what it's worth; I don't know if it's got anything useful in it. I ignored any non-substantive or fluff posts.
I did it in Word, so of course the formatting disappeared when I copied it in. Of course, everything in here is an IMHO summary of what went on, so you may very well have disagreed with my interpretation of the posts. **********************************
Toadfoot Summary of possible configurations and question about what that means.
Guy Incognito Points out that Scum know whether or not we have one or two power roles.
Big T Speculates that cop will be safe from nightkills if there’s a doctor
Total Lost No one should claim unless about to be lynched. Warns Big T that some people think what he did can be seen as scummy. Warns that roleblocker is extremely powerful role.
Big T Apologizes for perceived fishing and advises everyone not to claim.
Daclad Suggests that Toadfoot and Big T are both fishing.
Mahaloth How do we figure out who to lynch Day 1?
Guy Incognito Accuses Big T of fishing. Votes Big T
Total Lost Talks about Lynch the Lurker discussions as common on Day 1. Opines: LtL is good Random lynching is bad
Guy Incognito Unvotes Big T because it’s probably his first game.
Toadfoot Objects to Guy Incognito’s vote and defends Big T as new. Also, what else are we supposed to talk about?
Ichnisanchigo LtL is bad. Defends Big T – maybe he was fishing, maybe he was just conversing.
Guy Incognito LtL on Day 2 would be okay.
BillMC Talks about roleblocker and mislynching would be very bad, especially if people lurk.
Ichni Lurkers are unlikely to be scum at first. Corrects? Bill’s logic. Advises to not LtL day 1
Guy Incognito Non-voters and non-participants weaken Town.
Toadfoot Mislynches are inevitable.
Mister Blockey Charts out perfect Scum game. One MisLynch won’t kill us.
Toadfoot Does no NK mean Doc = Yes?
Total Lost There is room for misslynch and we may also get lucky and lynch Scum right away.
Mahaloth LtL Day 1 is a good strategy. Yes we might get lucky and lynch scum
Guy Incognito LtL doesn’t matter because Scum wouldn’t lurk day 1.
Toadfoot What is a lurker? (How much is too little?)
Total Lost A non-participant is not a lurker. A lurker is someone who posts only useless stuff masquerading as substance.
Guy Incognito Says he was talking about non-participants. They are scum and should be lynched.
Total Lost Non-participants should be mod-killed.
Daclad Expresses fear that he will be lynched or mod-killed for lurking
Guy Incognito Lurking (by Total Lost’s definition) is sometimes seen as a good strategy to survive a large game, without necessarily being Scum.
BillMC Mod-kills are a bad idea in a small game
BigT LtL is an okay Day 1 strategy only if we have nothing else.
Mister Blockey Votes Toadfoot as a random lynch
Daclad Says toadfoot was fishing earlier Votes toadfoot
Total Lost Asking about a power role is not a scum-tell. Votes daclad
Daclad Unvotes toadfoot. Says he had no other ideas on who to vote for.
Mahaloth Votes daclad - can’t see how toadfoot’s question could be seen as fishing, therefore daclad is trying to create suspicion
Total lost Agrees with daclad that his, and her, reasons for voting are pretty weak. But we have to vote for someone.
Guy incognito Toadfoot’s question was probably not fishing. With no other candidates, Votes Daclad
Toadfoot Defends earlier question as not fishing but discussing power roles and what it means. Says question should have waited until after a lynch.
Ichni Votes toadfoot. Question must be fishing if you still want to ask it on Day 2
Big T Asks about “Just throwing out ideas”
Guy Incognito Says go for it, just don’t claim
Big T Thinks either daclad is scum or those voting for him are
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