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Post by The Real FCOD on May 28, 2009 14:15:12 GMT -5
Vote count:
NAF1138 (2) - Pleonast, Natlaw
--FCOD
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Post by NAF1138 on May 28, 2009 14:24:47 GMT -5
*sigh*
Everyone always finds my attempts to break the game for town scummy.
Oh well.
I need to find someone to vote for myself.
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Post by Pollux Oil on May 28, 2009 14:40:16 GMT -5
I'll just say "I disagree." I had forgotten about sachertorte, but my feelings about the Daykiller stem mostly from the death of zlw. No pro-Town agent would kill a claimed investigator, whose role PM matched exactly to another claimed investigator. It would be self-defeating in the extreme. I think you misunderstood my point. I don't doubt that the Daykiller is not pro-town. However, it's entirely possible they went after ZLW thinking one of the two investigate roles were scum and trying to kill two birds with one stone. If the Daykills are scum-induced, we'll probably see another pro-town death toDay. If the Daykills are 3rd-party induced, they're probably going to go after somebody with weighty suspicion on them. I'm just going to go ahead and Vote Kat!again for the third time. Still basing my vote mainly on the niggling about the mason bit.
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Post by KidVermicious on May 28, 2009 15:27:06 GMT -5
So you're saying you have a good reason for telling us that you won't tell us something, but you won't tell us what the good reason for telling us that you won't tell us might be? That's... not at all helpful. No, not at all. I said I was generally in favor of a mass claim, and I said why. Now that mass claim is off the table, my little bag is hanging uselessly in the wind, but that doesn't mean I'm ready to divulge it. I had a good reason for hinting at a bag, that reason is gone now, the bag remains, end of story. Out of curiosity, why aren't you and Roosh going after NAF for his bag?
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Post by KidVermicious on May 28, 2009 15:29:07 GMT -5
On that note, what about the possibility of running with the plan to a small extent? By that I mean, the basic gist of the plan is mass claim, then systematically lynch, investigate and vig anyone who claims vanilla and/or non-confirmable power role. Right now, one of the ones that falls into the uncofirmed pool is NAF. Does it therefore make sense to lynch NAF, which fulfills the dual purpose of moving ahead with his plan while simultaneously confirming or denying his intentions in suggesting said plan. If he comes up scum/3rd Party, then we'll know that the plan has some gaping hole we were overlooking, and if he comes up Town, we'll know that the plan is solid from a theory standpoint and can then decide if the specifics work. Did you really just advocate lynching a player to find out if his cunning plan is Town or Scum motivated? I can think of at least 50 flaws with this, and you should have too.
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Post by The Real FCOD on May 28, 2009 15:37:49 GMT -5
Vote count:
NAF1138 (2) - Pleonast, Natlaw Kat! (1) - Pollux
--FCOD
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Post by Pleonast on May 28, 2009 16:04:26 GMT -5
Everyone always finds my attempts to break the game for town scummy. Oh well. I need to find someone to vote for myself. My vote on you is because of the way you treated the Groupies as Masons and then how you congratulated us on our victory. But I'm starting to be more concerned about the lack of participation. At least NAF is generating ideas. There's a whole slew of players who seem to be sitting back and not doing their fair share of pro-Town lifting. They may have reasons, but it still is a detriment. I'll have to reread the low posters and see who's productively participated and who hasn't.
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on May 28, 2009 16:23:55 GMT -5
I'm still not convinced that the Dusk deaths are scum kills... Are you thinking that the doc can't protect against the delayed kills? Why wouldn't he be able to? Saying that they are the scum kills assumes that the doc protected incorrectly everytime so far. Do you think that's the case?
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on May 28, 2009 16:25:04 GMT -5
Well that sucks. I got this this am. Trys it out: Vote: sinjin [/coor] In other news I will not be available at end of day. Did you miss this Ulla?
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on May 28, 2009 16:26:51 GMT -5
Also... not sure why NAF is starting to collect votes.... I don't get a scummy read from his intentions... but then again... I have overlooked scum in the past...
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Post by Pleonast on May 28, 2009 16:36:28 GMT -5
Also... not sure why NAF is starting to collect votes.... I don't get a scummy read from his intentions... but then again... I have overlooked scum in the past... When only three players have voted, two of them being on the same player is not significant. More important is that only three have voted.
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Post by NAF1138 on May 28, 2009 16:41:49 GMT -5
Also... not sure why NAF is starting to collect votes.... I don't get a scummy read from his intentions... but then again... I have overlooked scum in the past... When only three players have voted, two of them being on the same player is not significant. More important is that only three have voted. True. And, not to sound like a broken record, but after looking at things...I am still going to Vote: paul I find his insitance that the Day kill is a delayed scum kill to be interesting. An example of PIS? Maybe, but with the lack of participation in the game and my earlier read on him, it's better than nothing.
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on May 28, 2009 17:08:44 GMT -5
When only three players have voted, two of them being on the same player is not significant. More important is that only three have voted. True. And, not to sound like a broken record, but after looking at things...I am still going to Vote: paul [/color] I find his insitance that the Day kill is a delayed scum kill to be interesting. An example of PIS? Maybe, but with the lack of participation in the game and my earlier read on him, it's better than nothing. [/quote] We need a better o_0 icon than the one we have... doesn't quite match up with how your post makes me feel... WTF are you talking about. I'm not even close to insisting that the Daykill is a delayed scum kill... in fact I'm damn near arguing against it. I think the kills ARE NOT scum kills. I that there is some other force at work here. We know that we don't have to kill the 3rd parties to win... that doesn't mean that there aren't any third parties with the ability to kill. Whose to say they don't have a wincon that forces them to complete a task before they can win with one town or scum? We've seen that before right? A non win stealing 3rd party. i.e. a grudgeholder who wins with the winning team after he completes his kill list? So how the hell did you misinterpret my stance to the point that I am being "insitant" on an opinion directly opposite to my own?
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Post by NAF1138 on May 28, 2009 17:13:46 GMT -5
Sorry, that came from a mis-reading of your last post. I read "I am still convinced" instead of "I am still not convinced"
Not enough sleep, sorry.
Unvote: paul
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on May 28, 2009 17:19:51 GMT -5
Flip flop
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Post by KidVermicious on May 28, 2009 18:03:02 GMT -5
I'ma go ahead and jump on the Katwagon. Her post count is extremely low, and if anything has gotten lower since the end of Alien Taste. I looked at Day Three and Today, and didn't see much of substance, to be honest. Smells... lurky.
Vote: Kat
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Post by sinjin on May 28, 2009 19:50:31 GMT -5
"my weird" voting was for Story at first - then for you later. What do you find weird? My vote for Story? My vote for you? We have been told this is not a gastard game, so I can't think both of you are alpha scum. So I must have voted for at least one town. That's not weird - that just what happens. As for my vote for Story... it wasn't very strong or solid. That's why I unvoted. Not weird - just a vote and then after thinking things through an unvote. My vote on you? I still think the way you went after zlw was scummy like hell. And I don't seem to be the only one finding it strange that a Town player would want to see zlw dead: You had to be pressured to vote in the first place on Day 3. You hadn't voted once yet. You came up with a lame vote on storyteller and when called on the lameness of it unvoted immediately. Then you came up with a lame vote on me. Yes, I voted zlw and also stated that I would be removing that vote to vote for Pleo before end of day. zlw was in NO danger of being lynched Day 3. I was expressing my suspicions of him in a way that would be documented later on if I ended up dead. Since when is that anti-town? So TL, aside from me do you find anyone else suspicious at all?
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Post by RoOsh on May 28, 2009 22:41:18 GMT -5
Right now, I'm not seeing the Paul votes, I get the the TL suspicion from Sinjin for the voting, the NAF lynch... doesn't sit well with me. I feel like too often we lynch NAF for information to see if his ideas have merit... and sadly usually they do have merit. I'm all for vigging him if the need arises, but not so much the lynching of NAF just to prove his ideas- that frankly sounds a bit scummy to me Nanook. So not a fan of that idea at all. You can fos yourself if you like, But i'd rather just add to my suspicious column.
KidV- i feel suspicious about for his magic bag- but rarely is that lynch worthy. It's just annoying. Same with NAF. A magic bag is more annoying in that it suggests a better target for SCUM not for Town to lynch. So yeah- if you're looking to be jumped on for it- well, if you're a townie with a magic bag it's just unhelpful, but lynching you wouldn't accomplish anything better- except force you to spill the bag.
Not something I'm exactly feeling especially since I think the idea of a mass reveal could be useful- the whole idea (was it Paul's?) that perhaps the DayKiller is related to a PleoLynch is an interesting one. If we lynch someone who is NOT pleonast and there's no DayKill, I'd feel alot stronger about the Mass Claim idea, as that's frankly my biggest feelings against it.
That said- there's been a bit of "oh if scum were to bus Sister" it'd have to be either Kat or Roosh. Well, I don't like that argument- namely in that I don't believe Scum would try to bus one of their own at the VERY START of the Game- it's just bad playing- like lynching a claimed Cop on Day 1. You don't take that risk early on and both of us were critical voters of SisterC.
But if in the final vote count there WAS scum on the SisterC vote counts- it's got to be between Kat and Sinjin for me (obviously your stances will vary). Sinjin's been investigated town. And I know I'm on the Town's side too. So I'm right now leaning more towards the KatWagon even though I am kinda meh on Kid V's bag- doesn't mean i think he's townier or scummier. Just... unhelpful with that bag. But right now of the vote gatherers I'd rather go with Kat over NAF or Kid V or Paul.
So vote Kat
And If i'm wrong on this then I guess I expect the same full treatment from you guys about being the "last scum" to bus SisterC and I will defend myself to the best of my extent. But right now I find Kat the more suspicious of the group of vote gatherers.
I'd like to hear from Kat toDay I guess a bit more (as she does only have 1 post for today but real life could be the issue, and i wouldn't claim lurker status just yet. But I won't deny it either from her. Real life DOES happen).
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Post by Total Ullz on May 29, 2009 3:22:30 GMT -5
"my weird" voting was for Story at first - then for you later. What do you find weird? My vote for Story? My vote for you? We have been told this is not a gastard game, so I can't think both of you are alpha scum. So I must have voted for at least one town. That's not weird - that just what happens. As for my vote for Story... it wasn't very strong or solid. That's why I unvoted. Not weird - just a vote and then after thinking things through an unvote. My vote on you? I still think the way you went after zlw was scummy like hell. And I don't seem to be the only one finding it strange that a Town player would want to see zlw dead: You had to be pressured to vote in the first place on Day 3. You hadn't voted once yet. You came up with a lame vote on storyteller and when called on the lameness of it unvoted immediately. Then you came up with a lame vote on me. Yes, I voted zlw and also stated that I would be removing that vote to vote for Pleo before end of day. zlw was in NO danger of being lynched Day 3. I was expressing my suspicions of him in a way that would be documented later on if I ended up dead. Since when is that anti-town? So TL, aside from me do you find anyone else suspicious at all? Yes I do - and have said it over and over again. I don't think Pleo is Town at all! But I don't want to vote for him based on the fact that he might gain something when voted on. If I didn't make that clear before, I would very much like to make it clear now: I wanted to lych Pleo yesterday - and was fine with the votes on him. But I still this it was a risk we didn't need to take to have so many voting for him. I would have liked us to lynch him with a minimum of votes. Maybe I should practice a bit more on making my point clear - because I really wanted to have made this point clear yesterDay
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Post by Total Ullz on May 29, 2009 3:44:03 GMT -5
But if in the final vote count there WAS scum on the SisterC vote counts- it's got to be between Kat and Sinjin for me (obviously your stances will vary). Sinjin's been investigated town. And I know I'm on the Town's side too. So I'm right now leaning more towards the KatWagon even though I am kinda meh on Kid V's bag- doesn't mean i think he's townier or scummier. Just... unhelpful with that bag. But right now of the vote gatherers I'd rather go with Kat over NAF or Kid V or Paul. Yes, she was investigated as Town - not confirmed. I'm busy at work right now - but I'm planning on doing a wall-of-words on Sinjin this weekend. I would very much like to see if she changed after the investigation-result was announced. She seems scummy IMO and I don't see why the fact that she has been investigation, should make me stop pointing that out.
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Post by Merestil Haye on May 29, 2009 7:05:05 GMT -5
I have to say I am not enamoured of this movement to lynch Kat. I consider it basically to be a confession that the voters have no idea who to vote for, and just want a soft target.
There are times to consider lynching a lurker because of their lurking. One is when the game is down to the last few players, and you have strong pro-Town reads on all the active players. Then (paraphrasing the Holmesian principle) since you have eliminated all the possible ELE players bar one, that one must be the ELE player.
Another is that the player is heading for Modkill and Modkill will not reveal the alignment of the player.
Are you seriously claiming that Kat is the only possible ELE candidate?
She's heading towards a Mod-generated warning, her activity level having been acceptable in the first three Days. Let FCoH handle it according to his stated policies, and get out and find another candidate. We still have over a day left.
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Post by The Real FCOD on May 29, 2009 7:59:20 GMT -5
Vote count:
Kat! (3) - Pollux, KidVermicious, Roosh NAF1138 (2) - Pleonast, Natlaw
There's about 30 hours left in the day.
People who I'd like to see posting a little more: MHaye Inner Stickler Nanook Pollux
People who need to post a lot more: Kat!
--FCOD
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Post by Nanook on May 29, 2009 9:19:48 GMT -5
Oh please. You can ridiculously overelaborate board filter F0S me all you like, but lynching for information is a perfectly reasonable plan of action. Of course, that wasn't the only reason I said we should lynch him, regardless of what some people are stating. NAF is one of the very people NAF himself said we should lynch, the unconfirmed pool! I find it suspicious that he's pulling this Martyr act about being lynched when his own idea suggests that he should be. Furthermore, no one really stated that he should be lynched for his idea, yet that is the tact he has chosen to take. It is enough for me.
Vote: Naf1138
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Post by NAF1138 on May 29, 2009 10:27:41 GMT -5
OMGUS
Vote: Nanook
You also fall into that catagory Nooky. The thing is I know I'm town, so I can't really support my own lynch.
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Post by sinjin on May 29, 2009 10:35:56 GMT -5
[/color] You also fall into that catagory Nooky. The thing is I know I'm town, so I can't really support my own lynch. [/quote] Hahahahahahahahahahaha. This post made me LOL.
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Post by The Real FCOD on May 29, 2009 11:35:05 GMT -5
Vote count:
Kat! (3) - Pollux, KidVermicious, Roosh NAF1138 (3) - Pleonast, Natlaw, Nanook Nanook (1) - NAF1138
--FCOD
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on May 29, 2009 14:00:14 GMT -5
24 hours remaining
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on May 29, 2009 14:03:52 GMT -5
Oh please. You can ridiculously overelaborate board filter F0S me all you like, but lynching for information is a perfectly reasonable plan of action. Of course, that wasn't the only reason I said we should lynch him, regardless of what some people are stating. NAF is one of the very people NAF himself said we should lynch, the unconfirmed pool! I find it suspicious that he's pulling this Martyr act about being lynched when his own idea suggests that he should be. Furthermore, no one really stated that he should be lynched for his idea, yet that is the tact he has chosen to take. It is enough for me. Vote: Naf1138 [/colr] bold and underline by me.... Unconfirmed? Who's confirmed? I think the closest we have right now are IS and Pollux.... but I'm not sold on either of them being "Confirmed"
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Post by Total Ullz on May 29, 2009 14:48:41 GMT -5
Unconfirmed? Who's confirmed? I think the closest we have right now are IS and Pollux.... but I'm not sold on either of them being "Confirmed" Really?? Why Pollux? We have Story and Sinjin investigated - so if you believe IS one of them must be town. As I have said - I'm not sure about Sinjin right now. But also after reading Day 1 once more I just don't see Pollux confirmed in any way. And the more I think about it... since the groupies didn't know alignment and could not state if for sure: Would it not be brilliant for scum to take out the Town-part of the duo and leave the scum as "semi-confirmed". Maybe even backed up by others? So I'll go with gut and Vote Pollux
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Post by The Real FCOD on May 29, 2009 14:51:04 GMT -5
Vote count:
Kat! (3) - Pollux, KidVermicious, Roosh NAF1138 (3) - Pleonast, Natlaw, Nanook Nanook (1) - NAF1138 Pollux (1) - Total Lost
--FCOD
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