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Post by Pleonast on Jun 2, 2009 13:17:42 GMT -5
Maybe you should check your facts before you start throwing stones. I wasn't evening playing Day 1 -- so of course I didn't vote. I subbed in towards the end of Day 2, I hadn't caught up by the time Day 2 ended. And as I also stated, I wouldn't be around for most of Day 4. When you sub in, you don't get a free pass on what the player you're replacing did. Take responsibility for your role. Not being around is an excuse for not posting, but it's not an excuse for not voting. You could have easily put a vote in the last post before you were gone. That was Day Four, you should have some suspicions about who is scum. Saying you're not confident is lame and scummy. As for nitpicks: why do you assume Inner Stickler is right on Kat! but not on sinjin? I think it just an oversight on your part, not highly suspicious, but you got to be paranoid in mafia with godfathers and millers. Kat is marked scum because that assertion is going to tested ToDay. sinjin is not marked because the assertion has not been tested yet. Although, it would useful to mark with a different color, to help keep things straight. We know who we're going to kill. Stickler should investigate someone in the unknown pool. It doesn't matter who, because a scum result is as good as Town result. I don't see how it's immediately beneficial to mass claim ToDay. If someone wants to work out the numbers like I did on Day Four, they're welcome to. With a dead Vig, it certainly makes a mass claim less helpful.
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Post by sinjin on Jun 2, 2009 13:18:59 GMT -5
I agree with MHaye that it is unlikey IS is scum trying to get a town killed as we're almost certainly not at LyLo. Scum bussing scum could be a possibility, though with two ELE members already dead that still seems risky. When you evaluate this possibility, remember that there was only one dead ELE member when the plan was decided on. Paul was still alive at that point. Yes, but don't you think that scum would revise the plan after noting that Paul was dead? Especially given that storyteller announced that Paul was his target in the Night thread?
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jun 2, 2009 14:20:56 GMT -5
Yes, but don't you think that scum would revise the plan after noting that Paul was dead? Especially given that storyteller announced that Paul was his target in the Night thread? Yes, but that's not really relevant. The point is that the death occurred after the plan was made, and the ELE could not have assumed it would happen when plotting. Storyteller made the announcement very very late.
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Post by sinjin on Jun 2, 2009 14:46:03 GMT -5
Yes, but don't you think that scum would revise the plan after noting that Paul was dead? Especially given that storyteller announced that Paul was his target in the Night thread? Yes, but that's not really relevant. The point is that the death occurred after the plan was made, and the ELE could not have assumed it would happen when plotting. Storyteller made the announcement very very late. Given that scum can daytalk and that IS apparently read FCOH's OP, I believe a scummy IS would have gone back to talk to his scum buddies before proceeding with a scum bussing scheme. YYMV.
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Post by RoOsh on Jun 2, 2009 14:49:51 GMT -5
2) Ro0sh has always voted for the lynchee. That's shows he's always blowing with the prevailing wind. Another way for scum to avoid attention--he can claim he was voting with the "Town". 3) I find it highly suspicious that Ro0sh did not mention the non-voters, especially when one player stands out strongly in the non-voter category. Well you beat me to the punch that's all. When I made the vote count, I merely copied it from the Final Vote Tally's that FCOD has posted- he didn't include the Non-Voters. Thanks for doing it though- I was going to do that today (actually right now), but you've already done it. Good hustle. Also, If you note- I voted for SisterC BEFORE she was the lynchee of the Day. The only one where I was a last min voter was Nanook. That's one for one. Unless you want to count yourself as a lynchee- but honestly you were the scummiest of the scummy people those days. Do you REALLY think that me voting for you (and if you note, again I voted for you early on Day 2- so again not really going with the Wind. I can't help it if the wind follows ME, but to say that I'm going with the flow is incorrect. Also- yeah, it's another way for scum to avoid attention to say they've been voting with the flow- but I don't really see myself making excuses like that for myself. I see myself taking blame and admitting I should be looked at for my Nanook Vote. It was a terrible vote on my part and I hold full blame on myself for it even if two others did the same thing. When I made the vote, I saw only 3vs3, so I'm just as much to blame for his death. But nice try in trying to smudge me again and again. Honestly- I think you've gotta be town. UNHELPFUL as SHIT, but Town. We've already voted for you twice, and I'm not of the mind to vote for you again, as I'm presuming you near unkillable right now until something changes. So yeah, not really buying your attempts of painting me as likely to do an action that I'm not doing- I'm not making excuses for my votes, but do you honestly have a problem with me Voting for Sister Coyote? Or you on Day 2- Mr. "LYNCH ME PLEASE Guys!" Day 3- again- I thought you were a liar about your unkillability. Lesson learned. Day 4- yeah, that's my first shitty lynch vote. I agree with you full on that one. I'll try to avoid doing that in the future.
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Post by RoOsh on Jun 2, 2009 15:14:39 GMT -5
<snip> Or perhaps I'm reading too much into the Canon- perhaps there are some ELE Members out there who are also Town?
If so, would they like to come forwards and claim? That'd make them great investigative targets (in case if the scum try to play the "I'm ELE but Town" card. We could potentially even have 6 scum if ALL The ELE but Sach was scum (but that'd be REALLY tough to believe because right now, Pleonast does seem pretty damn unkillable....) <snip> -Snip- At this juncture if any ELE members were to claim it'd be helpful though to the Town (in the vein of Pleonast) . Bolding added and much snipped. 1) I think any claim by town toDay would be assinine and I'm quite surprised at you for suggesting it Roosh. 2) You seem pretty damn sure that there is a Godfather in this game Roosh and you and TUlla just love to point out that I could be him. FTR, I'm not, but I don't expect to be believed so I haven't bohtered to defend myself against the near constant smudges. PIS anyone? 3) Are you really suggesting up there that Pleo's claim has been helpful for town with the exception of keeping storyteller and his trigger finger occupied for two nights? 4) Leaving off the non-voters..hmmmmm 1. Did I ask the Town to claim? No. I asked the ELE to claim- the People who we're trying to LYNCH? Recall that win condition- Can't win until the ELE Members are dead? Hmmm? I'm just asking if there were any ELE Members that want to claim Town. In fact I quite explicitly said that- my first few sentences STATE THAT, and then EXPLAIN the reasoning. 2. Sinjin, you need learn some new tricks. YOU WILL ALWAYS BE A GODFATHER CANDIDATE. Get Used to it. I'm sorry if you think EVERY TIME a mention of you as such is scummy, but frankly, I'd be suspicious if someone was giving you a free pass and assuming you are NOT the Godfather, that'd reek of PIS to me then. You and every other person IS investigates as Town should always be treated as a potential Godfather. Why are YOU jumping to the foolish conclusion that there IS NO godfather in this game? That's a FAR riskier conclusion than mine of there being one. In this game, it's always best to take the safer of the two assumptions- the one LESS likely to cost us the Game. IF IS investigates someone else, then that person will be JUST as Godfathery as you. That's what storyteller had to deal with. But he's Dead now. And Verified to be Town. So he doesn't get to be a GF candidate. But you're still alive, and IS is still unverified, and we don't have a dead GF- so you're gonna get treated like a GF candidate, no matter how much you fuss about it. Yeah. It sucks, but dem's the breaks. This is Mafia after all. If you feel you're getting picked on, then yeah, that's fine. But jesus christ, woman, I was making a damn vote chart- you don't get to get the Blue ink by your name yet, and I explained why. I don't really see that as a personal attack on you at all. It's just stating the facts, so there's no need to feel that you need to attack me for it. 3. Pleonast- No. Wow. I read over what you quoted. I can see how you misinterpreted it. But wow. That's LOOKING for things to just pick on- and you'd have to disregard ALL the things I've PREVIOUSLY said on Pleonast and my actions towards him. You just basically took that first part of the sentence and immediately saw the name and jumped to a conclusion it seemed. Perhaps you should try to read the first part of the sentence and drop the Pleonast. Pleonast being in parenthesis serves as an EXAMPLE of how an ELE member has claimed. Do you think that ELE members claiming right now would be UNHELPFUL to the Town? How so? Please explain. I've stated (and still am of the mind) Pleonast's PLAYED pretty Anti-Town. But i'm saying his ROLE is probably Town. Nothing has changed my mind on that. But thanks for the knee jerk reaction 4. Really? You're gonna go there? By the Way, what makes you say Storyteller's targeted Pleonast two nights? Did he say that somewhere and I missed it? Gracias.
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Post by RoOsh on Jun 2, 2009 15:40:21 GMT -5
NAF. I'm kinda suspicious of you buddy. The Nanook Vote had two potential Scum on it already. (Three if you wanna count me or Total Lost as scum vote tippers swingers) So I'm kinda curious as to why Scum would do that - or Kat I should say more specifically. Basically- why would Kat (as a potential scum) want to change the vote from You to Nanook? If both of you are townies, then she had no real reason to do her action- because it WOULD garner her a bit of Heat. She would basically be looked at as scummy (though she'd have company to share the blame with two others), but still. It wasn't a good play for scum to make unless they felt Nanook was a greater threat, or you were perhaps worth saving? There's also the totally fun WIFOM choice that Scum could have done this KNOWING that You would look dirty just by the association. So that if Kat was exposed as scum, someone could make the argument that you're scum when in fact they just REALLY wanted you dead. But that's WIFOM. So I'm just stating NAF, you're kinda suspicious to me right now for that. I see how it could be used both ways (if you were town, and if you were Scum), so I'm not voting for you or anything just yet, but it's def. something to consider now- I certainly do keep you in the unknown pool for now. Pollux Oil: You also kinda look suspicious- namely in that you didn't want to keep the vote on Kat yesterDay when KidV and I "jumped onto the bandwagon". The last 3 Days as you pointed out, you'd been basically one off voting for Kat, but then when it looks like she's tied to become a lynch Candidate, you immediately jumped off that Wagon, thus not allowing a Kat lynch, but also at the same time, helping to further the NAF lynch. It's suspicious, but it's also kinda curious, as it could go either way- perhaps you genuinely felt scared of the Kat lynch w/ it gaining 2 votes in 24 hours, or maybe it's been an easy place for you to leave your vote each Day, but curious that when it finally gets going- you leave it. Though then you'd be leaving NAF to die. Mhaye- I just can't get a read on you this game. At all. And I don't like it. So here's my thoughts: I'm thinking there's scum amongst one of you- NAF, right now you got covered in a WHOLE Lot of smudge thanks to me, Kat, and TL's actions. And knowing that paul was on Nanook's Lynch side, AND knowing that Nanook is Town. So Yeah. You're suspicious to me, but I'm also curious as to why Kat voted for Nanook at the end like she did. I had been posting that I could have been the vote switcher, but she went for the Vote as well. As did Total Lost who both voted while I was trying to figure out how to vote.... So I'm curious as to why didn't Kat just leave me to come up with a vote if both of you guys were townies. It wouldn't have mattered then If i had voted for You or Nanook- either way, i could have killed a Townie and gotten heat. But she dropped the Vote down before me onto Nanook. :shrug: I do admit, you're def. on my list of potential Godfathers though, NAF. Though, then it also makes me wonder about Pollux. Pollux basically left you to die. If he was scum, leaving you to die would make total sense if Nanook was scum and you were Town. His actions basically are the opposite in my mind- unlike Kat, he's basically been going after Kat, but spares Kat, but leave YOU to dry. Which would make no sense, if you, NAF, were the GF. So I'm kinda in a WIFOM over that whole situation. It needs more information. However, I'm not sure how currently, as you can't investigate a GF, it's just something to keep in mind though should we have you alive going into a LyLo situation I suppose? Maybe you're both Town and my suspicions will keep you both from being NK targets- there's a wish.... :sigh: But yeah. I don't know what to make of you three. And you guys are on my list of "troublesome players" for that reason. More NAF and Mhaye though than Pollux; Cuz Pollux- if you were scum, I should have died Night 2 (That was a joke, Sinjin, ignore this paragraph). Though I'm also curious about Natlaw. He's also not been on my radar much. =( Natty, and BillMC- I'd like to hear from you guys a bit more just so I get personalities and such of you two. Right now you guys are just unfamiliar players to me, and i don't really picture you guys. We need to be a family more!
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Post by sinjin on Jun 2, 2009 15:45:08 GMT -5
1. Did I ask the Town to claim? No. Well then I totally misinterpreted what you meant by this. What did you really mean? Yes I understand this, everyone understands it, so why do you and TL feel the need to bring it up repeatedly? Futhermore you didn't answer my actual accusation. You didn't say there was a potential Godfather out there. You stated it as fact. PIS? I have no idea what you are going on about here. The way I read your post you are asking Town who were ELE members, like sachertorte or Pleo, to claim. Is this not what you're doing? Are you seriously saying you were asking scum ELE to claim? storyteller D4.35 Missed that post?
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Post by RoOsh on Jun 2, 2009 19:39:53 GMT -5
I have no idea what you are going on about here. The way I read your post you are asking Town who were ELE members, like sachertorte or Pleo, to claim. Is this not what you're doing? Are you seriously saying you were asking scum ELE to claim? Yes. I was asking if Snake Bite, Bad Horse, and Fury Likea To claim that they were Town. Because frankly, I'm not believing that they're Town based on the current facts, and if someone named Bad Horse or another ELE Member claims- I think they'd be a GREAT investigation target, don't you? And yeah- for future reference: I will always ALWAYS assume there is a Godfather in a game setup unless given information to the otherwise. Anything less would be foolish. If you can think of a Game where NOT making that assumption from the start of the game would be wise... please lemme know. And thank you for the Cite on Storyteller.
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Post by RoOsh on Jun 2, 2009 19:41:17 GMT -5
NETA: Likea= *Likea would like to make the claim
In case that wasn't clear.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Jun 2, 2009 20:10:28 GMT -5
Pollux Oil: You also kinda look suspicious- namely in that you didn't want to keep the vote on Kat yesterDay when KidV and I "jumped onto the bandwagon". The last 3 Days as you pointed out, you'd been basically one off voting for Kat, but then when it looks like she's tied to become a lynch Candidate, you immediately jumped off that Wagon, thus not allowing a Kat lynch, but also at the same time, helping to further the NAF lynch. It's suspicious, but it's also kinda curious, as it could go either way- perhaps you genuinely felt scared of the Kat lynch w/ it gaining 2 votes in 24 hours, or maybe it's been an easy place for you to leave your vote each Day, but curious that when it finally gets going- you leave it. Though then you'd be leaving NAF to die. Yeah, as soon as I saw Kat come up as scum thanks to IS I was like "Fuck, now I look really bad." Honestly though, it's the former not the latter reason. I was worried about Kat getting votes after I voted for her for two Days and nobody paid any attention to me, then suddenly a lynch train grew. I guess in retrospect I shouldn't have been as worried since Pleonast had kind of stifled discussion of other targets, but c'est la vie. I'm definitely not as suspicious of you and KidV now, but Mhaye's finger-wagging still pings me in light of Kat's scummy investigation.
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Post by Gir! on Jun 2, 2009 22:07:03 GMT -5
Actually- Kat- would you like to claim anything in your defense? I'd love to. Truth is, I'm not an ELE member. I'm a mercenary. And I hereby accuse FCOD of doing this to me on purpose. My role PM: This, by the way, is why I was sure at the beginning of the game that there was a Vig. Note: I do not have access to the ELE scum board. Further information: From Kat to FCOD: FCOD's reply: Unfortunately, by the time I found the lyrics to A Man Called Jayne, the fluffiness was over with. Anyway, the PM I received at this Dawn: I'm assuming that, since the scum did not select me to kill story, that they either did not know I would defect, or they did not know what the trigger mechanism was.
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Post by Gir! on Jun 2, 2009 22:10:50 GMT -5
Oh, and just because I can do this now: Jayne, the man they call Jayne
He robbed from the rich And he gave to the poor Stood up to the man And gave him what for Our love for him now Ain't hard to explain The hero of Canton The man they call Jayne
Our Jayne saw the mudders' backs breakin' He saw the mudders' lament And he saw the magistrate takin' Every dollar and leavin' five cents So he said "you can't do that to my people" He said "you can't crush them under your heel" So Jayne strapped on his hat And in 5 seconds flat Stole everythin' Boss Higgins had to steal
He robbed from the rich And he gave to the poor Stood up to the man And gave him what for Our love for him now Ain't hard to explain The hero of Canton The man they call Jayne
Now here is what separates heroes From common folk like you and I The man they call Jayne He turned 'round his plane And let that money hit sky He dropped it onto our houses He dropped it into our yards The man they called Jayne He stole away our pain And headed out for the stars
He robbed from the rich And he gave to the poor Stood up to the man And gave him what for Our love for him now Ain't hard to explain The hero of Canton The man they call Jayne.
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Post by KidVermicious on Jun 2, 2009 22:37:06 GMT -5
Thats... very interesting.
I'm not sure I believe you. I don't s'pose you managed to crumb any of that, did you?
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Post by Gir! on Jun 2, 2009 22:50:21 GMT -5
You mean other than overloading my next post with qualifications on the Vig's existance when Ed[/i] questioned my confidence in said existance? Well, I did post in favor the concept of the "daykill" being a delayed nightkill (which it technicially is (was?), since the target choice was made before Dawn).
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Post by Pollux Oil on Jun 2, 2009 23:25:36 GMT -5
Well, let's put it this way. Either that's the best role ever, and FCOD is an evil genius that deserves to be in the ELE, or that's the best fake role ever, and Kat is an evil genius that deserves to be in the ELE.
Either way, applause is needed.
*applause*
Don't know what to make of it, though. Hm.
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Post by Natlaw on Jun 3, 2009 12:59:27 GMT -5
Though I'm also curious about Natlaw. He's also not been on my radar much. =( Natty, and BillMC- I'd like to hear from you guys a bit more just so I get personalities and such of you two. Right now you guys are just unfamiliar players to me, and i don't really picture you guys. We need to be a family more! I've updated my avatar to a NPH one. I hope that way you can fit me better on your radar and family pictures . More serious, my play style isn't that confrontational I guess. I tried to play aggressive in Super!Smash!Bros! to draw a vigilante kill since I had a scum lover. It didn't really work and I didn't like it too much (there were some other arguments going on that turned hostile). But I can give it a shot of course: Because frankly, I'm not believing that they're Town based on the current facts, and if someone named Bad Horse or another ELE Member claims- I think they'd be a GREAT investigation target, don't you? And yeah- for future reference: I will always ALWAYS assume there is a Godfather in a game setup unless given information to the otherwise. Anything less would be foolish. If you can think of a Game where NOT making that assumption from the start of the game would be wise... please lemme know. You are definitely keeping in mind that there could be a Godfather, but if a ELE member named Bad Horse claims town you want to investigate him to see if he's telling the truth?! (but enough family talk, I'm going to check Kat!'s claim)
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Post by RoOsh on Jun 3, 2009 13:07:28 GMT -5
Well, Actually I'd be voting for Bad Horse if he claimed, but jeez, you guys all just like taking my little trap and tearing it to pieces don't you?
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Post by RoOsh on Jun 3, 2009 13:18:17 GMT -5
Well this sucks, but a Man's gotta do what a man's gotta do:
Vote Kat
It's rather convenient that you are a crazy townie now, but at least you warned us. The best move to do is pretty much for everyone to come to the consensus and vote for you, to minimize the pool of people. Either have everyone in the town- scum, powerroles, and reg. peep vote for you and roll the dice in hoping you hit scum, or we risk giving off information by having a half assed lynch of you with power roles and scum probably abstaining (or half and half if scum know you're lying and they join your wagon- then it just makes the power roles not voting for you easier to spot). Or we could just try to have Pleonast be the ONLY voter and try to kill him off (You still wanna Die, Pleo?)... oh wait. He can't vote. Scratch that plan.
So yeah, I'm gonna have to vote for ya, Kat. That's a great claim, but it buys you a day and if we have to investigate you a 2nd time to check... well that's just not cool. (though, are you SAYING you were forced to vote for Nanook from the START of that Day 4- and you waited until the last hour before casting your vote?)
Are you allowed to change your votes, Kat? (Has she only voted once per Day?) Do you feel you are the recruitable Role that FCOD was talking about?
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Post by Natlaw on Jun 3, 2009 13:28:19 GMT -5
Powers: 1) If you are selected to perform the ELE kill, you will receive a PM with your target at Dawn. Instead of a nightkill, you will perform a daykill, and your target will die at Dusk. 2) If you are not selected to perform the ELE kill, you will receive a PM at Dawn with the name of the player that you must vote for that Day. 3) If you are targeted by Captain Hammer, or if Captain Hammer is killed by someone other than you, you will defect and join the Town side. You will not die the first time you are targeted by Captain Hammer. <snip> New Power: 1) For the next Day/Night cycle, you are a Crazy Townie. If you are lynched, you will kill one of the players voting for you at random. If you are nightkilled, you will kill the killer. 2) If you survive the next Day/Night cycle, you will revert to Vanilla Town. So assuming you're telling the truth, you claim: 1) Killed sachertorte Day One. 2) Killed zlw Day Two. zlw tracked who someone targeted at Night, so he couldn't have seen you do the killing. Sister Coyote claimed to be able to pass messages, but we don't have any reason to believe that. 3) You were told to vote Pleonast Day Three. 4) You were told to vote Nanook Day Four. Do the scum know who are? Do you know how many scum there are? So you are now free to vote whoever you want? I haven't checked your posts yet, but I guess you didn't do Pleonast-like claim or asked Story to target you last Night because you were playing for a scum victory and only playing town since this Dawn? If this is the recruitment-like-thing then the Crazy-Townie-for-a-Day-and-Night would be so town can cool down before lynching you (perhaps investigate you but that seems a waste to me now). But the scum motivation to not get lynched Today is more obvious: you're a scum power role who wants to get an extra opportunity to perform a Night action.
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Post by Pleonast on Jun 3, 2009 15:54:06 GMT -5
I don't think Kat's threat is enough to stop the lynch. I find it very interesting that I can't vote ToDay, for a second time, just when my unkillableness would be useful. It makes me wonder if there is some coordination going on.
In any case, everyone needs to vote Kat ToDay. Anyone who does not, needs to be lynched as soon as possible. We also need to avoid end the Day earlier than necessary. If you're not going to be available for the end of the Day, cast your vote now. If you are going to be available, unvote until then.
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Post by KidVermicious on Jun 3, 2009 18:56:06 GMT -5
Is there any point in having just the unconfirmed pool vote?
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Post by Pollux Oil on Jun 3, 2009 19:50:30 GMT -5
I don't think Kat's threat is enough to stop the lynch. I find it very interesting that I can't vote ToDay, for a second time, just when my unkillableness would be useful. It makes me wonder if there is some coordination going on. Really? So you think the scum coordinated to have IS investigate Kat, and Kat to claim crazy townie, AND make sure you couldn't vote because you'd be useful, all last Night? In any case, everyone needs to vote Kat ToDay. Anyone who does not, needs to be lynched as soon as possible. We also need to avoid end the Day earlier than necessary. If you're not going to be available for the end of the Day, cast your vote now. If you are going to be available, unvote until then. Can I get a "bullshit" from the crowd? So you're saying everyone needs to vote Kat? That absolutely NO precautions need to be made, like having Inner Stickler not vote for Kat just in case? And that somebody that doesn't vote Kat, or say, gives her claim half a chance, has to die as soon as possible? SERIOUSLY? I can't be the only one that thinks this is complete and utter horseshit of a strategy. Vote PleonastBecause I can. Hey, maybe Kat's telling the truth, and maybe Captain Hammer's death triggered YOUR side switch too, because I seriously can't believe you actually think suggesting everybody vote Kat no matter what, and anybody that gives her half a chance is scum, is a good idea.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Jun 4, 2009 9:08:52 GMT -5
Maybe we should just have Pleonast vote for Kat and see if we can knock off two birds with one stone.
(This is a joke. Mostly.)
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Post by Pleonast on Jun 4, 2009 9:30:13 GMT -5
Maybe we should just have Pleonast vote for Kat and see if we can knock off two birds with one stone. It won't work. I already "voted", but it wasn't counted. I don't think Kat's threat is enough to stop the lynch. I find it very interesting that I can't vote ToDay, for a second time, just when my unkillableness would be useful. It makes me wonder if there is some coordination going on. Really? So you think the scum coordinated to have IS investigate Kat, and Kat to claim crazy townie, AND make sure you couldn't vote because you'd be useful, all last Night? Did you read what I wrote? You quoted it, certainly, but there's no connection between what you claim I said and what I actually said. In case you haven't noticed, we do not have any living confirmed-Town players. That includes, Stickler. If Kat does kill a voter, anyone who withheld their vote is more likely scum than not. (Townies don't need to fear a kill. Scum do.) Thus, all Townies should vote for Kat. Think of it as a simple test for us to catch scum. I'll let others comment on the usefulness of this.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Jun 4, 2009 9:33:28 GMT -5
Kat! (5) - Inner Stickler, sinjin, NAF1138, MHaye, Roosh Pleonast (1) - Pollux
--FCOD
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Post by KidVermicious on Jun 4, 2009 9:45:02 GMT -5
Been chewing on this, and I don't like it. It's a classic cover PM, with an explanation for the scum result, a carrot, and a stick. It's not impossible that darling Kat is telling the truth, but I think it doesn't matter. We can't not vote her off Today. We've probably got scum, and if not, she'll come back Town Mercenary, which helps confirm IS, or she doesn't, and then we know who to lynch Tomorrow. And if you are Town, Kat, I'll eat a taco or something, just to show how sorry I am.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Jun 4, 2009 11:26:54 GMT -5
Did you read what I wrote? You quoted it, certainly, but there's no connection between what you claim I said and what I actually said. So what exactly am I supposed to conclude when you say: It makes me wonder if there is some coordination going on.(underlining mine) In case you haven't noticed, we do not have any living confirmed-Town players. That includes, Stickler. Bullshit nitpicky, especially if Kat does turn up either what she says she is, or scum, IS is basically confirmed through the action. Putting him unnecessarily at risk is stupid considering he can end up mostly confirmed by Dusk. If Kat does kill a voter, anyone who withheld their vote is more likely scum than not. (Townies don't need to fear a kill. Scum do.) Thus, all Townies should vote for Kat. Think of it as a simple test for us to catch scum. Yes, sure. The Doctor has ABSOLUTELY nothing to fear by voting Kat. Right. I'm sure somebody else can agree with me that the logic of having everybody vote Kat is completely faulty. And if people actually think your idea is a good one, I'm going to shoot myself because it MAKES NO SENSE and we'll be in inverse Mafia-playing world, where everybody sucks at doing smart things. Here's a different plan. How about me and NAF both vote for Kat, and everybody else doesn't vote. This way, her lynch is assured. NAF claimed vanilla town, and I'm as good as vanilla since nobody is ever going to 100% believe I'm a masonic character anyway and there's no way for me to prove it. So no pro-town powers are lost if both of us are telling the truth, and if NAF is lying and is scum, there's a 50% chance of getting scum if Kat is telling the truth. This also prevents the town from accidentally outing any power roles to the scum for killing. Plus, if there's a last-minute surge to save Kat you'll have some pretty obvious scum on your hands.
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Post by BillMc on Jun 4, 2009 11:34:17 GMT -5
Because I can. Hey, maybe Kat's telling the truth, and maybe Captain Hammer's death triggered YOUR side switch too, because I seriously can't believe you actually think suggesting everybody vote Kat no matter what, and anybody that gives her half a chance is scum, is a good idea. Hmm, that is an interesting theory. There has got to be a way to kill Pleo - and may be the death of Captain Hammer is it. Something to chew on Tomorrow Possibly won't be around for Day end - so I'll vote just now. Vote: Kat
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Post by The Real FCOD on Jun 4, 2009 12:01:56 GMT -5
Kat! (6) - Inner Stickler, sinjin, NAF1138, MHaye, Roosh, BillMc Pleonast (1) - Pollux
--FCOD
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