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Day Six
Jun 10, 2009 13:35:46 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Jun 10, 2009 13:35:46 GMT -5
Good morning! I did not find any scum last night. I investigated BillMC and found him to be Town. You earlier said you where trying to find scum, because a town result could be a godfather anyway. So why did you think BillMc might be scum (more than the others)?
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Day Six
Jun 10, 2009 13:38:34 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Jun 10, 2009 13:38:34 GMT -5
The Doc says who he has been protecting and then we know who the scum have tried to kill. If the scum are trying to kill someone, they are town. At this point there couldn't be more than one or two scum left. We can turn the doc into a cop this way. Again, it depends on who the doc protected. Anyway, I still think a mass claim is a good idea, but if you need to lynch me to convince you that I am not pulling this out of my ass, go for it. We have the lynches to burn. But the Doc might have been as frustrated as the rest of us and self-protected all along. Or been protecting the players found by Inner Stickler - so chances of the Doc having new informations seems a bit "far-fetched".
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Day Six
Jun 10, 2009 13:46:49 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Jun 10, 2009 13:46:49 GMT -5
*sigh* I really wish Hoopy Frood was in this game! And that's not because I want to vote for him!!!! The only thing I know about Hoopy Frood is that he's a Deadite severed head and that still doesn't stop him from dropping comments in games he's not in... (I expect he'll be around shortly now ). But am I missing some important context here? In rereading you quite explicitly said last Night you have a power and hope to have found a pro-town way to use it. So the 'may/may not' seems totally lost (pun intended). If you're telling the truth I don't see why you want to tell more about it if I feel the need for it. I said that if you think it's better for some information to be public (had helps clarify things) go ahead, otherwise don't.
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Day Six
Jun 10, 2009 14:03:38 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Jun 10, 2009 14:03:38 GMT -5
But the Doc might have been as frustrated as the rest of us and self-protected all along. Or been protecting the players found by Inner Stickler - so chances of the Doc having new informations seems a bit "far-fetched". Well then the Doc should use their own judgement. Let's try this again with clairty from me. Two ideas 1) If the doc has reason to believe that he/she/it has caused the Nights of no kills and can help the town by divulging who they protected, now is probably a good time to do it. 2) If we are going to have a mass claim in general, I think the time is soon. Maybe not now, but damn soon.
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Day Six
Jun 10, 2009 14:04:10 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Jun 10, 2009 14:04:10 GMT -5
And the soon is as much to shake the town out of it's current malaise as it is anything else.
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Day Six
Jun 10, 2009 14:10:40 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Jun 10, 2009 14:10:40 GMT -5
So you're claiming scotsman miller?
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Day Six
Jun 10, 2009 14:20:27 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Jun 10, 2009 14:20:27 GMT -5
So you're claiming scotsman miller? I better see a cow before getting back to you on that one!
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Day Six
Jun 10, 2009 14:25:57 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Jun 10, 2009 14:25:57 GMT -5
I don't know NAF two scum in a list of five is not too shabby and not too random.
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Day Six
Jun 10, 2009 14:34:09 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Jun 10, 2009 14:34:09 GMT -5
So you're claiming scotsman miller? I'm not a miller
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Day Six
Jun 10, 2009 15:32:37 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Jun 10, 2009 15:32:37 GMT -5
Are you a scotsman third party survivor?
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Day Six
Jun 10, 2009 15:53:29 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Jun 10, 2009 15:53:29 GMT -5
So you're claiming scotsman miller? I'm not a miller At this point I can't imagine that you haven't violated your posting restriction TL. If cow isn't punishing you for it then I have to assume that a) he doesn't really care if you violate it b) it doesn't exist. I am sticking with my vote.
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Day Six
Jun 10, 2009 17:11:34 GMT -5
Post by Inner Stickler on Jun 10, 2009 17:11:34 GMT -5
You earlier said you where trying to find scum, because a town result could be a godfather anyway. So why did you think BillMc might be scum (more than the others)? I've been reading the mafia wikis and between them and the discussions in the other mafia games I've been in, I've learned that while it's useful for a cop to find scum, it really helps in endgame to have a boatload of semi-confirmed town. And BillMC posted something in the last Day thread that I thought was odd, but upon checking it realized I had misread it. (It's his last post where he unvoted Kat!)
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Day Six
Jun 10, 2009 20:29:32 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Jun 10, 2009 20:29:32 GMT -5
I'm currently not a fan of NAF (mainly from the way My fuckup lynch of Nanook went). I don't see how Pollux you can put him on the "Do not Kill" section only because he claimed to be town and hinted at a role name.
A name is fine and all, but it doesn't prove anything.
I'm also confused and leaning towards suspicion on Total Lost. Because you've said quite a bit in terms of your role, but you've also made me rethink alot of it because of what you've been saying (ie: What you were claiming WHEN you were talking to Storyteller is NOT what you were talking about last Night). So I'd like a more explicit clarification on the matter from you (As you had been claiming to be humble, liking the frozen yogurt and all that other good stuff w/ Me and story, but NOW you've provided info contrary to that).
Pollux- I'm less suspicious of you as Scum if there are only two masons. Only because... the idea of having two people know who the other is, and know they're masons, but have one be scum and one town (while TL thinks it's super-kewl), is really stupid and not game breaking, but just flawed. Because what's the point then? All you'd have to do is claim mason, have the other claim mason too, and then kill the townie one. One and Done- near lynch immunity. The only way it'd work if this was a Gastard game or a game where the Mod WANTED to teach the town a lesson in getting complacent.
I'm more of the mind that the 3rd person role that's been the common thread in both of their PMs is the key. If there is a 3rd person then it's likely that's the scummy one and may have been forced out of a claim thanks to these two. OR It's likely that Pollux could be lying about the numbers and there are only 2 of them, and in which case again- not really seeing the point of giving Scum an instant near lynch-proofing protection like that mainly because they both seemed to know who each other was. -The worst I can think of is maybe he's a 3rd party or something Mason, with a special win conditon but not a Scummy one. Recall: we still haven't seen any 3rd Party Roles out there- and it's curious for FCOD to have changed the WC to reflect the 3rd Party if there aren't any in the game, ya dig. So I'm keeping my eyes peeled for that lil' nugget to come along.
And then there's Mhaye-still just blah, and Natlaw who's there but pretty much under the radar, same with KidVicious.
So NAF you and TL are at the top of my list still of suspicion, but I'm unsure of which way to go right now, and would def. like to hear more from TL, though your "I'm bored" talk is worrying to me NAF, I can see you getting angry at that very kind of talk or frustrated, but for you to give up or pull a potentially risky move just because you wanna see action.... It troubles me.
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Day Six
Jun 10, 2009 21:39:02 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Jun 10, 2009 21:39:02 GMT -5
Total, darling, you're not making any sense. Natlaw and NAF are right to pressure you on this, I think, and I'm going to join them. No more of this "ask me question" routine, you need to tell us everything you possibly can please. The only reason I'm not voting you now is I don't want to see your bandwagon pick up speed, but I'm suspicious of you.
NAF, there's a flaw in your cunning plan I could a drive a truck through. If scum know why the NK's aren't happening, and it doesn't involve a Doc reading their minds, you've just set them up for a tasty Doc claim, and a "clearing" of another player. Not wise, man, not wise.
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Day Six
Jun 11, 2009 10:33:25 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Jun 11, 2009 10:33:25 GMT -5
NAF, there's a flaw in your cunning plan I could a drive a truck through. If scum know why the NK's aren't happening, and it doesn't involve a Doc reading their minds, you've just set them up for a tasty Doc claim, and a "clearing" of another player. Not wise, man, not wise. But wouldn't that catch us a scum when the doc counter claims? And there can't be many of them left at this point. I am still not seeing the downside, but maybe I am being obtuse.
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Day Six
Jun 11, 2009 10:36:51 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Jun 11, 2009 10:36:51 GMT -5
So NAF you and TL are at the top of my list still of suspicion, but I'm unsure of which way to go right now, and would def. like to hear more from TL, though your "I'm bored" talk is worrying to me NAF, I can see you getting angry at that very kind of talk or frustrated, but for you to give up or pull a potentially risky move just because you wanna see action.... It troubles me. Well, I don't think it's all that risky. But I will take it back. If I am bored then it is my own fault for not engaging the game more. I have have a shitty couple of Days at work and I am probably taking that out on this game a bit. Still, while my plan may not be a great one, at least it has us talking about something which is better than the nothing that was being talked about. Right now I am more interested in TL and Pollux than any sort of plan though. I just thought it was an interesting idea, and I do think it might work.
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Day Six
Jun 11, 2009 12:35:45 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Jun 11, 2009 12:35:45 GMT -5
I'm really not doing very well getting my head back into this game, what with one thing and another. I doubt that I'll do any better tonight since I have an interview tomorrow afternoon, and I need to do some paperwork in preparation for it. It's already begun preying on my mind.
Back later, or more likely tomorrow evening, with some thoughts (even if I have to scrape the barrel.)
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Day Six
Jun 11, 2009 12:41:12 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Jun 11, 2009 12:41:12 GMT -5
Are you a scotsman third party survivor? I'm having a hard time figuring out if your question was a bigger insult to my intelligence that my answer is to yours: I'm Town. I'm also confused and leaning towards suspicion on Total Lost. Because you've said quite a bit in terms of your role, but you've also made me rethink alot of it because of what you've been saying (ie: What you were claiming WHEN you were talking to Storyteller is NOT what you were talking about last Night). So I'd like a more explicit clarification on the matter from you (As you had been claiming to be humble, liking the frozen yogurt and all that other good stuff w/ Me and story, but NOW you've provided info contrary to that). The talk with you and Story was not me trying to claim. It was me trying to say that a massclaim would have downsides to it that some players might not have thought about.I had no idea it would come this far - and I'm really starting to be pissed with the way this is taking up so much time.
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Day Six
Jun 11, 2009 13:04:05 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Jun 11, 2009 13:04:05 GMT -5
I'm having a hard time figuring out if your question was a bigger insult to my intelligence that my answer is to yours: Sorry, not meant as an insult, with all your shoes talk I thought somewhere in there you kind of implied that you would not investigate as town. But when I went back I couldn't find it.
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Day Six
Jun 11, 2009 13:41:40 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Jun 11, 2009 13:41:40 GMT -5
Sorry for not posting lately, things are hectic for me now and for the near future. I'm going to read through and comment as I see things. I have nothing in common with Pleo in this game at all. Well then, since you claim you're not Town, vote Total LostSo you finally decided to ask FCOH to clarify your role 5 DAYS into the game, but not before you did the anti-town soft claim yesterDay. This makes no sense to me. You are a much better player than that so I can't help but think your.......lying. Why do you think a soft claim is anti-Town? Generally, we let power roles decide for themselves what is best to reveal. I have some problems with the logic of this post. 1) Why not have me on the possible lynch list? I claimed vanilla and yeah I breadcrumbed my roll name but...so what? 2) Why but TL on said list? Same reason. 3) Other than me and her the only other person on the "Don't lynch toDay" list that we might concivably lynch toDay is...you. We aren't going to try to lynch Pleo again. Fool us twice shame on us, fool us three times and we all have to commit ritual suicide. We aren't going to lynch IS. Is there anyone at this point who doesn't believe that he is town? And sice he is 99.99999999999999% likely to be town we probably shouldn't lynch any of his investigations right yet. Again, there is a time and place to test those for Godfather status, but now when we are up several scum at just past midgame, isn't the time. So, I can't help but feel like the list is a way to divert the suspicion that was mounting against you Pollux. I am not a fan of this post at all. I think it is ok the way Pollux listed the remaining players. We don't have any confirmed Town. The first group of four is simply players who have claimed. I don't think he said otherwise. I think it's useful to lynch on the completely unknown list for now. That said, I find the other three players in that first group suspicious. Well then the Doc should use their own judgement. Let's try this again with clairty from me. Two ideas 1) If the doc has reason to believe that he/she/it has caused the Nights of no kills and can help the town by divulging who they protected, now is probably a good time to do it. 2) If we are going to have a mass claim in general, I think the time is soon. Maybe not now, but damn soon. Someone should work out the numbers again, but I'm getting the feeling that it'd be useful to mass claim now as well. But, I think we should let the Doctor decide. Once the Doctor claims, everyone else should as well. I'm not sure order matters, except the unclaimed pool ( KidVermicious, MHaye, Natlaw, Ro0sh) should probably go before others.
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Day Six
Jun 11, 2009 13:47:46 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Jun 11, 2009 13:47:46 GMT -5
I'm having a hard time figuring out if your question was a bigger insult to my intelligence that my answer is to yours: Sorry, not meant as an insult, with all your shoes talk I thought somewhere in there you kind of implied that you would not investigate as town. But when I went back I couldn't find it. It was said "tongue in cheek". I can say I'm Town all Day long - but since you don't believe a word I say... why would it matter. I just really thought the question and answer was... ironical.
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Day Six
Jun 11, 2009 13:49:30 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Jun 11, 2009 13:49:30 GMT -5
Sorry for not posting lately, things are hectic for me now and for the near future. I'm going to read through and comment as I see things. I have nothing in common with Pleo in this game at all. Well then, since you claim you're not Town, vote Total LostI learn this from NAF and it does work. So I'll just ask you this: What do you know about the "third vote"-theory??
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Day Six
Jun 11, 2009 14:02:04 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Jun 11, 2009 14:02:04 GMT -5
That leaves us with trying to find explanations for the Nightkill-less Nights. The obvious ones; the Doc protected the ELE's Nightkill target and nullified their action, or that the ELE targeted Pleonast and his Nightkill resistance saved him for a third time. Or the ELE simply didn't put in a Nightkill. I've known that happen before. (In Alien Taste, for one.) The end of the Day might shed light on these questions. If we have another no death at Night but at Dusk, a delayed kill is the simplest explanation. I'm not sure how many kills a cycle a game of twenty normally has, but we did have a compulsory vigilante and a scum strong man, so an extra Day Killer might be too much? Snipped Pollux's list of claimed/investigated/unknown: So, I can't help but feel like the list is a way to divert the suspicion that was mounting against you Pollux. I am not a fan of this post at all. I actually think you have a point at Pollux, but why don't you take an equal critical look at you own mass claim idea ( you running the numbers as Pleonast just said). You haven't mentioned to possibility of there being no doctor which was what KidVermicious was hinting at I think. If there is no doctor, but we expect one at a mass claim than that is an easy hole for a scum to fill.
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Day Six
Jun 11, 2009 14:05:04 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Jun 11, 2009 14:05:04 GMT -5
Total Lost (2) - NAF1138, Pleonast MHaye (1) - Pollux
--FCOD
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Day Six
Jun 11, 2009 14:09:43 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Jun 11, 2009 14:09:43 GMT -5
Rereading Pollux's post, he does mention looking at the unclaimed now, not forever: Though why do you think Total Lost could not be lying? I guess you skipped yourself because you don't have to second guess yourself, but we do .
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Day Six
Jun 11, 2009 14:26:09 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Jun 11, 2009 14:26:09 GMT -5
So NAF, I couldn't recall the great case you made against Paul that so influenced storyteller. Here's the sum total of your trying to get Paul lynched since day 1. This was all I could find. Seems pretty flimsy, almost like you weren't really trying to get him lynched at all. If I missed any let me know: Day1 voteDay1 unvoteSister Coyote is the claimed power role NAF is talking about by the way. Day1 revoteNight 0Day 3 Day 3 in response to Paul's question about previous post 4.132 Vote for PaulPaul comes back in and says he is not saying the Day kills are delayed scum kills. Day4.134 unvote Paul[oog] I think I finally figured out how to search for all posts by someone in just the game. Yeeha, took me long enough[/oog]
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Day Six
Jun 11, 2009 14:49:27 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Jun 11, 2009 14:49:27 GMT -5
I'll see your /oog and raise you an argh! Yeah, it's a bit complicated and the links don't work (they always go to first post in the thread) . -search link top of any page -select 'Search post made by' -enter account name -deselect all forums -select game forum -scroll down increase the number of days -increase the number of posts -search! You can use the 'add quote' links to get correct quotes, but must navigate to the current thread and reply there. The quotes don't show up when you reply if you use another browser tab. And the quote tends to insert unwanted HTML code. </rant> It's the content that counts of course. Maybe some flower to cheer it up . I did block that snow-fall animated background image though.
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Day Six
Jun 11, 2009 14:58:01 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Jun 11, 2009 14:58:01 GMT -5
Because I thought she did it for self-serving reasons at a point were it was unnecessary and if she is town she has shrunk the pool the doc can hide in.
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Day Six
Jun 11, 2009 15:02:22 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Jun 11, 2009 15:02:22 GMT -5
At this point I can't imagine that you haven't violated your posting restriction TL. If cow isn't punishing you for it then I have to assume that a) he doesn't really care if you violate it b) it doesn't exist. I am sticking with my vote. I really don't get the whole shoes/breadcrumbing/post restriction shenanigans with Total. I have to agree with NAF here, if you had a restriction on stating your role - this surely must have broken it.
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Day Six
Jun 11, 2009 15:06:22 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Jun 11, 2009 15:06:22 GMT -5
Because I thought she did it for self-serving reasons at a point were it was unnecessary and if she is town she has shrunk the pool the doc can hide in. I can see that point and you're right. But we were talking about a mass claim and I didn't want us to start it before I had pointed out that is might not be as smooth as NAF seemed to think. Right now everyone seems to agree it might not have been as smooth and so - yes - I made a mistake. But I didn't claim to save my little butt! I did it to give more informations on a mass claim and potential downsides to it.
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