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Jun 11, 2009 15:13:56 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Jun 11, 2009 15:13:56 GMT -5
Because I thought she did it for self-serving reasons at a point were it was unnecessary and if she is town she has shrunk the pool the doc can hide in. I can see that point and you're right. But we were talking about a mass claim and I didn't want us to start it before I had pointed out that is might not be as smooth as NAF seemed to think. Right now everyone seems to agree it might not have been as smooth and so - yes - I made a mistake. But I didn't claim to save my little butt! I did it to give more informations on a mass claim and potential downsides to it. I'm sorry TL, I really can't see how any of this does anything but make people hesitant to lynch you. And you won't even tell us why? On top of that I think you are lying about your post restriction. @sinj re: Paul. I guess I didn't push for Pauls death as hard as I remember pushing. I thought I had. Honestly I just haven't really been playing this game. I already apologized for that. I suck I know. I paid a lot more attention to Buff and Ulla's game because it's a lot more fun to be scum than vanilla. This sucks for you and I'm sorry. I didn't even realize that I was doing it until I was so far behind that I couldn't catch back up properly.
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Day Six
Jun 11, 2009 15:26:36 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Jun 11, 2009 15:26:36 GMT -5
I'm sorry TL, I really can't see how any of this does anything but make people hesitant to lynch you. That's fine. You don't know anymore than I've been able to tell you and if I'm lynched now I don't think Town will lose the game at all. It would be a mis-lynch (but that is kind of me saying to Sinjin I'm town - a null-tell at best). I know at lot have asked me to share more with you - I can't. If you can't trust my soft-claim - then that's it.
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Day Six
Jun 11, 2009 20:44:11 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Jun 11, 2009 20:44:11 GMT -5
NAF, there's a flaw in your cunning plan I could a drive a truck through. If scum know why the NK's aren't happening, and it doesn't involve a Doc reading their minds, you've just set them up for a tasty Doc claim, and a "clearing" of another player. Not wise, man, not wise. But wouldn't that catch us a scum when the doc counter claims? And there can't be many of them left at this point. I am still not seeing the downside, but maybe I am being obtuse. The doc?
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Day Six
Jun 11, 2009 20:50:57 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Jun 11, 2009 20:50:57 GMT -5
Because I thought she did it for self-serving reasons at a point were it was unnecessary and if she is town she has shrunk the pool the doc can hide in. I can see that point and you're right. But we were talking about a mass claim and I didn't want us to start it before I had pointed out that is might not be as smooth as NAF seemed to think. Right now everyone seems to agree it might not have been as smooth and so - yes - I made a mistake. But I didn't claim to save my little butt! I did it to give more informations on a mass claim and potential downsides to it. But Total, unless I missed a crumb somewhere, you haven't actually given us any more information other than that you may have a post restriction, all you've done is draw heat. That is suspicious to me. It's almost like you're trying to get lynched, in which case, who are you protecting? Pollux?
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Day Six
Jun 11, 2009 20:54:33 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Jun 11, 2009 20:54:33 GMT -5
Random thoughts - this is meta, I know, but I think I learned a lot about watching from the spoilers while NAF played in Alpha Centauri. I had a strong feeling that he was scum in Ragnarok (before the bastidge had me killed ), mostly based on the way he was playing, nothing specific... I'm got the same feeling now. He's got my scumdar pegged. I'm not sure I'm willing to believe that I've got him read that well, so I'm asking, is anybody else getting scum vibes off NAF that they're having trouble putting a finger on?
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Day Six
Jun 11, 2009 23:29:28 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Jun 11, 2009 23:29:28 GMT -5
1) Why not have me on the possible lynch list? I claimed vanilla and yeah I breadcrumbed my roll name but...so what? My list was not made to be a "lynch list." I simply organized who we had left into claimed, investigated/investigator, and unclaimed/uninvestigated. I said it would be my personal preference to lynch somebody in the unclaimed/uninvestigated pool today. Mostly because scum will usually wait to claim as late as possible. Take a look at the SSB game, where the last four unclaimed people were three scum and the serial killer. My guess is, there's probably one scum in the unclaimed portion who's trying to ride out the waves and wait. 2) Why but TL on said list? Same reason. See above. Furthermore, I think TL is town. I definitely don't like this brewing storm surrounding her. She, along with myself and Almost Human, were of the few that stood against the initial Pleonast lynch train. She also tried to give hints that maybe a mass claim wouldn't work exactly the way we thought it would, unnecessarily drawing attention to herself. Now, unless she's scum and decided to try out a page from peeker's playbook after seeing him in Ragnarok, I doubt she'd intentionally do something that would draw attention to herself. 3) Other than me and her the only other person on the "Don't lynch toDay" list that we might concivably lynch toDay is...you. We aren't going to try to lynch Pleo again. Fool us twice shame on us, fool us three times and we all have to commit ritual suicide. Isn't that quaint. So, you're completely against ever trying to lynch Pleo again? I mean, he did throw out the fact that he was afraid of recruitment. And aw shucks, he sure has been acting anti-town since the very beginning. You people weren't afraid to try and lynch him twice in the early stages when he was more likely town. But you're throwing out the possibility now that it's possible he HAS been recruited? So, I can't help but feel like the list is a way to divert the suspicion that was mounting against you Pollux. I am not a fan of this post at all. I figure you guys are gonna end up lynching me at some point. Unless we get a scum and they turn up Groupie #3, nobody's gonna believe me and you're all gonna be continually wondering about me. Nothing I can really do about it. I have nothing in common with Pleo in this game at all. Well then, since you claim you're not Town, vote Total LostReally? You people are going to let him get away with this shit? Just because he was unkillable earlier, he gets a free pass to do whatever the fuck he wants? Basing a vote on pure fucking semantics, even when TL says two posts earlier she's town explicitly? God Jesus almighty. Pleonast, I'm going to request that FCOD give me a temporary Day power that lets me slap people in the face with a dead trout, and then use it on you. Seriously. Though why do you think Total Lost could not be lying? I guess you skipped yourself because you don't have to second guess yourself, but we do . As I said up above, I think TL wouldn't intentionally be trying to be confusing. Her initial soft claim didn't seem to bother anyone at first. But it was only combined with her jumping on the lynching Kat thing with me and NAF and her reasoning for it that people started jumping on her wondering. And she didn't have to do that. Considering at that point, the scum would have known they were losing Kat AND they'd already lost SisCoyote and paul, why in the world would TL take a risk at throwing herself in the limelight like that? Nope, doesn't make sense to me. Also, to the people saying surely she must have had her restriction broken by now if she had one...if the restriction is true, clearly it prevents her from saying what she IS, not what she's not. And no mod is going to force a player to claim not-town when they are town, unless it's a Gastard game which FCOD assured us it's not. That is suspicious to me. It's almost like you're trying to get lynched, in which case, who are you protecting? Pollux? Not me. I hardly know the woman. I'm not sure I'm willing to believe that I've got him read that well, so I'm asking, is anybody else getting scum vibes off NAF that they're having trouble putting a finger on? Me.
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Day Six
Jun 12, 2009 1:56:45 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Jun 12, 2009 1:56:45 GMT -5
I can see that point and you're right. But we were talking about a mass claim and I didn't want us to start it before I had pointed out that is might not be as smooth as NAF seemed to think. Right now everyone seems to agree it might not have been as smooth and so - yes - I made a mistake. But I didn't claim to save my little butt! I did it to give more informations on a mass claim and potential downsides to it. But Total, unless I missed a crumb somewhere, you haven't actually given us any more information other than that you may have a post restriction, all you've done is draw heat. That is suspicious to me. It's almost like you're trying to get lynched, in which case, who are you protecting? Pollux? Huh??? I voted Pollux on gut-feeling and have be stating over and over again why I don't think the alignment of Almost Human have given us any knowlegde of the alignment of Polllux. Why would you say I'm protecting him?
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Day Six
Jun 12, 2009 3:48:32 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Jun 12, 2009 3:48:32 GMT -5
Random thoughts - this is meta, I know, but I think I learned a lot about watching from the spoilers while NAF played in Alpha Centauri. I had a strong feeling that he was scum in Ragnarok (before the bastidge had me killed ), mostly based on the way he was playing, nothing specific... I'm got the same feeling now. He's got my scumdar pegged. I'm not sure I'm willing to believe that I've got him read that well, so I'm asking, is anybody else getting scum vibes off NAF that they're having trouble putting a finger on? Well on Ragnarok I broke the cardinal "don't trust NAF" rule - and look where that went! Total's behaviour strikes me as the most suspicious - but she's being very un-total - your later comment that she's trying to get lynched yesterday does hold some water. I'm having a real hard time trusting anyone in this game. Tho if I assume Sinjin isn't a godfather - than Sinjin and IS are trustworthy - so in that respect, we may as well vote as a block. Vote: total lost
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Day Six
Jun 12, 2009 7:22:00 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Jun 12, 2009 7:22:00 GMT -5
Random thoughts - this is meta, I know, but I think I learned a lot about watching from the spoilers while NAF played in Alpha Centauri. I had a strong feeling that he was scum in Ragnarok (before the bastidge had me killed ), mostly based on the way he was playing, nothing specific... I'm got the same feeling now. He's got my scumdar pegged. I'm not sure I'm willing to believe that I've got him read that well, so I'm asking, is anybody else getting scum vibes off NAF that they're having trouble putting a finger on? Well on Ragnarok I broke the cardinal "don't trust NAF" rule - and look where that went! Total's behaviour strikes me as the most suspicious - but she's being very un-total - your later comment that she's trying to get lynched yesterday does hold some water. I'm having a real hard time trusting anyone in this game. Tho if I assume Sinjin isn't a godfather - than Sinjin and IS are trustworthy - so in that respect, we may as well vote as a block. Vote: total lost [/color] [/quote] Could you - just for the fun of it - maybe explain why you're convinced that I should be lynched? I (surprise) don't agree with me being the most scummy player in this game. Why do you?
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Day Six
Jun 12, 2009 8:50:07 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Jun 12, 2009 8:50:07 GMT -5
Total Lost (3) - NAF1138, Pleonast, BillMc MHaye (1) - Pollux
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Day Six
Jun 12, 2009 10:27:07 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Jun 12, 2009 10:27:07 GMT -5
I'm having a real hard time trusting anyone in this game. Tho if I assume Sinjin isn't a godfather - than Sinjin and IS are trustworthy - so in that respect, we may as well vote as a block. This post sets off so many warning bells for me.... Congratulations, Sinjin, even though you've been a potential GF, you're not my #1 candidate for it. This is TERRIBLE logic, Billy boy, it just reeks of taking no responsibility for your vote. FOS Bill.
Vote NAF - I'm not liking the TL Wagon just yet and you're the other person giving me the creepy vibes. Here's one thing though in the doctor business- I don't see scum fake claiming doctor. We've got a (potential for Sinjin's sake) Godfather out there in this game- they've already done the best thing they can do which is kill the more valuable late game investigator. They're going to WANT Stickler alive if only to make sure he (if he hasn't already) gets to them and proclaims them as investigating Town. I don't see more than 1-2 scum left though (I'm gonna guess there were 5 scum at the start maybe?), and those guys are gonna be worried about Stickler- but the only reason they'd WANT to claim doctor is to kill the doctor at Night. But right now with the way the game is going- if the GF's been investigated or will be investigated- he's of no threat to the scum and at some point they're going to consider a Scum vs. Doctor trade off (if they can find the doctor, they can start the WIFOM game of Doctor self protecting (if he can) vs. doc. protecting the cop (Which would help the scum kill the doctor obv). To fake claim doctor would expose the doctor, but then leave the fake scum Doc easily lynchable as soon as the real doc is done. It's a risky move to make and not one I'd think the scum would do at these odds. So a claim by the Scum will most likely be a normal claim and not a fake doc claim.... So mass claiming in such a way would probably only expose the doctor and that's why I don't like that idea. So TL- Can you give any details about the "anti-Town" fears you were having about your role? If you're town and right now you seem to be in the lead for the voting, any and all information that you CAN share with the Town would be bestly helpful. You should perhaps be thinking of making a "Final Post" sort of a post where you explain your actions/processes for each of the Days, why you did what you did, who you're not trusting, any information or worries you had that could help us, etc. Because if you are Town, it'd be useful to have, and well... things don't look good for you. And finally TL: So you're claiming you're NOT Penny 100% right? You can say that much, right? Pollux- on the "not voting for Pleonast"- the fact that someone didn't vote for Pleonast the first time, doesn't set up the potential for them being Town- it's kinda a null tell because it also sets up the potential that they're a power scum role or a GF, and IF pleo IS Town, then they would be worried about the potential of WHY he's trying to get lynched so easily (They'd worry about a crazy townie effect or some other hidden power triggered). So I'd expect the scum to split up- with most leaning towards voting for Pleonast, but having 1-2 of them NOT voting for Pleonast just to protect themselves. The key would be on the 2nd lynch they'd know that Pleonast may be a wash- and they'd be more likely to vote for the guy then. Unless they feared he was the one behind the DK, and then maybe again they'd be worried? Not sure on that one. But it at least shows how trusting someone simply because they were hesitant to lynch pleo means nothing in terms of townieness.
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Day Six
Jun 12, 2009 10:33:10 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Jun 12, 2009 10:33:10 GMT -5
So mass claiming in such a way would probably only expose the doctor and that's why I don't like that idea. I think this is what you aren't understanding. At this point it doesn't matter if the doctor is exposed. Like you said, there are only likely to be 1 or 2 scum left in a pool of 11 players. Town has a huge advantage right now and it is time to leverage it and get some concrete information.
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Day Six
Jun 12, 2009 10:39:31 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Jun 12, 2009 10:39:31 GMT -5
Isn't that quaint. So, you're completely against ever trying to lynch Pleo again? I mean, he did throw out the fact that he was afraid of recruitment. And aw shucks, he sure has been acting anti-town since the very beginning. You people weren't afraid to try and lynch him twice in the early stages when he was more likely town. But you're throwing out the possibility now that it's possible he HAS been recruited? Dude, we have attempted to kill him four times in all at this point. Story tried twice and we tried to lynch him twice. He's unkillable in my mind until someone tells me otherwise. Also I don't believe that he was ever town. He clearly lied when he posted his role PM. Lastly, that condecending attitude is my shtick, get your own. I'm not sure I'm willing to believe that I've got him read that well, so I'm asking, is anybody else getting scum vibes off NAF that they're having trouble putting a finger on? Me.[/quote] No one else has a problem with this exchange? Particularly coming on the heels of Pollux saying he didn't want to lynch me toDay and me calling him on it?
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Day Six
Jun 12, 2009 13:11:25 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Jun 12, 2009 13:11:25 GMT -5
So TL- Can you give any details about the "anti-Town" fears you were having about your role? If you're town and right now you seem to be in the lead for the voting, any and all information that you CAN share with the Town would be bestly helpful. You should perhaps be thinking of making a "Final Post" sort of a post where you explain your actions/processes for each of the Days, why you did what you did, who you're not trusting, any information or worries you had that could help us, etc. Because if you are Town, it'd be useful to have, and well... things don't look good for you. And finally TL: So you're claiming you're NOT Penny 100% right? You can say that much, right? Please forgive me - but I'm getting a bit paranoid here. I see a lot of votes and me and a lot of "please claim a bit more". I'm not really sure why you seem to be looking for Penny. But I can't repeat that I'm not her. As for a final-post with all my thoughts. if I had any idea where to go and what to make of this game - I would have said so already. I can't believe the role of Pleo and FCoD better be right this game is not gastard, cause it feels that way with a role like that. I'm sorry I voted Nanook to save NAF and feel horrible about it. Even more because I'm starting to think NAF might be scum. That and the fact that a lynch of NAF might reveal what happened with the Nanook-lynch makes me: Vote NAFAlso - just a thing I saw the other day but don't know what to think of: I find it really bizarre that RoOsh had a perfect lynch-history. The Kat!-lynch aside - every time we have lynched RoOsh has voted for that candidate. I know it might not say anything about the alignment of RoOsh - I just found the fact amusing.
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Day Six
Jun 12, 2009 13:13:29 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Jun 12, 2009 13:13:29 GMT -5
I'm having a real hard time trusting anyone in this game. Tho if I assume Sinjin isn't a godfather - than Sinjin and IS are trustworthy - so in that respect, we may as well vote as a block. What? Let's assume for a minute that IS is ELE, and Sinjin is not. Then IS knows that. IS can use that knowledge to claim that Sinjin is town, and should she turn up dead, IS's credibility is a little enhanced. You can assume what you like about Sinjin - that she's town, that she's Bad Horse off in the stables practising her terrible death whinny - it says nothing about IS either way. Neither does IS's role say anything about Sinjin's.
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Day Six
Jun 12, 2009 13:17:59 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Jun 12, 2009 13:17:59 GMT -5
NETA : The interview went OK, and I'm hopeful of getting a place on the training course. I'll know next week whether they are taking up references.
I even passed the typing test. It turned out that they wanted a typing speed around 20 wpm, and when copy-typing I can manage around 32.
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Day Six
Jun 12, 2009 13:34:41 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Jun 12, 2009 13:34:41 GMT -5
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Day Six
Jun 12, 2009 13:37:27 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Jun 12, 2009 13:37:27 GMT -5
Total Lost (3) - NAF1138, Pleonast, BillMc NAF1138 (2) - Roosh, Total Lost MHaye (1) - Pollux
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Day Six
Jun 12, 2009 13:39:45 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Jun 12, 2009 13:39:45 GMT -5
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I think I can explain the anti-town thing Total was talking about. In the SSBM game Hoopy went on and on insisting that the Scotsman role is inherently anti-town and that anyone who had that role should just let town lynch them twice and that it was their townie duty to not even put a fight just to get them out of the way.
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Day Six
Jun 12, 2009 13:39:56 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Jun 12, 2009 13:39:56 GMT -5
NETA : The interview went OK, and I'm hopeful of getting a place on the training course. I'll know next week whether they are taking up references. I even passed the typing test. It turned out that they wanted a typing speed around 20 wpm, and when copy-typing I can manage around 32. Yeah!!! Go you!!! Keeping fingers crossed and hoping for the very best!!
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Day Six
Jun 12, 2009 14:27:21 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Jun 12, 2009 14:27:21 GMT -5
As I said up above, I think TL wouldn't intentionally be trying to be confusing. Her initial soft claim didn't seem to bother anyone at first. But it was only combined with her jumping on the lynching Kat thing with me and NAF and her reasoning for it that people started jumping on her wondering. And she didn't have to do that. Considering at that point, the scum would have known they were losing Kat AND they'd already lost SisCoyote and paul, why in the world would TL take a risk at throwing herself in the limelight like that? Nope, doesn't make sense to me. Her supposed post restriction also doesn't prevent her from saying that someone might lose their power if they full claimed. She simply said what she wanted to say plainly Today: The talk with you and Story was not me trying to claim. It was me trying to say that a massclaim would have downsides to it that some players might not have thought about.Instead she did a soft-claim which could easily be interpreted as Penny, but she didn't have to do that either, since she could just have said then what she said in that quote Today. She was (is?) in favor of a mass claim, so her claim was pure self-presevation. Note that at that time paul and Kat! weren't known dead scum either, so it could have been a scum gamble to get an early claim in or as distraction since the Pleonast one had petered out. Last Night her power switched to 'hope to use it pro-town' and sinjin is now to Hoopy Hint means it is scotsman Today. To use that pro-town would be to take a scum kill, but why would scum target someone with a possible anti town power or a possible Penny? If she is a town one than what do we do with Pleonast? An unkillable scum is game breaking, but I don't see an unkillable town and a town scotsman as balanced either. If she is scotsman and if she doesn't get mod confirmed on the first death (Hoopy was in SSB IIRC so he didn't come out and asked for a double lynch) then she won't be at LyLo either. So if we going to mislynch, better do it early. Also - just a thing I saw the other day but don't know what to think of: I find it really bizarre that RoOsh had a perfect lynch-history. The Kat!-lynch aside - every time we have lynched RoOsh has voted for that candidate. I know it might not say anything about the alignment of RoOsh - I just found the fact amusing. If I remember correctly Pleonast already brought that up as an accusation and got answered pretty solidly I thought. Vote Total LostA NAF lynch would also give information, but his plan to get a doctor out is an idea that town can go along with or not. TL, intentionally or not, avoided getting vigged and set herself up not to full claim while being in favor of the mass claim itself.
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Day Six
Jun 12, 2009 14:59:45 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Jun 12, 2009 14:59:45 GMT -5
TL, intentionally or not, avoided getting vigged and set herself up not to full claim while being in favor of the mass claim itself. I see that and thought I wish you didn't go that way - at this point I can't see anyhting I can say to change it. I would like to point out that a mis-lynch is always a mis-lynch. No matter what.
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Day Six
Jun 12, 2009 15:17:46 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Jun 12, 2009 15:17:46 GMT -5
Total Lost (4) - NAF1138, Pleonast, BillMc, Natlaw NAF1138 (2) - Roosh, Total Lost MHaye (1) - Pollux
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Day Six
Jun 12, 2009 16:35:55 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Jun 12, 2009 16:35:55 GMT -5
Sorry for not posting lately, things are hectic for me now and for the near future. I'm going to read through and comment as I see things. Well then, since you claim you're not Town, vote Total LostI learn this from NAF and it does work. So I'll just ask you this: What do you know about the "third vote"-theory?? I know it works better when you invoke it before and not after a third vote. Because I thought she did it for self-serving reasons at a point were it was unnecessary and if she is town she has shrunk the pool the doc can hide in. Ok, I can understand that. It's the particulars of her claim, not the fact that it was soft that bothers you. Really? You people are going to let him get away with this shit? Just because he was unkillable earlier, he gets a free pass to do whatever the fuck he wants? Basing a vote on pure fucking semantics, even when TL says two posts earlier she's town explicitly? Heh. Your "semantics" is my scum slip. I give no weight to a player's explicit claims of Towniness. But when she said, "I have nothing in common with Pleo in this game at all", betrayed knowledge that a Townie should not have--my alignment. Unless she comes up with a plausible reason for her statement, I'm happy voting for her. I'm having a real hard time trusting anyone in this game. Tho if I assume Sinjin isn't a godfather - than Sinjin and IS are trustworthy - so in that respect, we may as well vote as a block. But this statement is very suspicious. Two parts: the "I can't trust anyone" and the "I think we should vote together". The first is a classic mushy statement scum say to avoid committing to anything. The second is an excellent way for scum to avoid accountability, since everyone voting together provides less information on a lynch. unvote Total Lostvote BillMcOh, on preview, I see BillMc was the third vote on Total. That fits well with a scum trying to push a lynch without being in the front or back of the pack.
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Day Six
Jun 12, 2009 23:34:22 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Jun 12, 2009 23:34:22 GMT -5
I'm having a real hard time trusting anyone in this game. Tho if I assume Sinjin isn't a godfather - than Sinjin and IS are trustworthy - so in that respect, we may as well vote as a block. This is all kinds of bad logic, and Bill, you've been around enough to know this is bad logic. I'm really tempted to vote for you right now, but I still think voting for an investigated town isn't a pro-town manuever at this juncture. Still, you also get a trout across the face if you're actually town. Dude, we have attempted to kill him four times in all at this point. Story tried twice and we tried to lynch him twice. He's unkillable in my mind until someone tells me otherwise. Also I don't believe that he was ever town. He clearly lied when he posted his role PM. I still don't understand what's so hard to comprehend about this. Now, I'm notoriously bad at figuring out set-ups, but the easiest and simplest solution here is he's town and unkillable, but if the conditions are correct he can be recruited to the scum side, whereby he probably becomes killable. The flaw people can't seem to get by is Pleonast didn't ask if unkillable meant unlynchable. He assumed that it just referred to Nightkills which started the whole hullabaloo in the first place. Lying and assuming something that's not actually true are two different things. And for that matter, I was always in the camp to leave Pleonast alone until later in the game, and if he started acting weird try and lynch him then. As far as I'm concerned, between his "get everybody to vote for a possible crazy townie including the cop that can be confirmed by the lynch" and his complete bogus vote on Total Lost, I think he's started to act weird. Not weird enough to lynch yet, though. A NAF lynch would also give information, but his plan to get a doctor out is an idea that town can go along with or not. I could just be having trouble parsing this, but can you explain what you mean here? Also, I'm just curious. You voted for NAF on Day Four because you didn't like his reasoning for the mass claim idea. Why are you more okay with it now, exactly? Heh. Your "semantics" is my scum slip. I give no weight to a player's explicit claims of Towniness. But when she said, "I have nothing in common with Pleo in this game at all", betrayed knowledge that a Townie should not have--my alignment. Unless she comes up with a plausible reason for her statement, I'm happy voting for her. So you're claiming you're still on the town's side then? Just checking. I personally think there's a difference between showing PIS and just nitpicking language, but it's your call I guess.
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Day Six
Jun 13, 2009 0:33:14 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Jun 13, 2009 0:33:14 GMT -5
Pollux & Crake; I'm feeling the same way you are about Pleo. Previously aside from his flakey anti-town claim that made us mislynch him twice I found many of his comments pro-town. Now he's being flakey and anti-town.
If I end up dead toDay or Tomorrow I suggest town try to lynch Pleo again.
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Day Six
Jun 13, 2009 0:35:22 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Jun 13, 2009 0:35:22 GMT -5
Crake?
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Day Six
Jun 13, 2009 0:42:47 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Jun 13, 2009 0:42:47 GMT -5
Sorry to be obscure, bad bastardization of this book title: Oryx and Crake Just meant Pollux whoever.
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Day Six
Jun 13, 2009 2:28:11 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Jun 13, 2009 2:28:11 GMT -5
But this statement is very suspicious. Two parts: the "I can't trust anyone" and the "I think we should vote together". The first is a classic mushy statement scum say to avoid committing to anything. The second is an excellent way for scum to avoid accountability, since everyone voting together provides less information on a lynch. unvote Total Lostvote BillMcOh, on preview, I see BillMc was the third vote on Total. That fits well with a scum trying to push a lynch without being in the front or back of the pack. Technically he was 4. (Sinjin did vote me - it just doesn't count). Also did you miss this: Good morning! I did not find any scum last night. I investigated BillMC and found him to be Town.
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Jun 13, 2009 2:31:56 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Jun 13, 2009 2:31:56 GMT -5
But when she said, "I have nothing in common with Pleo in this game at all", betrayed knowledge that a Townie should not have--my alignment. Unless she comes up with a plausible reason for her statement, I'm happy voting for her. I have said over and over again that I don't believe you're Town. That statement was meant for me to say: My claim is nothing like yours My role is nothing like yours And I still think you're "Not-Town". I'm still unsure if you're scum or PFK (I hope PFK because a scum-role with that kind of power makes me think "gastard" and the mod said this wasn't a gastrad-game).
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