In this post, I respond to Suburban's vote against me. I can't quote everything at once that I wanted to, or needed to quote.
I added them in when I can. I believe I provided the matterial facts needed.
Which brings me to my first point. Suburban:: Why did you neglect to add this post to your WOW on me?
www.idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=dds&thread=1885&page=6#88245Anyway, here we go with my response to yours;
[This is you speaking. I come in at >>>]
Hello all...I was following along sporadically over the weekend, but didn't have enough time to put together a useful post. Runniong down the votes so far...
Meeko votes Ed because he's making more noise than Chronos
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At first this seems to DEFINE opportunistic. You are ""too busy"" to add anything to this game, so you would rather be a vulture and pick at the carcass of the vote record. Apparently you find me tasty. Here I am to say "Bite Me". ..... Wait, that didn't come out right. You know what I mean.
It seems like there's an awful lot of action centering in Special Ed. This doesn't surprise me one bit. personally, I think Ed is acting in a manner that's entirely typical for him of late, so it's a null tell at this point.
>>> Yes my actions and vote towards Ed IS based on him "of late".
You Smudge me later, leaving out my best response to the New Ed.
A few posts that stood out to me:
[[[My Quoting of the post doesn't quote everything I said. I am re-pasting it here.]]]
Snipped to summary:
Chronos : In short, I think you are making noise.
Which is a moot point given what Ed is doing.
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The key piece here, is that Ed is being Noisier than Chronos. Yes Chronos has noise, but at least it's game related. Ed's noise was PURE spam. Chronos has noise,
Ed has NOISE with a capital NOISE. Vote Spec. Ed
At least it's not random Wiki articles.
>>> I didn't play in that game, but I would wager that he got votes on him based on the spam he put there. I Would make an educated guess that he probably did this AFTER day 1. That being said, if voting for Ed in this manner is suitable AFTER ""Day 1 Votes"" then it must be suitible for Day 1 votes.
I would like an explanation Ed.
>>> And an Appology. But looks like we won't be getting that.
Vote Early, Vote Often.
>>> Implying I might still switch my vote. And I still might....
Unless Ed has set us up the bomb, and all our mafia play are belong to him ?
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Then again, is posting drunk Pro-Town?
Talk about a "WIFOM" moment.
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Pollux Oil : While I did go for the meme, I was seriously asking if Ed is a Bomb type character. That is, one that can do something on those that voted for him.
A power that lets someone kill based on post count? Some people have all the luck.
But no, I think Ed is simply drunk. I think. I hope.
>>> And he has since told us he was. I was also hoping for an apollogy but we have moved beyond this point, at this point.
--- Chronos comments to sBrown on the fact that he is town, by claiming town. ----------
Bolded and ""embiggened""
[You guys don't know how hard it is for me to resist a "Holy X Batman!" comment here.]
So, Chronos is already claiming alignment.
A tough nut to crack, this.
I still think that Chronos is making noise here, un-provoked comments and what not.
He made the comment that he wouldn't use his vote analysis program [That IIRC, at one iteration, calculated Noise to signal] which in hindsight [and which Chronos offers self admittedly] is ITSELF is only noise --- but I don't think the replacement is that much better.
Has there ever been a case where a player was so-over eager to prove townliness and they were telling the truth? [Wait a second... Ok, take Meeko out of that equation, and ask again.]
Then again, Could the ditching of the vote analysis program be a zugzwang for the anti-town Chronos?
Would he ditch it, to gain town cred, then conclude that he actually needed the noise that the program it, itself provided?
If scum thought to stall game play .... what are they seeking to achieve? Is it in and of itself enough, or does town need to actively comment among the stalling topics? [/quote]
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Meeko points out that Chronos is 'making noise' just as much as Ed, but votes for Ed because he was 'asking for it'. But he thinks Ed was really just drunk. In the last post here he all but says Chronos must be Scum, but he's still voting Ed...apparently for no other reason than posting drunk.
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No.
Chronos : In short, I think you are making noise.
Which is a moot point given what Ed is doing.
This is NOT voting Ed because he is Drunk. This is voting Ed because he is making Noise - NOISE noise.
I commented in the post that you Neglected to providewww.idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=dds&thread=1885&page=6#88245The following::
Chronos: I think you know where I am with you right now. It's not even at a FOS threshold. The reason? As someone else has pointed out, you are doing things that fit your personality.
Ed is Making Noise, and he is also not ringing true for me. This in short is why I was making a Day 1 Vote against him.
I am not against making a case against Chronos if I needed to. Note the word NEEDED. At no point did I say Chronos was Scum.
I also do not rule out that Ed and Chronos are both Scum. From this, I don't follow your::::
In the last post here he all but says Chronos must be Scum, but he's still voting Ed...apparently for no other reason than posting drunk.
The Word of Mod could come down and say that Chronos is Scum. That would not change Ed's alignment in the least.
Do you know something about Ed and or Chronos that I do not? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
A couple other items of note:
And this last may be purely subjective, but it seems that
BillMc is being more talkative early than is normal for him. True, he only has 4 posts so far, so 'more talkative' is definitely relative here, but it's been enough that it stood out in my mind.
>>>>> So you basically are saying that you would like to vote for BillMc. But you would rather smudge me, and vote for me. >>> Got it.
Based on all of the above,
vote Meeko
It could just be a 'Meeko vs. Ed' thing. Or it could be a vote for Ed because he can always explain it away as a 'Meeko vs. Ed thing'. In either case, it's a bad vote that isn;t supported by his own posts.
>>> The vote IS supported by my posts. The one you didn't add.www.idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=dds&thread=1885&page=6#88245---------------------------------
The Meeko Vs. Ed thing refers to the game Conspiracy [3 I think it was?] we were both wolves in that game and we had an off board board.
I think we both learned our lesson from that, as we both died night 1. I do not know if I am on the same team with Ed for this game. And in case you guys still don't understand what I mean :
I am Town.
Unvote Ed
Vote SuburbanI'm not sure if it is a smudge exactly, but you left out a key post of mine in the defense of my Vote on Ed. My vote on Ed was [obviously] a Day 1 Vote that I prefaced with the colloquial "Vote Early, Vote Often" to imply I would probably change my vote later.
I would _much_ rather vote for someone who smudges me over someone who makes noise, and later offers an explanaion. Smudging makes for a better vote over pure NOISE noise on day 1, or on any day, rather.
Added Bonus : This _should_ remove any lingering doubt that Ed and I are joined at the hip for this game. As far as hating each other goes.