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Post by Meeko on Mar 6, 2012 6:41:33 GMT -5
Astral : You are Full of it.
You say I hold on to a vote of Ed for too long. Does no one give a damn that he posted drunk? Does no one care that, the noise he made from that IS anti-town? For all your talk about me talking about Chronos, you could at least have referenced the the post where I comment that Ed is further away from his baseline than Chronos was.
But then again, you know about talking about your second vote choice [at the time] and then turning on a dime to vote for someone else.
But, you know what else has also been too long? The amount of time that has passed since I've changed my vote. A Day 1 vote, no less.
What is the difference between ""Inventing"" a slip, and asking questions? Town has to ask questions when they see something, right? If town had the answers they need here, they would be scum.
What's with your "Oh, and by the way scum, please take out these people, kthxbye" list?
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Post by scáthach on Mar 6, 2012 6:46:11 GMT -5
Ok: Meeko First off, a disclaimer. I have no intention whatsoever of quoting all your posts, as it would doubtless crash the board. First off, your overreaction to Chronos suggesting a handshake is just odd. For one thing, it wasn't really a handshake he suggested, more of a semi-claim, and even if you disagreed your shock horror HOW DARE YOU reaction just seems odd. I was going to quote it, but I can't find spoiler tags and I don't want this post to be too obnoxiously long. It's here www.idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=dds&thread=1885&post=88106You're voting Ed for "noise" (and also throw in some random bomb speculation) @ Chronos : It just seems like you are trying anything and everything to, as you put it, make noise. A lot of noise, and no signal. I can't shake the notion that you are just trying to buy time with the short list of Day 1 topics, thrown in all together at once. To that end, even commenting on why a handshake is bad, is bad. You say it's not really a handshake. I'm not sure what it is then. It's still a tail, even if you call it a leg. Chronos : In short, I think you are making noise.
Which is a moot point given what Ed is doing. Vote Spec. EdAt least it's not random Wiki articles. I would like an explanation Ed.
Vote Early, Vote Often. Unless Ed has set us up the bomb, and all our mafia play are belong to him ? Which is a bit ironic given you managed 5 paragraphs yourself of talking about vigs to conclude that we shouldn't talk about vigs. Let's not get too caught up in arguing about what a Vig should, or shouldn't do. At a certain point, speculating about the pure speculation serves to take up more time than the actual speculation. We do not know for sure that we even have a Vig. It could and should probably be assumed, given the number of players and the overall color of the game. Beyond that, if we can reasonably assume a Vig, that doesn't necessarily mean we can assume the flavor of Vig. I would like to think that a town compulsory vig would have (and should use) different ideas than a non compulsory town vig. But, at the end of the day, possession is nine tenths. The Vig, if we have one, will probably end up doing whatever. Other players have no control over it, and that is the long and the short of it. If we have a Vig, I would hope that he / she doesn't do something stupid, like shooting Hurley* on night 1. [I've been there, done that.] *See LOST Mafia. On second thought, don't. More noise from the anti-noise voter here www.idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=dds&thread=1885&post=88136This time it's shock horror at claiming town. As if anyone claiming town is a huge surprise. Surely we're all implied to be claiming town at the beginning of a game, that's sort of the point of mafia. He also says that an over effort to seem townie is suspicious, except when he does it? Or something? This is the post where he votes for Suburban www.idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=dds&thread=1885&post=88321For reasons that are entirely opaque to me because I can't parse a word of it. Ironically at some point in the middle, he claims Town, which he found suspicious earlier but hey whatevs. www.idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=dds&thread=1885&post=88331www.idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=dds&thread=1885&post=88436www.idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=dds&thread=1885&post=88440www.idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=dds&thread=1885&post=88449A selection of overreactions to being voted. Here he votes Hal, again for being antitown rather than for being scummy, which is similar to how he voted Ed. I hate that sort of justification, it smacks of plausible deniability, it's like policy voting. www.idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=dds&thread=1885&post=88430I'm not even going to bother linking to the haggle side-bar that he took off on. Basically, voting for Ed for making noise and then making twenty times as much yourself, overreaction to being voted and voting for people for being "anti-town" instead of suspicous. vote Meeko
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 6, 2012 7:10:01 GMT -5
I forget who it was, but someone said while explaining that they didn't think now was the time to lynch Pleo, that it will be easy for scum to 'hide' by just voting for Pleo right now. While it may in fact be true, this early in the game I think that kinda qualifies as a smudge against the Pleo voters.
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Post by Meeko on Mar 6, 2012 7:17:38 GMT -5
So, I'm Opaque when I can't explain things.
I'm Noisy when I try to explain things.
Damned if I do, Damned if I don't.
Chronos starts down the path of bringing up things that are dead and gone. Things that I thought our group has unequivocally put into a lockbox to never speak of again, "The Villiage" style.
That box doesn't need to be opened. Not the least by Chronos.
I offer "We can't do much of anything" in response to talking about Vigs. JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.
Why does it matter what words I use Scat? If you say you can't parse what I say, how can you be certain you understand how I use "anti-town" ?
Frankly, wouldn't being suspicious be more Ambiguous than being Anti-town?
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Post by Total Ullz on Mar 6, 2012 7:27:30 GMT -5
I forget who it was, but someone said while explaining that they didn't think now was the time to lynch Pleo, that it will be easy for scum to 'hide' by just voting for Pleo right now. While it may in fact be true, this early in the game I think that kinda qualifies as a smudge against the Pleo voters. It was me and I backed it up with a vote on Texcat for saying that lynching scum would be best but a PFK was better than a mis-lynch. Since I disagree and strongly feel a Pleo-lynch will give us well little to work with toMorrow, I don't think I smudged all Pleo-voters with my words. You may disagree with me. However since you even forgot who said it...
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Post by storyteller0910 on Mar 6, 2012 7:57:23 GMT -5
VOTE COUNT - OFFICIAL - TUESDAY AM
Pleonast (5 votes) - Cookies (357), Nanook (359), texcat (382), astralrejection (407), SBrOwn (419) Hal Briston (4 votes) - Pollux Oil (271), Lightfoot (283), Silver Jan (300), Meeko (345) Meeko (2 votes) - Suburban Plankton (206), scathach (421)[/i] Mahaloth (1 vote) - Inner Stickler (11) Chronos (1 vote) - peekercpa (87) Special Ed (1 vote) - Pleonast (237) peekercpa (1 vote) - askthepizzaguy (115) Drain Bead (1 vote) - guiri (140) Rysto (1 vote) - Mahaloth (196) Idle Thoughts (1 vote) - Hal Briston (205) Gadarene (1 vote) - Chronos (406) texcat (1 vote) - Total Ullz (411)
Day Ends - Thursday, March 8, @5:00PM EST
(in roughly 57 hours)
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 6, 2012 8:15:46 GMT -5
I forget who it was, but someone said while explaining that they didn't think now was the time to lynch Pleo, that it will be easy for scum to 'hide' by just voting for Pleo right now. While it may in fact be true, this early in the game I think that kinda qualifies as a smudge against the Pleo voters. It was me and I backed it up with a vote on Texcat for saying that lynching scum would be best but a PFK was better than a mis-lynch. Since I disagree and strongly feel a Pleo-lynch will give us well little to work with toMorrow, I don't think I smudged all Pleo-voters with my words. You may disagree with me. However since you even forgot who said it... I guess I just see it as null tell either way, because the act of advancing the idea that voting for Pleo is lazy or convenient or less than ideal or not the towniest thing to do could also be considered lazy or convenient or less than ideal or not the towniest thing to do also. My justification for voting for Pleo has been pretty much the same as you paraphrased from Texcat, though. Can you clarify why her and not me?
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Post by Total Ullz on Mar 6, 2012 8:26:20 GMT -5
It was me and I backed it up with a vote on Texcat for saying that lynching scum would be best but a PFK was better than a mis-lynch. Since I disagree and strongly feel a Pleo-lynch will give us well little to work with toMorrow, I don't think I smudged all Pleo-voters with my words. You may disagree with me. However since you even forgot who said it... I guess I just see it as null tell either way, because the act of advancing the idea that voting for Pleo is lazy or convenient or less than ideal or not the towniest thing to do could also be considered lazy or convenient or less than ideal or not the towniest thing to do also. My justification for voting for Pleo has been pretty much the same as you paraphrased from Texcat, though. Can you clarify why her and not me? I can try It was the timing and the feeling from her post. It gives me a very strong me-too-feeling and while I did read and understand why Pleo got some votes I started seeing it as a "wagon" by the time I read her post. Could you tell me what info you think a Pleo-lynch will provide us?
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Post by Drain Bead on Mar 6, 2012 8:35:26 GMT -5
Okay. A few random observations before I start a full re-read of the thread.
1. Pleonast is big on claiming right out of the box. I've only seen him do it as Town--in fact, IIRC he once got lynched D1 because he didn't claim, and he turned out to be Scum. I can't say I would have done the same thing as him--or if I did, I would have left out the part about the Funny Gun entirely, as he's essentially made it harder to reach his alleged wincon by including it. He needs to die before he gets to ten kills, just in case he's PFK, but I don't see any pressing need to do it now.
2. Hal seems to be falling victim to a classic trap that's gotten just about everyone here in the past. Anti-Town =/= Pro-Scum. Sure, he managed to give a player of questionable allegiance a Day Kill, but I think it's actually less likely that a Scum player would have done this. Someone on his team would have talked him out of it. I read the rules to see if Scum can post on their boards during the Day--it's not explicitly stated, but since strategy can be discussed Day or Night, it generally works out that Scum can communicate during the Day as well. Because of this, I'm giving Hal a slightly pro-Town lean at this point.
3. I think Meeko is just being himself. He posts a lot, but almost all of it is game-related. I don't find it to be noise in the traditional definition. He's just verbose. In fact, generally when he's Scum he's a little more restrained. He also tends to overreact to votes no matter what as well. Meeko's behavior is a big fat null tell to me.
4. So is ed's. His new playstyle rubs people the wrong way; I tend to have no major issue with it, but that's just me. What he does is essentially provoke people and see who takes the bait and why, and then makes decisions based upon that. It seems to be relatively effective for him, and I find it gives decent info through the reactions, especially as the game goes on. I also do believe he was posting drunk rather than attempting to send secret messages (seriously? Occam's Razor, yo) to other undetermined people.
Now that I've spent a little bit of time discussing what I don't particularly find to be suspicious, I'm going to attempt a re-read (you people are prolific) and see if anything jumps out at me that I *do* find suspicious. I remember a couple of things, but I have to find them.
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Post by Mahaloth on Mar 6, 2012 8:44:16 GMT -5
UNVOTEVote Pleo for being the scummiest person out here today How is he the scummiest?
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Post by astralrejection on Mar 6, 2012 9:33:29 GMT -5
Astral : You are Full of it. Fair enough. This comment is disingenuous. I made my vote for who I believe should be lynched, and then talked about my second and third choices. Would you prefer I post my vote, and then just walk away from the keyboard until the day ends? You specifically implied he had special knowledge about the game state, as if you had "caught" him in a scum slip. I've found that on average, scum do this more often. You mean my weighing in on people who other players are talking about? If scum feel like killing them all just to incriminate me, so be it. I'll worry about it when it happens. Right now I'm most concerned with getting the SK lynched.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Mar 6, 2012 9:53:14 GMT -5
Oh, one last thing: Pleonast, I believe it would be both in your best interest and in ours if you waited until toMorrow to use your killing joke, and used your mask (if indeed you have one) toNight. To your benefit, it removes the window of opportunity for you to be killed toNight, and to our benefit, it delays the extra kill to where it would be more valuable to Town. I'm not entirely comfortable dealing with the devil like this (or maybe, dancing with the devil in the pale moonlight), but given that we can still lynch you, I think it's probably safe. I'm not entirely comfortable with this. You do realize that the mask supposedly doesn't go away until it's activated, right? You're essentially saying "I don't mind if this claimed third-party player gives himself Nightkill immunity." I think that is a supremely, supremely bad move on our parts to suggest for him to do that, and also very anti-town. To all people voting Pleonast: keep in mind if he becomes the lynch target, he has no reason to keep to his "kill the person with the second most votes" promise. He could kill whoever he wants to since he's going to die anyway. Or he could use any one of his other powers instead of the killing joke. I, personally, would much rather force him into killing who he promises to with his power (the lynch runner-up) and then hope he gets offed in the Night. That way his extra kill is a known quantity: we know when, where, and who it's coming on. And if he doesn't kill who he says he will, we just lynch him tomorrow because he's obviously not going to do what he says. However, I can understand if people think a single, unknown quantity of a kill is preferable and we just say screw it and lynch him toDay before any more damage occurs. Mostly because as days progress, this game is most likely going to get crazier and crazier, and there will be more distractions unrelated to Pleo, and it's entirely possible we'll give him enough time to slip through the cracks and meet his win condition.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Mar 6, 2012 9:55:25 GMT -5
okay. i think i'm caught up. here are my thoughts which i think are similar with Drain Bead's: 1. Pleoi agree that he is not a threat now and voting for him just because there might be a mislynch is crap. if we did that we would be back to square one because a lot players would have voted with minimal justification and leave little to no information. i'm not saying he isn't a threat. i'm am agreeing that he isn't a threat on D1. a killing PFK or 3rd party that openly claims to want to win with town must unnerve scum. 2. Hali was ready to vote for him because i felt that only scum or another PFK/3rd party would want a powered up killer since a random shot is likely to kill town. however, i will refrain due to several comments that he just plays that way. 3. Special Edso far everything he's done is a null tell. it's a bit frustrating because i can't get a read on him one way or the other and i rely more on meta and gut to decide who's scum and who's town. ------------------------------ Ok, face value and hidden butt value of the claim have now been absorbed. Unvote ChronosVote PleoIt may not be the lynch that provides the most insight, but it should help keep the assumed townie-mislynch that would probably happen if we didn't lynch him from happening. And I'll officially chime in with the others on the big hairy eyeball of shame for Hal. Such a pessimistic viewpoint, full of misanthropy, to posit that dead bodies are easier/better to gain information from than living, breathing players. Yeah it might be true sometimes, but it makes the game less fun. And talk about things to just up and do without talking about it first. Priming an alleged killing power pretty much takes the cake. I forget who it was, but someone said while explaining that they didn't think now was the time to lynch Pleo, that it will be easy for scum to 'hide' by just voting for Pleo right now. While it may in fact be true, this early in the game I think that kinda qualifies as a smudge against the Pleo voters. i don't find those voting for Pleo necessarily scummy but when it's justified by despite admitting there will be a less insight, that doesn't sound right to me. based on your other post, it appears you are defensive about your vote as well. therefore, Vote Cookiesif Texcat said the same, i'll place a FOS on her too. I've got to run to class like 5 mins ago, but I wanted to make a longer post (Summary- I don't trust Pleo's claim).... But while reading through the last game, did everyone forget about Harley Quinn from the last game? AKA The Serial Killer's Hidden Partner? There MIGHT just be a reason for the Joker to Role Claim, and leaving him alone for a Night cycle could lead us to having an SK TEAM tommorrow rather than just an SK claiming to be "pro-townie". I really don't understand why people want to keep an SK alive in this sort of a game where there is an active possibility of recruitment available. I'll try to post more in the evening, but I really don't understand why the possibility of 2 more kills against the town is a GOOD thing by keeping him alive. Forget just Pleo, but think about the bigger picture, a hidden SK and an SK posing as a Pro-Town "vig" just seems like trouble.... UNVOTEVote Pleo for being the scummiest person out here today *With hopefully more comments/thoughts to come tonight if I can get home and post after classes/work. this is really weird. how can an admitted PFK/3rd party be scummy? based on the number of your posts here it seems you are new to the board. but your posts say you aren't new to mafia. so i can't understand your comment. FOS SBrown --------------------------------------- i'd like to see what Pleo can do for town. we can keep him on a very short leash.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Mar 6, 2012 10:03:27 GMT -5
NETA:
4. Meeko
i've only played with him one and he was scum. he was nailed for not having his usual verbose style. i believe that this is first game since then. unless he's been able to rein in his playstyle since then, i'm thinking he's town.
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Post by Gadarene on Mar 6, 2012 10:13:23 GMT -5
Finally, on a different note: Gadarene has twice now posted Fingers of Suspicion against people, but hasn't voted on either. This being a time-honored method for Scum trying to avoid accountability, I will Unvote Special Ed Vote GadareneThis is a cultural thing. I'm quite comfortable voicing suspicion of people without voting them, and it's how I typically play, especially early in the Day (and especially early in the game). If you want to hold me accountable, just pretend I'm voting for the people I'm suspecting; I don't quite see the difference.
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Post by Gadarene on Mar 6, 2012 10:18:19 GMT -5
That being said, I think that giving Pleo time to activate his Mask (assuming he's telling something resembling the truth about it) would be a Very Bad Thing for the reasons Pollux points out.
Also, Pleo needs to kill townies to win; we need to kill Pleo to win (I flat-out don't believe that a win could be shared between him and town). It's better if he dies sooner rather than later.
Vote: Pleonast[/color]
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Post by Gadarene on Mar 6, 2012 10:18:49 GMT -5
Try that again.
Vote: Pleonast
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Mar 6, 2012 10:30:38 GMT -5
Some thoughts on Pleonast:
First, his WinCon vs. others' WinCons. If he is a Third Party, and not a PFK, then his WinCon is by definition not in opposition to either the Town or Scum WinCon. In that case, we don't need to lynch him, and the Scum don't need to Kill him. The problem is that there's no practical way for us to know whether he is really a Third Party, or if he's actually a PFK. Of course, there's no way for Scum to tell either, so they are in the same position as Town.
One thing that we can derive from this is that we can't necessarily rely on the Scum to kill him for us. True, they need him dead in order to be sure they can win, but so does Town. So just as we can say "We don't need to lynch him, because the Scum need him dead too, so they will have to Night Kill him", the Scum can say "We don't need to Night Kill him because the Town will need to lynch him eventually". It's just a matter of who blinks first.
Regarding Pleo's proposed 'deal' with the Town: we should ignore it now, rather than later. The gist of it was "I play as Town, and you let me live". We've already broken our part of the bargain by stating in no uncertain terms that there's no way we're letting him live until End Game. So there's absolutely no motivation for Pleo to play in a pro-Town manner. I expect him to try to do as much damage as possible (to any and all sides, if he can manage it) before he dies.
And as far as the 'voting record' goes if we lynch him Today, I don't think that's really an issue. He is claimed Third Party, and suspected PFK. As such, everybody (with the possible exception of a 'partner' PFK) wants him dead. Town wants him dead. Scum wants him dead. Other Third Parties want him dead. If everyone votes for him Today, that just means that everyone wants him dead, which we already know. The only way the voting record matters in this case is if he's really Scum, in which case Scum have different motives regarding his existence than Town does. I don't think he's Scum, and I haven't heard anything that indicates any one else feels that way. So our choices are 'lynch him Today', 'hope that he gets Night Killed before we have to lynch him another Day', or 'let him live and hope he's not a PFK'. I think the third option is right-out, so it's simply a case of 'now or later', and I think both Town and Scum can have legitimate reasons for preferring either option.
A quick detour to talk about Hal: I think he's a victim of 'Big Red Button Syndrome'. I can see the argument that his action was anti-Town, ut I don't see it as pro-Scum. Sure, he could be Pleo's 'secret partner', but I think it's far more likely that he did what he did as either a joke, or as a way of saying 'up yours' to Pleonast. Either way, I don't think it tells us anything about his alignment.
I'm still split on Pleo...but I'm starting to lean towards 'Lynch him now'. I think that we've made it pretty clear that he has zero chance to win this game, so I think he's going to cause as much carnage as possible before he dies. It's what I would do if I were in his position (although I wouldn't have put myself in that position to begin with).
Of course, just as we can't trust his alignment, we can't trust his claimed powers either. He could have a Bomb, or a Lynch immunity, or any of a host of other tricks up his sleeve. Paradoxically, it's probably the better move to lynch him if he's being truthful, and not lynch him if he's lying...but that's somehow fitting for the Joker, isn't it?
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Post by astralrejection on Mar 6, 2012 10:46:31 GMT -5
I'd rather take that risk now, before he can activate any worse powers he may have forgotten to tell us about. If he lied and he has a bomb, he may have lied and has something worse.
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Post by texcat on Mar 6, 2012 10:55:28 GMT -5
I've got to run to class like 5 mins ago, but I wanted to make a longer post (Summary- I don't trust Pleo's claim).... But while reading through the last game, did everyone forget about Harley Quinn from the last game? AKA The Serial Killer's Hidden Partner? There MIGHT just be a reason for the Joker to Role Claim, and leaving him alone for a Night cycle could lead us to having an SK TEAM tommorrow rather than just an SK claiming to be "pro-townie". I really don't understand why people want to keep an SK alive in this sort of a game where there is an active possibility of recruitment available. I'll try to post more in the evening, but I really don't understand why the possibility of 2 more kills against the town is a GOOD thing by keeping him alive. Forget just Pleo, but think about the bigger picture, a hidden SK and an SK posing as a Pro-Town "vig" just seems like trouble.... UNVOTEVote Pleo for being the scummiest person out here today *With hopefully more comments/thoughts to come tonight if I can get home and post after classes/work. this is really weird. how can an admitted PFK/3rd party be scummy? based on the number of your posts here it seems you are new to the board. but your posts say you aren't new to mafia. so i can't understand your comment. FOS SBrown I haven't read far enough in the last game to get to the recruiting serial killer. My first reaction was that if you added recruitment to Pleo's other claimed powers that it would be over the top. Considering it a little longer, it might make sense if it was not an additional power, just a choice after death for the victim. Clearly, Pleo is not the scummiest, but he is arguably the most dangerous. One of more of the Pleo voters are probably going to die with him. Total Ullz, do you really think that's the easy vote for scum? Wouldn't it be easier for scum to vote for Hal?
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Post by scáthach on Mar 6, 2012 11:00:10 GMT -5
One of more of the Pleo voters are probably going to die with him. How does this follow?
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Post by scáthach on Mar 6, 2012 11:01:02 GMT -5
One of more of the Pleo voters are probably going to die with him. How does this follow? Wait, duh, yes I see. He'll use his Day kill thanks to Hal. Thought we'd gone back to the bomb discussion or something.
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Post by Total Ullz on Mar 6, 2012 11:25:28 GMT -5
One of more of the Pleo voters are probably going to die with him. Total Ullz, do you really think that's the easy vote for scum? Wouldn't it be easier for scum to vote for Hal? That would very much depend on Hal's alignment - wouldn't it?
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Post by sinjin on Mar 6, 2012 11:27:18 GMT -5
One of more of the Pleo voters are probably going to die with him. Total Ullz, do you really think that's the easy vote for scum? Wouldn't it be easier for scum to vote for Hal? Why do you think that one or more of the Pleo voters are going to die with him? I don't think Pleo is the vengeful type. Your last question has me going It would be pretty damn hard for scum to vote for Hal if Hal is scum. Your question seems to indicate pretty clearly that you strongly believe that Hal is not scum. That's real strange this early in the game.
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Post by LightFoot on Mar 6, 2012 11:27:44 GMT -5
Keep in mind, since it appears that the group is not leaning towards letting Pleo live, we have no idea which of his bag of tricks he might use.
There are tricks that can be ‘applied’ during the Day and trigger at Night and no mention if they remain in effect after Pleo’s death.
There is no reason for him to keep his side of the bargain. And extra carnage after his death might just be what he has in mind
(I’m sure I’d think about it myself in what appears to be his position)
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Mar 6, 2012 11:27:54 GMT -5
I guess I just see it as null tell either way, because the act of advancing the idea that voting for Pleo is lazy or convenient or less than ideal or not the towniest thing to do could also be considered lazy or convenient or less than ideal or not the towniest thing to do also. My justification for voting for Pleo has been pretty much the same as you paraphrased from Texcat, though. Can you clarify why her and not me? I can try It was the timing and the feeling from her post. It gives me a very strong me-too-feeling and while I did read and understand why Pleo got some votes I started seeing it as a "wagon" by the time I read her post. Could you tell me what info you think a Pleo-lynch will provide us? This question wasn't addressed to me, but that's never stopped me before... I don't think a Pleo lynch Today has anything to do with 'providing information'. It would be purely a 'damage control measure'. It's great if each lynch provides us with a wealth of data that we can sort through to help make future decisions easier, but sometimes it's OK to lynch someone just because we need to get rid of them.
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Post by sinjin on Mar 6, 2012 11:28:36 GMT -5
aced out by Ulla
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Post by Silver Jan on Mar 6, 2012 11:38:40 GMT -5
From what I can see, Pleo has a one shot Day kill; does this mean that he can only use this power once? That’s what it looks like to me. He also doesn’t have to actively kill a Town player, he only has to be on the wagon that does. It says in Pleos wincon that he can win with either scum or Town so why does he need to be killed? Unless he is pissed off with all this talk of having to kill him off. If he is being honest with us then I can’t see a downside to keeping him alive. Town needs all PFKs dead and Pleo is not a PFK.
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Post by sinjin on Mar 6, 2012 11:43:08 GMT -5
I have been thinking about the Pleo situation, a lot, as most of us have. I am concerned about the proposed vig solution to the Pleo problem. If scum have a watcher, we've just outed our vig. Enough beating around the bush. I think we need to take out Pleo sooner rather than later.
vote Pleonast
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Post by BillMc on Mar 6, 2012 11:47:29 GMT -5
First, his WinCon vs. others' WinCons. If he is a Third Party, and not a PFK, then his WinCon is by definition not in opposition to either the Town or Scum WinCon. In that case, we don't need to lynch him, and the Scum don't need to Kill him. That implies that there is a method to neutralize him, without killing him. He isn't going to run out of powers, so that would mean that there would need to be someone else who could neutralize all his claimed powers. Now if there is someone who can neutralize him - claiming up front would be a bad move. If he can be "neutralized" then claiming paints a nice big target on his back, and he plays the rest of the game as vanilla? If he can't be "neutralized" then the scum need him dead and he's lying about his win con. I can't see his motivation for the first point, and that makes me think he's lying about his wincon and thus his motivations. Vote: Pleo
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