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Post by peekercpa on Mar 6, 2012 11:47:58 GMT -5
games within games is what worries me. pleo is a good enough player that he knows that his claim is going to generate heat on him. so what is the motivation? i know of at least one game where there was some non traditional competition going on. i wonder if that could be the case here. and as hoopy likes to observe the greatest gastardliness is that which we inflict upon ourselves.
silver i assume you draw the conclusion that pleo is not pfk because he says so. however, hiding in plain sight is not a bad strategy in a game this size. matter of fact claiming sk is about the only way to go as a pfk.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Mar 6, 2012 11:50:25 GMT -5
From what I can see, Pleo has a one shot Day kill; does this mean that he can only use this power once? That’s what it looks like to me. He also doesn’t have to actively kill a Town player, he only has to be on the wagon that does. It says in Pleos wincon that he can win with either scum or Town so why does he need to be killed? Unless he is pissed off with all this talk of having to kill him off. If he is being honest with us then I can’t see a downside to keeping him alive. Town needs all PFKs dead and Pleo is not a PFK. Well, yes... if he's telling the truth, and if he plays 'pro-Town' as he proposed, and if he doesn't have an unlucky streak where he offs half the Town by accident, then we can certainly let him live all the way to End Game and share in our triumphant victory. What if he's lying?
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Post by texcat on Mar 6, 2012 11:50:35 GMT -5
One of more of the Pleo voters are probably going to die with him. Total Ullz, do you really think that's the easy vote for scum? Wouldn't it be easier for scum to vote for Hal? Why do you think that one or more of the Pleo voters are going to die with him? I don't think Pleo is the vengeful type. Your last question has me going It would be pretty damn hard for scum to vote for Hal if Hal is scum. Your question seems to indicate pretty clearly that you strongly believe that Hal is not scum. That's real strange this early in the game. I haven't seen anyone explain a scum motivation for Hal punching the big red button since Pleo's powers as claimed seem equally dangerous to scum. So I see it mostly as a null tell, and made a note to myself to look more closely at Hal voters.
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Post by peekercpa on Mar 6, 2012 11:51:17 GMT -5
First, his WinCon vs. others' WinCons. If he is a Third Party, and not a PFK, then his WinCon is by definition not in opposition to either the Town or Scum WinCon. In that case, we don't need to lynch him, and the Scum don't need to Kill him. That implies that there is a method to neutralize him, without killing him. He isn't going to run out of powers, so that would mean that there would need to be someone else who could neutralize all his claimed powers. Now if there is someone who can neutralize him - claiming up front would be a bad move. If he can be "neutralized" then claiming paints a nice big target on his back, and he plays the rest of the game as vanilla? If he can't be "neutralized" then the scum need him dead and he's lying about his win con. I can't see his motivation for the first point, and that makes me think he's lying about his wincon and thus his motivations. Vote: Pleo
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i agree with what in the world is the motivation. also, the timing was a touch offish. did he claim to distract or draw attention away from a much more high value scum target?
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Post by LightFoot on Mar 6, 2012 11:51:53 GMT -5
From what I can see, Pleo has a one shot Day kill; does this mean that he can only use this power once? That’s what it looks like to me. He also doesn’t have to actively kill a Town player, he only has to be on the wagon that does. It says in Pleos wincon that he can win with either scum or Town so why does he need to be killed? Unless he is pissed off with all this talk of having to kill him off. If he is being honest with us then I can’t see a downside to keeping him alive. Town needs all PFKs dead and Pleo is not a PFK. Only if you believe every detail of the posted PM I don't
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Mar 6, 2012 11:52:30 GMT -5
Aw hell, I've been arguing it so much, I've even convinced myself.
unvote Meeko vote Pleonast
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Post by special on Mar 6, 2012 11:53:46 GMT -5
If he's being honest
If he's being honest
If he's being honest.
Why are we even considering that?
Even if the odds are 70% that he's honest, it's still more likely than random that he's a better lynch.
And even in that 70% we have to take him at his word.
Here's my thoughts and maybe I'm being egocentric.
Pleo has been harping on me for sending a secret message. Most everyone agrees that is unlikely. But what if his harping on a secret message is a breadcrumb of some sort?
What if he needs Batman or someone to contact him. Is that enough of a breadcrumb to get noticed? I think so.
No, I don't trust his claim and I don't trust his actions.
I believe he should be lynched. I'm going to try and. Pre from my phone.
Vote: pleonast [\vote]
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Post by special on Mar 6, 2012 11:59:42 GMT -5
Which of these is more likely?
1. Scum would trust Pleo's claim 2. Town would trust Pleo's claim
Which of these is more likely?
3. Scum would want to keep Pleo alive 4. Town would want to keep Pleo alive?
And which of these?
5. I sound like an optometrist 6. I'm just making noise
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Post by Hal Briston on Mar 6, 2012 12:00:05 GMT -5
Hell yeah it was a big red button. And I'll hammer those fuckers any day of the week. Bring it up with the rest of the town first? Oh boy, four pages of yesnoyesnoyesno to sift through when in the end, no matter what, someone was going to pull the move I made. Fuck that -- push the button and see what happens (Five totally townie points to the first one who points out that “butbutbut maybe we’d have found scuuuuum by something said in those four pages!!!”). At least for me, it gives a read as to who might be using this as a scum opportunity to lynch someone they know isn't on their team. From a pure gut level, Silver Jan's responses have been pinging the hell out of me. They read as exactly as what I would expect to find from scum trying to railroad. But...it's still just a gut thing. What isn't a gut thing is... One of more of the Pleo voters are probably going to die with him. Total Ullz, do you really think that's the easy vote for scum? Wouldn't it be easier for scum to vote for Hal? As Ulla pointed out, that would require scum knowing I'm not on their team. Now how might he know that? Maybe it's just an innocent slip, but scum have been sussed out over less. Unvote Idle ThoughtsVote texcatAnd now that a lot more posts have come in since I started writing this, cripes, I think this rush to lynch Pleo is silly.
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Post by special on Mar 6, 2012 12:01:28 GMT -5
Can't edit from my phone
Can't see smileys from my phone
The try and. Pre
Should read
Try and vote
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Mar 6, 2012 12:04:17 GMT -5
Ed, two things:
First, I don't think anyone is really considering whether or not Pleonast is being honest. It really doesn't matter; honest or not, he's too dangerous to let live for very long.
I think it's simply a matter of whether or not we should vote to lynch him Today, or if by doing so we're setting ourselves up (individually) for a Day Kill.
Second, your formatting was off, so your vote likely doesn't count at this point.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Mar 6, 2012 12:08:06 GMT -5
Hell yeah it was a big red button. And I'll hammer those fuckers any day of the week. Bring it up with the rest of the town first? Oh boy, four pages of yesnoyesnoyesno to sift through when in the end, no matter what, someone was going to pull the move I made. Fuck that -- push the button and see what happens (Five totally townie points to the first one who points out that “butbutbut maybe we’d have found scuuuuum by something said in those four pages!!!”). At least for me, it gives a read as to who might be using this as a scum opportunity to lynch someone they know isn't on their team. From a pure gut level, Silver Jan's responses have been pinging the hell out of me. They read as exactly as what I would expect to find from scum trying to railroad. But...it's still just a gut thing. What isn't a gut thing is... One of more of the Pleo voters are probably going to die with him. Total Ullz, do you really think that's the easy vote for scum? Wouldn't it be easier for scum to vote for Hal? As Ulla pointed out, that would require scum knowing I'm not on their team. Now how might he know that? Maybe it's just an innocent slip, but scum have been sussed out over less. Unvote Idle ThoughtsVote texcatAnd now that a lot more posts have come in since I started writing this, cripes, I think this rush to lynch Pleo is silly. butbutbut maybe we’d have found scuuuuum by something said in those four pages!!! Cool! Only 20 more Totally Townie Points and I can get that stuffed monkey!!!
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Post by Hal Briston on Mar 6, 2012 12:11:41 GMT -5
Cool! Only 20 more Totally Townie Points and I can get that stuffed monkey!!! Wait...where'd you get the other 630 TT Points?
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Post by special on Mar 6, 2012 12:11:54 GMT -5
How about this
Vote: Pleonast [\b][\color]
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Post by storyteller0910 on Mar 6, 2012 12:14:23 GMT -5
Word of Mod: There are no stuffed monkeys in this game. Well, probably not.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Mar 6, 2012 12:15:01 GMT -5
I have been thinking about the Pleo situation, a lot, as most of us have. I am concerned about the proposed vig solution to the Pleo problem. If scum have a watcher, we've just outed our vig. Enough beating around the bush. I think we need to take out Pleo sooner rather than later. vote Pleonasttown could have a watcher too. could work both ways. it seems a Pleo lynch is happening. i doubt anyone is doing to say something stupid to paint a target on their back. do we see each other again on D2?
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Post by peekercpa on Mar 6, 2012 12:30:12 GMT -5
How about this Vote: Pleonast [\b][\color]0 for 2
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Post by peekercpa on Mar 6, 2012 12:31:01 GMT -5
neta: the dashes lean the other way. wink wink nod nod.
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Post by Pleonast on Mar 6, 2012 12:38:12 GMT -5
I was all excited to point out that our town win condition specifically says we have to remove third parties, but Nanook has beaten me to the punch. Maybe next time. Anyway, I'll gladly knock out a killing third party on Day 1, when we're likely to be lynching town otherwise. You might try reading the win conditions again. One of more of the Pleo voters are probably going to die with him. If I'm set to be lynched, I'll use my Day-kill where my instinct says it should go: Ed. (Let me check to see if they're voting for me. Nope. Oh wait, I see that they're trying.)
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Post by special on Mar 6, 2012 12:38:56 GMT -5
neta: the dashes lean the other way. wink wink nod nod. Ohhhh Damn school filters. This is NCLB testing week anyway for us. I see now the brackets are on the second page of the symbols and the slash is the one on the first page not the second. Vote: Pleonast
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Post by special on Mar 6, 2012 12:39:50 GMT -5
I was all excited to point out that our town win condition specifically says we have to remove third parties, but Nanook has beaten me to the punch. Maybe next time. Anyway, I'll gladly knock out a killing third party on Day 1, when we're likely to be lynching town otherwise. You might try reading the win conditions again. One of more of the Pleo voters are probably going to die with him. If I'm set to be lynched, I'll use my Day-kill where my instinct says it should go: Ed. (Let me check to see if they're voting for me. Nope. Oh wait, I see that they're trying.) At least if you're going to die, let me know if I guessed right about the secret message breadcrumb thing.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Mar 6, 2012 12:41:38 GMT -5
I'd be willing to donate all 630 of my TTPs to help Ed get a new phone with a better browser...who's with me?
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Post by special on Mar 6, 2012 12:44:50 GMT -5
I'd be willing to donate all 630 of my TTPs to help Ed get a new phone with a better browser...who's with me? Not a browser I use the pro boards app
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Post by sinjin on Mar 6, 2012 12:44:57 GMT -5
I have been thinking about the Pleo situation, a lot, as most of us have. I am concerned about the proposed vig solution to the Pleo problem. If scum have a watcher, we've just outed our vig. Enough beating around the bush. I think we need to take out Pleo sooner rather than later. vote Pleonastdo we see each other again on D2?
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Post by special on Mar 6, 2012 12:46:22 GMT -5
I really do want answers to my questions. Ok maybe not the optometrist one but the others
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Post by Hal Briston on Mar 6, 2012 12:48:26 GMT -5
Not a browser I use the pro boards app Yeah, but that costs $2.99, which is equal to more than 135,000,000 TTP's.
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Post by special on Mar 6, 2012 12:50:24 GMT -5
I suppose if Pleo is going to kill me, I should tell you this. My generic wasn't"special" like some people would think it should be.
My generic is "jack of all trades"
Unfortunately Day Protection isn't one of my trades. So really that's not fair. I should be "jack of some trades" or "jack of a goodly number of trades"
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Post by special on Mar 6, 2012 12:51:30 GMT -5
My kids get me iTunes cards for Christmas. I gt nothing better to spend them on
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Post by Hal Briston on Mar 6, 2012 12:53:02 GMT -5
My generic is "jack of all trades" Oh look...another Generic claim going against what the mod said in the setup.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Mar 6, 2012 12:53:34 GMT -5
I'd be willing to donate all 630 of my TTPs to help Ed get a new phone with a better browser...who's with me? Not a browser I use the pro boards app Yes, I see you do. In that case, thanks...you've saved me $2.99. I really do want answers to my questions. Ok maybe not the optometrist one but the others Which questions are those? If you're talking about these questions... Which of these is more likely? 1. Scum would trust Pleo's claim 2. Town would trust Pleo's claim Which of these is more likely? 3. Scum would want to keep Pleo alive 4. Town would want to keep Pleo alive? And which of these? 5. I sound like an optometrist 6. I'm just making noise My answers are: Neither; nobody in their right mind would trust Pleo at this point. Scum would be more likely to want him kept alive, because anything keeping Town talking about something other than Scum is a 'good thing' for them. You sound like a noisy optometrist Actually, oddly enough I don't find you terribly suspicious in this game. Which, oddly enough, makes me somewhat suspicious...
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