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Post by Pollux Oil on Mar 7, 2012 14:02:16 GMT -5
You know, for someone who said he wanted to work with town, you sure as fuck aren't acting very cooperative. He doesn't have to be cooperative. He has the power, and he's not town-aligned. He's playing for himself which means he can do whatever the hell he wants with his powers. His "negotiations" are simply "I'm going to do this. You either accept it or I kill Ed." Right now, 10 people have decided Ed is an acceptable casualty to Pleo's machinations. You know, after reading what I wrote....I have to disagree with myself. Resolving our top 2 lynch candidates is a good thing. The only drawback is potentially creating 2 claims and a last minute vote change rush Keep in mind, Pleo had his caveat of he'll kill the second-highest lynch leader at the latest he's available at the board. If there's a last-minute rush and vote switching, Pleo could conceivably kill off a claimed Cop or what-not and just be all "oops, well I wasn't around to switch my kill choice."
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Post by LightFoot on Mar 7, 2012 14:08:08 GMT -5
@ Pollux I see now. Your qualifier is IF we lynch him toDay. And his target is Town ( I separated the two paragraphs) And that has a truth.
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Post by special on Mar 7, 2012 14:17:56 GMT -5
Unvote: Pleonast Vote: texcat
Did I do that correctly?
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Post by astralrejection on Mar 7, 2012 14:18:02 GMT -5
Just checking in, I'd like to reiterate what I said in the sign-up thread: it's very hard for me to play while at work, and I had to work late last night. I try to read along when I can on my phone, but it's tough to compose posts here. No hard feelings, pizza. I have no issue with your motivation. I'm not working late tonight, so I'll have something more substantial later. I approve of the TexCat vote, who (on a gut level) has moved up to #2 on my list. I'd still prefer to see Pleo lynched first. I'll substantiate my position later. (for those curious, I work in tv as a shooter/editor/producer. Tough to play mafia while working on a show! )
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Post by Dirx on Mar 7, 2012 14:23:47 GMT -5
You know, for someone who said he wanted to work with town, you sure as fuck aren't acting very cooperative. He doesn't have to be cooperative. He has the power, and he's not town-aligned. He's playing for himself which means he can do whatever the hell he wants with his powers. His "negotiations" are simply "I'm going to do this. You either accept it or I kill Ed." Right now, 10 people have decided Ed is an acceptable casualty to Pleo's machinations. That's the point, though. He may be self aligned, but he still wants to win, and he can't win if we lynch him Today. He now has to rely on us to allow him to reach his wincon. If he wants us to cut him some slack and let him live a little longer, he's going to have to give a little more in his "negotiations."
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Post by Total Ullz on Mar 7, 2012 14:31:16 GMT -5
Crap! She meant "come to A dark side"!!!!!!! I think my pointing out past memes is turning out to be quite a debacle. That was even epic
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Post by storyteller0910 on Mar 7, 2012 14:52:56 GMT -5
It seems to me that more frequent vote counts would probably be a good thing as we near end of Day. I'll try to do one more tonight and then every two hours or so toMorrow.
VOTE COUNT - OFFICIAL - WEDNESDAY PM (II)
Pleonast (9 votes) - Cookies (357), Nanook (359), texcat (382), astralrejection (407), SBrOwn (419), Gadarene (436), sinjin (448), BillMc (449), Suburban Plankton (455)
texcat (5 votes) - Total Ullz (411), Hal Briston (458), Drain Bead (501), scathach (621), Special Ed (692)
Hal Briston (4 votes) - Pollux Oil (271), Lightfoot (283), Silver Jan (300), Meeko (345)
Mahaloth (1 vote) - Inner Stickler (11)
Chronos (1 vote) - peekercpa (87)
Drain Bead (1 vote) - guiri (140)
Rysto (1 vote) - Mahaloth (196)
Special Ed (1 vote) - Pleonast (237)
Gadarene (1 vote) - Chronos (406)
Cookies (1 vote) – gnarlycharly (432)
astral rejection (1 vote) - askthepizzaguy (659)
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Day Ends - Thursday, March 8, @5:00PM EST
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Mar 7, 2012 15:21:43 GMT -5
He doesn't have to be cooperative. He has the power, and he's not town-aligned. He's playing for himself which means he can do whatever the hell he wants with his powers. His "negotiations" are simply "I'm going to do this. You either accept it or I kill Ed." Right now, 10 people have decided Ed is an acceptable casualty to Pleo's machinations. So we should give in to his demands and lynch someone else instead, say texcat? And we'd better make sure that someone else gets some votes too, so that Pleo doesn't wind up in second place, because he's not going to Day kill himself. Exactly how much vote manipulation should we do just because Pleonast wants to play hardball?
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Post by special on Mar 7, 2012 15:26:14 GMT -5
He doesn't have to be cooperative. He has the power, and he's not town-aligned. He's playing for himself which means he can do whatever the hell he wants with his powers. His "negotiations" are simply "I'm going to do this. You either accept it or I kill Ed." Right now, 10 people have decided Ed is an acceptable casualty to Pleo's machinations. So we should give in to his demands and lynch someone else instead, say texcat? And we'd better make sure that someone else gets some votes too, so that Pleo doesn't wind up in second place, because he's not going to Day kill himself. Exactly how much vote manipulation should we do just because Pleonast wants to play hardball? If we can make him useful to us while giving in to his demands, it makes sense to do so. If the point comes where he isn't useful to us or his demands don't fit with our goals, then we eliminate him. For now, his demands actually do fit in with our goals. Even if his approach by making demands is somewhat repulsive.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Mar 7, 2012 15:39:24 GMT -5
I admire his balls. They're going to get chopped the off, but for now, they're very pretty. ;D Quite masculine and furry, oh my yes. They will make delightful Christmas tree ornaments.
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Post by Total Ullz on Mar 7, 2012 15:51:03 GMT -5
I admire his balls. They're going to get chopped the off, but for now, they're very pretty. ;D Quite masculine and furry, oh my yes. They will make delightful Christmas tree ornaments. I'd like to nominate this the post of the Day. I'm not voting Pleo for a number of reasons. But I think it would be a good thing for Town, if we keep him around for at least toMorrow. That being said - in the end it's up to the voters to unvote. I can agree or disagree with them. But their vote is theirs to cast.
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Post by LightFoot on Mar 7, 2012 15:53:11 GMT -5
I admire his balls. They're going to get chopped the off, but for now, they're very pretty. ;D Quite masculine and furry, oh my yes. They will make delightful Christmas tree ornaments. I'd like to nominate this the post of the Day. I'm not voting Pleo for a number of reasons. But I think it would be a good thing for Town, if we keep him around for at least toMorrow. That being said - in the end it's up to the voters to unvote. I can agree or disagree with them. But their vote is theirs to cast. I would nominate this post and the post it quotes. well met both
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Post by Mahaloth on Mar 7, 2012 15:54:48 GMT -5
I am fixing my coding error from earlier.
Unvote Rysto
Vote Texcat
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Post by Drain Bead on Mar 7, 2012 15:56:58 GMT -5
In partial answer your other question, Pizza, who would I be looking at if I weren't convinced that Pleo needs to die and die sooner rather than later? I would take another look at Sinjin. Why did she assume this was some PIS? Is she so sure of Hal's alignment? I would take another look at DrainBead for not voting Sinjin on this alone. I would take another look at the bandwagon voters on me. And I still have this note to myself to look at the Hal voters. If we used Pleonast style multivoting in this game, I'd have voted sinjin too. But sinjin being Scummy for being the first to point it out but not voting you for it doesn't mean that you're not also Scum, and I find the case compelling, especially given your propensity for talking out of both sides of your mouth this game. Trust me, I'll be keeping an eye on sinjin too.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Mar 7, 2012 16:10:06 GMT -5
I'm not voting Pleo for a number of reasons. But I think it would be a good thing for Town, if we keep him around for at least toMorrow. That being said - in the end it's up to the voters to unvote. I can agree or disagree with them. But their vote is theirs to cast. If the Day were to end with the votes as they are now, we would lynch Pleo, and he would kill Ed. The alternative at this point seems to be to vote for texcat and Hal so that they finish 1 & 2. So, do we draw lots to see who votes for whom? What if Pleo still winds up in second place? Is he going to kill the third-place vote getter? That doesn't seem particularly 'Pro-Town' to me. Is he going to kill someone of his own choosing, because we failed to uphold the deal on a technicality? I'd like to point out that Pleonast has picked up more than 25% of the available votes Today, leaving him free to use his 'Paranoia' ability on himself, and to use that for a kill Today. That would leave the 'Killing Joke' available for Tomorrow.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Mar 7, 2012 16:12:06 GMT -5
Oh, and I find it incredibly, incredibly, lame that Stickler has kept the joke vote on me, having slapped together a quick little list of other stuff to justify not removing what was obviously just a goofy, fun vote. *shrug* Don't vote people for simply suggesting things, then. However, given the circumstances, I'd rather texcat die. Unvote: Mahaloth Vote: texcat Here you go, Ulla.
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Post by sinjin on Mar 7, 2012 16:16:30 GMT -5
In partial answer your other question, Pizza, who would I be looking at if I weren't convinced that Pleo needs to die and die sooner rather than later? I would take another look at Sinjin. Why did she assume this was some PIS? Is she so sure of Hal's alignment? I would take another look at DrainBead for not voting Sinjin on this alone. I would take another look at the bandwagon voters on me. And I still have this note to myself to look at the Hal voters. If we used Pleonast style multivoting in this game, I'd have voted sinjin too. But sinjin being Scummy for being the first to point it out but not voting you for it doesn't mean that you're not also Scum, and I find the case compelling, especially given your propensity for talking out of both sides of your mouth this game. Trust me, I'll be keeping an eye on sinjin too. Yes but we are not using the Pleonast style of multivoting in this game are we? I was going back and forth between texcat and Pleo and went with the one I knew was non-town. And BTW if you were reading carefully you would have noted that Ullz and I essentially simoul-posted the same thing about text-cat with Ullz beating me by 2 minutes. She did not vote at the time of her original post either. Why are you not questioning her? Given Pleo's last antagonistic post I am no longer willing to remove my vote from him. He has shown NO willingness to negotiate with town, he has only issued ultimatums. That is not pro-town.
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Post by Total Ullz on Mar 7, 2012 16:22:57 GMT -5
Thanks!! That was so sweet of you!!!
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Post by Total Ullz on Mar 7, 2012 16:25:13 GMT -5
Yes but we are not using the Pleonast style of multivoting in this game are we? I was going back and forth between texcat and Pleo and went with the one I knew was non-town. And BTW if you were reading carefully you would have noted that Ullz and I essentially simoul-posted the same thing about text-cat with Ullz beating me by 2 minutes. She did not vote at the time of her original post either. Why are you not questioning her? I think my vote was already on TexCat at that time. I voted her based on her washy (IMO) Pleo-vote.
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Post by sinjin on Mar 7, 2012 16:35:32 GMT -5
Yes but we are not using the Pleonast style of multivoting in this game are we? I was going back and forth between texcat and Pleo and went with the one I knew was non-town. And BTW if you were reading carefully you would have noted that Ullz and I essentially simoul-posted the same thing about text-cat with Ullz beating me by 2 minutes. She did not vote at the time of her original post either. Why are you not questioning her? I think my vote was already on TexCat at that time. I voted her based on her washy (IMO) Pleo-vote. You are correct, I mis-remembered when you voted for TexCat. So I take back that bit of my previous post.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Mar 7, 2012 17:11:22 GMT -5
Evening folks.
For those of you who don't remember my schedule, I work (on a voluntary basis) two days per week, which happen to be Tuesday and Wednesday. Personal internet use during working hours is against office policy, so I don't (I have to set an example. Dratted responsibilities.)
So I'm playing catchup in the evenings, which got interfered with by a nasty headache that I stupidly tried to fight instead of sleep off. Consrequently I need to reread before saying very much.
On Chronos's claim.
If I understand it, he knows who Sir-Not-Appearing-In-This-Game actually is, and he wants us to post an acrostic derived from our role PM. I'm not sure what I think of the idea; I tend to dislike handshaking on principle, and this feels a lot like handshaking to me.
I'm going to take the Pollux approach; post one and ignore anyone else's.
SlaagttIdtsoGwgsig
I need to reread the thread. Fortunately we have 24 hours to go (just under). That should give me time to compile my vote tracking spreadsheet, react to some of the lower-key events and vote.
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Post by Meeko on Mar 7, 2012 17:19:51 GMT -5
Did we adequately addresss this one? I have been thinking about the Pleo situation, a lot, as most of us have. I am concerned about the proposed vig solution to the Pleo problem. If scum have a watcher, we've just outed our vig. Enough beating around the bush. I think we need to take out Pleo sooner rather than later. vote Pleonasttown could have a watcher too. could work both ways. it seems a Pleo lynch is happening. i doubt anyone is doing to say something stupid to paint a target on their back. do we see each other again on D2? Sinjin, IIRC commented on this one with a few smileys. I'm not sure what to make of any of it.
This one pings me. Pinged me at Work even. [[That is, it has that X-tra sticking power, now with 87% more Pingy flavorings.]]
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Post by Meeko on Mar 7, 2012 17:27:08 GMT -5
NETA : "" Pinged me at Work "" should be taken to mean "While I had some downtime at work, I was thinking about the game. What was that one post I saw with the confusing D2 and the smileys? I will have to go look at that once I get home."
I wonder if this isn't a slip.
I wonder if I'm not misreading it.
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Post by scáthach on Mar 7, 2012 18:05:55 GMT -5
Did we adequately addresss this one? town could have a watcher too. could work both ways. it seems a Pleo lynch is happening. i doubt anyone is doing to say something stupid to paint a target on their back. do we see each other again on D2? Sinjin, IIRC commented on this one with a few smileys. I'm not sure what to make of any of it.
This one pings me. Pinged me at Work even. [[That is, it has that X-tra sticking power, now with 87% more Pingy flavorings.]] That does read very oddly now you point it out.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 7, 2012 18:07:57 GMT -5
MHaye: I'd re-read Chronos' magic bag post. I believe the commonly held interpretation is that he is aware of a role/name/character who is not in the game, and does not know which roles have been assigned to any players, other than his own of course. My vote is staying on Pleo. I don't negotiate with terrorists. I do think it behooves us to negotiate amongst those who think Pleo should be lynched today (assuming we remain the voting majority) how many of us should be voting for Pleo in order to secure that fate, and how many of us who are willing to change our votes to try and put the best scum candidate into 2nd place. My opinion on who that 2nd place person should be i.e. the person I suspect the most at this point other than Pleo, it would probably be Hal. I don't like the red-button pushing and don't think the compulsion to just push buttons is an excuse. I also think he was a bit to quick to be assuming that Chronos was telling the truth and suggest that any protective town roles in the game to extend Chronos protective services. Texcat is always a tough read for me, especially early with few datapoints.
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Post by special on Mar 7, 2012 18:08:05 GMT -5
Did we adequately addresss this one? Sinjin, IIRC commented on this one with a few smileys. I'm not sure what to make of any of it.
This one pings me. Pinged me at Work even. [[That is, it has that X-tra sticking power, now with 87% more Pingy flavorings.]] That does read very oddly now you point it out. you don't think the comment "Do we see each other again on D2?" is odd?
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Post by LightFoot on Mar 7, 2012 18:14:45 GMT -5
That does read very oddly now you point it out. you don't think the comment "Do we see each other again on D2?" is odd? Are you playing confuse-a-cat? That's exactly what the conversation IS about.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Mar 7, 2012 18:16:31 GMT -5
My vote is staying on Pleo. I don't negotiate with terrorists. I do think it behooves us to negotiate amongst those who think Pleo should be lynched today (assuming we remain the voting majority) how many of us should be voting for Pleo in order to secure that fate, and how many of us who are willing to change our votes to try and put the best scum candidate into 2nd place. Maybe I'm not quite understanding you here...why do we need to negotiate on who should finish second in the voting? If Pleo is lynched Today, he is not going to use his Day Kill on the 2nd place person; he's going to use it on Ed (or so he has told us). I have no problem with discussing who our 'second choices' are, but I don't see any reason for anyone to unvote in order to manipulate the 2nd place result.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 7, 2012 18:27:16 GMT -5
You're right, it doesn't make sense. I had his terms flipped around.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Mar 7, 2012 18:30:41 GMT -5
Regarding the "do we see each other again on D2?" post; here is the original post that gnarlycharlie made: I have been thinking about the Pleo situation, a lot, as most of us have. I am concerned about the proposed vig solution to the Pleo problem. If scum have a watcher, we've just outed our vig. Enough beating around the bush. I think we need to take out Pleo sooner rather than later. vote Pleonasttown could have a watcher too. could work both ways. it seems a Pleo lynch is happening. i doubt anyone is doing to say something stupid to paint a target on their back. do we see each other again on D2? Is the theory floating around not what gnarly forgot what forum he was posting in, and said something directed to one of his Scum-buddies? If that's the theory, then that puts suspicion also on sinjin, to whom he was speaking here. sinjin was the only person to comment on this at the time, with his reply of " ". gnarly never responded to clarify his original statement, and I think it then went unnoticed until Meeko just brought it up again. So, was sinjin's post the honest reply of a confused Townie, or was it a quick bussing in an attempt to distance himself from a mistake by gnarly? I have to admit that I thought gnarly's post was a bit odd at the time, but I quickly forgot about it as I was more interested in Ed's JOaT claim, PM-verbiage issues, and arguing with Pleo.
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