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Mar 31, 2010 19:14:02 GMT -5
Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Mar 31, 2010 19:14:02 GMT -5
Was Vince McMahon ever a face? This game could be like Batman, in that the good guys are the scum, but that seems like it'd work much more poorly when there aren't fixed sides, and the game is as unknown as this. This is a curious question. Like I said, I'm a face-character, and a Townie. Is your character a heel? Are you softclaiming Vince McMahon here?
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Mar 31, 2010 19:59:23 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Mar 31, 2010 19:59:23 GMT -5
Okay, the Day is ending Monday instead.
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Mar 31, 2010 21:32:57 GMT -5
Post by fisheroo on Mar 31, 2010 21:32:57 GMT -5
Cool, I'm kinda swamped right now, but I'll be able to participate more later this week/weekend.
Nice to recognize some familiar names here.
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Apr 1, 2010 1:36:21 GMT -5
Post by Darth Sensitive on Apr 1, 2010 1:36:21 GMT -5
Was Vince McMahon ever a face? This game could be like Batman, in that the good guys are the scum, but that seems like it'd work much more poorly when there aren't fixed sides, and the game is as unknown as this. This is a curious question. Like I said, I'm a face-character, and a Townie. Is your character a heel? Are you softclaiming Vince McMahon here? Nope. Not McMahon - just had the thought and felt like asking those who may be more up on their wrasslin. I'm a townie whose guy has spent times on both sides of the line - currently a face to the best of what I can tell.
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Apr 1, 2010 1:43:16 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on Apr 1, 2010 1:43:16 GMT -5
Put me down in the WTF camp for the unprovoked vanilla claim from Pleo.
I personally see it as anti-town. If you ARE town, you just cut down the unknown pool, thus increasing scum chances of scoring a power role kill.
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Apr 1, 2010 1:57:39 GMT -5
Post by Darth Sensitive on Apr 1, 2010 1:57:39 GMT -5
He just WIFOMed us all, in probably the most annoying way possible.
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Apr 1, 2010 4:08:55 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on Apr 1, 2010 4:08:55 GMT -5
This is a curious question. Like I said, I'm a face-character, and a Townie. Is your character a heel? Are you softclaiming Vince McMahon here? Nope. Not McMahon - just had the thought and felt like asking those who may be more up on their wrasslin. I'm a townie whose guy has spent times on both sides of the line - currently a face to the best of what I can tell. Vote Darth SensitiveI'm pretty damn sure I'm a face, because it says so right in my role pm. Sounds like that particular line is missing from yours.....
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Apr 1, 2010 4:09:40 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on Apr 1, 2010 4:09:40 GMT -5
NETA
....mumble.... damn colour....mumble vote Darth Sensitive
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Apr 1, 2010 4:18:17 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on Apr 1, 2010 4:18:17 GMT -5
Just read through again. It seems to me that Darth ios using te term "face" to mean something like headliner.
This really does seem to indicate to me that his role pm is missing the relevant line, i.e. he is not town.
Huge slip here I believe.
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Apr 1, 2010 7:14:15 GMT -5
Post by special on Apr 1, 2010 7:14:15 GMT -5
Just read through again. It seems to me that Darth ios using te term "face" to mean something like headliner. This really does seem to indicate to me that his role pm is missing the relevant line, i.e. he is not town. Huge slip here I believe. This would be great, except, if you read the thread, you'll see that everyone was discussing how many wrestlers have spent time as either a 'face' good guy or a 'heel' bad guy. We were discussing it as to how names really won't indicate alignment.
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Apr 1, 2010 7:19:52 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on Apr 1, 2010 7:19:52 GMT -5
I may have gotten myself in a mix due to unfamiliarity with irl wwe.
will read through again
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Apr 1, 2010 7:26:09 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on Apr 1, 2010 7:26:09 GMT -5
OK. are heel and face terms commonly used within WWE, not just within this game?
If that is the case this thread is going to be a bitch for me to follow.
unvote
for now.
Please people, make it very clear to distinguish when you are talking about you in the game, and the irl character.
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Apr 1, 2010 7:26:42 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on Apr 1, 2010 7:26:42 GMT -5
sigh
unvote
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Apr 1, 2010 10:07:24 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Apr 1, 2010 10:07:24 GMT -5
I am in the same boat as you lubv, I haven't followed Pro wrestling since the very early 90s, most of what I know about it comes from having watched the movie "the wrestler" which I don't think is going to really help out here.
It seems from the above discussion that a name claim probably won't net us any information, but will likely not key in the scum to any power roles either. Do we all want to just name claim to get it out of the way and take it off the table? It worked well in random mafia on the sdmb.
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Apr 1, 2010 10:51:16 GMT -5
Post by Darth Sensitive on Apr 1, 2010 10:51:16 GMT -5
OK. are heel and face terms commonly used within WWE, not just within this game? Yep. Heel. In ring villain. The guy you have a whole lot of fun booing. Cheats and all that jazz. (Baby)Face. In ring good guy.
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Apr 1, 2010 11:03:25 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Apr 1, 2010 11:03:25 GMT -5
Here are my general Mafia philosophy statements.
Any thing I say or do in Mafia game I do because I believe it is pro-town. Other players should do the same. Players who do anti-town things need to be lynched (or vig'd), because all townies should be helping the town and so only scum should be doing anti-town things. There will be disagreements on what constitutes anti-town, but that's why we vote.
Everything else follows from this.
I think liars should be lynched unless they can make a strong argument as to why they shouldn't be. Any townie who lies must be prepared to be lynched for it. Lies of omission are also worth lynching over, but are generally easier to justify.
I also think that non-participants should be lynched if there are no other likely candidates. Mafia games require participation to work and the town needs participation. Avoiding scrutiny by avoiding participating is anti-town and should be punished. Vigilantes are especially good at taking out non-participants, but the town needs to be prepared to act if the vig can't or doesn't.
Players who investigate as scum need to be lynched, sooner or later.
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Apr 1, 2010 11:03:42 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Apr 1, 2010 11:03:42 GMT -5
Everything I know about wrestling, I learned from watching The Princess Bride.
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Apr 1, 2010 11:03:57 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Apr 1, 2010 11:03:57 GMT -5
No idea why you're both not seeing the countdown. I see it. Yes it's above the OP. For what it's worth, the "banners" on this site have never worked for me. Keep that in mind if you put game-related info there.
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Apr 1, 2010 12:07:58 GMT -5
Post by special on Apr 1, 2010 12:07:58 GMT -5
He just WIFOMed us all, in probably the most annoying way possible. The problem with the WiFoM is, if the time to claim ever occurs, who is going to believe him? So, maybe he's WiFoMing the Scum
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Apr 1, 2010 13:01:57 GMT -5
Post by Darth Sensitive on Apr 1, 2010 13:01:57 GMT -5
If he comes out with detective results or a mason partner, I'd likely believe him. Yes, it's a lie, but the kind of lie that doesn't make me feel like OMGMUSTLYNCHLIAR. We'll have to be somewhat dubious, but not really much more so than before.
The scum have definitely been WIFOMed, unless he is scum, in which case the only uncertainty is with the town. If he's town, he WIFOMed everyone, but scum would be more affected, since scum has to decide what needs to be done about it.
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Apr 1, 2010 13:03:42 GMT -5
Post by special on Apr 1, 2010 13:03:42 GMT -5
If he comes out with detective results or a mason partner, I'd likely believe him. Yes, it's a lie, but the kind of lie that doesn't make me feel like OMGMUSTLYNCHLIAR. We'll have to be somewhat dubious, but not really much more so than before. The scum have definitely been WIFOMed, unless he is scum, in which case the only uncertainty is with the town. If he's town, he WIFOMed everyone, but scum would be more affected, since scum has to decide what needs to be done about it. So, basically, it's about the same as if he'd said nothing....
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Apr 1, 2010 14:01:03 GMT -5
Post by Darth Sensitive on Apr 1, 2010 14:01:03 GMT -5
Yes. Because there's no point in me taking him at face value. Though I can't automatically decide he's lying either. If we have a thought experiment where every player in this game claims to be vanilla town, some will certainly be lying, but it won't increase our knowledge of the game. Same happens with just one person doing so. However, I'm mildly annoyed by it as a tactic, and I'm town. Ergo, it's anti-town!
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Apr 1, 2010 14:08:58 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Apr 1, 2010 14:08:58 GMT -5
So here is my impression of what Pleo appears to have put on our plate in chronological order.
1)He's vanilla town and hasn't been vanilla town very often in his personal Mafia history as a player. 2)Everything he does he tries to do for 'pro-town' reasons, and anyone who does 'anti-town' things should be lynched. 3)'pro-town' and 'anti-town' are subjective and debatable. 4)Liars should be lynched unless they can talk themselves out of it.
Implying (assuming he's Town):
a) He has a pro-town reason for honestly claiming vanilla and decreasing the pool in which power roles can hide.
b) He has a pro-town reason for lying about being vanilla, and that reason may or may not infer that he thinks he will be able to talk us out of lynching him should that lie be exposed, or by the time the lie is exposed he would consider himself sacrificial for the good of the Town.
Implying (assuming he's not Town)
A long list of things including...
I) Trying to draw "scum would never do that" perceptions. II) Trying to draw actions from whatever town power roles we have. III) Trying to draw a lynch. IV) Trying to fuck with our heads randomly.
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Apr 1, 2010 17:02:59 GMT -5
Post by shaggy on Apr 1, 2010 17:02:59 GMT -5
Hey everyone,
Well I have also have not watched much wrestling since the early 1990's. It is why I probably would not have a clue who most of the names are in the game.
Personally I kinda thought at first Pleo was making a joke. Since it just seemed odd to do such a thing other wise. But if he was in fact making a claim then yes it is odd and very strange.
When it comes to some of the other things. I am more inclined to look at what you do post then what you do not. So instead of generic lynch the lurker for not posting much, for me I look at when you do post, is it anything really.
Similar to lynch all liars I think you really should not lie but at the same time each case need to be judged on it's own merit and not by a preset conclusion.
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Apr 2, 2010 8:37:41 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Apr 2, 2010 8:37:41 GMT -5
Everything I know about wrestling, I learned from watching The Princess Bride. So you are an authority on it then! Yeah, I guess the last time I watched american wrestling was the late eighties/early nineties - hulk hogan, randy savage etc. Before that it was good ole british wrestling, Big Daddy, Giant Haystacks etc So if we follow the usual wrestling "rules" - then the whole thing is fixed before we begin :-) Dunno what to make of Pleo's vanilla claim - isn't that Idle's usual opening gambit when he is playing?
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Apr 2, 2010 11:15:23 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Apr 2, 2010 11:15:23 GMT -5
Let's look at participation levels: 1. Cookies 5 2. peekercpa 1 3. Nanook 1 4. BillMc 2 5. Luv 7 6. CoyoteSister 1 7. Dorian 8 8. Darth 9 9. Boozy 3 10. Shaggy 1 11. Clockwork 0 12. Special Ed 4 13. Nanook 1 14. Pleonast 4 15. Fisheroo 1 16. NAF 4
That's 7 out of 16 players with one or fewer posts. You're not all scum, so could the townies in there please help us out and participate?
Simply as a poke, I'm going to vote Clockwork
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Apr 2, 2010 13:07:20 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Apr 2, 2010 13:07:20 GMT -5
Wow, that's a frightening list. I have hardly been able to pay attention to the game this week and I am in the middle of the posting pack.
Pleo, I have to ask since we have all been talking about it but you haven't addressed it that I can see...why that vanilla claim?
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Apr 2, 2010 13:25:31 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Apr 2, 2010 13:25:31 GMT -5
Pleo, I have to ask since we have all been talking about it but you haven't addressed it that I can see...why that vanilla claim? I implicitly answered it here: Any thing I say or do in Mafia game I do because I believe it is pro-town. I will say more when it becomes advantageous to do so.
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Apr 2, 2010 13:50:05 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Apr 2, 2010 13:50:05 GMT -5
I thought that was going to be your answer, but I wanted to be sure.
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Apr 2, 2010 13:54:00 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Apr 2, 2010 13:54:00 GMT -5
Ok, so I want to get a vote on the table before my office closes for the day (in ten minutes) and I spend the weekend doing family stuff and not playing mafia. It's shameful that right now the vote leader is Clockwork with Pleo's single vote.
Vote: Peeker
Why? For the same reason Pleo voted Clockwork but with the caveat that I think voting for Peek is more likely to net us scum since it is way out of character for Peek to post so little to a game when he is town.
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