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Day 2
Sept 19, 2010 23:16:14 GMT -5
Post by timmy on Sept 19, 2010 23:16:14 GMT -5
Assuming it was a voluntary action... Could have been a townie, with the intent of blocking your compulsive kill, as well as the scum kill and any other potential shenanigans performed by them or other anti-town parties. Could also have been scum, with the intent of keeping us in a pseudo-Day-1 state, or, as mentioned already, in case one of them had gained a bit of heat, and they were worried a vig or cop would target them. But it's hard to believe scum would forfeit their kill and any actions on Night 1 (though it's possible that the mass roleblock only affected non-scum actions, and any non-killing actions they had still went through, but that also doesn't seem very likely. Seems rather potentially powerful). But it may be worth looking into who earned what amount of suspicion Yesterday, in case the roleblock was a scum defensive tactic. Without looking back yet, I don't feel like anyone got enough heat Yesterday to warrant a mass-roleblock. Maybe Iskaral, idunno. If it is the case, I would assume that the scum in question is worth a lot to the scum team, because I'd expect this mass-roleblock to be a one-shot or otherwise limited use. Or it could have been a 3rd party/PFK, with the intent of god knows what. I'm leaning towards town, unless someone can suggest a better reason for scum to pull this kind of stunt right now. Some good points you raised there. As I recall--- and keep in mind I can't remember specifics--- Blockey's previous game had roles with unique designs, not like a regular Mafia game. I would not be surprised to learn that a 3rd party role might have a power that allows them to stop time, or roll back the clock. I don't think this would be a good role for either Town or Scum to have, since it would cancel Night actions. Unless it is a compulsory role that a Scum or Town had to use, once, and they chose to use it on the first Night. Rather use it and get it over than waiting and having to use it when their side really needed a Night action.
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Day 2
Sept 19, 2010 23:53:55 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Sept 19, 2010 23:53:55 GMT -5
Furthermore, either the Doctor did not protect anyone, or else we have a third RB. Also, there are no trackers (or at least none that used their abilities) unless there are 4 or more RB. I follow your various deductions except this one. With a precedent of a passive mass role-block upon a certain role being targeted for a kill in the Halloween Mafia lexicon, Occam's Razor would seem to favor something like that happening so early and for reasons that are difficult to imagine. If Mr. Puffy is to be believed, he knows the identity of at least one person who was targeted for a kill last night. This is not a request for that information, at least not yet, nor is it a request for any holder of a hypothetical mass-roleblock power to claim having let off an EMP last night. But in the absence of the usual intel brought about by death and power interactions, such information coming forward may provide what little context can be harvested from last Night. I'm not sure if you're asking for clarification about what I meant or not, but I'll give it anyway...I was trying to say that if we were to assume this was not a mass roleblock, then we would need to have at least 3 individual role blockers (one for me, one for scum and one for doc), and probably more (assuming there is at least one detective role), and that they all would have had to pick the "correct" targets. I think we are in agreement that the far more likely scenario is that there was a mass roleblock, and I think it's probable that it was passive. I can't see what anyone would gain from intentionally taking such an action on Night 1. Whatever suspicions people had at the end of Day 1, those are now simply going to carry over to Day 2, so nobody would have bought themselves anything but more time. It's possible that someone could have done just this to in effect 'delay' the game by a day in order to garner support for some cause, but I don't see anything from Yesterday's posts that leads me in that direction. Again, applying Occam's Razor indicates that this was a passively triggered action. So there are likely two people who could have caused this action. Possibly there is only one (if Scum and I targeted the same person), and possibly three (if we also have a SK), but odds are there are two. One of these people is definitely non-Scum; the other could be any alignment. I know the identity of one of these people, but I don't see any usefulness in revealing it at this point. Since all roles were blocked last night, there is no possibility of a Watcher being able to confirm my information. Revealing my target would do nothing more than reveal which person I felt would server the most usefulness by being dead. And since neither my alignment nor my scum-hunting skills are proven, that amounts to nothing more than a hunch. If someone has a good argument why I, or anyone else, should reveal the details of their attempted actions last Night, then I will certainly reconsider.
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Day 2
Sept 20, 2010 0:56:32 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 20, 2010 0:56:32 GMT -5
Puffdaddy: The way you phrased the quote above seemed to omit a self-protecting Doc, but I get the gist of what you are saying.
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Day 2
Sept 20, 2010 2:57:08 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Sept 20, 2010 2:57:08 GMT -5
Looks like some kind of mass roleblock, then? The only other time I saw one was in the Batman game, and I believe that was a one-shot. Very interesting. The mazalan game had something similar as well. Town motivation for using a mass block...well it keeps folk alive, but would prevent any investigator(s) gaining any information. Scum motivation for using a mass block...possibly that they would be targeted by the marshmallow or that they had attracted too much attention on day 1 and would be a target for an investigator. so a bit of a null tell overall If remember correct we had that role in "The Nameless" and it was given to a 3rd party. Yesterday we discussed the idea of the vig taking out low posters and I could see a low poster with that kind of power and playing to stay alive using it. That would make sense to me, at least.
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Sept 20, 2010 3:18:26 GMT -5
Post by septimus on Sept 20, 2010 3:18:26 GMT -5
I was expecting some players to get new posting restrictions, or for old restrictions to be rescinded. Did anyone get any PM's at all? If not, it makes me wonder if the mass role-blocker was able to block the moderator's powers as well as players' powers.
In addition to Mister Blockey, Merestil Haye and Pollux Oil have been participating as moderators. I wonder if the 25 of us are just pawns in a meta-Mafia game being played by these three. I'd suggest lynching the Moderators before going after scum, but they probably have immunity. ;D
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Sept 20, 2010 3:25:33 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Sept 20, 2010 3:25:33 GMT -5
I was expecting some players to get new posting restrictions, or for old restrictions to be rescinded. Did anyone get any PM's at all? If not, it makes me wonder if the mass role-blocker was able to block the moderator's powers as well as players' powers. In addition to Mister Blockey, Merestil Haye and Pollux Oil have been participating as moderators. I wonder if the 25 of us are just pawns in a meta-Mafia game being played by these three. I'd suggest lynching the Moderators before going after scum, but they probably have immunity. ;D That is one cool idea. A moderator-mafia-game
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Sept 20, 2010 8:12:58 GMT -5
Post by timmy on Sept 20, 2010 8:12:58 GMT -5
Puffdaddy: The way you phrased the quote above seemed to omit a self-protecting Doc, but I get the gist of what you are saying. Since no one died, you could argue that only the doctor was successful in completing a Night action. But Blockey's already said that nothing happened. Hrm... Blockey says we were trapped. It might mean something, or it could just be a red herring. I was expecting some players to get new posting restrictions, or for old restrictions to be rescinded. Did anyone get any PM's at all? If not, it makes me wonder if the mass role-blocker was able to block the moderator's powers as well as players' powers. I've received no instructions regarding my posting style. In addition to Mister Blockey, Merestil Haye and Pollux Oil have been participating as moderators. I wonder if the 25 of us are just pawns in a meta-Mafia game being played by these three. I'd suggest lynching the Moderators before going after scum, but they probably have immunity. ;D Ehhh.
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Sept 20, 2010 8:32:58 GMT -5
Post by special on Sept 20, 2010 8:32:58 GMT -5
OK, let's get this party started.
vote: Stay Puft
I don't mind outing myself to the Scum, because I don't mind being a Night Target.
I am a voluntary, diminshing returns Vigilante. My first kill is guaranteed success. Additional kills, not so much. I suppose I'm not any better at building death machines than Howard is at building space toilets.1
Last Night, I tried to kill Stay Puft as I suspect he's most likely a Serial Killer or a Scum. I cannot think that the Town would have a compulsory Vig and a Voluntary Vig. That's too much Town killing.
~~~~~~~~~~ 1- a reference to my TV show which is now on Thursday evening. New Night, Same Theory.
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Day 2
Sept 20, 2010 9:54:01 GMT -5
Post by special on Sept 20, 2010 9:54:01 GMT -5
Or, maybe let's not throw a party. I'll just sit here all by myself. And you guys wonder why I have trouble with speaking to people.
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Sept 20, 2010 10:20:59 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 20, 2010 10:20:59 GMT -5
Squeek. (Well. Now.) Last Night, I tried to kill Stay Puft as I suspect he's most likely a Serial Killer or a Scum. I cannot think that the Town would have a compulsory Vig and a Voluntary Vig. That's too much Town killing. SQUEEK? (But if you're a killer of diminishing returns, that does mean less Town killing, right? Still and all, though, I find your claim somewhat more plausible and less detrimental to Town overall, therefore:) SQUEEK! (Vote: StayPuft/Plankton)
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Sept 20, 2010 10:42:21 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Sept 20, 2010 10:42:21 GMT -5
when i am not scum they typically want to take my ass out early. i keep the shit stirred up which is not what scum want. also, i want it out there how many masons are in the game. that way as we get a little deeper they will be more confirmed. also it puts it to scum that they can't fake claim mason except on the pain of death. and i sure didn't want a vig taking my ass out. let scum waste a NK. i mean seriously, i have said this a million times. i play this for a team win. i really don't give a shit about my own personal survival. Very commendable. Doing exactly what a Town player ought to. Can you clarify what you mean here? What would you have a doc do? what gir said. and i sure as heck don't want to get involved in what a doc is going to do. and i sure as heck x100000000 don't want a doc to indicate what they are going to do. let fucking scum get heartburn over it. do they shoot at the doc or me not knowing where the hell the protect is (and to be honest it might not even be there). do they shoot into the unconfirmed making their lynch even more probable. and what about our potential town wig? shoot now he has fewer targets to go popping off at. do we kill him before he kills us. what to do? oh noes. that's where i like to put scum.
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Sept 20, 2010 10:48:10 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Sept 20, 2010 10:48:10 GMT -5
OK, let's get this party started. vote: Stay PuftI don't mind outing myself to the Scum, because I don't mind being a Night Target. I am a voluntary, diminshing returns Vigilante. My first kill is guaranteed success. Additional kills, not so much. I suppose I'm not any better at building death machines than Howard is at building space toilets. Last Night, I tried to kill Stay Puft as I suspect he's most likely a Serial Killer or a Scum. I cannot think that the Town would have a compulsory Vig and a Voluntary Vig. That's too much Town killing. And what happens if we lynch Mr. Blockey and he does turn up as a compulsory vig? Do we then lynch you next? I'm not liking this scenario at all because I can wrap my mind around Mr. Blockey giving town two vig's both of whom have undesirable qualities. I would be with you if you were both the same type of vig., but you're not.
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Sept 20, 2010 10:50:57 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Sept 20, 2010 10:50:57 GMT -5
Grrrr, that's what happens when I get interrupted twice while trying to make a post, although I wouldn't mind lynching Mr. Blockey. That should be "lynch the Stay Puft boy"
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Day 2
Sept 20, 2010 10:52:43 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Sept 20, 2010 10:52:43 GMT -5
-+-Fact check Dr. Rajesh did vote Mr Stay Puft Yesterday but it was right before the compulsive vigilante claim. Dr. Rajesh didn't post the claim or after vote swing away from Mr Stay Puft so. Mini Halloween Mafia also had a player whose power decreased (first shot kill, second shot block, all further shot gave target a rubber duck I think).
-+--Clarification requested from Dr. Rajesh Why not keep silent and try to kill again the following Night? Why claim so early Today instead of a bit later as it just causes a wagon on Puft and not probably not much else? Did you see Mr Stay Puft's claim Yesterday at all? If yes, why no comment on it?
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Sept 20, 2010 10:53:31 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Sept 20, 2010 10:53:31 GMT -5
OK, let's get this party started. vote: Stay PuftI don't mind outing myself to the Scum, because I don't mind being a Night Target. I am a voluntary, diminshing returns Vigilante. My first kill is guaranteed success. Additional kills, not so much. I suppose I'm not any better at building death machines than Howard is at building space toilets. 1Last Night, I tried to kill Stay Puft as I suspect he's most likely a Serial Killer or a Scum. I cannot think that the Town would have a compulsory Vig and a Voluntary Vig. That's too much Town killing. ~~~~~~~~~~ 1- a reference to my TV show which is now on Thursday evening. New Night, Same Theory.We do agree on one thing. It's unlikely that the town would have both a Compulsive and a Voluntary Vig. Which is why this makes me think you're Scum. The problem with that is that we now have two Vigilante claims, where it seems there is only room for one. If that is indeed the case, that means one of us must be lying. I know I'm telling the truth, which means you must be Scum. But that doesn't make much sense. Because if I'm lynched, I turn up Town, and then you are an automatic lynch the next day. And one-for-one doesn't benefit Scum at this point. And it certainly doesn't benefit a third-party... Therefore, the more reasonable conclusion, unlikely though it seems, is that the Town has two Vigilantes. Of course, others might conclude that the more reasonable conclusion is that I'm lying. That's perfectly understandable, but incorrect.
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Day 2
Sept 20, 2010 11:01:32 GMT -5
Post by Drain Bead on Sept 20, 2010 11:01:32 GMT -5
Okay. First things first, the mass roleblock. (Again, I swear to myself it wasn't me this time, for once!) I'm going to assume that it was a mass roleblock being used on Day One, rather than some crazy confluence of events that caused every night actor to be unsuccessful. Occam's Razor, horses not zebras, and all that. In general, mass roleblocks are more useful in mid-game or later, no matter which team you're playing for. If someone used this as a power, it's because they had a legitimate concern that they were going to die or that lots of people on their team were. My guess, based on the role claims we've seen so far, is that we have one of those crazy inventor-type roles wherein they had a lot of random items that they weren't sure how to use, and whatever they used last night was a tool for mass roleblock. Because otherwise, unless you're worried you're going to die that Night but aren't sure who is going to do it, there's no point in letting off a mass roleblock on Night One. So I'm going to assume, until I hear otherwise, that someone's Go-Go-Gadget Boxing-Glove-On-A-Spring punched us all in the face last Night and left us incapable of doing anything. Besides, isn't my idea much more fun?
Second, I should address the end of yesterDay. I was off prepping for our Saturday tailgate (weekends are going to be very bad for me until Thanksgiving) and missed the end of Day. That having been said, even if I had been around to see Marshy's claim, I wouldn't have unvoted. Compulsory Vig is a bit anti-Town (c.f. peekercpa for an extreme example of this), and it's a good place for Scum or a third-party SK to hide. Now that there's been a semi-counterclaim, I'm very comfortable revoting.
Vote: vote Stay-Puft
My participation may be low this week--my husband is out of town on business until Friday, which means I have a 20-month-old to wrangle on my own, on top of keeping the house from burning down or ending up on an episode of Hoarders. So I'll only be able to post from work or at night after I get the kid to sleep (thankfully easy) and get the house straightened up and such (not as easy). I will also be a bit punchy from lack of sleep.
BTW, does anyone else catch themselves capitalizing Day and Night when you type them outside of these games? I do it ALL THE TIME.
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Sept 20, 2010 11:02:47 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Sept 20, 2010 11:02:47 GMT -5
---+++--Executing Grammar Correction Routine - Dr. Rajesh didn't post after[/] Puft's claim or after the votes swinged away from Mr Stay Puft.
On the 'nothing happened' last Night: Couldn't the mass block indicate that there are balances against lots of kill? Supports multiple vigilantes a bit. With a doctor and mason claimed I could see a town player using the power, but as said scum could use it to protect an exposed one (but who then?) and the numbers would mean more town powers would be blocked than scum, Also anything that reduces kills is typically not good for scum. As passive trigger it definitely possible in which cause I'd like to know who Dr Stay Puft targetted before he is lynched (which could be Today with the semi-counter claim). Not sure if in the mini town had that power but I think it was the case (super scotwoman I think blocked all when targeted with kill). As it's most likely a single shot it would in that case reveal a vanilla but something to think about before reveal.
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Sept 20, 2010 11:12:37 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Sept 20, 2010 11:12:37 GMT -5
If Mr. Puffy is to be believed, he knows the identity of at least one person who was targeted for a kill last night. This is not a request for that information, at least not yet, nor is it a request for any holder of a hypothetical mass-roleblock power to claim having let off an EMP last night. But in the absence of the usual intel brought about by death and power interactions, such information coming forward may provide what little context can be harvested from last Night. <snipped and bolding mine> sorry but i just have to speak up on this one. folks do what you feel to deem best but ................. please don't share this information. it doesn't do shit for town and only gives scum data. i mean if puffy is a town vig then for him to say who he was aiming for doesn't do a fuckload for town, except maybe force another claim, but gives scum an idea of where he is leaning and then they plan accordingly. and a mass rb (which i think is what most likely happened) to come forward just reduces the unconfirmed pool where our dick (hopefully we have one) is hiding and going about his/her business. i mean i can't see that a person that has a mass rb has unlimited uses or this puppy will last till next century. and i am operating under the assumption that a mass rb is most likely a town power. scum typically want to go about killing. so adding a no kill Night just leaves status quo while giving town the opportunity to trip them up the next Day. also, in this puppy it should narrow down the place where scum can hide from a lynch.
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Day 2
Sept 20, 2010 11:26:29 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Sept 20, 2010 11:26:29 GMT -5
A few early-Day observations:
1. Sorry to see Twilight Fangril mislynched, but in the end it's not so painful, particularly given the no-death Night we just experienced. If he wasn't going to play, he was going to have to be removed sooner or later, particularly in advance of the endgame. Further, he had a power that could, if he decided to pop in and use it, have ended up in the death of an active player (potentially even a power role). In the end, it's about as good as a mislynch gets. Except, of course, that the actual value of the votes for Twilight Fangirl as Scum-hunting clues is blunted. Ah, well.
2. Of more interest to me was the way the Day developed. A total of three players came under strong scrutiny. Two claimed power roles - and both made claims that would be expected from Scum under duress - and one claimed nothing at all. The Town as a whole backed away from the two claimaints - solid Town play - but also backed away, in essence, from the third main target - Iskaral Pust (nphase). How and why this came to pass will be my first topic for examination toDay.
3. We have plenty of time to sort out this Raj/Stay-Puft thing. I see no particular reason why multiple Vigilantes should be an impossibility. I'd like to see how this develops during the course of this Day.
4. @ Curious George - the last paragraph of your last post (#47) constitutes a dangerous assumption. A mass block is definitely a pro-Town power, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily in pro-Town hands. In at least one past game, I deliberately gave the Scum several pro-Town powers that they could use to convincingly fake up a role claim; I think blockey is exactly the kind of moderator who might do something similar in this game.
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Day 2
Sept 20, 2010 11:44:35 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Sept 20, 2010 11:44:35 GMT -5
Regarding Dr. Raj, I really, really wanted to believe he's Scum based on his counter-Vig claim. But the more I think about it, I can't come up with any upside to someone making his Claim if he is not Town.
If he's Scum, then he knows I am not; therefore, I'm either telling the truth, or I am a SK. He would basically be betting the farm that I'm SK, because if I turn up Town his own argument ("there can be only one") gets used to lynch him on Day 3. If I flip Town, then the Town gets a 1-for-1, and I can't see Scum giving that up this early in the game.
If he is a Serial Killer (or some other 3rd party), then he is betting the farm that I'm Scum for the same reason, except that the downside for being wrong is even worse, since he's a team unto himself.
So I must conclude that he is a well meaning but misguided Townie. Or is there some other plausible scenario I'm not seeing?
Of course, all of the above hinges on the fact that I am Town, which won't be proven until Nightfall at the earliest. But assuming I am lynched today, and I turn out to be Town, is there a good reason not to lynch Raj tomorrow?
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Sept 20, 2010 11:50:30 GMT -5
Post by Renata on Sept 20, 2010 11:50:30 GMT -5
Heehee, trapped like bugs, trapped like bugs. All these people scurrying about doing sneaky things, and they get trapped like bugs. Must be irritating. Nod sagely, wise old uncle understands the frustrations of THOSE WHO MURDER PEOPLE AT NIGHT, come cry on my shoulder scumbags confession is good for the soul. And better for me, hee!
Ahem. Also, town power, I think. Not because scum couldn't find a use for such a thing, but because it's hard to fathom why a mod would give it to them in the first place -- it doesn't really further mafia aims of MURDERING PEOPLE AT NIGHT. On preview, what the bhok'aral said also. Stop reading my mind, you filthy creeping thing.
Also on preview, I'm very interested to see what the Maniac has to say about the bandwagon on yours truly. His comment about it yesterday was a bit on the cagey side. A bit of an air of "this must mean something, but I couldn't possibly specify what", don't you think, Maniac? That was going to be one of my topics for this morning, but I will let you do your thing.
vote: Batman[/color]. In addition to the reason I voted for him yesterday (several posts made, but substantive content equal to zero), he has now added two smudges on me. First by insinuating that my own vote was not honestly meant but just an excuse to vote for Batman (this was yesterDay); second by implying, but not stating outright, that I had something to gain by a mass block, if scum (quoted below). Neither time did he follow through to a full accusation or commit to his own logic. He just dropped it into the discussion like a mule turd and left it there. It's classic smudging, and Bill does that when he's mafia.
The second part of this could apply to me or StayPuft, but the first part obviously isn't aimed at him.
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Sept 20, 2010 11:52:49 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Sept 20, 2010 11:52:49 GMT -5
and homicidal maniac if fully understand how devious mods have become. but to be honest the only truly solid information i have is who my two fellow masons are. and so making assumptions about other stuff is about the best i can do.
so was it pro town, definitely. but could it have been used by scum, surely. but how the hell do they go about proving it? and your point makes it even more dangerous.
and to a great extent when i play as scum i want as much death and mayhem as possible going on. so an early mass rb really is helpful to town. if scum in fact had that power then, thanks, i guess.
seriously, as scum you want to shorten the game. because longer just means more opportunities for trip ups and or folks getting confirmed directly or indirectly. so is my assumption correct. who knows? but at least the conclusion is reasonable.
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Sept 20, 2010 12:12:31 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Sept 20, 2010 12:12:31 GMT -5
Thanks for reminding me, Stay Puft: I wanted to address some of Marcel's posts at the end of the Day, Yesterday. If you believe puffy to be a vig, then you believe he is town, and thus you wanted us to lynch a townie in order to save other townies. If you somehow knew for a fact that he would only kill townies, and several of them at that, then your argument would have merit. Given that you're not prescient, it does not. I don't understand this as worded. If it is what I think it is, it is rich; letting a vig live. No, beyond that, Extra Rich; letting a compulsory vig live No, beyond that even, Super Extra Rich; Peeker making these comments. The Vig will shoot townies, and no one seems to give a damn.Nothing against Plankton, but Expediency should be the rule, not spray and pray. Underlining mine. So, wait, lemme get this straight. If Puft had claimed non-compulsive vig, you'd still want him dead? Am I reading that right? Because the underlined portion of your posts suggests you have a problem with letting any vig live. You do play Mafia, right? You understand how important a vigilante can be? They can be dangerous too, yes, but that's like saying you'll never fly because of the small chance of a crash. is not only horseshit, it's particularly smelly horseshit. The vig may shoot Townies, yes. But I agree with those who are saying we'll get more information letting the Night play out as it plays.)[/size][/quote] :: What ever the fuck I have to do here, can I shoot the rat a bird? :: What do the Odds say for vigs? On first nights especially? When do we kill the vig? We will have to, Scum sure the fuck hell wont. [/quote] Yes, scum sure the fuck will, under the right circumstances. Even a compulsory vig can be very useful to town, and exceedingly dangerous to scum. How many times has a game come down to a matter of "knowns vs. unknowns"? Rather often, right? Town lynches unknown, vig kills another unknown. The pool for scum to hide in shrinks rapidly. A vig can hurt town in the early game, but they are disastrous to scum later on. Scum will not want to let a vig live that long. [/quote] Chitter chitter.... Little Indian Girl: Good point Meeko, I don't think they are thinking about that possibility. I'll bring it up. Hey guys, what about the possibility of scum having a redirector? The longer we leave an outed compulsory vig alive, the more chances we give scum to possibly use aredirector to turn the compulsory vig into a second NK for them. See it in use in the Alpha Centauri game on GB. So.... regardless of whether or not Dr. Raj's claim contradicts Staypuft's.... Staypuft should go. Vote: Staypuft
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Sept 20, 2010 12:19:35 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 20, 2010 12:19:35 GMT -5
what about the possibility of scum having a redirector? The longer we leave an outed compulsory vig alive, the more chances we give scum to possibly use aredirector to turn the compulsory vig into a second NK for them. See it in use in the Alpha Centauri game on GB. Squeek? (Are you serious? Of course we've thought about it, we discussed it yesterDay, and I brought it up first having been the vig in question.) /me looks skeptically at the raccoon.
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Sept 20, 2010 12:23:36 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Sept 20, 2010 12:23:36 GMT -5
what about the possibility of scum having a redirector? The longer we leave an outed compulsory vig alive, the more chances we give scum to possibly use aredirector to turn the compulsory vig into a second NK for them. See it in use in the Alpha Centauri game on GB. Squeek? (Are you serious? Of course we've thought about it, we discussed it yesterDay, and I brought it up first having been the vig in question.) /me looks skeptically at the raccoon. Chitter Chitter Little Indian Girl: Yeah you brought it up.... but it didn't seem to go anywhere after that. Columbo has a huge post here, and doesn't even mention it as a possibility. Meeko just wanted to bring it up again in the hopes that it might allow people to see exactly how dangerous leaving Staypuft alive can be.
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Day 2
Sept 20, 2010 13:07:22 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Sept 20, 2010 13:07:22 GMT -5
I am a voluntary, diminshing returns Vigilante. My first kill is guaranteed success. Additional kills, not so much. I suppose I'm not any better at building death machines than Howard is at building space toilets. 1Last Night, I tried to kill Stay Puft as I suspect he's most likely a Serial Killer or a Scum. I cannot think that the Town would have a compulsory Vig and a Voluntary Vig. That's too much Town killing. Sounds like you should complain to the mods. Because your " guaranteed success" didn't work As to the comment "That's too much Town killing"… I'm not sure your right about that. IF we indeed - and so much seems to indicate this - had a mass block last Night, then the Mods must have thought up ways to deal with this. Otherwise this puppy will last till next century. . We do agree on one thing. It's unlikely that the town would have both a Compulsive and a Voluntary Vig. Which is why this makes me think you're Scum. The problem with that is that we now have two Vigilante claims, where it seems there is only room for one. If that is indeed the case, that means one of us must be lying. I know I'm telling the truth, which means you must be Scum. But that doesn't make much sense. Because if I'm lynched, I turn up Town, and then you are an automatic lynch the next day. And one-for-one doesn't benefit Scum at this point. And it certainly doesn't benefit a third-party... Therefore, the more reasonable conclusion, unlikely though it seems, is that the Town has two Vigilantes. Of course, others might conclude that the more reasonable conclusion is that I'm lying. That's perfectly understandable, but incorrect. Next game you should play the part of Sherlock Holmes. But in this case I do very much agree with you: ...when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.
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Day 2
Sept 20, 2010 13:23:27 GMT -5
Post by Renata on Sept 20, 2010 13:23:27 GMT -5
Second, I should address the end of yesterDay. I was off prepping for our Saturday tailgate (weekends are going to be very bad for me until Thanksgiving) and missed the end of Day. That having been said, even if I had been around to see Marshy's claim, I wouldn't have unvoted. Compulsory Vig is a bit anti-Town (c.f. peekercpa for an extreme example of this), and it's a good place for Scum or a third-party SK to hide. Now that there's been a semi-counterclaim, I'm very comfortable revoting. I have issues with your wording here Buddy. Do you mind if I call you Buddy? I can put you together with Shadowthrone; you can discuss the god thing. I'm sure he'd have some illuminating things to say about the nature of self-sacrifice, heehee. Anyway. Compulsory vig is an AWFUL place for mafia to hide, all else being equal. It gets you vigged by the real vig, if there is one. It might get you "vigged" by the serial killer, if there is one, so that player can pretend to be the vig. And sooner or later (probably sooner) you are likely to die to a jumpy town, regardless. And that's not even to mention that unless there is a very strange game setup (like in Heroes on Giraffe, where we actually had a scum SK and the potential for two kills per night), you can't even follow through on producing the requisite bodies. Might a mafia claim that, despite the down sides? Sure. Is it a *good* claim, a good place for them to hide? Absolutely not. Which is just to say that your statement was more superficial than it looked, if you did not think about the comment but just casually tossed it out there. I don't like it, heehee.
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Day 2
Sept 20, 2010 13:38:19 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Sept 20, 2010 13:38:19 GMT -5
vote: Batman[/b. In addition to the reason I voted for him yesterday (several posts made, but substantive content equal to zero), he has now added two smudges on me. First by insinuating that my own vote was not honestly meant but just an excuse to vote for Batman (this was yesterDay); second by implying, but not stating outright, that I had something to gain by a mass block, if scum (quoted below). Neither time did he follow through to a full accusation or commit to his own logic. He just dropped it into the discussion like a mule turd and left it there. It's classic smudging, and Bill does that when he's mafia.
The second part of this could apply to me or StayPuft, but the first part obviously isn't aimed at him. What a steaming pile of batshit. Go take some valium or something, you're being rather over sensitive. Now, the fact that you think that "they had attracted too much attention on day 1 and would be a target for an investigator" was aimed specifically at you is rather interesting. Why do you think any investigator would target you over anyone else?
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Day 2
Sept 20, 2010 14:15:47 GMT -5
Post by Renata on Sept 20, 2010 14:15:47 GMT -5
That's disingenuous, Batman. Puffy and I were the number two and three vote-getters yesterDay. I did not claim, and his was met with uncertainty and suspicions of being a serial killer, despite the ultimate outcome. The fourth highest vote-getter claimed doctor and has not been counterclaimed. The detective, and hence the detective's highest priority target of suspicion, remains unknown. There is not remotely motive for anyone but Puffy or me to pull something as drastic as a mass block *just* to avoid an investigation, because no one but Puffy or I should have any specific reason to believe he might be investigated. And obviously Puffy can't kill himself, so that lets him off of half your proposed motive. If you were not aiming at the me specifically, then that part of your comment is so much noise, but I think you were, given the smudgy swat you aimed my way on day one. See his eyes widen, he cannot combat my irrefutable logic! I love myself, heehee!
I also do not know what this Valium is. I'll feed it to the mule.
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Day 2
Sept 20, 2010 14:30:11 GMT -5
Post by Renata on Sept 20, 2010 14:30:11 GMT -5
(The post of Storyteller's I was referencing earlier was this one, #331 from Day One. He hasn't followed up yet on his comments about the bandwagon, so I may as well say what I had to say about the post.)
Okay, Maniac. Do you mind if I borrow your knife for a minute, just for safekeeping? Wouldn't want you to take anything the wrong way, heehee. That's right, lead him down the flowered path, as if I'm really scared of him. Build up his ego, maybe he'll talk too much.
Ahem. This whole post long says nothing. You yourself admit the vote pattern is meaningless now and might me later, too, so what specifically, in the absence of alignment information for any of us, stood out as THIS MIGHT BE IMPORTANT, PAY ATTENTION HERE? And if there was nothing, why use so many words to say so, and why direct people to look at it all again later? None of that really feels like you.
Then the comment about me not voting for Stay Puft or role claiming either, as if it MUST MEAN SOMETHING --- but you can't say what. It can't be that either of those things is suspicious to you, either, since the remainder of the post minus one unnecessary question to Puffy is dedicated to saying you don't like the bandwagon on either of us.
What's up, Maniac? I had no issues with you up to this point, but this one post reeks worse than Coltaine's riders four days after the Fall. There's something cautious, or self-conscious, in this post, that the situation does not warrant on its surface. As if you were walking along happily in the game and looked down to find yourself in a field of bhederin patties. Now cautiously check, see how he's taking it. Any homicidal impulses? No? Best "return" the knife by throwing it in this handy crevice, anyway.
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