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Post by Natlaw on Oct 8, 2010 14:24:05 GMT -5
I had in mind Corinthian claimed Day Three but was Day Two. Did you know if you enchanced or impeded Batman (as in did you get trumped by Maniac or did you both boost him)? Do you know the factors beforehand? Who did you target last Night? I don't see telling it would hurt but neither how it would help confirm.
The masons pretty much claimed one of them/together they can watch - I can see scum want to impede that. How do you figure they don't have that additional power? Can you choose to not use your power?
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Post by severe delays on Oct 8, 2010 14:31:47 GMT -5
Evening peeps. There is a fairly lengthy post to follow but as time is pressing and I have sticky internet then I'll get this out of the way now.
Vote Gir!
I'll get typing, shall i?
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Post by Renata on Oct 8, 2010 14:37:04 GMT -5
The masons had not claimed that power yet on Night Two, little robot creature! They were all publicly known, but hadn't claimed anything beyond "mason". I guess I'd ask the same as Nordom did and ask whether Gir chose to "enhance" or "impede" the Corinthian, and what impact that choice has on other events surrounding Batman on night two.
Regardless of the answer, the why and how of the claimed redirection continues to be an issue, yes it does!
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Post by BillMc on Oct 8, 2010 15:03:08 GMT -5
]I'm a Catalyst/Anti-Catalyst, and will either enhance or impede the Night Action of the chosen target. Depending on certain factors, I might be able to choose which action (enhace or impede), or have it randomly assigned to me. I ended up choosing a Mason that Night to try to avoid messing up pro-Town Night actions (in hindsight, I should have targeted Stay Puft, but I might still have been redirected to Batman, depending on how the redirection works). so effectively you are claiming the same as story claimed - boost; or you are claiming impede - blocker - same as columbo sorry, I'm having a hard enough time swallowing story's claim, but yours just sticks in my throat. I'm comfortable where my vote is
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Post by BillMc on Oct 8, 2010 15:03:45 GMT -5
I'll get typing, shall i? yes
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Post by storyteller0910 on Oct 8, 2010 15:14:58 GMT -5
(Evil Dead went up on the 29th; his claim here was the 1st or thereabouts. He would have had his PM for a while prior to the 29th; so it all depends on when his PMs were finalized for the SDMB game. Aaargh, I hate meta-game crap so very, very much. Vote retracted, it's not definite.) unvote[/color] vote: Gir[/color][/quote] ... For what it's worth, I absolutely cannot respond in any way to any arguments made on the basis of this or related reasons, to avoid compromising the other game. I probably should not moderate and play at the same time. --- In other news, I'm comfortable with my vote.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 8, 2010 15:33:30 GMT -5
I don't understand the metagame case against Story, but I don't really like them so that's ok.
I've seen enough to get my off of the fence on, Gir!. Further information from her may change things, but I don't understand why she has not been willing to volunteer more information until now considering how much of a knot we've been trying to untangle on Night 2.
Vote: Gir!
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Post by Renata on Oct 8, 2010 15:38:36 GMT -5
(There's no case; it's completely ambiguous. I feel like crap for assuming it was something it wasn't.
Story -- obviously, and no problem.)
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Post by severe delays on Oct 8, 2010 15:48:11 GMT -5
OK, my reasons for voting Gir! are as follows:
1) Her posting style. She's claimed a restriction which I'll accept as others have them but she specifically said that she had "duty mode" on Day1 (#127) and can post more openly if she uses the <Eyes Glow Red> format. So why isn't she? There are an awful lot of character/nonsense posts and not much else of use.
The quote above (Day2, #265) “explains” this but to me it's bull. I have no idea what most of your characters are and I doubt that the mods know each of them well enough that they'd be able to pick up on tiny slips like how many times Kat posts here in comparison to how many times a cartoon character speaks sensibly. There are occasions where she could be using her "duty mode" to clarify issues or even to state that she's unwilling to answer a question but she's choosing to hide behind her character. It seems incredibly dishonest and suspicious.
2) Gir! visited Bill McBatman yet claimed she did not. When challenged she claimed a redirect (vaguely) Day 3, #546 but wouldn't offer any further information. Not even to say why she wouldn't explain. Different people have offered reasons as to why they felt we should be open with the masons or conceal information and they are all plausible but I can't find anything from Gir! She's hiding things and I think hoping that due to the volume of posting and the size of the Bat Party that we won't notice she's not talking.
3) Redirection is easy to claim, there's been a lot of discussion about it. We had a ton of redirections to Bill McBatman but we also had some non-redirections. Lt Columbo was not redirected so it can't be a mass-redirect. Yet we are expected to believe that Gir! was there on a redirect? I'm unconvinced.
4) ToDay she has possibly claimed a boosting-type role. Although how we could tell, I'm not sure. She pointed at her nose? Where I'm from that means 'mind your own business, don't be nosy, I'm not telling'. I'll concede that there will be cultural differences in gestures and if you all think that it means something different then I'll consider that perspective but so far I'm not buying it.
5) She's since claimed that she actioned on The Corinthian as a throwaway of her powers so as not to interfere with town actions. That's such a strange thing to do. Why pick The Corinthian? He hadn't claimed anything at the time. There were far more interesting people to enhance and she's throwing away actions she claims are beneficial to town? We had a claimed Cop and she wasn't enhancing his role?
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Post by severe delays on Oct 8, 2010 15:49:04 GMT -5
NETA: Sorry, still haven't worked out the quote thing properly.
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Post by severe delays on Oct 8, 2010 16:01:59 GMT -5
Onto Zedd! I don't know if he is scum or he isn't for definite but I'm reluctant to vote for someone who is a claimed town investigator/cloud watcher without clearer evidence that he is scum. We've spent a lot of time discussing how to prove Zedd's role and have picked holes in most of the suggestions. I would still like for him to be investigated even if it is not toNight. As I said before, I don't think that Bill McBatman should tell us whether he is investigating Zedd at any point. If Zedd is lying then that will be revealed when he inevitably slips up. If he's telling the truth then he is valuable. There's just no mileage in voting for Zedd.
Vote boosting: I came up with diddly. The boosted votes is strange and I think we should be discussing it more so I was looking to see if I could find any association between extra votes and who was being voted for or who was voting. I did spend a while on it but I'm not seeing patterns HOWEVER to go oog for a second, I'm pretty dyscalculic and not good with things like numbers or pattern recognition*. Just because I can't see it doesn't mean it's not there. It just means my brain is too disorganised to deal with it. Could somebody think about going over the votes and doing some analysis? I really would like to find out more about these boosts.
*And also sorry to you all if my posting is ungrammatical or rambling. I will try to be more organised and coherent.
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Post by Gir! on Oct 8, 2010 16:09:56 GMT -5
Hey, I'm gonna sing the Doom Song!
Doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom.....
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Post by Gir! on Oct 8, 2010 16:31:32 GMT -5
.....doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom.....
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Post by julie on Oct 8, 2010 16:34:18 GMT -5
There are approximately 2.5 hours to end of Day.
Current Vote Count
8 Gir: Batman (189), Nordom (284), Rorschach (306), Homicidal Maniac (313), Meeko (321), Iskaral Pust (327), Elizabeth Bathory (331), Nakor (336)
5 Elizabeth Bathory: Raj (281), Death of Rats (287), The Corinthian (288), Zedd (294)
1 Zedd: Curious George (37)
1 Curious George: Marcel (27)
1 Rorschach: Jack Skellington (309)
In the event of a tie, the mods will randomly select from the following two options.
* No player is lynched. * All players tied for the lynch lead are lynched.
Corrections always welcome.
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Post by Natlaw on Oct 8, 2010 16:52:18 GMT -5
.....doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom..... .....doom DOOM doom DOOM doom doom doom..... Nice song! Also makes me more comfortable about lynching you (with no further answers or a vote). I need more sleep confusing when who claimed what and when but the point stands: why target a mason to avoid impeding town when you could not target at all (unless compulsive but then you wouldn't be singing but telling that right?).
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Post by special on Oct 8, 2010 17:01:40 GMT -5
[/color] vote: Homicidal Maniac[/color] People in Story's game on the Dope will know why. Too much of a coincidence for me. I don't like this, but it would be ridiculous to ignore it.[/quote] This has caused me to pause as well.
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Post by special on Oct 8, 2010 17:03:24 GMT -5
(Evil Dead went up on the 29th; his claim here was the 1st or thereabouts. He would have had his PM for a while prior to the 29th; so it all depends on when his PMs were finalized for the SDMB game. Aaargh, I hate meta-game crap so very, very much. Vote retracted, it's not definite.) unvote[/color] vote: Gir[/color][/quote] I got my role PM on the 12th in this game. So it's a plausible explanation. or a coincidence.
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Post by special on Oct 8, 2010 17:08:01 GMT -5
NETA, sorry, story, I'll let it drop for now. It's a non-issue anyway
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Post by special on Oct 8, 2010 17:12:05 GMT -5
OK, my reasons for voting Gir! are as follows: 1) Her posting style. She's claimed a restriction which I'll accept as others have them but she specifically said that she had "duty mode" on Day1 (#127) and can post more openly if she uses the <Eyes Glow Red> format. So why isn't she? There are an awful lot of character/nonsense posts and not much else of use. The quote above (Day2, #265) “explains” this but to me it's bull. I have no idea what most of your characters are and I doubt that the mods know each of them well enough that they'd be able to pick up on tiny slips like how many times Kat posts here in comparison to how many times a cartoon character speaks sensibly. There are occasions where she could be using her "duty mode" to clarify issues or even to state that she's unwilling to answer a question but she's choosing to hide behind her character. It seems incredibly dishonest and suspicious. 2) Gir! visited Bill McBatman yet claimed she did not. When challenged she claimed a redirect (vaguely) Day 3, #546 but wouldn't offer any further information. Not even to say why she wouldn't explain. Different people have offered reasons as to why they felt we should be open with the masons or conceal information and they are all plausible but I can't find anything from Gir! She's hiding things and I think hoping that due to the volume of posting and the size of the Bat Party that we won't notice she's not talking. 3) Redirection is easy to claim, there's been a lot of discussion about it. We had a ton of redirections to Bill McBatman but we also had some non-redirections. Lt Columbo was not redirected so it can't be a mass-redirect. Yet we are expected to believe that Gir! was there on a redirect? I'm unconvinced. 4) ToDay she has possibly claimed a boosting-type role. Although how we could tell, I'm not sure. She pointed at her nose? Where I'm from that means 'mind your own business, don't be nosy, I'm not telling'. I'll concede that there will be cultural differences in gestures and if you all think that it means something different then I'll consider that perspective but so far I'm not buying it. 5) She's since claimed that she actioned on The Corinthian as a throwaway of her powers so as not to interfere with town actions. That's such a strange thing to do. Why pick The Corinthian? He hadn't claimed anything at the time. There were far more interesting people to enhance and she's throwing away actions she claims are beneficial to town? We had a claimed Cop and she wasn't enhancing his role? 1) Her restriction made sense to me. Are you saying that she wants to lurk while being able to blame it on the mods? 2 and 3) Valid point (actually very related points) 4) I agree 5) This action does make sense if her power is mandatory. However, she failed to say it was, which would have been the first thing I would have said if I were Town. It does make sense for a mandatory Town roleblocker to target a Mason since their power isn't blockable. Of course, it makes more sense to block yourself since that's self-canceling and meaningless. Corinthian had claimed at that point, hadn't he?
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Post by Red Skeezix on Oct 8, 2010 17:16:26 GMT -5
Just a bit of clarification. In the US or at least in the parts of the US where I frequent. Pointing to your nose means "correct" or assent.
So when Gir! was asked (paraphrased) "Where were you redirected from?" she said "The Teeth, The Teeth." Then I asked "Is the teeth me?" and she pointed to her nose.
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Post by Gir! on Oct 8, 2010 17:26:23 GMT -5
.....doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom.....
*takes deep breath*
Noyeseleanorttheyhadntsaidnononoyourenotverysmartforabatareyouthemaniacsajoatoraninventorwhydiditakeabreathrobotsdontneedtobreathnoyourenotverysmartforacountesssareyouitwasrandomthatnightnoyesthereareatleasttwomorepfksisaididanswerwhenigothomeitonlytakesthirtysecondstoputupthedoomsandidbeenlookingforwardtothatsinceireadthepratleastoneofthepeopleirepliedtoislyingitstheoneiagreedwithyesterdaynoyescantdothat
Batman likes Scott Summers *sticks out tongue*
Vote Rorshach
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Post by severe delays on Oct 8, 2010 17:29:15 GMT -5
1) Her restriction made sense to me. Are you saying that she wants to lurk while being able to blame it on the mods? Pretty much. For someone fearful of a mod punishment she has spent a lot of time testing that restriction and seeing what the mods do in response. She's not kept to her restriction all the time and nothing has happened. But she's still posting on a level of 'blurtle cornstubble' a lot of the time and it's only last night/today (realtime) that she's stopped doing that for any length of time. Everyone else who has a restriction manages to post around that. But KatGir! is writing as per her restriction and then posting nothing else. If she has nothing to contribute then fine. But why post nonsense which only serves to cause confusion and distract us from discussing others? 5) This action does make sense if her power is mandatory. However, she failed to say it was, which would have been the first thing I would have said if I were Town. It does make sense for a mandatory Town roleblocker to target a Mason since their power isn't blockable. Of course, it makes more sense to block yourself since that's self-canceling and meaningless. Corinthian had claimed at that point, hadn't he? I don't think he had? I'll go back and try to find it. But I think even if he had I still don't see the need to target a mason. A claimed cop is a far better person to enhance. Throwing away an action that is negative to town is good. Throwing away something that could have helped is not. I admit to not being all that familiar with mafia roles but her claimed role seems to be a bit of everything. She might boost, she might impede, she might choose, she might not. We can't help our roles but that one seems a bit too much of a jack of all trades to be anything more than a convenient catch all.
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Post by severe delays on Oct 8, 2010 17:30:26 GMT -5
NETA: Not the role Jack Of All Trades, just the phrase.
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Post by Gir! on Oct 8, 2010 17:32:08 GMT -5
I'm gonna roll around on the floor for a while. K?
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Post by severe delays on Oct 8, 2010 17:36:44 GMT -5
Just a bit of clarification. In the US or at least in the parts of the US where I frequent. Pointing to your nose means "correct" or assent. So when Gir! was asked (paraphrased) "Where were you redirected from?" she said "The Teeth, The Teeth." Then I asked "Is the teeth me?" and she pointed to her nose. Thanks, I'll assume that your definition is probably the one she meant. But why not just come out and say it? She can put her red eyes on or just post normally as she's been doing from time to time. This is what I mean about hiding behind her role - she seems to be deliberately using it to post confusingly.
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Post by Gir! on Oct 8, 2010 17:38:33 GMT -5
Marcel, you left your lights on.
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Post by Red Skeezix on Oct 8, 2010 17:43:12 GMT -5
Attempted translation:
No yes eleanor tthey hadnt said no no no youre not very smart for a bat are you the maniacs a joatoran inventor why did i take a breath robots dont need to breath no youre not very smart for a countesss are you it was random that night no yes there are at least two more pfks i said id answer when i got home it only takes thirty seconds to put up the dooms and id been looking forward to that since i read the pratle ast one of the people i replied to is lying its the one i agreed with yesterday no yes cant do that
Gir: Care to explain the bolded phrases?
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Post by special on Oct 8, 2010 17:44:09 GMT -5
1) Her restriction made sense to me. Are you saying that she wants to lurk while being able to blame it on the mods? Pretty much. For someone fearful of a mod punishment she has spent a lot of time testing that restriction and seeing what the mods do in response. She's not kept to her restriction all the time and nothing has happened. But she's still posting on a level of 'blurtle cornstubble' a lot of the time and it's only last night/today (realtime) that she's stopped doing that for any length of time. The mods did nothing the second time I erred. Maybe they didn't notice even though I pointed it out. However, I've also decided that not allowing me to post goes border on gastard. And not allowing me to quote the posts of a female is already pretty gastard. My only real recourse is to have someone else post a reply to them and then reply to that.
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Post by Gir! on Oct 8, 2010 17:45:24 GMT -5
I like Ed.
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Post by special on Oct 8, 2010 17:46:35 GMT -5
5) This action does make sense if her power is mandatory. However, she failed to say it was, which would have been the first thing I would have said if I were Town. It does make sense for a mandatory Town roleblocker to target a Mason since their power isn't blockable. Of course, it makes more sense to block yourself since that's self-canceling and meaningless. Corinthian had claimed at that point, hadn't he? I don't think he had? I'll go back and try to find it. But I think even if he had I still don't see the need to target a mason. A claimed cop is a far better person to enhance. Throwing away an action that is negative to town is good. Throwing away something that could have helped is not. . Definitely Day 2. Corinthian's last post from Day 2:
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