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Post by PrecambrianMollusc on Oct 3, 2009 20:42:39 GMT -5
Fair enough - I dropped that Julie claimed Kat killed her
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Post by The Real FCOD on Oct 3, 2009 20:47:50 GMT -5
Yes, I am saying that, because I did not kill you.
Look, now that MHaye noticed the inconsistency between your claim and DBI's, let's just wait a Day and see if DBI is Town or not. If she comes back anything but Town, do with me what you will. Until then, I think we should focus on our claimed Nightkillers. Like I said yesterday, there's no ambiguity around Kat!'s claim, so I think we should not lynch her, as Cabal-insurance. I'm relatively sure that Cookies is a wolf but I'm not sure. I AM sure that she's non-Town, so I'm comfortable lynching her toDay as long as our Vigilantes agree not to kill Kat! until we're sure the Cabal is eradicated. That's my $.02.
Unvote: Kat!
--FCOD
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 3, 2009 20:48:41 GMT -5
The point is DBI has no result for your killer - which is consistent with a vampire killing you . Well, my killer was FCoD, so ask him. You're right, a vamp did not kill me. A vamp killed Julie, that night, as she said. Just how many vamps do you think are in this game? I count ONE: Kat, whom I doubt she'd have any reason to lie about it. And since Julie says Kat killed her...that all of says I wasn't killed by a vampire. So..try again? I shouldn't have to be explaining this to you. Seems to ME either Kat or Julie is lying. Is this brain surgery, seeing it? Either Kat isn't a vamp and killed Julie some other way or Julie wasn't killed by Kat and is lying about it. Either way, it merits being looked at. You're saying I'm a good vote choice when we have a claimed vampire, wolf, AND possible cabalist? Cause it sure looks like people want to vote for me all of a sudden.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 3, 2009 20:50:17 GMT -5
Yes, I am saying that, because I did not kill you. BUZZ! Try again. I didn't ask if it was an impossibility that you killed me, somehow, knowingly or unknowingly. I asked ..so you're saying it's an impossibility I got a PM that says you killed me?
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Post by julie on Oct 3, 2009 20:52:08 GMT -5
Vote: Cookies
I know Kat! is not Cabal. I don't know what Cookies is. I'm completely behind the idea of keeping Kat! around to prevent Cabal winning.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Oct 3, 2009 20:55:17 GMT -5
What exactly are you trying to get me to say? I didn't kill you, I have no way to kill you. Do I have a secret, hidden "Kill Idle on Night Three" power that I wasn't aware of? I guess so. Is it likely? You tell me.
--FCOD
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 3, 2009 20:57:04 GMT -5
What exactly are you trying to get me to say? I didn't kill you, I have no way to kill you. Do I have a secret, hidden "Kill Idle on Night Three" power that I wasn't aware of? I guess so. Is it likely? You tell me. --FCOD That didn't answer my question. Are you saying it's IMPOSSIBLE that I got a PM saying that? It's not a loaded question..it's a simple yes or no. If you don't have anything to hide, then you can easily answer it.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Oct 3, 2009 20:59:50 GMT -5
From my perspective, yes it is impossible. I have no killing power of which I am aware.
--FCOD
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Post by PrecambrianMollusc on Oct 3, 2009 21:10:54 GMT -5
Point taken - julie claims a vamp kill (I had missed that) - DBI has no result for you - indicative of a vamp - that's quite a few vamps. 2 vicars is consistent with 2 necromancers , and all the claimed role doubling up.
DBI could have been blocked seams more probable, less likely she is lying.
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Post by julie on Oct 3, 2009 21:17:25 GMT -5
To be pedantically clear, I'm claiming Kat! killed me, not making any claims about her alignment or role.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 3, 2009 22:17:20 GMT -5
From my perspective, yes it is impossible. I have no killing power of which I am aware. --FCOD Well, then one of two things are going to be the case: 1. You're going to be in for a nasty surprise. 2. You're going to be found to be lying through your teeth if I ever die. If 1, then I urge you to reconsider since that would be you probably really are Town If 2, then it's in your best interest to keep me alive anyway, since when my role is revealed, your head will be up next.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 3, 2009 22:18:52 GMT -5
To be pedantically clear, I'm claiming Kat! killed me, not making any claims about her alignment or role. Same here with me and FCoD. When you were brought back from the dead, you were told, weren't you? Me too.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Oct 3, 2009 23:16:23 GMT -5
From my perspective, yes it is impossible. I have no killing power of which I am aware. --FCOD Well, then one of two things are going to be the case: 1. You're going to be in for a nasty surprise. 2. You're going to be found to be lying through your teeth if I ever die. If 1, then I urge you to reconsider since that would be you probably really are Town If 2, then it's in your best interest to keep me alive anyway, since when my role is revealed, your head will be up next. Ooh. I'm quaking in my booties. The truth will set you free, my friend. Either you're lying or DBI is. We'll know toMorrow if DBI had a motive to lie, so let's wait until then to start throwing around vague threats. --FCOD
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Oct 3, 2009 23:17:18 GMT -5
Clearly, we know that at least one of:
Idle Thoughts FCoD DBI Julie Sis Coyote Pleonast
is a filthy liar. Possibly more than one.
We can rule out Pleo right away. Pleo may make some complicated games, but he's not the type to out-and-out lie to his player, of that I am confident.
Next, we can reasonably assume that Kat is a vampire. Given her position in the claim chain, along with the fact that everyone thought that Blockey was a vampire and that Natlaw hadn't busted out his 'kill the witches' strat yet, the odds that she's lying cabal or wolf I'd judge at 'negligible'. 3 people died last Night, which is 2 too many, especially considering it's somewhat likely that one of: Idle Thoughts or Julie is no loner town. As such, it seems like a good idea to lynch Kat toDay, regardless of who's lying.
Next, we will know the truthiness value of DBI's statements next Dawn. This will help us sort out the puzzle.
If DBI is town, then Idle Thoughts is definitely a recruited non-town. He'll have been caught in a lie. This means that FCoD almost certainty didn't kill Idle. Now, FCoD might still be Cabal, but I doubt it, given where he was on the claim chain and what he claimed. Furthermore, if Idle is a resurrected Vamp, then that means that Julie is almost certainly a townie, since the odds of 2 simultaneous resurrection recruitments is ludicrously low. Meaning that Sis Coyote will also have been a liar*.
*She claimed to have resurrected one of Julie and Idle, but neither, in this scenario, was resurrected by Sis Coyote.
On the other hand, if DBI isn't town, but Sis Coyote is, then Idle is probably telling the truth. Which means that FCoD is a filthy liar. On the other hand, all that tells us exactly jack-diddly about Julie, since a) One townie has to have a secret power. Julie has claimed to have had it, no-one has counterclaimed her, which significantly lowers the odds of her lying. b) OTOH, the claim is also the most fitting lie that a resurrected vampire would use, as it both sidesteps the resurrection issues and seems inherently verifiable without actually having been verified.
On the third hand, if both DBI and Sis Coyote are town, then we're in a bit of a quandary. DBI having been town implies that Idle would be lying--but Sis Coyote had to have resurrected someone, and if she resurrected Julie, that would mean that Julie's telling the truth--except that she claimed to have resurrected herself. Unless...unless both the resurrections happened simultaneously.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 3, 2009 23:30:02 GMT -5
Idle Thoughts or Julie is no loner town. And how, pray tell, am I or would I be no longer Town? The vampire killed Julie and Julie is now resurrected. I'd think it was very clear who to kill first if/when it comes to it. Wrong.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 3, 2009 23:31:15 GMT -5
Well, then one of two things are going to be the case: 1. You're going to be in for a nasty surprise. 2. You're going to be found to be lying through your teeth if I ever die. If 1, then I urge you to reconsider since that would be you probably really are Town If 2, then it's in your best interest to keep me alive anyway, since when my role is revealed, your head will be up next. Ooh. I'm quaking in my booties. The truth will set you free, my friend. Either you're lying or DBI is. We'll know toMorrow if DBI had a motive to lie, so let's wait until then to start throwing around vague threats. --FCOD Who is throwing around threats? I have a PM here that says you're the one that killed me. That's not a threat, that's a fact.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Oct 3, 2009 23:35:51 GMT -5
And I have a role PM that has no mention of a killing power. Also a fact. You said I'm in for a nasty surprise or I'm lying. I'm not lying, so what is the nasty surprise?
--FCOD
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Post by Gir! on Oct 3, 2009 23:52:04 GMT -5
As such, it seems like a good idea to lynch Kat toDay, regardless of who's lying. I disagree. I think we should lynch someone else.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Oct 4, 2009 4:39:09 GMT -5
In N04.017 she claimed to have investigated the death of Idle Thoughts on Day 4.
In N04.029 she claimed a null result - ie that you were killed by a Vampire. I wasn't killed by a vampire. I was killed by FCoD, as I said. I don't know how, why, or where you're getting that I was killed by a vampire. I'm immune to vampire attacks. I was told this in my intial PM...so if PCM is a vicar as well, he can back me up with this since he'd have gotten it too.Dotchan said you were killed by someone she could not identify. See the links to her posts in the remnant of my post above (preserved for people's convenience.) Either Dot was lying, or you are. We learn Dot's alignment at Dawn tomorrow. If she comes up Town, the presumption is that she was telling the truth with her claims, and therefore you are lying about something, probably being a Vicar before death. If, however, she comes up not-Town, then she must have lied in her claim and made her findings up, therefore there will be no reason to believe you were killed by a Vampire. Since we learn something about your accuser Tomorrow, I think we can wait that long to decide about you. We know you were Town before death, since Pedescribe investigated you N3, and got a Town return. What we don't know (and the Witches cannot tell us) is what your role was. Dotchan's claim throws doubt on your claimed pre-death role. I'm going to get behind the Kat lynch. I think we need to eliminate a killer Today. Vote: Kat! .
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Oct 4, 2009 8:39:26 GMT -5
Not wrong. It's quite simple, acksually. If DBI is town, then a vampire killed you. If a vampire killed you, then you are a liar. If you are lying about something so important, then you aren't town. As such, it seems like a good idea to lynch Kat toDay, regardless of who's lying. I disagree. I think we should lynch someone else. ;D
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 4, 2009 9:41:01 GMT -5
Vote Precambrian Mollusk the Cabal or Other
Anyone pushing to lynch me, the last wolf, is trying to sail the Town's canoe up shit creek. I am alone and the least of your worries. Paul did indeed kill CIAS. I am just as clueless as to what happened to Ed and Bufftabby on Night 1. I was thinking that Parzival was the magician when Ed turned up dead, and if you go back and read my posts you will see my play obviously influenced by that as of my first few posts on Day 2. But when Parzival claimed that Ed had tried to kill someone on Night 1 and took so long to make his claim and alleged that he had magician-redirected to bufftaby on Night 1, I became convinced that he was a Vamp.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 4, 2009 9:43:11 GMT -5
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Vote: Precambrian Mollusk the Cabal or Other
Vote Precambrian Mollusk the Cabal or Other
Anyone pushing to lynch me, the last wolf, is trying to sail the Town's canoe up shit creek. I am alone and the least of your worries. Paul did indeed kill CIAS. I am just as clueless as to what happened to Ed and Bufftabby on Night 1. I was thinking that Parzival was the magician when Ed turned up dead, and if you go back and read my posts you will see my play obviously influenced by that as of my first few posts on Day 2. But when Parzival claimed that Ed had tried to kill someone on Night 1 and took so long to make his claim and alleged that he had magician-redirected to bufftaby on Night 1, I became convinced that he was a Vamp.
And, I did indeed try to kill Mhaye on Night 3 and failed, just as I said.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Oct 4, 2009 11:43:25 GMT -5
Precambrian Mollusk, as I noted earlier, is Town.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 4, 2009 11:49:45 GMT -5
Yes, but that's not the point. His line of thinking, regardless of whether or not he is of Town mind, is just the thing that the Cabal or Super-zombie Vamps, or whatever else we have lingering around here, would want the Town to do.
My vote is worthless anyway.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 4, 2009 17:08:24 GMT -5
And I have a role PM that has no mention of a killing power. Also a fact. You said I'm in for a nasty surprise or I'm lying. I'm not lying, so what is the nasty surprise? --FCOD I don't believe you. I think you're lying. I think you did, somehow, kill me and you know it. I wasn't killed by a vampire. I was killed by FCoD, as I said. I don't know how, why, or where you're getting that I was killed by a vampire. I'm immune to vampire attacks. I was told this in my intial PM...so if PCM is a vicar as well, he can back me up with this since he'd have gotten it too.So what? Why does it have to be that way? How do you know there isn't other things that could give inconclusive results? Why not have Pede investigate me again? It would show I'm still Town. Not wrong. It's quite simple, acksually. If DBI is town, then a vampire killed you. If a vampire killed you, then you are a liar. If you are lying about something so important, then you aren't town. Wrong. Your wrong point is in the fact that if DBI was down, that makes me not town....because I'm still Town. Investigate me again if you can do it, by all means.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Oct 4, 2009 17:42:06 GMT -5
Alright then, Idle, riddle me this: How would a Town DBI have gotten an inconclusive result on you, other than you being killed by a Vampire?
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 4, 2009 18:07:21 GMT -5
Alright then, Idle, riddle me this: How would a Town DBI have gotten an inconclusive result on you, other than you being killed by a Vampire? I don't know. You tell me. I'm not even sure DBI was Town. My point is just this: I am still Town...so it doesn't matter what DBI was. If she turns out to be non-Town, great! If not though, I'm saying that doesn't mean I'm not Town. If, somehow, on the off chance she is Town, then you (and MHaye, and anyone else who thinks it) are wrong--that it's not just vampires who give inconclusive results. Because no Vampire attacked me. FCoD killed me, whatever he is.
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Post by julie on Oct 4, 2009 18:56:08 GMT -5
Since we know that Idle was Town at one point, and we don't have any proof about recruitment, wouldn't it be more likely that he is telling the truth than lying?
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Post by julie on Oct 4, 2009 18:57:20 GMT -5
Alright then, Idle, riddle me this: How would a Town DBI have gotten an inconclusive result on you, other than you being killed by a Vampire? Blocked? I don't know what form a block would take on an investigative power.
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Post by Gir! on Oct 4, 2009 19:40:05 GMT -5
Is there a reason that you know that FCoD isn't a Vampire, Idle?
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