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Post by julie on Oct 5, 2009 17:59:54 GMT -5
SisCoyote claimed someone was coming back. If she meant Idle (and I don't know why she didn't say so. Sometimes, I think we all get too fond of playing close to the vest), that would explain his return. If she meant me, I didn't see any evidence of it. Idle, when did you get word you were dead and what were you told? I was just told I was killed Interesting. That's the extent of the notice you got? Just "You were killed"?
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 5, 2009 18:02:23 GMT -5
Well, if you want to split hairs, here it is:
I don't see what it matters. And it doesn't matter if you tell me anything different because I'm already going to think you were lying.
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Post by julie on Oct 5, 2009 18:04:25 GMT -5
She says, in it, specifically "One of last Night's dead will be returning". At the start of that day, in this post: psychopathgame.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=game16&action=display&thread=1115&page=1#54761..you can see there were only two people who were of "last Night's" dead. You and me. That seems to say to me, very, very clearly (YMMV) that it was therefore either you or I that she enchanted. Now, let's look at the facts: 1. You had not claimed yet by then. She didn't know what you were. 2. She DID know, however, that I was probably Town. Even going so far as to point that out to someone who missed it in this post: psychopathgame.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=game16&action=display&thread=1115#549003. So sorry if I'm to lean more onto the assuption (which, again, I think is very clear) that she raised me and not you, especailly considering the other facts: I agree that I assume she raised you, and I assume she actually was a Witchdoctor. I can't think of any way she would have known otherwise that someone was coming back. She would have had no reason whatsoever to raise me and I was not given any indication she had raised me. As for Kat!, I think I'll be disappointed if we kill her and then discover that we managed to lose to Cabal.
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Post by Gir! on Oct 5, 2009 18:30:47 GMT -5
Bah.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Oct 5, 2009 19:06:24 GMT -5
8. FCoD claimed FreeMason. There aren't any other FreeMason's in the game. And I cannot fathom why the mod would put in just one and give him a secret handshake if there was nobody do to it with. Not unless it was a Gastard game. Why is this so incomprehensible, if true? You really couldn't see Pleo putting in a VT to even things out?
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 5, 2009 20:19:04 GMT -5
8. FCoD claimed FreeMason. There aren't any other FreeMason's in the game. And I cannot fathom why the mod would put in just one and give him a secret handshake if there was nobody do to it with. Not unless it was a Gastard game. Why is this so incomprehensible, if true? You really couldn't see Pleo putting in a VT to even things out? Did you just miss all of my other posts? Seriously, man. FCoD killed me. Deal with it. No matter how much you try to make excuses for him or stick up for him, he killed me. I believe it without a doubt not. I have (and have posted) the PM to prove it.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Oct 5, 2009 21:00:22 GMT -5
Why is this so incomprehensible, if true? You really couldn't see Pleo putting in a VT to even things out? Did you just miss all of my other posts? Seriously, man. FCoD killed me. Deal with it. No matter how much you try to make excuses for him or stick up for him, he killed me. I believe it without a doubt not. I have (and have posted) the PM to prove it. I'll believe it as soon as I'm sure you're still town.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 5, 2009 23:16:10 GMT -5
Did you just miss all of my other posts? Seriously, man. FCoD killed me. Deal with it. No matter how much you try to make excuses for him or stick up for him, he killed me. I believe it without a doubt not. I have (and have posted) the PM to prove it. I'll believe it as soon as I'm sure you're still town. And knowing what the Vicar's role PM and results says, word for word, and having that verified, doesn't convince you, huh?
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Oct 6, 2009 6:58:22 GMT -5
I'll believe it as soon as I'm sure you're still town. And knowing what the Vicar's role PM and results says, word for word, and having that verified, doesn't convince you, huh? It convinces me that you were town when you died. Something that, as I pointed out, I already knew. It makes no implications either way on your current status.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Oct 6, 2009 8:09:19 GMT -5
Did you just miss all of my other posts? Seriously, man. FCoD killed me. Deal with it. No matter how much you try to make excuses for him or stick up for him, he killed me. I believe it without a doubt not. I have (and have posted) the PM to prove it. You can scream and yell and use large fonts (ok so you didn't do that...yet!) all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that I did not kill you. There is no proof except your word. You keep repeating yourself, but it has not and will not convince anyone unless an actual cardflip backs you up. You posted a PM, so what? We all know PMs can be faked. It doesn't prove anything. In the end, it's your word against mine...and DBI's. The alignment of one of the three of us will be revealed toMorrow, and we'll see who the liar is. (Hint: It's not me.) --FCOD
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Post by Merestil Haye on Oct 6, 2009 14:40:26 GMT -5
One point from this post of Idle's is factually incorrect. 6. The Vampires in all the Conspiracy games before this had the power to kill one person that would rise from the dead a Day later and be on their side. No, they have not. The secret power of Vampires in Conspiracy 2 was... <crickets chirp> That's correct; Vampires had no secret powers whatsoever. They certainly had no recruitment by killing. C2 had no recruitment mechanic at all. Another point I disagree with. Sister Coyote had no more reason to know what you were when in Night 3 as she did to know what Julie was. The post you link to is in Day 4, and refers back to Pedescribe's claim of his results of the Witch's Night 3 action - which (of course) was made after the dawn of Day 4. That being said, I don't think Sister C enchanted Julie. If Julie is Town, then she's telling the truth about her resurrection mechanism, wich would not have cut in had Sister C enchanted her; while if she was recruited by Kat, it would have been simpler to claim she had been enchanted by Sister C rather than invoke a secret power. The unresolved issue is that there is an outstanding claim that you were killed by a Vampire. If that is true, then you must be lying about your pre-death role. If DBI turns out nonTown then we can presume she was lying for nefarious purposes; if she was Town, then it looks like you have been caught out. But we can discuss that Tomorrow.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 6, 2009 21:56:50 GMT -5
And knowing what the Vicar's role PM and results says, word for word, and having that verified, doesn't convince you, huh? It convinces me that you were town when you died. Something that, as I pointed out, I already knew. It makes no implications either way on your current status. Then it should convince you, also, that I'm a Vicar..therefore I couldn't have been killed or attacked by a Vampire. Therefore if Dot was Town, her "inconclusive" result, means it's possible to get that when something else kills as well...or, like PCM said, maybe that's what she's told when she's blocked too. Did you just miss all of my other posts? Seriously, man. FCoD killed me. Deal with it. No matter how much you try to make excuses for him or stick up for him, he killed me. I believe it without a doubt not. I have (and have posted) the PM to prove it. You can scream and yell and use large fonts (ok so you didn't do that...yet!) all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that I did not kill you. There is no proof except your word. You keep repeating yourself, but it has not and will not convince anyone unless an actual cardflip backs you up. You posted a PM, so what? We all know PMs can be faked. It doesn't prove anything. In the end, it's your word against mine...and DBI's. The alignment of one of the three of us will be revealed toMorrow, and we'll see who the liar is. (Hint: It's not me.) --FCOD Blah blah blah....how you doing today, scum? Another point I disagree with. Sister Coyote had no more reason to know what you were when in Night 3 as she did to know what Julie was. The Witchdoctor is a Day action. You PM the person to enchant in the Daytime...usually picking someone who was killed the Night right before, although one doesn't have to. Day Four, Post 42, by SisCoy: You, too, have seemed to miss how I could know, word for word, what the Vicar PMs say. Since I do, and since it has been VERIFIED by the other (verified) Vicar, how can you dismiss it? Because being a Vicar, you can read about it right in this thread in the first post: psychopathgame.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=game16&action=display&thread=1056"You are immune to attack by Vampires"
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Post by julie on Oct 6, 2009 22:07:57 GMT -5
The Witchdoctor is a Day action. You PM the person to enchant in the Daytime...usually picking someone who was killed the Night right before, although one doesn't have to. No. The Witchdoctor action is sent in at Night, and it involves enchanting someone that Night against them being killed that Night. If they are killed that Night, they will come back to life the Morning after the next Night. SisterCoyote using the regular Witchdoctor power could not choose you to be resurrected after you were dead. The secret power that I used to resurrect myself was the only way to choose someone after death to bring them back. Otherwise, they have to be enchanted the Night they die.
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Post by PrecambrianMollusc on Oct 6, 2009 22:59:52 GMT -5
if she was Town, then it looks like you have been caught out. But we can discuss that Tomorrow. I disagree - there are other options for DBI not getting a read - she could have been blocked.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Oct 7, 2009 7:39:36 GMT -5
if she was Town, then it looks like you have been caught out. But we can discuss that Tomorrow. I disagree - there are other options for DBI not getting a read - she could have been blocked. But do blocks normally look like null results?
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Post by Merestil Haye on Oct 7, 2009 8:29:57 GMT -5
if she was Town, then it looks like you have been caught out. But we can discuss that Tomorrow. I disagree - there are other options for DBI not getting a read - she could have been blocked. Who by? Detectives act during the Day, while the only public roleblockers are the Cabal, and their block is a Night action. Besides that, why would the Cabal care about a Detective? The only people who care about Detectives are the Wolves, and there is evidence that the Wolves secret power required the Alpha Wolf to attack - it's not normal for the Alpha Wolf to come out to kill on Night 1 and risk outing by a Detective. Thus it's unlikely to be a roleblock power. (In C2 the Cabal had a one-shot unpreventable Nightkill for a secret power; a Detective investigating that kill would learn "The Cabal did it" but no names.) I think we can rule out a block on DBI.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Oct 7, 2009 8:54:22 GMT -5
I disagree - there are other options for DBI not getting a read - she could have been blocked. But do blocks normally look like null results? I asked Pleo, and he confirmed that blocks do NOT look like null results. If you get blocked, you know you were blocked. --FCOD
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Oct 7, 2009 9:45:45 GMT -5
Well that simplifies things considerably.
If DBI is town, then Idle is not. If DBI is not town, then Idle is.
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Post by Pleonast on Oct 7, 2009 12:29:56 GMT -5
Rules clarification: Blocks disable all non-secret powers, including self-protective powers.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 7, 2009 14:06:21 GMT -5
The Witchdoctor is a Day action. You PM the person to enchant in the Daytime...usually picking someone who was killed the Night right before, although one doesn't have to. No. The Witchdoctor action is sent in at Night, and it involves enchanting someone that Night against them being killed that Night. If they are killed that Night, they will come back to life the Morning after the next Night. SisterCoyote using the regular Witchdoctor power could not choose you to be resurrected after you were dead. The secret power that I used to resurrect myself was the only way to choose someone after death to bring them back. Otherwise, they have to be enchanted the Night they die. Again, I refer you to the post I linked to above. She said either you or I were coming back the next Day. I think we can rule out a block on DBI. No, I don't think we can, since I happen to know, for a fact, that you're wrong. And you being so persistant about it and refusing to adknowledge the fact that I knew what the Vicar results said, exact, when they were sent, and what they were called is making me start to wonder about you, too. Well that simplifies things considerably. If DBI is town, then Idle is not. If DBI is not town, then Idle is. Wrong. If DBI is not town, Idle is. If DBI is town, Idle still is. You're being pretty fucking stupid, just so you know. You're going to lose the damn game for town, I think. Why are you ignoring all of the plain facts here that have been presented over and over? If you lose, you deserve to lose if you're going to be so bullheaded, blind, and again, stupid. Fact: Julie was killed by Kat Fact: Kat claimed Vamp Really, with this knowledge alone, nothing more needs to be said, and it's extremely dumb as a player not to obviously go for the person who was killed by the Vamp first. Fact: PCM, who is verified by you, yourself, verified I said exactly what the Vicar results say, in the PM. How could I have known that? Are you that freaking tunnelvisioned out that you are ignoring actual facts? FCoD and Julie I can see trying to make a case against me since they're obviously evil, lying scum.. MHaye, maybe...but you, why? I thought you were smarter than this. Fact: If I knew what the Vicar result PMs said, exact, chances are, very strongly, I'm a Vicar Fact: If I'm a Vicar, I cannot be attacked or killed by a Vampire. Are you still with me? Fact: Since I was not killed by a Vampire, if an inconclusive result was gotten AND Dot is town, then obviously you need to seriously freaking reevaluate how you play. Not just in this game, but all future ones lest you make a horrible mistake again.
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