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Nov 4, 2009 8:56:43 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Nov 4, 2009 8:56:43 GMT -5
Trying to get a fourth claim today, storyteller? (Not saying I have anything interesting to claim, but if you do convince people to change their votes from Chucara, it could wind up with me in the lead.) Yeah, you got me. Come on, do you really think anyone buys that? I'd like to lynch someone I think is Scum, and not someone I think is more likely than not to be a Town power role. If the cost of that is an extra claim, it's worth it.Nice smudge, though. Shores up my confidence in voting for you.
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Nov 4, 2009 8:58:03 GMT -5
Post by Renata on Nov 4, 2009 8:58:03 GMT -5
How do you make multi-post work?
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Nov 4, 2009 9:00:56 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Nov 4, 2009 9:00:56 GMT -5
How do you make multi-post work? Do you mean quoting multiple posts at one time? I don't know of a way to do that other than manually, but I'm a message board moron.
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Nov 4, 2009 9:01:16 GMT -5
Post by Renata on Nov 4, 2009 9:01:16 GMT -5
I have this weird self-destructive impulse going on with regards to you, Storyteller. Even responding to your first accusation of me was not something I usually bother doing. I can't account for it.
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Nov 4, 2009 9:02:58 GMT -5
Post by Renata on Nov 4, 2009 9:02:58 GMT -5
Yeah, that's what I mean. I click on "add quote" for a dozen posts, then it doesn't seem like there's any way to get them all to list together in the reply box. I just wasted 15 minutes putting together posts from overnight, only to lose them.
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Nov 4, 2009 9:03:43 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Nov 4, 2009 9:03:43 GMT -5
I don't know how to respond to that. Therefore, I will simply share that today, on my way to work, I saw a herd of cows sort of majestically galloping across a field. I did not know that cows could/did gallop, and my world is a little wider today than it was yesterday.
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Nov 4, 2009 9:04:48 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Nov 4, 2009 9:04:48 GMT -5
Yeah, that's what I mean. I click on "add quote" for a dozen posts, then it doesn't seem like there's any way to get them all to list together in the reply box. I just wasted 15 minutes putting together posts from overnight, only to lose them. The only way I've figured out how to do it is to do the whole thing in MS Word first, use manual quote tags, then cut and paste. It's a pain in the neck, but it gets the job done. Sorry to all for the extended mini-hijack.
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Nov 4, 2009 9:05:32 GMT -5
Post by Renata on Nov 4, 2009 9:05:32 GMT -5
Well, I laughed.
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Nov 4, 2009 9:14:18 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Nov 4, 2009 9:14:18 GMT -5
I'm very busy today and this is my only chance to post. whoops, meant to come back and got sidetracked. my bad. i put you in the wide net of wafflers. and please don't take this the wrong way. of the three in that net (my net, by the way) you are the one that seems to be the most likely to be scum. therefore, i voted for you. just because you are in the middle of this group in my experience from playing with you folks. however, we now have an additional data point. for some odd reason ped seems to want to have motivation to claim. i will play the part and let him be in the limelight. vote ped. and if he shows up with chia bingo master i will boggle. My point was that I didn't wan tot claim unless I was the vote leader... Anyway, I'm an investigator. Of sorts. Two things: 1) This is exactly the sort of soft claim that gives me no reason to change my vote. A claim either needs to provide some way of confirming the claimer's alignment or have a power so useful it's not worth the risk to lynch. This claim is neither and could easily be made by scum to delay their own lynch. 2) That is a lousy reason to vote for someone. Which matches the other lousy reasons peeker has been giving for votes.
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Nov 4, 2009 9:20:26 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Nov 4, 2009 9:20:26 GMT -5
Are you using multiple tabs when multi-quoting? Then it doesn't work - you must go to the reply page from the same tab where you added the quotes Workaround is to reply after you made the quotes in one tab, then insert them and then copy the code to your real reply. Sorry if the self-vote confused you, but why did you wait until 8 hours before deadline to make that your reason for voting for me? *sigh* I think voting for a claimed power role unless you are pretty sure (which you are not) isn't the best move, but I appear to be outnumbered. Because I went to sleep before sinjin brought it up and I next checked the thread at lunch time at work. So I couldn't have voted for you for that reason, because I hadn't that of it that way.
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Nov 4, 2009 9:41:06 GMT -5
Post by Renata on Nov 4, 2009 9:41:06 GMT -5
Okay, this is in response to Dirx and Sinjin (STEVE) regarding Chucara’s ability usage. And to Natlaw for that matter. Here’s what he said: Well, looks like Day one is drawing to an end. And as I am still vote leader, I will make good of my soft claim. I am Spike, Passenger and Vote Switcher. I will prove my power by activating it. You obviously have no way of knowing that I'm not a scum vote switcher, so you will have to lynch me eventually, which is what I said earlier. vote chucaravote BillMc(Above needed to activate ability) Chucara, please clarify how your ability works. Whenever I vote, I can change the vote of another person. I can do this only once per day. Therefore, I had to vote to change BillMc's vote. Chucara, just in case a vote count is not forthcoming, can you explain in more detail? How will your action change the vote count, exactly? BillMc will not be voting for me, he will be voting for himself. I'm rusty as mafia, but I think this is usually called a politician? In my PM, it's simply a vote switcher. I was working my memory when I commented before, but on re-checking, "Whenever I vote I can change the vote of another person" reads "by PM" to me; it seems obvious enough in the full context, though after a few tries I think I see where other people were interpreting it diferently. The only thing I was confused about was the self-vote, but I went back and checked this morning, and Chucara was already voting for Bill at the time of his claim. You can’t place a vote on someone you’re already voting for, so he switched to himself first – whatever anyone may think of his alignment, his description of his ability does make perfect sense. Responding to Natlaw now, I don’t actually know if I agree that the “more hidden than usual” aspect of Chucara’s ability makes him more likely to be Scum. If anything, following Storyteller’s argument, it makes him less likely. Because I DO think it makes him more dangerous, if he is – if he had not been forced to claim, he could easily have manipulated vote counts willy-nilly by simply placing (or changing) his own vote sufficiently close to the end of the Day. No one would have known what was happening, not even the person whose vote was affected. That’s an astonishingly strong ability. I don’t know what to do about this at this point. Even if it weren’t two other claims (plus me) competing for the lynch (though really, pedescribe “an investigator of sorts”? That’s ridiculous), it would be a tough one for me.
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Nov 4, 2009 9:42:40 GMT -5
Post by Renata on Nov 4, 2009 9:42:40 GMT -5
Are you using multiple tabs when multi-quoting? Then it doesn't work - you must go to the reply page from the same tab where you added the quotes Workaround is to reply after you made the quotes in one tab, then insert them and then copy the code to your real reply. I'm doing it all in one tab. I hit add quote on the desired posts, then hit "reply" and it just comes up with an empty reply box. What am I doing wrong?
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Nov 4, 2009 9:47:11 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Nov 4, 2009 9:47:11 GMT -5
Press the link "View Quotes" at the bottom .
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Nov 4, 2009 9:57:56 GMT -5
Post by Renata on Nov 4, 2009 9:57:56 GMT -5
The light dawns! Thank you.
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Nov 4, 2009 10:29:49 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Nov 4, 2009 10:29:49 GMT -5
The above is not why I'm voting for you. You are confusing the hell out of me. I originally voted for you, not for your early vote for Ed, but for the multiple changing reasons for that vote. Confusion about how your claimed power works has led me to leave my vote on you. I'm sorry I can't read your mind, but it now seems you are still confused about how your role works. I have to go to work. I'll try to check back in and see if anything else comes up. I'll admit that I wasn't very clear, but I never actually waivered on my reason to vote for Ed. I did it for two reasons: To get things going and because I like to vote early even if I don't have a very good reason. It gives people a chance to defend themselves in good time. I see absolutely no reason to not vote or to wait with your votes. In fact, I'd rather everyone voted from the get go and then changed votes as their minds changed. How this is scummy, I don't see. Confusing can be scummy, but then you'd have to think I was being deliberately confusing, which I was not. The confusing about my claimed power I really can't see how that makes me scummy. Again, you could've just asked. How was I to know it was confusing. I never once claimed that my powers worked the way people misunderstood them to work. If confused, ask. This is an international crowd, so there is definitely a language barrier. Again, how this makes me scummy, I fail to see. Anyway, I just got a reply and I do indeed need to vote in the post I send in my PM to CiaS. I have no idea why, and I don't know if it has any impact on the game. With only 4 hours to go and me in the lead, I don't really have any more information to give town other than I'm sure that there are 1-2 scum hiding in those voting for me. As I don't have any information about who they might be, I won't try to guess. Oh, and in the off chance that someone changes their minds: vote BillMcI still think he is likely to be scum, and no matter what, the chance that he is scum is greater than the chances for me being scum (not that I expect you to believe me at this point). I don't know if I'll be able to check back in before deadline, but if I don't, and I die, have fun - town and scum alike.
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Nov 4, 2009 10:33:20 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Nov 4, 2009 10:33:20 GMT -5
Oh one final point:
If we assume I am scum, you now know that I have the ability to change votes. I won't be able to get away with it anymore or I'll be detected. I really don't see how lynching me is worth the risk. Then again, I've been pretty frustrated with this game ever since the Special Ed incident. I blame bad parenting.
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Nov 4, 2009 10:58:19 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Nov 4, 2009 10:58:19 GMT -5
Yeah, that's what I mean. I click on "add quote" for a dozen posts, then it doesn't seem like there's any way to get them all to list together in the reply box. I just wasted 15 minutes putting together posts from overnight, only to lose them. You're about half-way there. If you look below the post entry form, you'll see the topic displayed. In teh bar at the top it says "Topic Summary | View Quotes" Click on View Quotes to view all the posts you've selected with the Multi-Quote option. Import a post by clicking on the "Import" button. You'll need to do a bit of tidying up (at the least, remove the font change code from the start) before posting it.
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Nov 4, 2009 11:08:12 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Nov 4, 2009 11:08:12 GMT -5
To get it crystal clear: You vote for player A in post X. Player B's vote is on player C. You send PM with player B and post X. Player B's vote in now locked on player A. Your vote is now on Player C, but you can move your vote.
The moderators will only post vote counts every 24h, not at request. The moderator will not post who voted who. I think this means we won't get a vote count before Dusk anymore.
The effect of this procedure is that your vote switch can go undetected until player B noticed his vote is locked. It's quite normal for a Politician to buy a vote entirely by PM, without having to perform any shenanigans whatever in the thread that might draw notice. I don't find that a reason to vote for Chucara. @ Chucara. By the way you presented your claim, you made it appear that all you needed to do to activate your power was vote for yourself then for someone else. You said nothing about sending a PM to the mods. Sinjin assumed that, because you [i[]said[/i] nothing about a PM that you did not have to send one - a not unreasonable assumption, and one that I, at least, shared. That made no sense to her, so she pushed you a bit. Now we have your explanation, things are somewhat clearer.
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Nov 4, 2009 11:10:29 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Nov 4, 2009 11:10:29 GMT -5
Oh one final point: If we assume I am scum, you now know that I have the ability to change votes. I won't be able to get away with it anymore or I'll be detected. I really don't see how lynching me is worth the risk. Then again, I've been pretty frustrated with this game ever since the Special Ed incident. I blame bad parenting. Did you really just say "if I'm scum, you shouldn't lynch me?". And if you do it in the day before Dusk it cannot be detected until too late (and really to late if it was a LyLo vote). A 'standard' town politician could also do that of course, so why is you role tweaked to be linked to your public vote? It has the effect that the vote switch could be tracked to you. I think that is a more in line with it being a scum power.
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Nov 4, 2009 11:14:44 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Nov 4, 2009 11:14:44 GMT -5
It's quite normal for a Politician to buy a vote entirely by PM, without having to perform any shenanigans whatever in the thread that might draw notice. I don't find that a reason to vote for Chucara. There are definitely vote shenanigans going on, but I'm not sure I'm willing to go so far as storyteller and advocate that no one should have an "active" vote at EoD, at least until we have additional information to go on.
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Nov 4, 2009 11:20:31 GMT -5
Post by special on Nov 4, 2009 11:20:31 GMT -5
Press the link "View Quotes" at the bottom . Yeah, that works. Though I've just taken to right clicking the "quote" tab, editing that quote in it's own little window and then copying and pasting to my one big message tab. Making sure I don't accidentally close the wrong one.
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Nov 4, 2009 11:22:35 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Nov 4, 2009 11:22:35 GMT -5
Press the link "View Quotes" at the bottom . Yeah, that works. Though I've just taken to right clicking the "quote" tab, editing that quote in it's own little window and then copying and pasting to my one big message tab. Making sure I don't accidentally close the wrong one. I have trouble figuring out how to get rid of quotes I don't decide to use. And, yeah, I usually copy and paste into notepad ++
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Nov 4, 2009 11:23:34 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Nov 4, 2009 11:23:34 GMT -5
Oh, look. A "Delete All Quotes" button.
/me feels stupid.
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Nov 4, 2009 11:25:47 GMT -5
Post by special on Nov 4, 2009 11:25:47 GMT -5
Why would a scum me want to make it harder for people to vote for who they thought was most suspicious? That was was not the motivation I gave: a scum might want to avoid pushing a bandwagon (the 'third vote' tell, although yours would have been fourth) and that you wanted to have another wagon ready since you were runner up. You question I listed in a early post as a possible pro-town motivation (forcing others to make a choice instead of jumping on a wagon). I agree. There is strong Scum motivation in this. If, as Scum, you find yourself in a close battle with a non-Scum, it's beneficial to start a 3rd wagon should the player you are close with claim. That way, there's still a choice for Town, and you don't have to claim. (or half claim, as pede has done as a sorta investigator of some variety as yet undetermined) Point 2 (and I'm catching up, there have been a lot of posts. Chucara clarified his method for switching someone's votes. But it still doesn't make sense, though Natlaw has made that case already in 315 and 321 Meanwhile, I've been thinking about the votes at Night thing. I think it would behoove us to have no active votes at Night, ever. The only way this could be accomplished is for us to do something that no Town has successfully executed: establish an early deadline. Whoever is the vote leader at this time would be designated the lynch target for the Day. We would all then switch our votes to the lynch target, who would die, leaving the vote record clear for the Night. Given the short time frame involved, t is probably impossible to institute this plan toDay, but perhaps we can discuss it toMorrow, when we may have a better idea what function is served by Night votes. That was my idea (post 221), but it didn't receive good reviews With only 4 hours to go and me in the lead, I don't really have any more information to give town other than I'm sure that there are 1-2 scum hiding in those voting for me. As I don't have any information about who they might be, I won't try to guess. Bah! Why do you think this? Because you're so desperately important that Scum have singled you out for execution? While it's possible, I mostly doubt it. Why put so much pressure on you when Scum could easily lay low. Oh, and in the off chance that someone changes their minds: vote BillMc I still think he is likely to be scum, and no matter what, the chance that he is scum is greater than the chances for me being scum (not that I expect you to believe me at this point). Why is he Scum? He's claimed too. Is it because of the 'boss of mafia thing'? Oh one final point: If we assume I am scum, you now know that I have the ability to change votes. I won't be able to get away with it anymore or I'll be detected. I really don't see how lynching me is worth the risk. Then again, I've been pretty frustrated with this game ever since the Special Ed incident. I blame bad parenting. No, if we assume you are Scum, then we can assume that some other you or some other Scum has the power to change a vote.
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Nov 4, 2009 11:26:08 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Nov 4, 2009 11:26:08 GMT -5
Oh one final point: If we assume I am scum, you now know that I have the ability to change votes. I won't be able to get away with it anymore or I'll be detected. I really don't see how lynching me is worth the risk. Then again, I've been pretty frustrated with this game ever since the Special Ed incident. I blame bad parenting. Did you really just say "if I'm scum, you shouldn't lynch me?". And if you do it in the day before Dusk it cannot be detected until too late (and really to late if it was a LyLo vote). A 'standard' town politician could also do that of course, so why is you role tweaked to be linked to your public vote? It has the effect that the vote switch could be tracked to you. I think that is a more in line with it being a scum power. I'm saying that I to some degree understand why you think I am scum. I am also saying that you aren't sure. And that you are risking a town power role on your false assumptions. I'm just asking if the pros really outweight the cons. The cons being that in less than 4 hours you'll have a dead town vote switcher. The way I play the game (not saying that I'm right) is that if I'm voting for a claimed power role in a vanilla game, I want damn good reasons to do so. I really don't see any of those. And I have no idea why my role is as it is, but it doesn't really seem more scummy to me to have to vote. Again, it might be tied to the fact that we are able to vote at night, and it might be just to make it easier for CiaS to make the vote counts. Without knowing the game setup voting for me for that reason seems.. well weak. If/when I die, take another gander at nphase post #340. I don't like how he keeps stating that the decision to vote for me is hard. It could be scum wanting an excuse Tomorrow for voting for me.
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Nov 4, 2009 11:46:31 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Nov 4, 2009 11:46:31 GMT -5
Oh one final point: If we assume I am scum, you now know that I have the ability to change votes. I won't be able to get away with it anymore or I'll be detected. I really don't see how lynching me is worth the risk. Then again, I've been pretty frustrated with this game ever since the Special Ed incident. I blame bad parenting. This post sounds like "Scum wouldn't do that". In my mind, if you are scum, all you would have to do is not use your power until some critical game changing moment.
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Nov 4, 2009 11:48:15 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Nov 4, 2009 11:48:15 GMT -5
NETA: On second look, I see that natlaw already mentioned that.
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Nov 4, 2009 11:52:37 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Nov 4, 2009 11:52:37 GMT -5
I'm about to put the fox amongst the chickens, because I'm going to do what I'm very, very opposed to without a Damn Good Reason (like, about to be lynched good). Something I've already argued against in this game.
I'm going to claim.
But I'm going to claim because Town needs to know that there is likely a third party among us.
My name is Lucy, and I am a specialist in alien life forms. There was a protean entity on the ship who I was trying to track down before we were attacked. It is possible, but unlikely, that this entity died in the attack. I have the ability to track them down, but it may take a few Nights.
Unfortunately, I have no way to prove my claim without dying or finding the alien. If I'm reading my role PM correctly, I, personally, am immune to being "controlled" by the alien.
I'm partially making this claim now to ask Scum not to kill me. You need me to find the parasitic alien as badly as Town does. I am Town, but both sides need me just at the moment.
I really, really think Town needs this information, but after my unprovoked claim in Alpha Centauri, and the fallout from that, I'm really, really skittish about it. Which is why I've waited this long.
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Nov 4, 2009 11:54:07 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Nov 4, 2009 11:54:07 GMT -5
The way I play the game (not saying that I'm right) is that if I'm voting for a claimed power role in a vanilla game, I want damn good reasons to do so. I really don't see any of those. Would you mind restating what exactly your damn good reasons for voting for BillMc are? You appear scummier and scummier all the time. How can you plead with us not to lynch a claimed power role while at the same time voting to lynch a claimed stronger power role?
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Nov 4, 2009 12:01:19 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Nov 4, 2009 12:01:19 GMT -5
The way I play the game (not saying that I'm right) is that if I'm voting for a claimed power role in a vanilla game, I want damn good reasons to do so. I really don't see any of those. Would you mind restating what exactly your damn good reasons for voting for BillMc are? You appear scummier and scummier all the time. How can you plead with us not to lynch a claimed power role while at the same time voting to lynch a claimed stronger power role? Understandable from your point of view, but from my point of view, it is better that BillMc (who I strongly suspect is scum) is dead than me (who I know is town). I'd much rather see nphase dead, but that just doesn't appear to be in the cards.
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