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Dec 11, 2009 18:44:30 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 11, 2009 18:44:30 GMT -5
and, wtf, ped you're still alive?
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Dec 11, 2009 18:48:54 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 11, 2009 18:48:54 GMT -5
Hi. Checking in, and I have no problem being the designated hammerer. The only problem I can see there is that I can only post from home, which means evening (US) hours, which could be pretty unfair to some of our European players. But I'll try to make sure whoever is under suspicion has a reasonable amount of time to defend themselves. Also, I'll say there is very likely to be recruitment in this game, as I have a power that interacts with recruitment in a manner that I will not disclose at this time. Finally, I'd like to point out that as Iron Man, I have access to the most powerful weapons that can be devised by one of the most brilliant inventive minds of our time (viz, mine) backed by the resources of a multi-billion dollar defense contractor. The opposition (per canon, anyway) is led by an octogenarian who hits people with a food-service tray. Just a thing to keep in mind, loyal Townies, in case the recruiter comes calling. uh, tom i am unsure that this was necessary at this point in time.
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Dec 11, 2009 18:52:01 GMT -5
Post by tomscud on Dec 11, 2009 18:52:01 GMT -5
What, the part about the weaponry? Everyone who reads the comics knows that. Whether it translates into anything in the game mechanics is another matter.
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Dec 11, 2009 19:03:22 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Dec 11, 2009 19:03:22 GMT -5
Tom, Do you have reason to believe that you can't be trusted beyond Day 1? second i agree with ped. i don't think that toms confirmed status as town necessarily means that he is always going to be right Who said anything about Tom being always right? Or even that he was likely to be right. Even if this plan only increases ours odds of finding scum from say 20% to 25% it still worth doing.
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Dec 11, 2009 19:15:29 GMT -5
Post by tomscud on Dec 11, 2009 19:15:29 GMT -5
So guys I'm off to a holiday party. Happy Hannukah everyone!
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Dec 11, 2009 19:19:19 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 11, 2009 19:19:19 GMT -5
Tom, Do you have reason to believe that you can't be trusted beyond Day 1? second i agree with ped. i don't think that toms confirmed status as town necessarily means that he is always going to be right Who said anything about Tom being always right? Or even that he was likely to be right. Even if this plan only increases ours odds of finding scum from say 20% to 25% it still worth doing. i agreed with you regarding toDay. because he is town i would rather him have the hammer. if tomorrow he were to be aligned differently through whatever mechanism, if it in fact exists, would you not agree that we just went from 20 - 25 to 20 - 15, everything else being equal. that's why i say for toDay good idea. tomorrow may bring a different set of data to evaluate whether that is still the percentage play.
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Day One
Dec 11, 2009 19:23:09 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 11, 2009 19:23:09 GMT -5
What, the part about the weaponry? Everyone who reads the comics knows that. Whether it translates into anything in the game mechanics is another matter. like you say, i don't place a lot of weight on canon and how it translates to game state and play. plus i have no clue what these folks are even supposed to do in cannon so you could make something totally up and i wouldn't know the diff.
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Dec 11, 2009 19:26:00 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Dec 11, 2009 19:26:00 GMT -5
When was the last game in which scum were found based on a comprehensive study of voting records? If someone hammers scum are they scum trying to be confirmed or town doing their job? Is a hammer of a townie a malicious scum or misguided townie? I do not wish to give up a shot of a Day 1 lynch for vague information that is nearly impossible to decipher. I beg to differ. My favorite (and what I'm best at) way of finding scum is voting analysis. Patterns pop up when you least expect them. The problem with a hammer vote, though, is you get a lot of people who off-the-record will say "well, I would have voted for x" which causes problems with patterns on occasion. I'm also fairly positive in the Firefly game (the first game here with a hammer, I think) Santo hammered every day for the first three Days and he was scum. Analysis of the hammer itself usually turns out minimal. I don't think designated a town hammerer is any better than just paying attention to how many votes someone has. If we can all agree to just not hammer until the target has a chance to defend themselves properly, I think that's as effective as having a known pro-town person standing by to deliver the Day end. A confirmed town should not be the sole decision maker for when to hammer. A confirmed town can think they're being pro-town, but I've seen plenty of confirmed town with their heads on backwards and sneezing snot out their bum. Nothing against you tom scud, of course. I have yet to determine if you are a bum-sneezer. ;D
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Dec 11, 2009 19:38:29 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 11, 2009 19:38:29 GMT -5
What, the part about the weaponry? Everyone who reads the comics knows that. Whether it translates into anything in the game mechanics is another matter. actually it was the recruitment statement that i thought unnecessary.
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Dec 11, 2009 19:56:17 GMT -5
Post by Hal Briston on Dec 11, 2009 19:56:17 GMT -5
also, my bad i know. can someone repost or link to story's recruitment statement. for the life of me i can't find it. i know he said something and just want to refresh. He said it here. A note, which may surprise some: there will/may be recruitment in this game. However, the recruitment mechanism is designed with my own particular prejudices in mind; I think the way it will work will be fair, balanced, and fun.
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Dec 11, 2009 20:04:10 GMT -5
Post by Drain Bead on Dec 11, 2009 20:04:10 GMT -5
I'm okay with Tom functioning as hammer if necessary, at least for toDay's purposes. I'd imagine it's been a while since many of us have been in a hammer game (my first couple on MafiaScum were hammer games, but they haven't generally been used on the SDMB so I haven't played one since), so having a confirmed Townie as the hammer will at least reduce the pile-on that might occur Tomorrow if we lynch another Townsperson toDay.
I have trouble figuring out where to begin in a game like this. In a game when everyone has a power, the role claims once people get close to the hammer threshold are going to be really fascinating. It'll be really tough to tell who is telling the truth and who is not.
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Dec 11, 2009 20:14:45 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Dec 11, 2009 20:14:45 GMT -5
Finally, I'd like to point out that as Iron Man, I have access to the most powerful weapons that can be devised by one of the most brilliant inventive minds of our time (viz, mine) backed by the resources of a multi-billion dollar defense contractor. The opposition (per canon, anyway) is led by an octogenarian who hits people with a food-service tray. This is the greatest thing ever written about Marvel Comics.
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Dec 11, 2009 21:13:30 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Dec 11, 2009 21:13:30 GMT -5
A confirmed town should not be the sole decision maker for when to hammer. A confirmed town can think they're being pro-town, but I've seen plenty of confirmed town with their heads on backwards and sneezing snot out their bum. Nothing against you tom scud, of course. I have yet to determine if you are a bum-sneezer. ;D * *This is a joke, for the humor impaired. I have trouble figuring out where to begin in a game like this. In a game when everyone has a power, the role claims once people get close to the hammer threshold are going to be really fascinating. It'll be really tough to tell who is telling the truth and who is not. That is an important point. Let's try to avoid a large cascade of role-claims toDay. [shadow=red,left,300] [glow=red,2,300]P.S. It turns out I can make stuff glow and have shadows. That is cool.[/glow][/shadow]
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Dec 11, 2009 21:23:51 GMT -5
Post by Renata on Dec 11, 2009 21:23:51 GMT -5
I don't know boo about Marvel Comics, and Tom's comment had me giggling for most of the scroll on down here. It'll be really tough to tell who is telling the truth and who is not. Isn't it always? What's different about it, just because there's a hammer? Recruitment ... blergh. What are Storyteller's "particular prejudices"?
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Dec 11, 2009 21:59:20 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Dec 11, 2009 21:59:20 GMT -5
That is an important point. Let's try to avoid a large cascade of role-claims toDay. [shadow=red,left,300] [glow=red,2,300]P.S. It turns out I can make stuff glow and have shadows. That is cool.[/glow][/shadow] Please tell me this is not another goofy soft claim and that you just learned to use the glow button, which btw doesn't show in many browsers so you're left scratching your head googling marvel characters that 'glow'.
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Dec 11, 2009 22:11:40 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Dec 11, 2009 22:11:40 GMT -5
Recruitment ... blergh. What are Storyteller's "particular prejudices"? As far as I can remember, storyteller hates recruitment based on the idea that you can spend the entire game being pro-town and nailing scum to the wall, only to end up on the losing side because of recruitment.
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Dec 11, 2009 22:17:30 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Dec 11, 2009 22:17:30 GMT -5
That is an important point. Let's try to avoid a large cascade of role-claims toDay. [shadow=red,left,300] [glow=red,2,300]P.S. It turns out I can make stuff glow and have shadows. That is cool.[/glow][/shadow] Please tell me this is not another goofy soft claim and that you just learned to use the glow button, which btw doesn't show in many browsers so you're left scratching your head googling marvel characters that 'glow'. [glow=red,2,300]It is not a goofy soft claim.[/glow]
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Dec 11, 2009 22:22:11 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 11, 2009 22:22:11 GMT -5
Recruitment ... blergh. What are Storyteller's "particular prejudices"? As far as I can remember, storyteller hates recruitment based on the idea that you can spend the entire game being pro-town and nailing scum to the wall, only to end up on the losing side because of recruitment. ding ding ding, i think we have a winner. exactly the same post i was going to make just a little more comprehensible. matter of fact i believe that story has expressed such disdain for recruitment as i understand it that if it exists in a game he will even refuse to play. so while i wouldn't put it past the bastard to have some sort of recruitment mechanism i seriously doubt it will be tag you are switch alignment.
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Dec 11, 2009 22:38:44 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Dec 11, 2009 22:38:44 GMT -5
As far as I can remember, storyteller hates recruitment based on the idea that you can spend the entire game being pro-town and nailing scum to the wall, only to end up on the losing side because of recruitment. ding ding ding, i think we have a winner. exactly the same post i was going to make just a little more comprehensible. matter of fact i believe that story has expressed such disdain for recruitment as i understand it that if it exists in a game he will even refuse to play. so while i wouldn't put it past the bastard to have some sort of recruitment mechanism i seriously doubt it will be tag you are switch alignment. Yeah. Pure speculation on my part, but here's what I think are the most likeliest possibilities: --There's a time window on the recruitment. No-one can be recruited after, say, Day 2 or something. --It's always a choice on the part of the recruitee. And I'm putting my money on the latter, personally. The official tagline for the whole series is "Whose side are you on?". And Tom implied that there was an element of choice.
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Dec 11, 2009 22:45:52 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Dec 11, 2009 22:45:52 GMT -5
and, wtf, ped you're still alive? I don't think so. NO-ONE PERFORM ANY SEARCHES UNTIL THIS IS FIXED!We've got another security leak, and it happened when I was trying to find one of Hawkmod's posts. Crud.
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Dec 11, 2009 22:50:03 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Dec 11, 2009 22:50:03 GMT -5
I would like to second ped's request. I don't know how to fix it, but there is a serious break in the Board security. Until further notice, you are all on your honor to avoid performing any searches. I'm going to ask Idle and FCoD if and how we can fix this.
Thanks.
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Dec 11, 2009 23:16:38 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Dec 11, 2009 23:16:38 GMT -5
Crisis handled. Searching may once again be performed.
If anyone has seen anything they shouldn't have seen, it is on them to please fess up.
Effective immediately, Kat will be subbing in for pedescribe.
Carry on.
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Dec 11, 2009 23:32:46 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Dec 11, 2009 23:32:46 GMT -5
Hi! I've read the Day so far, but I'm hopped up on caffeine, so I'm all goofy. I would tentatively support the Tom Scud hammer suggestion for the time being, based on the same reasoning that outed Masons often get volunteered for in-game decisions: He may not be right, but he won't be lying, so we only have to analyze his analysis for errors, not for deception or fact-twisting. Yes, we'll have to keep the recruitment possibility in mind (especially now that Tom's confirmed that it's a definite possibility, not just a "may or may not exist in the game" type of possibility), but we should be able to count on him at least for the first Day. And can we get a Player List thread up?
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Dec 11, 2009 23:35:25 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Dec 11, 2009 23:35:25 GMT -5
Anyone else amused that Tom Scud is Tony Stark?
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Dec 12, 2009 1:07:11 GMT -5
Post by special on Dec 12, 2009 1:07:11 GMT -5
Also, powers involved in the hammering in the other game? In what way? Mushroom Kingdom on this board. #rd party mason group...OK< they weren't really Masons, were they, but they were called Masons. They were the hammer borthers, and they had to be the hammer or bad things happened to them, I think.
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Dec 12, 2009 1:14:11 GMT -5
Post by special on Dec 12, 2009 1:14:11 GMT -5
On the Tom Scud hammer issue...
I guess what bothers me isn't that we're putting our trust in Tom Scud, I'm just afraid we'll lose data points.
I'm not saying mine is the correct position, I'm just hesitant to go with a plan just because it sounds good at the outset. I like that we're discussing it.
The points I see against it: 1. We can only really lynch someone that Tom Scud wants lynched. We all bring personal biases to the game, and none of us are right all the time. I can see us getting into more of a 'convince Tom Scud' game than a convince each other game. 2. I'm afraid we'll lost some accountability. It might be too easy to say, "I really wanted to vote for Player A, but Tom wasn't going to vote for him, so I put my vote on Player B" 3. I don't recall us ever moving to this strategy in other hammer games where we had a confirmed Townie. Why now?
If someone can summarize the reasons for advocating a Tom Scud-only hammer, can they list them?
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Dec 12, 2009 3:49:01 GMT -5
Post by Inner Stickler on Dec 12, 2009 3:49:01 GMT -5
Hello all. Normally, I would be all about the game but Judy Colllins' sound guy has driven me to drink and I am not in a sober state of mind. So I will give my input tomorrow if I haven't found more booze by that time. Yeehaw!
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Dec 12, 2009 3:53:47 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on Dec 12, 2009 3:53:47 GMT -5
Hi Guys,
on the recruitment topic, defo something to keep in mind. In the comics Spider-man started off pro registration and switched.
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Day One
Dec 12, 2009 4:01:46 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on Dec 12, 2009 4:01:46 GMT -5
Anyone else here from the Dope under a different name? It would be a shame for me to not have a heads up on someones play style because I didn't recognise them. I like to know where the crazy and the controlling is in games I play!
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Dec 12, 2009 4:03:53 GMT -5
Post by Inner Stickler on Dec 12, 2009 4:03:53 GMT -5
I use the same name everywhere. I'm not going to worry about recruitment at this juncture.
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