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Post by storyteller0910 on Jan 29, 2010 14:31:20 GMT -5
Going to go colorless toDay. Two reasons: (1) I am already behind in my work today, thanks mostly to arguing about Spawn over on the Dope; and (2) I need to use the typing time I can spare to discuss something else with you fine folks. So, uh -
blah blah color oh my gosh they lynched another one she seemed like a really nasty human being but once she was gone they found her credentials and it looks like they screwed up again boo Tony Stark smells like poo and his moustache is dumb sincerely Sally Floyd.
Inner Stickler, AKA SHIELD Commander Maria Hill, who was Pro-Town (Other) has been lynched via inertia. (Is this the first time a hammer has occurred via unvote)?
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Night Four begins here, and will end in a little over 48 hours (probably around 4:00PM EST on Sunday afternoon). Night actions are due by then. I'm going to have a hell of a weekend, so it's unlikely that I will end the Night prior to then even if actions are received before then.
So:
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This game seems to be on life-support. We just had less activity in eleven real-life days of Day Four then the new Dope game managed in its first twelve hours. One player who is still alive did not post at all during day Four.
Here's my question: what can we do to liven this shit up? I think we're going to have to have deadlines every Day - straightforward, five-day deadlines, as in Day Five will end on Friday at 4:00PM. Is there anything else we can do? Feedback and opinions are welcome.
Thanks, and I will return to standard color with the next Dawn post.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Jan 29, 2010 14:49:37 GMT -5
I don't know what to do about participation.
That said, Natlaw, you've got some 'splainin' to do, as your alignment HAS changed since the beginning of the game...
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Post by Natlaw on Jan 29, 2010 14:57:29 GMT -5
I'm fine with the dead line but don't what else could help. Perhaps we could mass claim, that way we don't waste the color and might rekindle some interest. Anyone who refuses (or talk out of charater) is obviously anti-registration and gets automatically lynched Tomorrow . 3 in favor of PCM (Me, Nat, MHaye) 2 in favor of IS (Sister C voted for him, MHaye is fine with his lynch) 1 abstain Hawk also was in favor of an IS lynch since he broke the tie that way.
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Post by Drain Bead on Jan 29, 2010 14:59:43 GMT -5
1. You are unusually forceful and charismatic, and while you appear to be straightforward someone attempting to analyze you will have a great deal of difficulty. Your alignment will appear to be Pro-Registration, should anyone attempt to suss it out.
2. Once per Night you may choose to protect any living player, including yourself, from harm (please note that while you are skilled and your shield is quite strong, certain attacks may be beyond your considerable ability to deflect). If you ever do successfully protect a player, this ability will be lost.
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Post by Drain Bead on Jan 29, 2010 15:00:04 GMT -5
Sorry, I forgot to type what that was. It's Hal.
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Post by Natlaw on Jan 29, 2010 15:07:15 GMT -5
That said, Natlaw, you've got some 'splainin' to do, as your alignment HAS changed since the beginning of the game... Okay, I didn't expect that. I did question your actions and your role pm didn't seem to match the deadpool bio on wikipedia (basically a killer who like surgically takse on his victim's identity which screamed cover role to me). But after reading tvtropes that didn't hold up and I started putting you in the town column. But with this obvious (to me) lie, your Inner Stickler vote and you seemed to be gunning for my lynch Tomorrow at a very possible lynch or lose!
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Post by Natlaw on Jan 29, 2010 15:16:24 GMT -5
Godfather and one shot protector, that is quite powerful. But if that means there is a vigilante there who failed to kill him Night One or Two coming to the conclusion that he was a self-protecting town doctor, but after the two town protectors coming dead decided to take him out Night Three... then I would ask you to claim.
My personal interest in that is that it leads some credit to the fact that I am not a Serial Killer (which I could have chosen, but then where are my kills?). I think it's pretty clear from luvbwfc's role PM I couldn't have chosen to side with the anti-registration, although it leaves Third Party survivor as an possible option for me.
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Post by Natlaw on Jan 29, 2010 15:33:39 GMT -5
DAY ONE VOTE COUNTluvbwfc (7): Sister Coyote [206], Hawkmod [266], drainbead [300], Inner Stickler [336], BillMC [381], Hal Briston [410], peekercpa [434] peekercpa (5): nphase [189], Merestil Haye [277], tomscud [287], Natlaw [356], luvbwfc [402] Special Ed (3): texcat [178], Total Lost/Pollux Oil [275], Special Ed [428] No vote (4): Kat!, redskeezix, Precambrian Mollusc, sinjinDAY TWO VOTE COUNTtexcat (5): Inner Stickler [28], redskeezix [52], Natlaw [146], Sister Coyote [147], peekercpa [156] peekercpa (2): BillMc [52], drainbead [64] Special Ed (2): texcat [4], Special Ed [153] drain bead (1): tomscud [132] No vote (6): Hawkmod, Hal Briston, nphase, Merestil Haye, Pollux Oil, Precambrian Mollusc DAY THREE VOTE COUNTpeekercpa (5): BillMc [1], tomscud [4], drainbead [5], nphase [38], Inner Stickler [39] Hal Briston (1): peekercpa [25] No vote (8): redskeezix, Natlaw, Sister Coyote, Hawkmod, Hal Briston, Merestil Haye, Precambrian Mollusc, Total LostDAY FOUR VOTE COUNTInner Stickler (3): tomscud [30], Sister Coyote [57], Hawkmod [116] nphase (2): drainbead [13], redskeezix [92] Mhaye (1): nphase [63] Precambrian Mollusc (2): Mhaye [80], BillMc [98] Sister Coyote (1): Inner Stickler [31] No vote (2): Natlaw, Precambrian Mollusc Hal Briston's vote chart1. luvbwfc - Bishop, Pro-Town (Other - Green Goblin Controller) - LYNCHED DAY ONE 2. Kat - Psylocke, Pro-Town (Investigative - alignment change detect, one shot if it happened) - KILLED NIGHT ONE 3. sinjin - Domino, Pro-Town (Other - 100% success action by target) - KILLED NIGHT ONE 4. texcat - She-Hulk, Pro-Town (Protective - Bodyguard) - LYNCHED DAY TWO 5. Special Ed - Penance, Pro-Town (Protective - one protect every three votes) - KILLED NIGHT TWO 6. peekercpa - Bullseye, Pro-Town (Aggressive - one shot kill to join victim's team) - LYNCHED DAY THREE 7. Pollux Oil/Total Lost - Spider Man, Pro-Town (Investigative) - KILLED NIGHT THREE 8. Hal Briston - Captain America, Pro-Scum (Other - Godfather, one shot protector) - KILLED NIGHT THREE 9. Inner Stickler - SHIELD Commander Maria Hill, Pro-Town (Other) - LYNCHED DAY FOUR - - - - - Note Sister Coyote was also on the luv and texcat lynches.
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Post by Natlaw on Jan 29, 2010 15:38:43 GMT -5
Actually, on the vigilante: there is no need to claim - especially if Hawk is right about there being a (possible scum) role blocker out there. If the vigilante did kill Captain America he knows that already. It could have been a double kill of course but it wasn't (or at least I wasn't involved).
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Post by Drain Bead on Jan 29, 2010 15:45:07 GMT -5
I'm leaning toward investigating Total Lost, since we might make hay of that "breadcrumb" post if we know more about the role. Any argument for investigating IS instead?
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Post by Drain Bead on Jan 29, 2010 15:45:57 GMT -5
Also, if I die in the morning after saying that I'm going to investigate Total Lost, you may want to act on the idea that the breadcrumb was true.
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Post by Renata on Jan 29, 2010 16:23:13 GMT -5
Godfather and one shot protector, that is quite powerful. But if that means there is a vigilante there who failed to kill him Night One or Two coming to the conclusion that he was a self-protecting town doctor, but after the two town protectors coming dead decided to take him out Night Three... then I would ask you to claim. My personal interest in that is that it leads some credit to the fact that I am not a Serial Killer (which I could have chosen, but then where are my kills?). I think it's pretty clear from luvbwfc's role PM I couldn't have chosen to side with the anti-registration, although it leaves Third Party survivor as an possible option for me. Clarify please. You could have chosen serial killer, but you're also arguing that the possible presence of a vigilante implies that there is not a serial killer.
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Post by Renata on Jan 29, 2010 16:26:52 GMT -5
Hawk looks better obviously, in the light of Drain saying that Hal was a godfather. I can still see a scenario or two in which Hawk is scum, but see no point in worrying about it with this Natlaw/SisC thing in front of us.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Jan 29, 2010 16:49:56 GMT -5
Here's my question: what can we do to liven this shit up? I think we're going to have to have deadlines every Day - straightforward, five-day deadlines, as in Day Five will end on Friday at 4:00PM. Is there anything else we can do? Feedback and opinions are welcome. Thanks, and I will return to standard color with the next Dawn post. Perhaps people would be more timely if they all had watches. Of course, since you'd be buying for 12+, you'd need to get them cheap. Now where could someone obtain cheap watches in this day and age...?
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Post by Natlaw on Jan 29, 2010 17:38:37 GMT -5
Clarify please. You could have chosen serial killer, but you're also arguing that the possible presence of a vigilante implies that there is not a serial killer. That I am not a Serial Killer. luvbwfc said the Green Goblin was town Day One, but "If [he died], the Golbin will be able to direct his own actions, and will have a chance to choose whether to retain his allegiances or strike out on his own." I read that as stay town or becomes TP/PFK, not joining scum, but decide for yourself. Note that I didn't even know I could based on my role PM. Sister Coyote says I switched alignment, which would mean I am no longer town. So then I must be either PFK (Serial Killer) or Third Party (Survivor). So far we've had two extra kills: peeker claimed Kat! when he was town, Hal Briston's death is so far unknown. So if you consider me a possible Serial Killer, I was very unlucky Night One and Two as a Serial Killer (blocked/hit protected/double target or the scum kill was) and perhaps I killed the Captain Night Three. What I actually did: Night One I passed my part of my costume to Tom Scud (remember his 'might be hazardous to target me' remark? He was scared of an simple mask ;D) Night Two I performed a delayed protection on him (shielded the next Night). Night Three I passed a communicator to you (not much use now, unless you want to tell me something off the record). So unless you believe I can do lots of things in the same Night, it means I did neither block Hawk nor kill Hal. A possible vigilante could provide the explanation if he killed the Captain as extra proof I'm not a Serial Killer. I think this is the first time I actually got counter claimed, so I guess I rushed my posts a bit . As I already posted if there is a vigilante, he doesn't have to claim. There might be none at all.
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Post by Natlaw on Jan 29, 2010 17:47:20 GMT -5
NETA: First time counter-claimed as town power role. I did get counter-claimed as fake Wolf in Conspiracy III by the actual last remaining wolf.
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Post by peekercpa on Jan 29, 2010 18:15:48 GMT -5
This game seems to be on life-support. We just had less activity in eleven real-life days of Day Four then the new Dope game managed in its first twelve hours. One player who is still alive did not post at all during day Four. Here's my question: what can we do to liven this shit up? I think we're going to have to have deadlines every Day - straightforward, five-day deadlines, as in Day Five will end on Friday at 4:00PM. Is there anything else we can do? Feedback and opinions are welcome. not game and not strategy and not much else. i don't fucking get it. story your games are the best and i don't understand. one thing you could do that would enliven this puppy: reanimate my asssee, i can even be taught to tone it down.
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Post by BillMc on Jan 29, 2010 18:27:15 GMT -5
Too many beers to think straight this evening, and reading this on the blackberry doesnt help.
Natlaw - I may be misreading what you posted, you say in your choice you could remain pro-town, but would need to be osborne, not the GG, and that would mean giving up your toys. You say you have used your toys, so you couldn't have taken this option; so that means its the second option - but you say you are not SK. Maybe this will make sense to me in the morning.
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Post by tomscud on Jan 29, 2010 19:10:23 GMT -5
I can confirm that Natlaw sent me the mask.
In other news, anyone have an opinion of what tomorrow's lynch threshold should be? Oh yeah, I'm responsible for setting that.
5 sound good? Or should we drop it to 4 or so?
I suspect Inner Stickler was probably my lieutenant, who sets the threshold if I die; if I die now it's set at a straight 50% for the rest of the game, which seems fair enough.
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Post by Renata on Jan 29, 2010 20:07:30 GMT -5
This is a false dilemma; there are other kinds of PFKs and other kinds of 3PIs you could be.
Tom, is the information you got with the mask consistent with what Natlaw says?
As for the possibility of SisC lying, I can only see the point from a scum perspective if tomorrow is likely to be LYLO. Maybe I should look at the numbers for myself.
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Post by tomscud on Jan 29, 2010 23:42:50 GMT -5
Yes, what I know is consistent with Natlaw's claims. He was able to send a message with the mas that I was shielded for night 3 though I have no idea if I actually was shielded.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Jan 30, 2010 2:34:14 GMT -5
I'm not lying. I'll happily quote story's full PM to me tomorrow when I'm on my computer and not my phone.
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Post by BillMc on Jan 30, 2010 3:57:48 GMT -5
Re-reading with my sober head on (tho I would have preferred it not to have a thumping hangover) I now understand Natlaw's claim
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Post by Sister Coyote on Jan 30, 2010 11:50:45 GMT -5
Here is my PM exactly as I received it:
So, either Natlaw is lying, or Story is. I know which my money's on.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jan 30, 2010 12:10:17 GMT -5
Here is my PM exactly as I received it: So, either Natlaw is lying, or Story is. I know which my money's on. The trouble is that there are three possibilities; Storyteller is lying, Natlaw is lying, or you are lying. Since this is not a bastard game, we can rule out the first possibility. However, only you and Natlaw 1 know whether which one of the two of you is lying. Regular Town-aligned players do not. Since your stories contradict, it's highly unlikely both of you are telling the truth, so Tomorrow's lynch should be between the two of you. Unless one of you dies first. 1If either of you are ARRs, your ARR teammates also likely know.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Jan 30, 2010 12:15:21 GMT -5
Well, I'm not lying, but of course I have no way to prove that.
There is one other possibility, of course, which is that luvbwfc was lying and Natlaw did not start out as Town. But that would just be weird.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jan 30, 2010 13:14:04 GMT -5
Well, I'm not lying, but of course I have no way to prove that. Accepted. But, if you were lying, you'd still say that. I'd have had the same conversation with Natlaw if he'd said that. There is one other possibility, of course, which is that luvbwfc was lying and Natlaw did not start out as Town. But that would just be weird. Indeed. Unless there is solid evidence to show that luvbwfc lied, I'm prepared to consider his claim proven. Since Natlaw's claim is (iirc) consistent with luvbwfc's, I doubt that GG started out nonTown.
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Post by tomscud on Jan 30, 2010 20:36:29 GMT -5
Ok, Day 5 threshold should be 51%, or 5 votes assuming there's either 1 or 2 night kills.
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Post by Red Skeezix on Feb 1, 2010 1:11:08 GMT -5
I just want to get these thoughts out here while I'm thinking about this game.
My initial read on the Sister C v Natlaw lying thing was that Natlaw was most likely the liar. My reasoning was simple -- Why would Sister C be lying, what could she gain by lying since if we lynch Natlaw tomorrow, and he comes up as town, we will just lynch her the day after. A 1-1 trade is a detriment to scum.
Then I went back and noticed something. Natlaw made his claim after Sister C did her reveal of powers. In his initial claim of Norman Osborne, he said this (he added some other commentary as well, but I think this is the most relevant):
"You can confirm the Green Goblin as luvbwfc knew he was Town Day One so if he changed alignment he's no longer town. "
Considering the fact that he was under no real pressure to claim at that point, and that the timing of his claim does make sense with his claimed motive.
If he had switched alignments, would he have made that claim, or remain in anonymity, especially considering the possibility that someone would be able to find him out at the day's end? At this time no, I think he would have remained anonymous, the timing and his comments strongly suggest that he was claiming so that he could be confirmed.
So that leaves me with the opinion that Sister C started this dance in the hopes of building credit, or waving off others who might give more credence to IS's case against her. When Natlaw claimed, she would be pressed into either confirming a town player, by saying that he didn't lie OR taking a gamble on whether he was lying or not. If we are at lylo tomorrow, then it's a fair gamble, since it's usually the original claimant who gets lynched and not the counter.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Feb 1, 2010 6:15:38 GMT -5
Sorry, y'all... things got hectic and everyone who lives in my house other than me got sick, so I didn't get to start Day Five last night. Will do it as soon as I get to work, or in about 90 minutes.
Thanks for your patience.
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