Merestil Haye
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Post by Merestil Haye on Feb 5, 2010 11:28:52 GMT -5
Is anyone other than me and PCM not voting now? I don't have a vote. After the posts of the last hour or so, I think I'm going to reread the posts of Natlaw and Sister Coyote and see which one comes up smelling of roses. Then lynch that one, because Town don't mind getting down and dirty as much as the ARRs do.
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Post by Drain Bead on Feb 5, 2010 11:28:58 GMT -5
And you're 100% sure of this? Not 100%, but this morning's shenanigans lean me in that direction, so I wanted to extend the deadline if at all possible. It's a WIFOM game at this point. I don't know why people would vote you into a tie that you were then going to break in the opposite direction. It doesn't make sense and I want more time to try to parse it out. Having tried to parse it out in this post, though, and being unable to make sense of this in any other way, I think I'm going to revote. Vote: Sister Coyote
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Post by Natlaw on Feb 5, 2010 11:35:01 GMT -5
Yes, a salvaged pumpkin one:
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Post by Sister Coyote on Feb 5, 2010 11:47:17 GMT -5
Awesome
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Post by storyteller0910 on Feb 5, 2010 12:15:15 GMT -5
OK. The voting is close, and therefore if no one achieves the five vote threshold, we need a precise time-of-Day end. Therefore, the Day will end promptly at 3:00PM EST if there is a vote leader at that time, or continue until a vote leader appears if there is not. The vote count is as follows:
Sister Coyote - 4 (redskeezix, drainbead, tomscud, Natlaw) Natlaw - 3 (Sister Coyote, nphase, BillMc)
Fascinating, this stuff.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Feb 5, 2010 13:41:47 GMT -5
I've started rereading the posts of Natlaw and Sister Coyote, because those are the only two people who might practically be lynched Today. I'm behind schedule for an 8pm lynch.
I'd like to remind everyone that, although Today the focus is on those two, PCM heads my suspicion list.
So I'm going to replace my vote, then get back to a comparison of our two players who are apparently contradicting each other.
Vote: Precambrian Mollusc
I fully expect to change this vote in the next 70 minutes.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Feb 5, 2010 14:53:46 GMT -5
Natlaw or Sister Coyote? Natlaw started the game with a pro-Registration alignment (see post D01.421.) For that not to be true, we would therefore have a Mod who gave out false information in PMs, and that is not the way Storyteller works. (He believes, as I understand it, that a player needs to know the way his or her power works.) This assumes, of course, that Natlaw's claim of being the GG is in fact true. I it isn't, who is? Now, reading Natlaw's Day 1 posts I had to remind myself that he was in fCt Town a couple of times; in particular over his justification for his “let's-move-the-Day-on” vote (see D01.291) cleared things for me. At the time I had thought that had a whiff of ARR motivation about it, but I was not right, as events have shown. Natlaw's explanation of his vote does satisfy me. My impression of Sister Coyote's Day 1 was, on the whole, positive; that is, I formed a Townie impression from them. On to Day 2. Sister Coyote begins to ping me a bit. First, she places a vote for Texcat, in the same post that she says she's not prepared to vote her. That was just odd. Then, after tom scud notes that Sister C's vote pushes Texcat to the brink of being hammered, Sister Coyote admits in D02.151 that (a) she knew that and (b) she decided not to say it. Effectively, if someone hadn't done then vote counting they could have dropped the hammer without realising it, drawing the opporobrium down onto their head that that Peeker later caught for hammering deliberately. That sort of behaviour makes my teeth itch. Point one suggesting Sister C might be nonTown. I had no feeling one way or another on whether Natlaw changed sides. Day 3. Natlaw made one post, when he said he was “ok with a Peeker lynch.” He didn't vote to avoid the Day ending early; but it did anyway. Sister Coyote, other than a discussion with nphase and I on what would happen if I was discovered to be the Green Goblin, didn't really say much either. I'd like to review Day 4 and 5 before placing a vote, especially since those are the Days where the claims got put in, but 10 minutes is not long enough to do that. At this point, Sister Coyote has one thing making me think she may be an ARR, while Natlaw has opportunity, but no real pointers. I can live with a lynch of Sister Coyote, but would rather take some extra time to make sure, If I vote for Natlaw, I put us in a tie which will give me some extra time, unless someone decides to unvote for some strange reason. If they do, and we lose, I'll be cross. Unvote: Precambrian Mollusc Vote: Natlaw This vote is purely to force us into sudden-death overtime. I don't expect to need more than another couple of hours for the last two Days. Anyone unvoting either without a strong reason will make me very suspicious.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Feb 5, 2010 15:03:24 GMT -5
In my defense, when I said I wasn't sure if I should point out I was putting us at hammer -1 or not I was thinking that pointing it out would allow someone to drop the hammer before everyone was ready, not because I was thinking that I could "stealth" someone into dropping the hammer inadvertently.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Feb 5, 2010 15:21:53 GMT -5
Sudden death overtime is underway.
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Post by Drain Bead on Feb 5, 2010 15:34:56 GMT -5
Ugh. I didn't want a tie. Scum controls a tie.
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Post by Drain Bead on Feb 5, 2010 15:37:13 GMT -5
If you're Town, read fast, MHaye.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Feb 5, 2010 16:40:59 GMT -5
Natlaw or Sister Coyote Part II : Days Four and Five. Day 4 was the Day of Claims. Sister Coyote claimed in D04.057 that she had a Day action to investigate change-of-alignment status. While I know first-hand that one of her statements is true (because I have not changed alignment) I was a little puzzled about why she chose Tom Scud for investigation in Day 1. Since we knew that Tom was pro-Registration at the start of the Day, for that to be a meaningful result, there would have had to be a Day recruiting power. This seems as unlikely now as it did on Day 1. I cannot see that this is a pro-Town action; Tom would be the target of choice if you were making stuff up, because of all of us he's the least likely person to change sides in Day 1. On the other hand, this only makes sense as a power of the ARRs if the recruitment power wasn't in the hands of the ARRs, or has a precondition such as “the player cannot have already changed sides” attached. I have to say that the choice of Tom for Day 1 is a pointer suggesting a fake claim. Sister Coyote posted her PM in D04.060. Nothing to note here that the power claim hasn't already covered. Natlaw claimed in D04.071. He did so to put Sister Coyote to the test. This makes no sense to me if Natlaw has in fact changed sides (whether he is the Green Goblin or not), since he he knew that we know the role he is claiming started as Town, and if he has changed sides he must have become notTown, except in a few odd cases, the most obvious of which are that Natlaw knows (or believes) that Sister Coyote is in fact lying in her claim. The most obvious way is if Sister Coyote and Natlaw are both ARRs, and this is a bid to set one of them up with massiv Town cred by sacrificing the other. However, if that's right it doesn't matter which one we lynch; just that we bear that in mind Tomorrow. If Natlaw and Sister Coyote are on different sides though, I would say this makes me think Natlaw is more likely to be Town. On to Night 4, and the point of divergence. N04.001, Sister Coyote claims Natlaw has changed alignment. There is not much of significance in the remainder of the Night. Day 5. I have to say that D05.003 doesn't really add up, given Sister C's policy on liars, which she has stated in this game; see D01.214. Given that position, and she has just claimed Natlaw lied, why was she not voting Natlaw? The obvious answer is that she knows he did not, or has no information because she's been making her claim up out of whole cloth. That she voted later is not relevant; if she really knew that Natlaw had lied, she would not have hesitated one minute, let alone 2½ hours. That, on top of everything else, means I would prefer to lynch Sister Coyote over Natlaw. To achieve that, all I have to do is Unvote: Natlaw . Vote: Sister Coyote
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Post by Natlaw on Feb 5, 2010 16:49:42 GMT -5
Thanks. There should be time for a cup of tea to calm my nerves until Storyteller continues the game. Seriously another couple of hours... you must have got nerves of steel (and you're aren't Iron Man even ). I don't think the 'hammer without deadline' has worked that well, but I do like the hammer with sudden death style.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Feb 5, 2010 17:14:12 GMT -5
sigh
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Post by tomscud on Feb 5, 2010 19:11:42 GMT -5
Well. That was an interesting last day, after I figured things were likely settled yesterday. I was kind of hoping to find out whether the game was going on to Day 6, since I think we're probably at LyLo. Guess I'll find out when I get home again later this evening.
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