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Post by storyteller0910 on Feb 1, 2010 8:56:34 GMT -5
E-mail, intercepted August 6
Transmission Log: Mail intercepted - 08.06.2009, 1:43 GMT Status - Undelivered From - Benjamin Urich (bu2487@att.net) To - J. Jonah Jameson (jj@bugle.com)
JJ -
Fuck me, man. I’ve had it. Another one dead, this morning. A girl, real quiet, kept to herself. Somebody blew a hole in her big enough to flip a basketball through it. For some reason, hardly anybody had noticed her. She wasn’t carrying shit – no ID, no credentials, no money, no weapons. Just some kind of weird mask, that… changed her… made her look different. They found her body out in the courtyard, pulled off the mask. Stark was there. Nobody knew who the hell she was except Stark. He wasn’t doing too well with it. I wanted to get a picture of him, kneeling over that body with that plastic mask in his hand and tears on his face, but I didn’t. Sorry, JJ; it seemed disrespectful.
So now we’re down to less than half of what we had before. I think Floyd’s gone native; I haven’t seen hide or hair of her four two days. The masks are gathered out in the courtyard; nine little Indians, all in a circle. Me? I’m beginning to wish they’d just shove me through the door into their Magic Prison. Rogers is gone, but his people are still out there, and it feels like a noose is closing.
Hawkmod, AKA The Black Widow, who was Pro-Town (Investigative), has been killed.
Ben
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Day Four begins here.
The vote threshold has been set at 51%, which means it will require five votes to complete a lynch. The Day will continue until any player receives a fifth vote; the Day ends immediately at the timestamp of the fifth vote. You may continue to discuss anything you wish thereafter if I am not around to immediately end the Day, but no votes or unvotes posted after the fifth vote will count. If no player has five votes by 3:00PM EST on Friday, February 5, the Day will end automatically at that time with the vote leader lynched; if there is no vote leader at that time, the Day will extend until there is one.
If you have a Day action, it must be PMed to the moderator before the fifth vote is placed on any player or before 3:00PM on Friday, February 5.
Good luck!
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Post by Drain Bead on Feb 1, 2010 9:03:12 GMT -5
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Post by Drain Bead on Feb 1, 2010 9:20:13 GMT -5
So, I think Total Lost's breadcrumb clears me, at the very least--not that many of you were suspecting I wasn't Town at this point, I'd imagine, but I'll take what I can get.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Feb 1, 2010 11:47:11 GMT -5
Well, nerts.
Natlaw has apparently lied about his alignment changing. But I'm not sure I'm prepared to vote for him. He could be third-party survivor now, for one thing.
Not sure what to do.
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Post by Natlaw on Feb 1, 2010 14:10:30 GMT -5
So, I think Total Lost's breadcrumb clears me, at the very least--not that many of you were suspecting I wasn't Town at this point, I'd imagine, but I'll take what I can get. Not really 100%, it might mean she watched you. But your power reveals pretty much leave no doubt you got the actual power. It doesn't really confirm your alignment, although I do think the power makes more sense in the hands of town though. To quote again: 1. She watched nphase kill sinjin (meaning she knew peeker wasn't responsible) N1? 2. She watched drainbead investigate N1? 3. She watched SC investigate N2? But she claimed a Day action... 4. She watched NBC N1/N2? It doesn't match up, so they can't be all results. I'm leaning on 2 + 4 being actual results as the seem the most clear, the other two just impressions of nphase's and SC's play. On a other note: Hawkeye breadloaf was a result and he tried to deflect the suggestion he was an actual investigator. I don't see an other posts that could be crumbs, I guess I investigated someone Night One who got killed. It does mean there is very likely an anti-town role blocker. So anyone got blocked last Night?
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Post by Red Skeezix on Feb 1, 2010 14:11:13 GMT -5
Well, nerts. Natlaw has apparently lied about his alignment changing. But I'm not sure I'm prepared to vote for him. He could be third-party survivor now, for one thing. Not sure what to do. This looks like you are not willing to stand by your claim. You claim to get info about whether or not someone has changed alignments. Natlaw says he hasn't, you say he has. If you are town, then you have 100% confirmation that Natlaw is lying. Why the reluctance to vote for him? Natlaw has said his choices in changing were between Serial Killer and Town Inventor. He does not mention Survivor. He could have mentioned Survivor as a choice if he is lying to downplay the meaningfulness of your results. However, he has not done so. This reluctant attitude, combined with the order in which the claims were made strongly suggests to me that you are lying. Vote: Sister Coyote @drain: While I am not currently very suspicious of you, Total Lost's comments do not put you into the clear. If I accept them as a breadcrumb, based on your own information the most they reveal is that you are in fact a coroner.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Feb 1, 2010 14:16:14 GMT -5
I'm not lying. I'm just not most suspicious of Natlaw.
If you kill me, you kill Town. That's that.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Feb 1, 2010 14:20:53 GMT -5
In fact, to clarify, there are a few options for Natlaw's alignment change, although he says his alignment hasn't changed and the Mod says it has.
1: Natlaw started Town and is now Third Party 2: Natlaw started Town and is now Scum 3: Natlaw started Third Party and is now Town 4: Natlaw started Third Party and is now Scum 5: Natlaw started Scum and is now Third Party
I don't, however, believe he could have started Scum and now be Town. The thing is, the only information I get from the mod is that there has been a change. That would be why I hesitated on voting Peeker or defending him; he could have gone Town or Scum, and his claim would have worked either way.
Thing is, though, Natlaw did lie about his alignment changing according to the information I got from the mod. And thus you're right; I should vote him on my Lynch All Liars theory.
Vote: Natlaw
That said, however, there are a couple of other people -- including you -- who I want to look at more closely.
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Post by Drain Bead on Feb 1, 2010 15:01:58 GMT -5
Vote: Sister Coyote
For the stuff pointed out so far in this Day's thread, plus her attempts at saying that Townie luv could be lying.
I do want to point out, however, that if SC comes up Scum, it doesn't necessarily exonerate Natlaw. This could be a well-orchestrated Scumfight.
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Post by Natlaw on Feb 1, 2010 15:12:33 GMT -5
This is a false dilemma; there are other kinds of PFKs and other kinds of 3PIs you could be. I used PFK/Serial Killer and TP/Survivor meaning 'stealing the win' resp. 'winning with winners'. Not mentioning 'win with scum' because I think luvbwfc role PM pretty much rules it out as evidence. And if I didn't change alignment it would be 'win with town' which Sister Coyote claim is no longer true. So that leaves the first two so no false dilemma or am I missing something? In fact, to clarify, there are a few options for Natlaw's alignment change, although he says his alignment hasn't changed and the Mod says it has. 1: Natlaw started Town and is now Third Party 2: Natlaw started Town and is now Scum 3: Natlaw started Third Party and is now Town 4: Natlaw started Third Party and is now Scum 5: Natlaw started Scum and is now Third Party I don't, however, believe he could have started Scum and now be Town. The thing is, the only information I get from the mod is that there has been a change. That would be why I hesitated on voting Peeker or defending him; he could have gone Town or Scum, and his claim would have worked either way. You still think luvbwfc was lying when he claimed I was Town Day One?
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Post by Natlaw on Feb 1, 2010 15:15:01 GMT -5
What are your reasons to read 'strike out on his own' as 'could join with scum'?
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Post by Natlaw on Feb 1, 2010 15:16:04 GMT -5
I meant to quote drainbead there: I do want to point out, however, that if SC comes up Scum, it doesn't necessarily exonerate Natlaw. This could be a well-orchestrated Scumfight.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Feb 1, 2010 15:23:23 GMT -5
No, I do not think luvbwfc was lying when he said you were Town. I was just pointing out that, from how my power works, any of those five (or six if you count the one that makes me laugh) possibilities are options on the board.
I think you're lying when you say your alignment hasn't changed, because the mod told me it had, and I have to trust the mod.
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Post by BillMc on Feb 1, 2010 17:44:52 GMT -5
So one death - either Hal was killed by someone with a one off kill, someone failed to kill or was IS the town vig and killed Hal? With 9 alive, and assuming scum have recruited, it is probably 5-4 - if PCM doesn't put in an appearance we are pretty much at lylo. 1. She watched nphase kill sinjin (meaning she knew peeker wasn't responsible) N1? 2. She watched drainbead investigate N1? 3. She watched SC investigate N2? But she claimed a Day action... 4. She watched NBC N1/N2? Total subbed in on Day 3, and was killed N3; Pollux was MIA Day2/Night2, so in all likelihood Total only inherited Pollux's N1 result. So if those are breadcrumbs, rather than conjecture, only 1 of them could be based on concrete evidence. If the breadcrumb is confirmation of Drain, then the rest are just conjecture. That said, the information Drain has provided is pro-town, so I would think it is unlikely that he would be scum. The Natlaw v SisC is interesting. At least one of them is lying, and both felt the need to claim Yesterday. Tom, SisC and Hawk voted IS; so two town voting for Town, and the trigger was pulled on IS by Natlaw unvoting PCM. I think I need to re-read of Natlaw and SisC's interactions
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Post by Merestil Haye on Feb 1, 2010 19:44:18 GMT -5
I've been pondering when to claim responsibility for my one successful action. I think I need to put the information out, because my power is odd. The action has caused a lot of speculation already, none of it anywhere near the mark. I'd have posted this last Night if I hadn't been HARPing.
I killed Hal.
I dropped a slight hint as to the way my power works Yesterday, when I said my character considered herself a killer's killer. That's because, of a Night, I can choose to stalk someone. If that person is killed, I kill the killer.
I chose to stalk Total Lost N3, because as I was reading the N3 thread, she struck me as pushing to get people to take positions, to open up conversations. I thought to myself "The ARR's like it quiet. maybe they'll off Total Tonight, and I can catch one in the act." So I stalked her, and sure enough, up popped Hal, and broke Total's neck with that overrated shield of his.
So I set about demonstrating that pre-WW2 tech shields are no problem for someone equipped with 12" long adamantium claws instead of the more conventional fingers. (Or so my PM says.)
I don't have a protective role, and could not have saved Total (or any of my stalking subjects.)
So that's the how and why of Hal's death. You could say he committed suicide - if he'd been content to stay at hope by the fire with his pipe, he'd still be alive now.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Feb 1, 2010 20:20:55 GMT -5
Well. That's interesting.
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Post by BillMc on Feb 2, 2010 6:12:52 GMT -5
So I set about demonstrating that pre-WW2 tech shields are no problem for someone equipped with 12" long adamantium claws instead of the more conventional fingers. (Or so my PM says.) Sounds like wolverine, but I don't recall wolverine having anything to do with nanites.
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Post by tomscud on Feb 2, 2010 8:34:15 GMT -5
So I set about demonstrating that pre-WW2 tech shields are no problem for someone equipped with 12" long adamantium claws instead of the more conventional fingers. (Or so my PM says.) Sounds like wolverine, but I don't recall wolverine having anything to do with nanites. No, wolvie has fingers AND claws. There's a female character who meets this description, but I don't remember her name; I think Wolverine fights her in the lab in the second X-men movie. Also, I will put together a post about SisC vs. Natlaw this evening.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Feb 2, 2010 10:45:37 GMT -5
Sounds like wolverine, but I don't recall wolverine having anything to do with nanites. No, I'm not Wolverine. Not in this game, anyway. That was Skrull Planet... No, wolvie has fingers AND claws. There's a female character who meets this description, but I don't remember her name; I think Wolverine fights her in the lab in the second X-men movie. Lady Deathstrike perhaps? This is what Storyteller had to say about her. We then get discussions about nanites, which the fascist SHIELD organisation implanted in me, and the loss of the control that they had (and presumably will have again, once this time is over.)
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Post by BillMc on Feb 2, 2010 10:57:32 GMT -5
No, wolvie has fingers AND claws. There's a female character who meets this description, but I don't remember her name; I think Wolverine fights her in the lab in the second X-men movie. Ah yes, I remember her now - was supposed to by Deathstrike according to the movie credits. According to wikipedia: "Lady Deathstrike - She is among the multiple villains who are being controlled by the Government's Control Nanites to fight the Anti-Registration Heroes."Tho on Day 2 MHaye said the control of his nanites was broken "I was casting doubt on luvbwfc's claim because (a) my character has been injected with nanites to control their actions, just as luvbwfc claims that GG was injected with nanites to control his (ie the GG's) actions, and that he (luvbwfc) was the GG's controller and could exercise control of the GGs action through nanites, whereas my control is broken. It no longer works."
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Post by BillMc on Feb 2, 2010 10:58:23 GMT -5
ah cross post
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Post by Renata on Feb 2, 2010 13:33:11 GMT -5
Drain, I know from experience that you will say things like this when you are town, but geez: So, I think Total Lost's breadcrumb clears me, at the very least--not that many of you were suspecting I wasn't Town at this point, I'd imagine, but I'll take what I can get. First, the "breadcrumb" is in no way confirmed to be as much, and your own quoting of TL's PM all but proves it. TL did not have four nights available to get all of those "results". Was it you who brought this up as a possible set of breadcrumbs in the first place? I can't remember. Second: why are you ignoring recruitment? We have two confirmed town roles strongly suggesting that there is traditional recruitment in the game; even if you began the game as town, there is no guarantee at all that you are still town. Why are you trying to claim town credit that you don't rightfully possess? On another topic: did anyone receive anything from Natlaw last night? @ Natlaw: I don't at all follow your reasoning regarding TL's statements. Why again are the ones regarding me and SisC suspect as breadcrumbs and the other two not? MHaye's claim makes sense of everything except his posting style, which I still regard as unusually content-free.
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Post by Drain Bead on Feb 2, 2010 14:58:08 GMT -5
Until I see evidence to the contrary, I think that "recruitment" is not the typical "Scum picks a player and they change sides" recruitment. As the game goes on and I get more and more info about roles, I tend to think that recruitment is based in the actual roles themselves--roles that can switch sides if controllers die, roles who have to kill to pick a side. Remember, the tagline of this game involves choice. My role says exactly bupkus about recruitment, so I'm guessing that will never be an issue for me. I've been an open Town power role this whole game and nobody's come a-knockin', which further cements the idea in my head. How much fun could Scum have with me if they could recruit me? I could just make shit up!
I don't think I was the first to bring up Total Lost's post as a potential breadbasket. Can't remember who did, though.
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Post by Natlaw on Feb 2, 2010 15:31:12 GMT -5
How much fun could Scum have with me if they could recruit me? I could just make shit up! I don't think I was the first to bring up Total Lost's post as a potential breadbasket. Can't remember who did, though. But would your shit be as good as Story's? I was the one who brought up Total Lost's post when she was revealed as investigative. @ Natlaw: I don't at all follow your reasoning regarding TL's statements. Why again are the ones regarding me and SisC suspect as breadcrumbs and the other two not? The only way I can see she has watched you and came to the conclusion you knew peeker killed Kat! was if you killed sinjin - but then she would have claimed that openly. So it makes more sense that she just agreed with special ed's case. I can see her (or actually Pollux) watching drainbead to check if she actually had the power she claimed. If she watched Sister Coyote perform a Night action that would put another nail in her coffin. But I've been rereading SC and I think TL simply was referring to the fact that SC tried to start more conversation than others. As also pointed out there might not have been any watching N2 with Pollux away. The last seems to indicate that she watched PCM do nothing, because the sentence seems to more clearly indicate it, I lean to accept this one more like a result like point two.
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Post by Natlaw on Feb 2, 2010 15:39:46 GMT -5
We then get discussions about nanites, which the fascist SHIELD organisation implanted in me, and the loss of the control that they had (and presumably will have again, once this time is over.) Any reason you didn't post it in full? I would like to compare it to mine. What are everyone's thoughts on mass claiming Today? If we are really at lynch or lose then I see no reason not too. I'm not entirely convinced that we are - it means either five scum at the start or a recruitment. On the other hand if we are not it means we would have five total mislynches (not sure peeker count) which does seem more that enough especially with the Night kills not that crazy. But I've underestimated the number of scum before (in Super!Smash!Bros! IIRC) so I think it's better to be save than sorry. Also we already got two dead town protectors and investigators each.
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Post by Drain Bead on Feb 2, 2010 18:20:57 GMT -5
I am in favor of a mass claim at this point, I think.
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Post by tomscud on Feb 2, 2010 18:50:05 GMT -5
Don't see much point in a full claim today, since probably either Natlaw or SisC will likely hang, and we already have their claims.
I think a full claim tomorrow, assuming Town is still alive, is a good idea.
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Post by tomscud on Feb 2, 2010 18:50:37 GMT -5
Probably will likely. I am a good writer who writes well.
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Post by tomscud on Feb 2, 2010 18:54:10 GMT -5
Just as a placeholder, I'm going to quote luvbwfc's post here:
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Post by tomscud on Feb 2, 2010 18:57:25 GMT -5
Also
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