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Sept 24, 2010 7:51:14 GMT -5
Post by timmy on Sept 24, 2010 7:51:14 GMT -5
So now the Mime wants to remain in the game? Ehhh.
unvote Marcel
I wasn't happy with his wish to remove himself, and now I ain't happy that he wants to stay. Not my nature to be forgiving. But he might be useful.
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Sept 24, 2010 7:58:40 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Sept 24, 2010 7:58:40 GMT -5
I'm in the vote lead, and I'll be at work all day with no access to this board. So I have no other choice but to claim: I'm mason #2. Curious George can confirm me. yepper pepeper, he is indeed a mason.
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Sept 24, 2010 8:02:14 GMT -5
Post by timmy on Sept 24, 2010 8:02:14 GMT -5
Some thoughts on the game.
What if there are no Scum? What if we have a game that is comprised of good Townspeople, and it comes down to the last player standing to win the game? We lynch the most unpopular player by Day, and at Night those with killing powers do their thing. Only by reveals at death will we know alignments. Could be all are aligned on same team. Doesn't rule out possibility of 3rd party SK. In previous Blockey Halloween, I was a 3rd Party SK/Werewolf. I can't remember but I think there weren't Scum in that game. Have to ask other players, been so long ago.
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Sept 24, 2010 8:18:24 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Sept 24, 2010 8:18:24 GMT -5
the only issue that i have with the folks asking about a no scum game is then why in the world would we have a block of masons or claimed investigators. i mean what would be the point if everyone else was a town power role or some variation of such. i mean at some point everyone becomes confirmed town and then you just kill puffy and vote no lynch and stalemate ensues.
visions of a quantom variation dancing in my head.
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Sept 24, 2010 8:26:19 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Sept 24, 2010 8:26:19 GMT -5
I played in a blockey game - I think it was a blockey game - Spooky House, was the name - where there were no Scum, just two or three PFK and a bunch of highly paranoid Town. So a no-Scum game is theoretically possible.
But it seems like an unsupported guess right now. We have a certain-truthful reveal of exactly one player; we're not anywhere near a place where we need to start considering possibilities as exotic as a no-Scum game? Some of the claimants may well be lying, you know... in fact, it seems kind of likely.
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Sept 24, 2010 8:27:52 GMT -5
Post by timmy on Sept 24, 2010 8:27:52 GMT -5
Didn't say it made sense. Just saying it could be possible.
When was the last time you saw a game where two Cops and two Vigs claimed so early?
Until things change to reveal otherwise, I'll play it as a regular game.
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Sept 24, 2010 8:37:50 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 24, 2010 8:37:50 GMT -5
I never thought I'd be the first to suggest considering a mass-claim, but...maybe?
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Sept 24, 2010 8:38:24 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Sept 24, 2010 8:38:24 GMT -5
So now the Mime wants to remain in the game? Ehhh. unvote MarcelI wasn't happy with his wish to remove himself, and now I ain't happy that he wants to stay. Not my nature to be forgiving. But he might be useful. ::: Runs a distance into an open area of the room, stops short, and windmills his arms for balance ::: While I did want to go out, to the point that I voted for myself. The reaction I got from it was orders of magnitude greater than I thought. And again, the post restriction really put a wrench into my plan. I think tonight is going to suck. But I don't really have any say so in the matter. That's the long and the short of it. You aren't free to see your "moves" in mafia reach the conclusion you want it to have. Town might be free to vote themselves, but they are conscripted to unvote later. Conscription sucks. And I'm not even a compulsory vig. [or a vig at all.] I will take the heat for doing something stupid. Indeed it was stupid, should I not stop it as soon as I could? Not stopping it [That is, failing to unvote myself] would be stupiderer. Yes. Stupiderer. ------- ::: points to a few people at complete random. Karate chops the air right in front of his finger each time he points :: Can a Mod WIFOM ?
Assume for argument that indeed there are no Vanillas. Wouldn't the EMP be most effectively used on night 1 ? I still contend that stopping the greatest number of powers is the BEST use of an EMP over debating when to use it later. Zero is still zero. Adding a positive while in a big enough hole [[ That is, in terms of what team is leading. ]] still leaves a hole. The question now is : How did Blockey start building this game? Do all the parts have a reason to exist? FWIW : My power had built in color in regards to my role. Who where didn't think Columbo for example wouldn't be a Dick?
Could Death of Rats be a PFK ? Open speculation.No votes will be made this post. If the entire game was built this way, as I think it was, it might shed light on the fact that indeed everyone must have some power. I am just saying that if the "Game" was made after a good look at the players, we just might be overstuffed in regards to power. Perhaps that might play into the 2 vig claims. Do Post Restrictions, even ones that are ..... minor figure into balance? I think the EMP for THIS GAME was best used early. I just wonder what the biggest threat is going in to tonight. Throwing out my Vig arguement, we still have the possible threat of PFK or a full fledged third team. Yes, I think the EMP was of good use night 1. We need to off something that hurts town. Scum of course would be nice. but something beyond a scum NK -- thats accepted as a normal night. Doesn't the EMP being spent increase in value if we off someone capable of something beyong a fractional NK?* * In my experience, one scum on the scum team must do the killing. This choice can change per night. Hence, I am arguing that each scum on their own, is capable of a fractional night kill. In essecence, the fractional pieces of the nk are all collected in the scum board, and handed to one player. I hope I made that clear.
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Sept 24, 2010 8:38:42 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Sept 24, 2010 8:38:42 GMT -5
I've played i a lot of mini modded by Mister Blockey. So as far as "everything is possible" I agree.
However we almost just did a game with no-scum (was even told by the mods before the game began) so I don't think it very likely that we would have a no-scum-game. I just don't buy that theory.
As pointed out by Peeker. What use would a group of masons do os if there were no scum?
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Sept 24, 2010 8:45:08 GMT -5
Post by Mahaloth on Sept 24, 2010 8:45:08 GMT -5
Quick note on Zedd: I dislike his Marcel vote just as the others and his claim does seem more likely scum investigator to me as well (in fact it reminds me of make fake claims to complex like I usually do - my not just a simple power investigator? Hey, I wasn't a big fan of my vote on Marcel, but we most our Day 1 and 2 votes aren't great. I was calling him on his bluff. Anyway, I have no idea why my role is the way it is. I'd post my role PM if I was allowed. It just says stuff along the lines of reading the clouds is somewhat useful and that I'm a weak cop and am aligned with Town. I have to keep my vote on Batman because it seems likely that we only have one detective on our team(me). I'm wondering if it is possible that Town has a bunch of weak power roles, while the scum have more powerful standard roles. I know I'm the Town detective, but I have a weaker version of it. This would make Batman the scum one.
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Sept 24, 2010 8:47:59 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Sept 24, 2010 8:47:59 GMT -5
::: Rasies a finger, as if to interrupt the dozen or so conversations. ::
Halloween is 5 weeks away. The game has been running for a week or so.
Are we looking at 6 individual threats, in grand total, to have the game end "" on time "" ?.
Notice I didn't say Scum, I said threats. In total.
::Shrugs. digs in an invisible pocket, pulls his hand out, and tosses two pennies, one at a time a short distance away. As if paying a street performer / musician outside the subway. He then points to the money he added to the pile. ::
That's my 2 cents.
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Sept 24, 2010 8:50:01 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Sept 24, 2010 8:50:01 GMT -5
I'm kind of with BigSis here. I know, I know - we should all play like the game as our costume. But only to a certain point and I'm starting to feel Gir is passing it soon. Number 3 maked Gir explode. Then I'll try and re-phrase my point of view. I understand we have some players in the game with posting restrictions. I have no way of telling if the restrictions have anything to do with alignment. But I don't thinks so. That would seem to be gastardly of the mods. So I'm going to assume that the restrictions have been handed out either randomly or with some sort of correlation between the restriction and the role/costume. Anyway. I get that Gir has to post as some little shiny thing. My point was simply that I get no "read" from her as a player. I don't get analysis of the game from her. I hardly get anything game-related from her (except when she try to explain her restriction). And then the fluff - but that's no my main issue with Gir at the moment. My problem is that the way she posts isn't helping my to move forward in the game. And that combined with me not having much that will help me determine her motivations (and there by making an estimated guess of her alignment) is going to be a problem for me. Let's just pretend that she indeed was scum. How would I know? I have only her votes to go by ATM. Do I think she Scum? I have no idea! And that's my problem.
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Sept 24, 2010 8:55:07 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Sept 24, 2010 8:55:07 GMT -5
NETA:
And that's my problem. Because I don't see it can change in the Days to come.
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Sept 24, 2010 8:59:50 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Sept 24, 2010 8:59:50 GMT -5
Err... I just read the "waiting room" Is there a posting restriction in this game that disable other players to answer me AT ALL based on the time I post???
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Sept 24, 2010 9:03:08 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Sept 24, 2010 9:03:08 GMT -5
Does anyone else feel like the inmates are running the asylum?
My open questions...
- Validity of individual alleged post restrictions and point of restrictions in general. I question both. - Where's the mod? We're doing our own vote counts and weirdness has ensued in the Waiting Room. - What's up with the subs? I mean, shit. In a normal game I have trouble keeping track of people. Here, each substitution involves 4 personas. The player/costume going out, and the player/costume coming in. A little clearly communicated transitioning would be appreciated.
This whole post has been put in green for the mod's viewing pleasure, but responses/comments/concerns from other players are also welcome. [/color] [/quote] I can't believe it. If it was a joke in the waiting room, I really have trouble finding it amusing. However the thought of it being the truth, makes me even more angry. So I'll go with the first assumption and put this down to me lacking some aspect of humour.
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Sept 24, 2010 9:06:48 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Sept 24, 2010 9:06:48 GMT -5
Err... I just read the "waiting room" Is there a posting restriction in this game that disable other players to answer me AT ALL based on the time I post???did you say something? ;D
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Sept 24, 2010 9:23:09 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Sept 24, 2010 9:23:09 GMT -5
Err... I just read the "waiting room" Is there a posting restriction in this game that disable other players to answer me AT ALL based on the time I post???did you say something? ;D Do you think I over-did it?
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Sept 24, 2010 9:46:58 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Sept 24, 2010 9:46:58 GMT -5
A few random thoughts as I start my day
RE: Gir!'s statement in the Waiting Room - I can only assume she meant "Mister Blockey" when she wrote "Stay Puft", because I know I haven't imposed any restriction on her, unless there's even more freaky stuff going on here than we are already aware of.
RE: Possibility of no Scum - It does seem that a block of Masons would have a decided advantage over the rest of the group if there were no Scum...although if our mod is sufficiently twisted it might make a good psychological experiment to see how long the rest of the Town allowed the 'confirmed Mason pool' to survive once they figure out there are actually no 'bad guys'
RE: No Vanilla roles - This is looking more and more likely to be the case as we keep turning up one more non-Vanilla after another. Assuming the non-Vanilla status also applies to Scum, they might have had a 'head start' in this fashion: The 4 or 5 Scum meet on Night 1 and discover they all have Powers. They therefore infer that everyone has a Power, and they know that it will ultimately be much easier for them to false-claim, because 'everybody else is doing it'.
RE: Win conditions - YesterDay I mentioned that I win only if the Town wins. I said at the time that was not a direct quote from my PM, but it was an accurate summation. It now occurs to me it might not be as accurate as I thought. I win when threats have been removed. I assumed "threats" meant Scum and third-party players such as SK's. But could other Townies be "threats"? I realize I might be implicating myself, because I am in some sense a threat to the Town. Do I need to die in order to win? along the same lines, might there me multiple Town factions with differing win conditions? Could we have a group of 'Anti-Masons' who only win if all of the Masons are killed, for example?
RE: Recruiting - This popped into my head just in the last few seconds...What if this game started off with a very small number of Scum, but they are allowed multiple recruits? Perhaps everyone is looking like Town because we all are, right now, but with no guarantee that will be the case tomorrow?
Right now, I'm not comfortable with my current vote, so
unvote Batman
I was thinking about things as I was waking up this morning, and was set to move my vote to The Corinthian. But it seems that once again, the leading lynch candidate turns out to be a Power Townie...I'm going to need to take a long lunch today and see if I can figure something out.
And I'm reminded for some reason of the end of Murder by Death, so for the moment
vote Truman Capote/Mister Blockey
I'll be back before Dusk
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Sept 24, 2010 9:49:35 GMT -5
Post by julie on Sept 24, 2010 9:49:35 GMT -5
Current Vote Count
2 Lt. Columbo: Homocidal Maniac (299), Curious George (332) Dr. Strangelove: Nordom (336), Raj (376) The Corinthian: Lt. Columbo (251), Jack Skellington (411)
1 Stay Puft: Buddy Christ (45) Raj: Meeko (237) Iskaral Pust: Batman (281) Death of Rats: Galadriel (290) Batman: Zedd (347) Gir: Eleanor (359) Zedd: The Corinthian (393) The Narrator
Corrections welcome. I believe this is up-to-date as of the posting order as I post it.
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Sept 24, 2010 9:57:11 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Sept 24, 2010 9:57:11 GMT -5
Current Vote Count2Lt. Columbo: Homocidal Maniac (299), Curious George (332) Dr. Strangelove: Nordom (336), Raj (376) The Corinthian: Lt. Columbo (251), Jack Skellington (411) 1Stay Puft: Buddy Christ (45) Raj: Meeko (237) Iskaral Pust: Batman (281) Death of Rats: Galadriel (290) Batman: Zedd (347) Gir: Eleanor (359) Zedd: The Corinthian (393) The NarratorCorrections welcome. I believe this is up-to-date as of the posting order as I post it. Are you a co-mod?
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Sept 24, 2010 9:57:52 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Sept 24, 2010 9:57:52 GMT -5
just so you know puffy a lot of games run over on this board that are no vanilla. so the fact that so many folks are claiming roles makes sense to me. shit even pinkies had a weird ass power.
and this game was not advertised as gastard so i don't think it in anyway is a "psychological experiment". typically if it is going to be a fuck you kind of deal folks are let in on the front end on whether they want to participate.
this feels about normal for a blockey game.
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Sept 24, 2010 10:01:07 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Sept 24, 2010 10:01:07 GMT -5
RE: Recruiting - This popped into my head just in the last few seconds...What if this game started off with a very small number of Scum, but they are allowed multiple recruits? Perhaps everyone is looking like Town because we all are, right now, but with no guarantee that will be the case tomorrow? We know that recruitment can't be ruled out. If there's any recruitment in this game it will come with the option of death as a refusal. However - what would the happen to the powers of that role? You have claimed vig. What if they recruit you and then gain an extra kill? That would seem unbalanced. Same goes for a town investigator... So I'm not sure that the idea would make sense in a game with so many power roles.
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Sept 24, 2010 10:02:05 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Sept 24, 2010 10:02:05 GMT -5
just so you know puffy a lot of games run over on this board that are no vanilla. so the fact that so many folks are claiming roles makes sense to me. shit even pinkies had a weird ass power. and this game was not advertised as gastard so i don't think it in anyway is a "psychological experiment". typically if it is going to be a fuck you kind of deal folks are let in on the front end on whether they want to participate. this feels about normal for a blockey game. I don't really think it's a psychological experiment...just something that was spinning around in my head. I do think some out-of-the-box thinking is required, though. It did occur to me that the biggest threat to the Town might in fact be the Moderator...but it now seems they have recruiting powers too
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Sept 24, 2010 10:03:35 GMT -5
Post by julie on Sept 24, 2010 10:03:35 GMT -5
There are approximately 9 hours until end of Day.
I am one of the mods and will be more available from now on. I will attempt to do more regular vote updates.
Apologies for not announcing the substitution of Captain Pinkies/The Narrator for Duvsie/La Duquesa. Things have been a bit hectic.
I think that answers what questions I can answer. Good luck everyone.
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Sept 24, 2010 10:04:34 GMT -5
Post by Inner Stickler on Sept 24, 2010 10:04:34 GMT -5
Crimeny
Unvote: Corinthian
Vote: Elizabeth Bathory
It's been a while since she last posted that she needed to catch up. Well, Day is almost over, can we at least get a thought or two about the game from you, Countess?
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Sept 24, 2010 10:40:30 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Sept 24, 2010 10:40:30 GMT -5
Current Vote Count2Lt. Columbo: Homocidal Maniac (299), Curious George (332) Dr. Strangelove: Nordom (336), Raj (376) The Corinthian: Lt. Columbo (251), Jack Skellington (411) 1Stay Puft: Buddy Christ (45) Raj: Meeko (237) Iskaral Pust: Batman (281) Death of Rats: Galadriel (290) Batman: Zedd (347) Gir: Eleanor (359) Zedd: The Corinthian (393) The NarratorCorrections welcome. I believe this is up-to-date as of the posting order as I post it. Are you a co-mod? Yes, Julie is a co-mod. I apologise for not being around today, but real life demanded some attention, in that it demanded I complete a job application form. I also have to go to the opticians within the next 30 minutes; one lens of my glasses fell out while cleaning this afternoon, and I'm using an old pair; a recipe for headaches. To tidy up one piece of business, the second substitution. Captain Pinkies, having been lynched in his guise as a Twilight Fangirl, has returned as The Narrator. (If you want to know what he is narrating, you'll have to ask him.) He has replaced Duvsie aka La Duquesa du Alba, who got swallowed by real life.
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Sept 24, 2010 10:40:49 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Sept 24, 2010 10:40:49 GMT -5
I'm wondering if it is possible that Town has a bunch of weak power roles, while the scum have more powerful standard roles. I know I'm the Town detective, but I have a weaker version of it. This would make Batman the scum one. How do you consider yourself weak? The first is as good as an alignment cop if you're town (I assume threat is equal to the one in the win condition). The second seems* weaker with this seeming to being a no vanilla game but you don't have to use it. Although it not being weak strengthens the one-town-investigator point. (*depends if performing the scum kill counts as a power. I'm not buying the this-is-a-no-scum-game. For the record Mini Halloween Mafia had scum (Godfather, Vote Charger, Scotman - maybe a fourth and the powers had some tweaks?)) I would like Batman to clarify what kind of cop he is or at least comment on the counter claim if he's around. And for Gir to explain if that comment about Puft making her post restriction was for real or meant to say something else.
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Sept 24, 2010 10:46:26 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Sept 24, 2010 10:46:26 GMT -5
Yes, Julie is a co-mod. I apologise for not being around today, but real life demanded some attention, in that it demanded I complete a job application form. I also have to go to the opticians within the next 30 minutes; one lens of my glasses fell out while cleaning this afternoon, and I'm using an old pair; a recipe for headaches. To tidy up one piece of business, the second substitution. Captain Pinkies, having been lynched in his guise as a Twilight Fangirl, has returned as The Narrator. (If you want to know what he is narrating, you'll have to ask him.) He has replaced Duvsie aka La Duquesa du Alba, who got swallowed by real life. it's okay. Is only the mod able to answer the questions regarding post restrictions or could you (or others) help us with that as well?
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Sept 24, 2010 10:52:19 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Sept 24, 2010 10:52:19 GMT -5
Is it even worth speculating about the 'extra vote' at the moment? Yesterday it was for Twilight Fangirl, who was the low-poster. Earlier today it was placed on The Narrator, who was again at least very near the bottom. But at this point Elizabeth Bathory is at the bottom by my count. this would suggest that the extra vote is not an automatic vote on the lowest poster, as had been surmised.
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Sept 24, 2010 10:53:39 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Sept 24, 2010 10:53:39 GMT -5
did you say something? ;D Do you think I over-did it? :: Ponders this ::: MeekowhoisMarcel Asks "What is this "Over Do" thing? You mean, you can make a post that is over the top in mafia? Hrm. Thanks for telling me."
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