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Post by bufftabby on Dec 20, 2010 22:13:33 GMT -5
As you rise on yet another morning, you feel certain that more of your company will be missing. Fearing what gruesome discovery you might make in the main hall, you decide to roam the sleeping quarters instead. The halls are eerily silent, and you begin to fear what you might find here instead. You turn around and head back in the direction of the main hall. As you pass by the final room on the left, you notice a red liquid oozing from under the door. You know just enough of the nature of this castle to be certain that this is blood. You try to push the door open, but something seems to be blocking it. You give the door one final shove, and tumble inward as it finally opens. You find yourself lying on top of one of your compatriots. As raise yourself up, you see a card lying on top of the body: IV. The Emperor. Horrified, you realize that the body is that of NAF1138. Looking around, you see a body lying on the bed, bathed in an unearthly light. The body is bloodless, but unmoving. BillMc will never move again. A card lies atop his chest: XVII. The Star. Finally, you let loose a held-back scream, and your fellow travelers quickly come running.
BillMc, Town Mason, is dead. NAF1138, Scum Godfather, is dead.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Dec 20, 2010 22:19:30 GMT -5
Well. That is really interesting. A vig? A serial killer? A redirect or weird sort of protection? At any rate, if a detective has some usable investigations, now might be a good time to claim as you could semi confirm some players.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Dec 20, 2010 22:40:48 GMT -5
Yay, the dawn post is finally up! Boo for me having been up till 3 am yesterday morning which leaves me basically sleepwalking right now. Also, yay for dead scummy scum! Boo for dead Bill.
Night y'all!
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Post by Mahaloth on Dec 20, 2010 22:46:16 GMT -5
Shoot!
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Post by Inner Stickler on Dec 20, 2010 23:06:07 GMT -5
Ah ha ha. It's funny because shooting is what did NAF in.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Dec 20, 2010 23:07:48 GMT -5
Yay for dead scum. Boo for dead Bill.
Anyone want to put more meat behind their vague innuendos?
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Post by Mister Blockey on Dec 20, 2010 23:17:12 GMT -5
Alright maybe I'll actually be able to pay attention this time. Probably not, but I'm going to go ahead and try and help while you have me. Was anyone really suspicious of NAF? I will be the first to admit that I've skimmed a bit and followed as best I could, but I don't recall NAF ever being under fire. I may of course missed him giving off a huge tell, I haven't been following perfectly, but I don't think that's the case. Having said that, that means that if we have a vig they held off until night 3 to kill and hit perfectly with no guiding information. That doesn't seem likely to me. Of course we could have a detective, vig combo, but that's absurdly powerful.
It's also entirely possible there's a serial killer out there who's been consistently blocked until now, or that the scum have an extra kill power, but one of their kills got redirected.
Honestly I don't know where I'm going with this other than it doesn't really look like a vig.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Dec 20, 2010 23:36:47 GMT -5
No, you're right. I don't think it smells like a vig either. Honestly the first thought that came into my head was that someone set some sort of trap on Bill and NAF was for some reason the designated hitman tonight and sprang it.
As for NAF's scumtells, I am not sure. I think his living as long as he did was one. He's certainly on my list of players to kill toot suite when I am scum. I was wondering about him this game but I always wonder about him ever since Ragnarok.
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Post by special on Dec 21, 2010 0:07:25 GMT -5
No, you're right. I don't think it smells like a vig either. Honestly the first thought that came into my head was that someone set some sort of trap on Bill and NAF was for some reason the designated hitman tonight and sprang it. As for NAF's scumtells, I am not sure. I think his living as long as he did was one. He's certainly on my list of players to kill toot suite when I am scum. I was wondering about him this game but I always wonder about him ever since Ragnarok. surviving through Day 3 is suspicious? I'll agree that NAF is a powerfully strong player, but surviving is not ever a Scum tell. We've got quite a few other strong players still alive. Also, can you point out where you ever put your suspicions into writing? I just did a search of your last 100 posts on here, and only toDay did you mention NAF. In fact a quick overview leaves me with the grand impression that you may be attempting to avoid making an impression.
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Post by NAF1138 on Dec 21, 2010 0:11:15 GMT -5
Dammit! I die after I get over my mind numbing cold? That's really not fair.
Harumph.
Go scum!
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Post by special on Dec 21, 2010 0:40:22 GMT -5
Day One Final Vote Count pleonast (5): crazypunker [103-207], mahaloth [104-236][/s], metallicsquink [165], darksidecookies [169], brewha [213], peekercpa [216], rysto [238]
rysto (4): hockey monkey [164], catinasuit [176], inner stickler [221], charr [230]
mahaloth (3): guiri [113], mhaye [225], sistercoyote [240]
mr ed (2): renata [200], texcat [224]
paranoia (1): peekercpa [143-216], mr ed [199-227], naf1138 [202]
suburban plankton (1): pleonast [17], rysto [142-238]
naf1138 (1): suburban plankton [133]
texcat (1): mr ed [227]
charr (1): mahaloth [236]
sister coyote (0): brewha [212-213]
catinasuit (0): guiri [94-113]
storyteller (0): peekercpa [93-143]
Not voting: total ullz billmc paranoia storyteller mister blockey crazypunker
Day Two Final Vote Count
mahaloth (5): guiri [109], texcat [248], sistercoyote [266], mister blockey [300], billmc [301]
hockey monkey (4): renata [160], total ullz [256], billmc [264-301], mahaloth [270], crazypunker [276]
storyteller (3): peekercpa [115], catinasuit [124], mr ed [242], mahaloth [269-270]
paranoia (2): naf1138 [23], suburban plankton [100], metallicsquink [108-199]
metallic squink (2): total ullz [176-223], mr ed [188-242], brewha [194], rysto [286]
rysto (1): hockey monkey [101]
total ullz (1): texcat [16]
catinasuit (1): cookies [169]
naf1138 (1): paranoia [177]
brewha (1): metallic squink [199]
cometothedarksidewehavecookies (0): crazypunker [244-255]
charr (0): mr blockey [27-140], billmc [31-264], mahaloth [178-269]
Not Voting:
storyteller inner stickler char
Day 3 Final Vote Count
crazypunker (11): hockey monkey [39], billmc [44], sister coyote [77-100], total ullz [127], cookies [130], texcat [138], suburban plankton [142], sister coyote [143-151], naff1138 [163], charr [166], renata [172], brewha [180], inner stickler [190]
storyteller (2): mr ed [91], catinasuit [99], suburban plankton [102-142]
catinasuit (1): guiri [71], cookies [112-130], brewha [131-180]
paranoia (1): metallic squink [69]
charr (1): peekercpa [132]
inner stickler (1): crazypunker [183]
suburban plankton (1): paranoia [196]
cometothedarksidewehavecookies (0): crazypunker [38-133]
mr ed (0): renata [78-172]
Not voting:
Sister Coyote storyteller naf1138 mister blockey
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Post by Inner Stickler on Dec 21, 2010 1:21:21 GMT -5
surviving through Day 3 is suspicious? I'll agree that NAF is a powerfully strong player, but surviving is not ever a Scum tell. We've got quite a few other strong players still alive. Also, can you point out where you ever put your suspicions into writing? I just did a search of your last 100 posts on here, and only toDay did you mention NAF. In fact a quick overview leaves me with the grand impression that you may be attempting to avoid making an impression. It was in a post in the day 4 thread. I don't usually because he can be town just as easily as scum and I'm pretty sure my unease with him comes from not being uneasy with him in ragnarok and getting lynched because of it. Hindsight is 20/20 and given that he's scum now, I regret not looking more closely at him earlier. That's what I meant. (Surviving is not a scum tell, no. Certain players surviving is always interesting to me, though. And don't tell me you haven't seen celebratory posts from some players when they make it to the second or third day in a game, because I certainly have.)
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Post by special on Dec 21, 2010 1:35:47 GMT -5
surviving through Day 3 is suspicious? I'll agree that NAF is a powerfully strong player, but surviving is not ever a Scum tell. We've got quite a few other strong players still alive. Also, can you point out where you ever put your suspicions into writing? I just did a search of your last 100 posts on here, and only toDay did you mention NAF. In fact a quick overview leaves me with the grand impression that you may be attempting to avoid making an impression. It was in a post in the day 4 thread. Wait, so you stated your suspicion of him after he was dead? Or did you just go back and search your own posts for that, because, toDay is Day 4, and NAF has been dead the entire Day. You specifically stated that you were wondering about him this game, yet you never indicated that, did you? This is enough for me for now Vote: Inner Stickler
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Post by guiri on Dec 21, 2010 3:53:23 GMT -5
No, I was just being slow in typing and not refreshing to make sure nobody else had talked. It's a response to Rysto who seems to be telling mahaloth to just ignore it because it's Pleo, an attitude I find less than helpful. OK, so what did you intend by this: Maha, haven't you ever played with Pleonast before? I will join the group wishing to test crazypunker's scotsman ability. Which group is that? You don't even mention the cases against him. Ah ha ha. It's funny because shooting is what did NAF in. Are you saying that NAF killed Bill and somehow that caused his death? Honestly the first thought that came into my head was that someone set some sort of trap on Bill and NAF was for some reason the designated hitman tonight and sprang it. And so you posted your first thought (above) as a matter of fact? I was wondering about him this game but I always wonder about him ever since Ragnarok. Also, can you point out where you ever put your suspicions into writing? I just did a search of your last 100 posts on here, and only toDay did you mention NAF. It was in a post in the day 4 thread. Oops! Vote Inner Stickler
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Post by BillMc on Dec 21, 2010 4:14:31 GMT -5
Boo Hissss!!!
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Post by Total Ullz on Dec 21, 2010 7:41:52 GMT -5
Hmm, I guess the outcome is not too bad. A dead Mason for a Scum - and the Godfather as it turned out However - it doesn't seem like a vig to me. Why leave Hockey Monkey alive and kill NAF? The trap idea is new to me - I can't think of a game I've played where it happened. But it could be an explanation I guess. So someone set a trap on Bill and then if anyone did anything to harm him, they would also die? Is that it? For now I'm feeling fine with the votes on Inner Stickler. Story made a nice post about him yesterDay and the things that have been brought up to Day makes a lot of sense to me as well. So I'll join in and Vote Inner Stickler for seeing the scummy-ness of a dead Scum voting for Rysto Day 1 at a critical time and with IMO little reason lurking while pushing for Lynch the Lurkers
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Post by Total Ullz on Dec 21, 2010 7:44:19 GMT -5
I think his living as long as he did was one. Oh, I forgot this in my previous post. For the smudge on all the players great at mafia and still alive in this game. I can think of quite a lot of those - and this seems like something that can be use to base a vote on "who-ever" later in the game.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Dec 21, 2010 8:39:06 GMT -5
As noted in detail yesterDay, I have strong suspicions of Inner Stickler and generally support the emergent bandwagon on him in itself.
However, I can see no reasonable argument that crazypunker should not be lynched again toDay. Nine players found him Scummy enough to lynch yesterDay - what has changed? I think a player who survives a lynch with no alignment reveal will eventually have to be lynched or Night killed by a Vig, if one exists. How else can it be handled? Can crazypunker, who as of yesterDay had generated suitable suspicion to be worth a large percentage of the vote, be allowed to live until endgame?
And I don't think we have a Vig. While the death of NAF is a boon to us, it is probably not the work of a Vig. A Pro-Town Vig would not likely be firing into a pool of total unknowns, at risk of hitting an investigator or doctor, when two much better, safer targets - Hockey Monkey and crazypunker - were available.
Right now my lynch list, in rough order of preference, is:
1. crazypunker 2. Hockey Monkey (why are we leaving her alive again? If the death of NAF was not the work of a Vig, then it was the work of a third party. Hockey Monkey is a claimed third party. Is there any reason to believe that she may not be the killer)? 3. Stickler 4. Catinasuit
I had a very busy weekend and Monday, so I'll need to get to looking over Ed's posts toDay. After that, I'm not sure where to go next... but I'll jump off that bridge when I come to it.
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Post by harmless little bunny on Dec 21, 2010 8:59:57 GMT -5
As noted in detail yesterDay, I have strong suspicions of Inner Stickler and generally support the emergent bandwagon on him in itself. However, I can see no reasonable argument that crazypunker should not be lynched again toDay. Nine players found him Scummy enough to lynch yesterDay - what has changed? I think a player who survives a lynch with no alignment reveal will eventually have to be lynched or Night killed by a Vig, if one exists. How else can it be handled? Can crazypunker, who as of yesterDay had generated suitable suspicion to be worth a large percentage of the vote, be allowed to live until endgame? And I don't think we have a Vig. While the death of NAF is a boon to us, it is probably not the work of a Vig. A Pro-Town Vig would not likely be firing into a pool of total unknowns, at risk of hitting an investigator or doctor, when two much better, safer targets - Hockey Monkey and crazypunker - were available. Right now my lynch list, in rough order of preference, is: 1. crazypunker 2. Hockey Monkey (why are we leaving her alive again? If the death of NAF was not the work of a Vig, then it was the work of a third party. Hockey Monkey is a claimed third party. Is there any reason to believe that she may not be the killer)? 3. Stickler 4. Catinasuit I had a very busy weekend and Monday, so I'll need to get to looking over Ed's posts toDay. After that, I'm not sure where to go next... but I'll jump off that bridge when I come to it. The other thing that could happen is I could get investigated. Now you know that I was at least telling the truth about my role. Hopefully somebody out there has an investigation role and they can prove my towniness. Otherwise I am doomed. Vote Inner SticklerFor reasons I posted at the end of Day 3.
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Post by charr on Dec 21, 2010 9:32:53 GMT -5
Hey, can anyone tell me why we're trying to identify the Vig? Wouldn't that make it easier for scum to dispose of him/her?
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Post by Sister Coyote on Dec 21, 2010 10:55:11 GMT -5
Hey, can anyone tell me why we're trying to identify the Vig? Wouldn't that make it easier for scum to dispose of him/her? We're not trying to identify the Vig. We're trying to figure out if we have one. Subtle difference.
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Post by brewha on Dec 21, 2010 11:04:41 GMT -5
Careful speculating on the existence of vigilantes. Nothing good can come of it.
I'll admit I had no idea NAF was scum. It did seem like he was as participatory as usually, but it is the holidays.
BillMC was found dead without bloodshed. What's that mean? Poison? Majiks? Or maybe bloodless doesn't mean without bloodshed. Maybe he was sucked dry by a Vampire? It just seems odd that Buffy made a point to add it in the color.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Dec 21, 2010 11:16:26 GMT -5
I like how I disappeared for a Day and a half and didn't get a single vote. The minute I start talking, I accrue 4 votes in less than 12 hours. Oh well, I guess people just don't like scum-hunting.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Dec 21, 2010 12:05:38 GMT -5
BillMC was found dead without bloodshed. What's that mean? Poison? Majiks? Or maybe bloodless doesn't mean without bloodshed. Maybe he was sucked dry by a Vampire? It just seems odd that Buffy made a point to add it in the color. Unless buff said otherwise in the rules, color is just color.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Dec 21, 2010 12:14:54 GMT -5
Well, good job by whomever it was that got NAF killed, but add me to the list of people who don't understand what happened last Night. I had no clue on him being Scum. I voted him on Day 1, but that was a "Day 1 vote", and not indicative of any strong suspicion. Does anyone else think it's odd that the Scum would target Bill? I would think they'd go after someone from the unconfirmed pool in hopes to take out one of the other Town powers, rather than a Mason who, other than being confirmed Town has no powers that can hurt them. But perhaps they just wanted him out of the game, as he has proven himself to be a very good Scum-detector. I can see the case against Inner Stickler, but I'm a bit taken aback by the speed at which this bandwagon built up. I'm not going to join it before I go back and do a bit of review. The one post of his that bothers me the most right now is Ah ha ha. It's funny because shooting is what did NAF in. I recall no reference to "shooting" anywhere in the thread. This post confuses me, and I don't like being confused. One other thing that made me take notice: we never actually got confirmation that crazypunker is a Scotsman. Obviously we failed to lynch him, but there was no actual role reveal in the Dusk post. Now, we can't hold crazypunker responsible for bufftabby's color, but it struck me as odd.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Dec 21, 2010 12:27:23 GMT -5
As noted in detail yesterDay, I have strong suspicions of Inner Stickler and generally support the emergent bandwagon on him in itself. However, I can see no reasonable argument that crazypunker should not be lynched again toDay. Nine players found him Scummy enough to lynch yesterDay - what has changed? I think a player who survives a lynch with no alignment reveal will eventually have to be lynched or Night killed by a Vig, if one exists. How else can it be handled? Can crazypunker, who as of yesterDay had generated suitable suspicion to be worth a large percentage of the vote, be allowed to live until endgame? And I don't think we have a Vig. While the death of NAF is a boon to us, it is probably not the work of a Vig. A Pro-Town Vig would not likely be firing into a pool of total unknowns, at risk of hitting an investigator or doctor, when two much better, safer targets - Hockey Monkey and crazypunker - were available. Right now my lynch list, in rough order of preference, is: 1. crazypunker 2. Hockey Monkey (why are we leaving her alive again? If the death of NAF was not the work of a Vig, then it was the work of a third party. Hockey Monkey is a claimed third party. Is there any reason to believe that she may not be the killer)? 3. Stickler 4. Catinasuit I had a very busy weekend and Monday, so I'll need to get to looking over Ed's posts toDay. After that, I'm not sure where to go next... but I'll jump off that bridge when I come to it. I agree with pretty much everything except the part about me. I didn't kill NAF. I don't have any such ability. Claiming to be third party isn't a case for me to be a killer. If I could have killed, I would have done Rysto in on Night One. ;D I think the case against Stickler is strong, and I'd like to put a vote behind it today, but I think that we found crazypunker scummy enough to lynch yesterday despite his claim. He survived, proving he's a Scotsman, but that doesn't make him not scum. I think we should finish the job today. I'll start with a vote for crazypunker. If for some reason Stickler gets in a tie with someone else, I'll be happy to change my vote.
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Post by peekercpa on Dec 21, 2010 12:28:59 GMT -5
Does anyone else think it's odd that the Scum would target Bill? I would think they'd go after someone from the unconfirmed pool in hopes to take out one of the other Town powers, rather than a Mason who, other than being confirmed Town has no powers that can hurt them. But perhaps they just wanted him out of the game, as he has proven himself to be a very good Scum-detector. <snipped> not in the least. bill is a darn good scum hunter and will at times take some confrontational stances. but as confirmed town and with his talent if i were scum i'd certainly want him out of the way. additionally, as scum you need the confirmed pool narrowed down. at the risk of a potential dick and another investigation even. the fact that the scum gf got whacked is kind of perplexing. either a town vig or pfk got a read (or got lucky) because i just don't see scum sending out their gf on the off chance that there is some blowback or watcher/tracker mechanism. unless they were gambling that a town doc would be protecting a mason and he was a blow through killer as well.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Dec 21, 2010 12:35:28 GMT -5
Aaaaaand I forgot to actually, you know, vote: :headsmack:
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Dec 21, 2010 12:37:47 GMT -5
Does anyone else think it's odd that the Scum would target Bill? I would think they'd go after someone from the unconfirmed pool in hopes to take out one of the other Town powers, rather than a Mason who, other than being confirmed Town has no powers that can hurt them. But perhaps they just wanted him out of the game, as he has proven himself to be a very good Scum-detector. <snipped> not in the least. bill is a darn good scum hunter and will at times take some confrontational stances. but as confirmed town and with his talent if i were scum i'd certainly want him out of the way. additionally, as scum you need the confirmed pool narrowed down. at the risk of a potential dick and another investigation even. the fact that the scum gf got whacked is kind of perplexing. either a town vig or pfk got a read (or got lucky) because i just don't see scum sending out their gf on the off chance that there is some blowback or watcher/tracker mechanism. unless they were gambling that a town doc would be protecting a mason and he was a blow through killer as well. Totally agree here. After being scum against Bill in the Halloween game, I vowed to myself that if I were ever scum again he'd be first on my list to get dead. He's scary good.
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Post by special on Dec 21, 2010 12:46:57 GMT -5
I like how I disappeared for a Day and a half and didn't get a single vote. The minute I start talking, I accrue 4 votes in less than 12 hours. Oh well, I guess people just don't like scum-hunting. I will admit, you did do a fine job of Scum hunting. You figured out NAF was Scum on Day 4!
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