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Post by LightFoot on May 25, 2011 12:21:55 GMT -5
@ Moley Please revisit D4.84 idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=woo&thread=1636&post=78943You seem to have completely missed that post. The “Whatever you are you’re funny” comment by gnarly was NOT directed at me. If you are going to quote others to make your point Please get them accurate? ~~~~~~~~~ @ septimus Don’t meta-game me. I don’t have a play style Scooby Doo was my first game here. (and you may also read the link above) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ @ Bill You chopped the hell out of my post. Did I hit a nerve? I had valid observations about your claim. Are you unwilling to address anything I said? If nothing else could you ‘step down’ for a minute and explain what I got wrong? Are you advocating that everyone should believe without questioning all claims as they are posted? Or just yours? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Yes this is a quick post from work. I wanted to respond to a few things I read this morning before they got lost. |
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Post by CatInASuit on May 25, 2011 12:34:02 GMT -5
Far be it from me to step into your personal crusade against Ms Squink, but I think you should perhaps take the time to comment on the start of Day 3, because looking at it, when Archangel got a vote, someone else came in and placed a vote on Pinkies. Just saying like. Like the Day 3 where Pinkies was already lynched on Day 2 ? D'oh. Day 2 start, not Day 3. Point still stands though. |
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Post by BillMc on May 25, 2011 13:11:43 GMT -5
@ Bill You chopped the hell out of my post. Did I hit a nerve? I had valid observations about your claim. Are you unwilling to address anything I said? If nothing else could you ‘step down’ for a minute and explain what I got wrong? Are you advocating that everyone should believe without questioning all claims as they are posted? Or just yours? I find it highly suspicious that with all the other unknowns, your focus is on me. Do I represent that great a threat to you and your scum buddies? Did I ruin your Day by focusing on Meeko? Does anyone want to claim Alice? Does anyone want to counterclaim me and claim they killed Colby? Does anyone want to claim they killed Fluid rather than Dirx? The Scum killing Fluid would be a braindead move. I could never "win" while Colby/Alice was alive -- Alice had to go for me to have a win. |
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Post by gnarlycharlie on May 25, 2011 13:15:27 GMT -5
Now, GnarlyCharlie. First thing I find interesting is this post: It was speculated by Storyteller after Ed's reveal that this might have been breadcrumbing. What I want to know is why Charlie pointed it out? Second thing: I was wrong, earlier, about him being a late Ace votor. Actually he's an early Ace votor who didn't unvote. I especially don't like it given these two posts: I don't understand how Ace "not making the effort" is supposed to be a tell either way. And: While I agree with this, Gnarly seems to find nothing at all odd in the fact that the lynch leader has no competing bandwagon whatsoever. Towards the end he rides BillMC a bit, and asks for his reasons for suspecting Squink, Lightfoot, Rysto and MHaye; but then votes Meeko because of Meeko's refusal to name his suspects. Completely reasonable if Gnarly is town there. Gnarly's only real post regarding Lightfoot: "Whatever you are, you're funny." Actually Gnarly's lack of posts on most people is a problem for me, and possibly intentionally so. Moley's thoughts: GnarlyCharlie looks like a big suspect. If it's between Gnarly and JBG for the hypothesized scummy late Meeko votor, I'd pick GnarlyCharlie.And what the hell, BillMC's been right once before. So for that reason, vote: MetallicSquink. 1. i pointed out Bill's survival because he's been getting NKd on N1 the past games he's played. it happened in our Royal Rumble game in Giraffe and Scooby Doo here in Idle. it's a testament to his scumhunting skills. when he was allowed to survive up to D3 in our Everafter game on FB Town lynched scum 3 straight times. apparently he's doing it again here. 2. i was expecting Ace to make a full claim. i was wondering why she wasn't. i wasn't the only one suggesting it. i believe Ed was too. 3. i wasn't riding Bill. you make it seem that i was pressuring him. i wanted his explanation because i respect him and was hoping to get insight into his thought process. 4. the 'you're funny' post was directed at Meeko. 5. i've explained my lack of posts. it's up to you to believe my reason or not. 6. after you you go through the effort of building this case against me, you decide to vote for Squink because Bill suspects her. personally i would have just admitted that and not build this WOW. i thought i'd share my thoughts about the others first before voting but: Vote Honest Moleyfor smudging me only to vote elsewhere. i'm also a bit pissed about your claim. either you're withholding something or using your power incorrectly because it just seems useless.  |
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Post by BillMc on May 25, 2011 13:25:57 GMT -5
D'oh. Day 2 start, not Day 3. Point still stands though. Ed votes Pinkies (4) CAIS votes Archangel (26) Plankton votes Pinkies (47) Septimus votes CAIS (60) Pinkies votes Archangel (90, forced) Meeko votes Pinkies (156) So you could view it as "everytime someone voted Pinkies, someone else voted Archangel" - or vice versa. Plankton's delayed vote has been verified, it doesn't say anything about his alignment, but I would consider him to be most likely Town. So a "Town" Plankton voting for Pinkies to save a scummy Archangel doesn't gel. |
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Post by BillMc on May 25, 2011 13:31:21 GMT -5
either you're withholding something or using your power incorrectly because it just seems useless. I had the Eavesdropper role in Ragnarok and thought it was as useful as a chocolate teapot. In the post game analysis we could see that one out of the four phrases I got could have been a decent pointer to one scum (peeker) In another game, a scummy Pinkies false claimed eavesdropper -- and was eventually lynched for it as his information was "too good". Moley's claimed permutation could be quite useful, as per my previous comments, but it's clear that he's not understood its benefits as he thought that what he didnt hear cleared Meeko. |
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Post by metallicsquink on May 25, 2011 13:44:04 GMT -5
So Bill, are you going to respond to this post from yesterDay? My comments are preceded by >>> @squink You finish Day 2 supporting lynching both Pinkies and Fluid -- hedge your bets since you need both them dead >>> There were good reasons for each of them to be lynched and I wasn't the only one who thought that. A PM would go a long way to giving your claim at least a shred of credibility. ...and would also make it much easier for the scum knowing the actual PM. >>> I wasn't the only one who wanted to see his PM. Day 3 -- Ginger and Ma'at open the day voicing their belated cases against Colby....and lo and behold, Meeko appears with a "forced vote" for Colby....nice timing. >>> I'm not sure what you are implying here about my motives. You start on a wow on the lurkers - then add to the "we were suspicious of Colby" bandwagon, trying to add credence to the argument that a forced vote on Colby was "pro-town". >>> Where did I say that a forced vote on Colby was pro-town? On my re-read last Night, I noticed that colby contradicted himself a couple of times and I was going to come in toDay and ask him about it. I did question him a few times yesterDay but I did not vote for him. Then throw in your wow on "lurkers" setting the scene for the subsequent supposition that the politican chose a lurker - ie meeko - to leverage their vote >>> Where did I say that the politician was targeting lurkers? Also, it's Day 3 which I feel is a good time to start poking the lurkers. You categorically dismiss the idea that the politician is scum, and categorically dismiss the idea that meeko may be doing this go gain town cred. >>> You are putting words into my mouth. Where did I "categorically dismiss the idea"? Did I specifically state "there is no way the politician is scum"? I was following along your line of reasoning and trying to understand your case against meeko. You are awfully sure of yourself. >>> You are the one who is awfully sure of himself. You seem so sure the politician is scum. You seem so sure that you know who killed whom last Night. You seem so sure that of all the people doing the same things I am doing (voicing suspicions of both fluid and pinkies, asking you about your vote against meeko) that I am the only one who is scum. Here you are making an excuse for a scum Meeko, that "he really couldnt not have known" - which is incorrect, as he posted his "vote" several hours are daybreak - so unless he was completely blind and didnt read the thread, he would have known. I think it's more likely that he did read the thread and thought "oh crap, Colby is dead" and decided to modify the PM >>> That is a valid point and honestly, not one I had thought of. By the same token, though, you did not say that in your case against meeko and that was where I was going with my questions to you, i.e., what about his PM made you think he was lying about something. I see. Then it seems like a pretty bad move on a scum meeko's part to add something to his PM that wasn't in pinkies' PM and that draws even more attention to meeko. Not that scum wouldn't do that but still, I would think if the PM was fake, he would have just taken pinkies' PM word for word. Again, you are defending Meeko. Yes...scum wouldn't do that. >>> I don't know that I would call this a defense since I cannot know what meeko was thinking but you say "tomato" and all that. I don't see a problem with me asking questions in order to understand other players' votes. |
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Post by storyteller0910 on May 25, 2011 13:46:20 GMT -5
Bill - Does anyone want to claim Alice? Does anyone want to counterclaim me and claim they killed Colby? Does anyone want to claim they killed Fluid rather than Dirx? The Scum killing Fluid would be a braindead move. You are overprotesting. You could very well be Alice - Scum Godfather. Nothing that you have said or that we have seen would rule that out. Presumably if the Scum had an extra kill and used it on Colby, or if Colby was the work of a serial killer, the killer would not want to speak up. I agree that the Scum would be stupid to have killed Fluid, but am not sure how that reflects on you. You're not getting lynched toDay, but you (along with everyone!) should be on the collective radar. Other bits and pieces: 1. I generally do not believe archangel to be likely Scum. ToDay (probably tonight) I'm going to go through the lynch of Meeko all the way a second time, and see if there's anything new to be gained from it given Meeko's flip. 2. Moley's power sounds entirely reasonable, and entirely capable of being either a Scum or a Town power. It's not worth the effort to test it; I doubt Moley would like about the power itself, given that it doesn't really impeach or exonerate him in and of itself. 3. The Masons, if we have any, should give some thought to claiming. |
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Post by metallicsquink on May 25, 2011 13:46:21 GMT -5
I know Septimus got three votes, but they were placed so late, and one of those votors was a former Archangel votor. The competing bandwagon to Meeko was Archangel, which is another reason why Archangel looks less suspicious to me. Also, my vote on you is hardly new, neither is it blindly following BillMC without reason. (Although considering BillMC was largely responsible for lynching a scummy player that I'd practically discounted, I hardly think there's anything inherently wrong with following Bill.) Your actions on Day Three look pretty suspicious, especially the post that I quoted. I share Septimus' "feeling" on you, and you make perfect sense as a scum partner to my other main suspects - more so than probably any other active player. Nearly everyone you've suspected or voted is either someone I think is most likely town, or is confirmed town; including Septimus and Archangel, as well as Ace. These to me are all good reasons for suspecting you. Did I miss the post where you made these connections between myself and your other suspects? |
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Post by BillMc on May 25, 2011 13:59:31 GMT -5
You are overprotesting. You could very well be Alice - Scum Godfather. Nothing that you have said or that we have seen would rule that out. Just making the point. And if we do have a lie detector, then my previous statements would be a definitive result. |
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Post by guiri on May 25, 2011 14:12:38 GMT -5
Now, I'm leaning Town on Archangel, and there are no masons in the list of possible roles, but Septimus seems to be going to some lengths to defend her. : Ok, so why do you think Archangel is town? I couldn't see any attempt to gain Town cred in her vote on Meeko. She made no mention of suspicions of Meeko, no case against him and worded her vote as a defense of Bill and the bandwagon building against him. It was an over-reaction to just 2 votes and based on weak logic. She was quoting Ma'at's vote and case against Bill but didn't vote him. It just doesn't feel like bussing to me. She may have been attempting to gain cred by defending Bill. If she's scum and he's not, scum may have tried to kill him N1 but failed and so thought he was protected but I still don't see why she would vote Meeko if that was her intent. A third hypothesis is that she had reason to believe Bill was protected and had deduced, incorrectly, that this was the reason for the lack of kills N1 and that he therefore was not scum. The other reason for leaning Town was her failure to place a vote in her first post toDay. If the politician is scum, a scummy Archangel would have been aware that she had to vote toDay. If the politician is Town, I'd expect a scummy Archangel to be a lot more careful and avoid risking 2 final votes. Could she have simply made a mistake independent of her alignment? Possibly but I find it less likely if she's non-Town. I'm leaning Town but with doubts due to Septimus' apparent attempts to defend her. |
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Post by Holy Moley! on May 25, 2011 17:08:13 GMT -5
Now, GnarlyCharlie. First thing I find interesting is this post: It was speculated by Storyteller after Ed's reveal that this might have been breadcrumbing. What I want to know is why Charlie pointed it out? Second thing: I was wrong, earlier, about him being a late Ace votor. Actually he's an early Ace votor who didn't unvote. I especially don't like it given these two posts: I don't understand how Ace "not making the effort" is supposed to be a tell either way. And: While I agree with this, Gnarly seems to find nothing at all odd in the fact that the lynch leader has no competing bandwagon whatsoever. Towards the end he rides BillMC a bit, and asks for his reasons for suspecting Squink, Lightfoot, Rysto and MHaye; but then votes Meeko because of Meeko's refusal to name his suspects. Completely reasonable if Gnarly is town there. Gnarly's only real post regarding Lightfoot: "Whatever you are, you're funny." Actually Gnarly's lack of posts on most people is a problem for me, and possibly intentionally so. Moley's thoughts: GnarlyCharlie looks like a big suspect. If it's between Gnarly and JBG for the hypothesized scummy late Meeko votor, I'd pick GnarlyCharlie.And what the hell, BillMC's been right once before. So for that reason, vote: MetallicSquink. 1. i pointed out Bill's survival because he's been getting NKd on N1 the past games he's played. it happened in our Royal Rumble game in Giraffe and Scooby Doo here in Idle. it's a testament to his scumhunting skills. when he was allowed to survive up to D3 in our Everafter game on FB Town lynched scum 3 straight times. apparently he's doing it again here. 2. i was expecting Ace to make a full claim. i was wondering why she wasn't. i wasn't the only one suggesting it. i believe Ed was too. 3. i wasn't riding Bill. you make it seem that i was pressuring him. i wanted his explanation because i respect him and was hoping to get insight into his thought process. 4. the 'you're funny' post was directed at Meeko. 5. i've explained my lack of posts. it's up to you to believe my reason or not. 6. after you you go through the effort of building this case against me, you decide to vote for Squink because Bill suspects her. personally i would have just admitted that and not build this WOW. i thought i'd share my thoughts about the others first before voting but: Vote Honest Moleyfor smudging me only to vote elsewhere. i'm also a bit pissed about your claim. either you're withholding something or using your power incorrectly because it just seems useless. Admitted about the "You're funny" bit, since Light and yourself have both pointed it out. But I decide to vote for Squink "because Bill suspects her"? 1) I can't even remember now who pointed out Squink's behavior on Day Three first, myself or Bill. I was looking specifically at all of her posts when I noted it, so it could go either way. However... 2) Do I REALLY seem like the kind of player who would vote for another player because of peer pressure or convention or anything like that? That clearly would be why I voted for Ace, Pinkies, and Meeko, eh? |
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Post by JustBeingGinger on May 25, 2011 18:31:38 GMT -5
Is catching up on all the back and forth between everyone. Still have the really bad head cold, but I am attempting to catch up.
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Post by Merestil Haye on May 25, 2011 19:13:52 GMT -5
I apologise for my silence so far Today. Having just wasted an hour or so down what proved to be a dead end (and even more dozing in my seat) I've just reread Honest Moley's claim in D04.033. I have two issues with the claim. Firstly, we know that at least one of the Mafia had active powers - Meeko was a Mafia-aligned Watcher. That means he'd have had to designate a player to Watch. Now, if the Mafia could designate their actions on their private board, Moley's claimed power is useless at catching Mafiates; they'd never send a PM to the Mod. It can only find Town and self-aligned power roles. It seems to me, then, that Moley's claimed power would be suitable for a Mafiate looking for non-Mafia powers. On the other hand, if the Mafia did have to send their actions to Sister C via PM, Moley should have picked something up. It's not outwith the bounds of possibility that Meeko didn't act on Night 1, of course. I'm not sure I believe that, though I have no evidence one way or another. Secondly, there is an inconsistency between the role PM and the reported Night actions, which I believe has attracted several comments. That is that the role PM does not specify Moley needs to choose a player to eavesdrop on. However, he claims that he's PMd Sister C each Night with a specific name. Why is this necessary? Moley, can you comment on this please? |
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Post by Archangel on May 25, 2011 19:59:11 GMT -5
You're right. Rereading, I missed that there's a Jack. And the lie detector might too, though I'm doubting there is one in the game at this point. But you're right, and I retract that statement entirely under the circumstances. (I still don't think Septimus's statement makes him scum. That would be an awfully dumb scum slip, to mention that Ed is the cop when you know he's going to be killed for being the cop. But I understand where you were coming from w/ that suspicion now.) Huh? So the cop role never crossed your mind then? Why is that? Because Ed was the cop? And it was a town role? How would that explain Septimus's alleged slip? |
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Post by LightFoot on May 25, 2011 20:01:19 GMT -5
@ Bill You chopped the hell out of my post. Did I hit a nerve? I had valid observations about your claim. Are you unwilling to address anything I said? If nothing else could you ‘step down’ for a minute and explain what I got wrong? Are you advocating that everyone should believe without questioning all claims as they are posted? Or just yours? I find it highly suspicious that with all the other unknowns, your focus is on me. Do I represent that great a threat to you and your scum buddies? Did I ruin your Day by focusing on Meeko? Does anyone want to claim Alice? Does anyone want to counterclaim me and claim they killed Colby? Does anyone want to claim they killed Fluid rather than Dirx? The Scum killing Fluid would be a braindead move. I could never "win" while Colby/Alice was alive -- Alice had to go for me to have a win. I’ve questioned every claim. Yours is the most elaborate so it required more words. You seem “rough edged” this Day (or did you forget the sarcasm tags?) It appears that only the dead or someone who has no motivation to do so could confirm/challenge most of your statements above. Before that line starts............ I am neither of those. Often what I think was a post of interest sits like a fart in the closet. Atleast you read that one |
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Post by Holy Moley! on May 25, 2011 20:15:02 GMT -5
I apologise for my silence so far Today. Having just wasted an hour or so down what proved to be a dead end (and even more dozing in my seat) I've just reread Honest Moley's claim in D04.033. I have two issues with the claim. Firstly, we know that at least one of the Mafia had active powers - Meeko was a Mafia-aligned Watcher. That means he'd have had to designate a player to Watch. Now, if the Mafia could designate their actions on their private board, Moley's claimed power is useless at catching Mafiates; they'd never send a PM to the Mod. It can only find Town and self-aligned power roles. It seems to me, then, that Moley's claimed power would be suitable for a Mafiate looking for non-Mafia powers. On the other hand, if the Mafia did have to send their actions to Sister C via PM, Moley should have picked something up. It's not outwith the bounds of possibility that Meeko didn't act on Night 1, of course. I'm not sure I believe that, though I have no evidence one way or another. Secondly, there is an inconsistency between the role PM and the reported Night actions, which I believe has attracted several comments. That is that the role PM does not specify Moley needs to choose a player to eavesdrop on. However, he claims that he's PMd Sister C each Night with a specific name. Why is this necessary? Moley, can you comment on this please? "Each Night, you may choose to eavesdrop on any message sent to or from the Moderator. Before Day breaks you will get one random sentence." I'm not responsible for the wording, but my impression of this - and Sis C has never corrected me - is that I have to choose one person to "eavesdrop" on. Of course I've never had - or, to my recollection, even seen - a role before which allowed a player to be party to private communications between another player and the Mod. Here's the exact wording I have used, each night, to request the use of my power. Subject lines in each case are "Night Action" or "Re: Night Action" or something like that. I bolded the name of the person I wanted to investigate, just as you see below. I'll spare you the quote tags and use italics instead. First here's night one: "I'd like to use my ability on Meeko. Let's see what the little scum is doing while the rest of us are asleep. ;D "Night two: "My ultra hi-tech random number generator (three coins with dots drawn on them, one picked at random from a bag) says I'm going to be listening in on friend Colby tonight."And night three, with my comments to Sis C for completeness: "Ok sorry this is a little late. I have to say, I've been too overcome with shock at Meeko's alignment and role to think about who the heck to target next. I mean, what the HELL?
If he seriously didn't post anything at night, that means he must've been out of contact for the best part of five days. The only reason I didn't claim and pronounce him certain scum was because of that very small possibility. Which now looks like a much larger possibility, unless I was roleblocked.
Anyway, this one's between Septimus and Lightfoot. Let's go for Lightfoot. Hopefully it won't turn out to be as deceptive as the last result! "You already know the results and how they're formatted, which means that you know the entire history of the posts between me and Sis C regarding my role actions. One comment - in case it causes any confusion, I meant certain "town" in the first sentence of the second paragraph of the last message to Sis C, but mistyped. My theory here is that Meeko didn't actually post anything to the Mod at night, not even to use his role. He didn't say he was away (I checked), but it's a simple fact that for a period of about five days, he posted nothing in any of the public threads, and that included Night One. Knowing that he's scum and had a night action, I see nothing particularly improbable in the assumption that he just didn't use it. I have a question. We seem to have gone from the early-game blues into scum-hunting overdrive here. There's literally been questions asked of every player in the game, with two exceptions: Plankton and Storyteller. (Unless I've missed something.) Literally every single player other than those two has been examined, questioned, or generally poked at with a sharp stick. Would somebody - doesn't matter who - mind telling me why they think these two seem to have been excepted? |
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Post by LightFoot on May 25, 2011 20:30:28 GMT -5
@ Moley I am having a hard time recalling much from either of them (besides SP's claim) that sticks out without going back to look specifically.
Maybe no one has seen anything to poke at ?
That was my first thought
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Post by LightFoot on May 25, 2011 21:37:20 GMT -5
Upon review my first thought was accurate. Those two have had mostly very NON stick poking at type posts .
Although in hindsight I wonder why Moley asked "anyone" to take another look at them with out posting his own review?
Just wanted someone else to do his homework? And/ Or didn't want any heat?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on May 25, 2011 23:23:46 GMT -5
I have a question. We seem to have gone from the early-game blues into scum-hunting overdrive here. There's literally been questions asked of every player in the game, with two exceptions: Plankton and Storyteller. (Unless I've missed something.) Literally every single player other than those two has been examined, questioned, or generally poked at with a sharp stick. Would somebody - doesn't matter who - mind telling me why they think these two seem to have been excepted? , is there anything in particular you'd like to ask of me? I've been finding it very difficult, for some reason, to concentrate on this game. I've been reading along, but there's been so much back and forth that I don't seem to be able to keep it all straight. I'm trying to go back over things now to put my thoughts in order, and hopefully I'll be able to do so before too much longer. |
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Post by Holy Moley! on May 25, 2011 23:36:39 GMT -5
Upon review my first thought was accurate. Those two have had mostly very NON stick poking at type posts . Although in hindsight I wonder why Moley asked "anyone" to take another look at them with out posting his own review? Just wanted someone else to do his homework? And/ Or didn't want any heat? Nope, although I will be looking into those guys the same way as I've been looking into several other players so far. I just wanted to get a few reactions from people outside their comfort zone. Guess I got that. When I voted you at the end of Day 3, it was a last desperate attempt to save someone I still thought was town by voting someone I thought could be (but was by no means convinced was) scum. I'm still not convinced either way, which is why I'm voting for Squink and not you right now. You can obviously believe me or not, but I will maintain until either I'm dead or we've won that I acted, however misguidedly, in the best interests of the town as I saw them. What I think you're doing here is looking for anything at all you can use to throw me under the bus, no matter what my alignment is. I don't know if you've made up your mind that I'm scum and therefore see the absolute worst possible interpritation of everything I do, or whether you're scum and want to get rid of someone who can clearly act unpredictably and threatens you personally. I'm certain of two things though: you're not helping the town here, and I can't see the two of us working together while this continues. In short - if you are town, please try and look past my late vote on you yesterday, and see if my actions tally with a genuine albeit misguided townie who regarded Meeko as semi-confirmed town. If you're scum, of course, then this entire post is useless, but what the heck, eh? |
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Post by LightFoot on May 25, 2011 23:41:49 GMT -5
You know the game. Trust only the dead.
I'm trying to ferret out inconsistancies. You have posted a bit to chew on so I chew.
(Bill has the same problem with me)
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Post by Holy Moley! on May 25, 2011 23:47:45 GMT -5
I have a question. We seem to have gone from the early-game blues into scum-hunting overdrive here. There's literally been questions asked of every player in the game, with two exceptions: Plankton and Storyteller. (Unless I've missed something.) Literally every single player other than those two has been examined, questioned, or generally poked at with a sharp stick. Would somebody - doesn't matter who - mind telling me why they think these two seem to have been excepted? , is there anything in particular you'd like to ask of me? Not for the moment, no. I'm not saying I have any particular reason to suspect you; I just wanted to see what people were thinking, get a few reactions, etc. |
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Post by CatInASuit on May 26, 2011 3:20:06 GMT -5
D'oh. Day 2 start, not Day 3. Point still stands though. Ed votes Pinkies (4) CAIS votes Archangel (26) Plankton votes Pinkies (47) Septimus votes CAIS (60) Pinkies votes Archangel (90, forced) Meeko votes Pinkies (156) So you could view it as "everytime someone voted Pinkies, someone else voted Archangel" - or vice versa. Plankton's delayed vote has been verified, it doesn't say anything about his alignment, but I would consider him to be most likely Town. So a "Town" Plankton voting for Pinkies to save a scummy Archangel doesn't gel. You missed a vote. A quite unexplained vote as well. Ed votes Pinkies (4) CIAS votes Archangel (26) Plankton votes Pinkies (47) Septimus votes CIAS (60) Septimus votes Pinkies (88)Pinkies votes Archangel (90, forced) At #108 - the issue with the the votes was noted here, putting Archangel on 3 and Pinkies back on 2. Meeko votes Pinkies (156) Two things: 1. Why did septimus switch his vote citing the same reasons but finding a different person scummy on each occasion. Perhaps you can explain it, because septimus can't/won't. 2. I have a big glass of WIFOM over whether one of SubPlank or Moley are scum. Two outed alleged power roles and the scum are hunting in the unknown pack. What do you think? smudge, smudge, smudge, smudge |
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Post by CatInASuit on May 26, 2011 3:28:41 GMT -5
Huh? So the cop role never crossed your mind then? Why is that? Because Ed was the cop? And it was a town role? How would that explain Septimus's alleged slip? But the other simpler explanation is scum cop with details passed out among the other scum. What I find baffling in that your consideration for septimus is that you are only looking for a town reason to explain it. How can you possibly know septimus' alignment? |
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Post by CatInASuit on May 26, 2011 3:35:32 GMT -5
Finally we have this: "Then again, Meeko's voting Colby; maybe I'll vote Fluid. ;D " Ok, if you're scum, you don't specifically point out how you're differentiating your vote from another scum, unless your name is Zuma. This to me is a MASSIVE town (or at least not-scum) tell - I just do not see Septimus making a statement like this if he's scum and knows Meeko is also. It has to be said: "Scum would totally do that" ;D I have to ask Moley, seeing as septimus has claimed never to have never played scum, how on earth do you know how he would play as scum? |
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Post by BillMc on May 26, 2011 4:27:28 GMT -5
Ed votes Pinkies (4) CAIS votes Archangel (26) Plankton votes Pinkies (47) Septimus votes CAIS (60) Pinkies votes Archangel (90, forced) Meeko votes Pinkies (156) So you could view it as "everytime someone voted Pinkies, someone else voted Archangel" - or vice versa. Plankton's delayed vote has been verified, it doesn't say anything about his alignment, but I would consider him to be most likely Town. So a "Town" Plankton voting for Pinkies to save a scummy Archangel doesn't gel. You missed a vote. A quite unexplained vote as well. Ed votes Pinkies (4) CIAS votes Archangel (26) Plankton votes Pinkies (47) Septimus votes CIAS (60) Septimus votes Pinkies (88)Pinkies votes Archangel (90, forced) At #108 - the issue with the the votes was noted here, putting Archangel on 3 and Pinkies back on 2. Meeko votes Pinkies (156) Two things: 1. Why did septimus switch his vote citing the same reasons but finding a different person scummy on each occasion. Perhaps you can explain it, because septimus can't/won't. 2. I have a big glass of WIFOM over whether one of SubPlank or Moley are scum. Two outed alleged power roles and the scum are hunting in the unknown pack. What do you think? smudge, smudge, smudge, smudgeThanks for the correction, I missed that vote in my notes. I agree that Septimus' vote was weak. Personally, I'm leaning towards town for Moley and Plankton. |
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Post by Merestil Haye on May 26, 2011 6:03:51 GMT -5
"Each Night, you may choose to eavesdrop on any message sent to or from the Moderator. Before Day breaks you will get one random sentence." This is what's bothering me. I read that quote as saying your power is optional; that is, you can choose to use it or not. By comparison, Fluiddruid claimed that her secret Night voting was mandatory, a claim with some objective support - the Day 2 penalty vote on Fluiddruid was (I believe) placed because she failed to vote Night 1. Don't you think you should ask then? I invite you to do so and then inform us of the reply. It's not impossible for a player (of any alignment) to forget to use a Night power; I once forgot to send in a Night investigation as the Cop. It is, however, unlikely, and should not be the first hypothesis. Dunno. Why don't you ask them something? I'll be back after tea. |
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Post by storyteller0910 on May 26, 2011 7:05:25 GMT -5
Going back now to look at the Meeko lynch in light of his revealed alignment. My initial analysis of this bandwagon came at #255 (page 9) of Day 3, for anyone interested.
FIRST VOTE MEEKO: BillMc – Obviously, Bill looks good here, especially since Meeko turned out to be a power role. If Bill were the Scum Godfather bussing for cred, he could have chosen a Scum Vanilla to bus. I can see a distant scenario wherein Bill is the Godfather and this is a very ballsy endgame ploy – remember, the Scum need to have only one player never die in order to eventually win. But on the whole, I think Bill is not worth worrying about right now.
SECOND VOTE MEEKO: guiri – Based on general lack of accountability for vote, avoidance of strong stands, and so on. In many ways, this vote gives me more confidence in guiri than Bill’s vote makes me confident about Bill. If Bill himself is Scum, would a Scum guiri really hop on the bandwagon that quickly? If Bill is Town, and his initial vote is Town, does a Scum guiri sweeten the deal like this and dramatically increase Meeko’s risk of death?
THIRD VOTE MEEKO: Archangel – Hated this vote, as it was a vote in defense of BillMc rather than a real vote against Meeko. But with Meeko turning out to be Scum, if Archangel were bussing, why not produce some real reasons to vote for Meeko so that her vote looks less prominent?
FOURTH VOTE MEEKO: JustBeingGinger – Vote comes after a long break in the action, where no one has been paying attention to Meeko for a while. This vote opens the floodgates and really is the catalyst for the Meeko lynch. I didn’t like the reasoning, but the only way Ginger is Scum is if Meeko’s death was a well-planned bussing, which would mean, I think, that one of the first three voters was also Scum.
FIFTH VOTE MEEKO: gnarlycharly – From a purely mechanical standpoint, this vote is suspicious. The chances that Meeko will be lynched have swollen considerably now. This vote stands a good chance of being lost in the flood. Also, charly’s reasons for his vote are questionable: he says that Meeko hasn’t expressed any suspicious (Meeko had) and spends a lot of his voting text (below) referencing others who agree with him. Red flag, warranting further study.
SIXTH VOTE MEEKO: septimus – I did not like this vote, Sam I Am. Voting quote:
I am having difficulty articulating my objection here, but voting for Meeko to “make it more likely that Scum is Lycnhed” and then going away for the rest of the Day only makes sense if you are very confident that Meeko is Scum and that his competition is Town… yet septimus is also leaning away from this vote, by clarifying that Squink, not Meeko, is his chief suspect.
CONCLUSIONS: Bill, guiri, and Ginger probably don’t warrant a vote for today. I’m not sure about Archangel right now and I have strong suspicions of septimus and gnarlycharly.
Next step: revisiting the lynch of ace on Day One.
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Post by Archangel on May 26, 2011 7:19:41 GMT -5
Because Ed was the cop? And it was a town role? How would that explain Septimus's alleged slip? But the other simpler explanation is scum cop with details passed out among the other scum. What I find baffling in that your consideration for septimus is that you are only looking for a town reason to explain it. How can you possibly know septimus' alignment? I don't see a scum cop as being likely in this game when they had a watcher and they appear to have a politician. (I know a politician could be town. I don't think s/he is, though, and even if s/he is, a politician is not a role that truly helps town because the politician can misuse his/her powers.) If Honest Moley is telling the truth, then that's another role that doesn't really help town either. I don't believe he is, I think a gossip as stated in his PM would be more useful to scum. But again, either way, if he's town, his role detracts from town, if he's scum, that detracts from town too. So, so far town has a dead-cop and someone who claims to have had a one-shot protection, and there are a bunch of roles claimed that, whether town or scum, hurt town. I don't see scum also having a role-investigating cop. I don't know Septimus' alignment at all. I just think it's more likely that this was a coincidence. Cap was town and had his vote bought on me-- I'm town (I know you don't know this, but I do). Now I'm town and my vote was bought on Septimus (another townie, like me, who seems likely to be the target of a mislynch). Whether the politician is town or scum, I see a pattern here. I can't win this argument with you, though. If he dies and flips scum, then I'll be scum trying to save a scum buddy. If he dies and flips town, then I must be scum who "knew" that and tried to get town cred for it. So I will go on doing what I think is the right thing to do-- argue against the lynch of someone who I believe is town. Especially when I have a forced vote on him and it's a vote I don't believe in. |
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