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Post by Inner Stickler on Mar 3, 2012 15:27:15 GMT -5
Confirmed. Inner, that list adds up to 25. There was a hidden player clearly! I pulled it from the player list where the roles were colorcoded blue, red and purple for our convenience. NAF's role, that of the mason chief alternated blue and purple letters. I'm assuming he had dual wincons and could either win with town or on his own. I never read the game so I'm just drawing what seems to me to be the simplest conclusion. If a player who knows what went down in the game wants to clarify, I have no objections.
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Post by Rysto on Mar 3, 2012 16:08:18 GMT -5
If the Penguin (NAF) was alive at endgame and the masons outnumbered the rest of the town, the masons won alone.
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Post by Meeko on Mar 3, 2012 16:13:56 GMT -5
Oh, and since someone is bound to ask eventually: I do not plan to deploy my vote analysis program in this game. Sometimes it works really well, but sometimes it works terribly, and I do not know how to easily distinguish which is happening, which makes it of strictly limited usefulness, and probably not worth the trouble. And there was much rejoicing /Python But no, Chronos, I already got my Dig in on your program up thread, when someone asked to rehash previous games. [It's the same list where I mentioned Potatoes and Handshaking Croutons.]
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Post by Meeko on Mar 3, 2012 16:19:03 GMT -5
But it's still better if they have some guidance they can choose to ignore. <snipped> this is how i deal with my wife. I'm sorry, Did Peeker say something?
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Post by Chronos on Mar 3, 2012 16:35:09 GMT -5
In general, I think it's usually best for a standard optional vig to hold es fire for the first few Nights, since kills that early are going to be pretty close to random. It's necessary for Town to make those nearly-random kills via the lynch, since votes generate the hard data that we need to do better than random, but Vig kills don't generate nearly as much information to compensate. An optional vig really becomes most valuable in the mid to late game when there are a lot of confirmed, when e can shrink the unconfirmed pool.
That said, given the precedents both of the previous Arkham game and of Storyteller's previous games, I don't actually expect any role as simple as a straightforward optional vig. Maybe there will be people who kill only under certain circumstances, and have to do so as soon as those circumstances come up. Maybe there are killers who have a shortened list of possible valid targets. Maybe there are people who face extra consequences, or extra benefits, for killing. Maybe there are people with a variety of powers, and who always have to choose which one to use. Maybe (almost certainly) there are other possible complications that haven't occurred to me. And even with a conventional Vig, there are exceptions, like when someone else false-claims and you can counterclaim with a bullet. Each power role knows how es power works better than any of us do, and so is in a better position than we are to figure out how best to use it.
I think I touched on this already, but I don't have any problem with policy votes per se. And in fact, some policies are excellent: For instance, if someone claims Detective and fingers someone as Scum, it's almost always the correct play to lynch the person they fingered. And at worst, a policy vote is generally no worse than not voting at all (unless your policy leads you to vote for a confirmed mason, or the like). And clearly, it makes no sense to make a policy of lynching anyone who makes a policy vote. The problem comes when someone hides behind a policy to justify ignoring more egregious behavior. For instance, if someone were to edit their post right now, I wouldn't be surprised to see a number of votes for them immediately (and mine might even be among them), since this early in the game, but if it were late game, and someone has voted at the last minute on each of the last three days to change the lynchee to someone who turned out to be Town, or to save someone who turned out to be Scum, and gave no reason for any of those votes, but then someone else edited a post, it'd be absurd to vote for the editor when there's such an obvious better target.
Inner Stickler, I think you were asking Rysto, but if an outed Vig ignores the Town's consensus, I would expect that person to have an explanation for why they acted as they did, and my reaction would depend on the explanation. And if the Vig isn't outed, then I think the matter is relatively moot, since we probably wouldn't even be able to tell who's responsible for which deaths.
askthepizzaguy, I think everyone here understands that typos and such happen occasionally, and will be forgiving if you just leave them in place, or if necessary follow up with another post to correct it. The thing is, even if it was just a typo you were correcting, the rest of us have no way of knowing that. And there have been cases in the past where someone's done something like posting to the public thread "OK, who should we kill toNight?", or the like, where that player is pretty much forced to edit. When we see an edited post, we don't know if it was a simple mistake or an erased Scum slip.
And Meeko is actually peeker's wife? That explains so much...
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Post by Inner Stickler on Mar 3, 2012 16:42:32 GMT -5
Thank you for your answers. I disagree with the opinion of the vig a little. (The moderator has balanced the game assuming that the role will be used and I'm a fervent believer that a vig with no better options who targets either a nonparticipatory player or a lynch runner-up is really only going to help town even if they knock off a lot of townies.)
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Post by storyteller0910 on Mar 3, 2012 16:52:32 GMT -5
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