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Post by LightFoot on Mar 11, 2012 23:25:31 GMT -5
Chronos wanted a line from my PM I didn't invent one...... have at the mod if you wish. my character has been frustrated as I read it with the scum ruling the city.. read my good guy bad guy comments in that context. and yes I did ask the mod if good guy denoted alignment or character name. to date no reply I find this particularly hard to believe. Story is an upfront kind of a mod. I am quite sure that you should know your alignment. vote lightfootI know MY alignment . my Q was different. do you read these things?
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Post by Pollux Oil on Mar 11, 2012 23:27:26 GMT -5
Nothing personal, you understand Pollux, and I don't intend to keep this vote on you. Just curious if anything changes on your display. No offense taken. Votes for SCIENCE! are fine, but please don't vote for me seven times or vote/unvote me seven times or really do anything seven times in my general direction until I've sussed out as much information as I can from our helpful mod. ---- The entire Silver Jan & Lightfoot situation is two people I have trouble parsing on a good day getting into a pretty big scuffle. I have to say I'm a little disappointed in the quick jumps against Lightfoot. Considering Penguin turned up scum I'm not jumping to any conclusions about true alignment here. We can't trust any information Ed gave us, especially the stuff about recruiting as he may have said that just to scare us. Jumping on Robin just because he's named Robin is a little silly given the information we've already acquired. Something else to consider as an idea: maybe there are multiple scum teams? There's a "good guy" team with Batman/Robin/etc. and a "bad guy" team with baddies such as the Penguin who are working towards their own nefarious ends? It would explain the three kills, and I wouldn't be surprised if this strapping bomb of doom that's attached to me is the work of some PFK. Although honestly, strapped a huge ACME dynamite bomb to someone does seem very Adam West-era Batmany, so anybody like the Penguin or someone on the scum team with gadgets could easily have done it as well. Who knows. The anagram looks OK, but it really has nothing to do with Robin. I'm quite sure that the anagrams were supposed to be a sentence that had to do with your character. That sentence could have been in almost anyone's PM. The longer it takes to see your PM, the more inclined we are to think that the scum team is back there scrambling trying to create one. This is kind of weird reasoning. As far as I can tell, what Lightfoot quoted is extremely suited to a good guy who doesn't like how the bad guys are taking over the town. It definitely suits Robin more than say....Killer Croc or Clayface or Mr. Freeze or countless others. Now, whether Lightfoot's alignment is scum or town can't really be parsed by that one sentence. I'm going to give this a day ( real life wise) because the reactionary in me wants to say Ok really so there- and post PM. but I won't . giving you my everything right now is not a bonus for town. and i am not lynched yet. there is time I gots a question for you Lightfoot. Is there anything you can quote from your PM without revealing powers/etc. that explains why you aren't on the side of Batman this time around? Like, why are you siding with the villains in taking out the Bat? In texcat's PM, Ra's motivation is he wants to wipe out Gotham. What's your reason? That could help us out a little bit.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 11, 2012 23:30:47 GMT -5
Cookies, why are you being so careful where Lightfoot is concerned, when you were so gung-ho about Pleonast yesterDay? To me, someone named "Robin" looks a heck of a lot more suspect than a third-party. Here, you've been urging us to consider every possibility that could conceivably clear Lightfoot, while you refused to consider any such possibility where Pleo was concerned. Do you not acknowledge that there are precedents for Mods switching up alignment wrt canon? Given that we've already had the Penguin flip as Scum, you don't have to look very far. So no, I categorically disagree that in a closed game such as this, any player's role name is sufficient on its own to be seen as suspect, no matter what that name is or how important they are to whatever story lines have inspired the game design. And I do fully encourage everyone to consider every possibility when it comes to LightFoot and every other player. Especially people inclined to vote for them based solely on the results of an alleged and unconfirmed name investigator, as you were so eager to do after Jan's reveal. I am familiar with the fact that Pleo likes to make big early moves that make little or no sense to anyone else, and lynching a claimed 3rd Party is a very different thing than lynching a claimed Townie. One is a null on the wincon chart (setting aside any powers) and the other advances the wincon of the other team. I don't know anything about how multiple people in this game play, including LightFoot, and her Day 1 posts about alignment and canon read like someone legitimately confused...or trying to look like they're legitimately confused...about some key mechanics (and methods of clearly communicating them) in the game. "Because she's Robin and most of the dead Scum have been Robin's allies in the canon, I think she's scum" is not playing Mafia, and that has been what entirely too much of the vote justifications have been. Then there's the apparent communication issues where multiple people have tried to set expectations or offer suggestions of how to communicate about roles and PMs and perfect information and claims and such, but these people that I've never played with (Silver Jan, LightFoot, SBrown) didn't seem to be reading them or understanding them. SBrown didn't have to remove her vote for me to be reassured that she was hearing what I was trying to say, but I at least know now that she got where I was coming from, which is not something I can really say about the other two at this point. During those moments when I am considering the possibilities that Jan, Light and I might be on the same team, that is a bit frustrating. It is not as fun to play (or design) a closed game where people are going to get lynch-happy just because of what a role name is vs weighing actions and votes and contributions to the game or weighing consequences of being led up shit creek without about by the notion of the canon being gospel. It is not as fun to play a game where confusion or misunderstanding of the game (or history, or personalities) results in power roles claiming too early, or players digging themselves further into a communication hole because they think someone trying to to give them advice in the spirit of keeping the game as fun and interesting as possible is just blowing hot air, or being mean. I did get a bit testy with LightFoot earlier, but in my defense she responded to a perfectly reasonable question/request from Sinjin with a snarky attitude suggesting that Sinjin was the one who hadn't been reading the game. The irony burned its way through my civility, considering I'd spent multiple posts trying to ask similar questions and make similar requests. Just getting her to say "Yes, I'm Robin" was like pulling teeth and I just could not fathom why she wasn't aware of which ships had sailed and which ones were still safely in the harbor. I still can't fathom it.
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Post by LightFoot on Mar 11, 2012 23:38:04 GMT -5
I posted as I caught up - perhaps I should have waited til I read eveything but i didn't. poo I like to " play "this game . when it elevates my BP I turn off the computer
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Post by Chronos on Mar 12, 2012 1:34:29 GMT -5
Killing Pleonast advanced the Scum win condition exactly as much as killing a Townie would have. And we were pretty darned sure that he wasn't Scum, so killing him didn't advance our own win condition one iota. With LightFoot, though, there is very strong evidence that she's Scum, in which case killing her does advance our win condition.
And yes, I'm aware that there is a possibility that she's Robin and yet Town aligned. The fact that her role name is Robin is not 100% certain proof that she's Scum. It is, however, extremely strong evidence that to that effect, since most games have the names match alignment completely, and even those games that don't generally only have one or two exceptions, often in cases that are ambiguous anyway. If we're going to ignore evidence that strong, then we might as well just give up and vote "no lynch" every Day until we're wiped out, because nothing is going to convince us to act.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Mar 12, 2012 1:39:59 GMT -5
Sorry for not posting much this game...after coming back from my mom's visit, I found I was sick. SHE was sick while I was visiting, so it turns out she gave it to me. I've been doing most of my time sleeping 14-18 hours a day since I've been back.
I don't want to sub out, though, so I'll keep on keeping on as best as I can. I'd understand if I get lynched due to inactivity/lurking too much, though. If that happens, I'm fine with it. Or any other reason, even.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Mar 12, 2012 1:51:50 GMT -5
Caught up, finally. My 2 cents: If Jan is to be believed and she's a "Name Cop" or whatever the term for it is, then there must be some reason it's in the game...therefore the results must hold SOME weight. As already pointed out, though, Penguin was on the good guy (scum) side, though. I'm not familiar with the Batman universe, but did Penguin ever turn good or work with Batman? I always thought he was a bad guy... so that is a point in favor of names not meaning anything....but again, I come back to why have a Name Cop in the game at all then, unless it's equal to an unreliable cop.
But what gets me the most is how Lightfoot doesn't want to post a word for word quote of her PM, which has been said many times is allowed. It feels like scum trying to buy time to write up a good one/one that sounds believable...so with that
Unvote Hal Vote Lightfoot
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 12, 2012 2:26:36 GMT -5
Killing Pleonast advanced the Scum win condition exactly as much as killing a Townie would have. And we were pretty darned sure that he wasn't Scum, so killing him didn't advance our own win condition one iota. With LightFoot, though, there is very strong evidence that she's Scum, in which case killing her does advance our win condition. We're apparently never going to agree on Pleo, Chronos, or whether he was a valid lynch. Your maths approach says nothing about the noise or chaos or death that may have continued if he had lived longer with his holding the Town hostage to his world view and Swiss Army knife of Hal Temptations. It says nothing about the probability of Pleo making a similar early gambit play with a Town-aligned killing role, or a lying early Gambit as Scum or PFK. Eliminating all of that was worth going against the grain of the straight up probabilities imho. I also only represent one of many votes responsible for lynching him. Following the canon is circumstantial evidence, at best. Not unqualified evidence. And certainly not strong evidence. And absolutely not "very strong evidence". Evidence is her posts and her votes, not her rolename in a game that already shows that rolenames are not always going to match canon. And you can take your "they're often ambiguous" telepathy of Storyteller's mind and play with it somewhere not in my general vicinity. Penguin is not very ambiguous to me. The Firefly traitors were not ambiguous to me. I have no idea where Storyteller zigged where most people will assume he zagged, and it isn't as fun trying to figure that out instead of interacting with the other players.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Mar 12, 2012 3:37:50 GMT -5
Lightfoot should survive today, IMO.
1) She's not going anywhere 2) If she's townie, this is a bad lynch 3) If she's not townie, we have ways of finding out.
Specific reasoning will come later. In general-
Detectives kill discussion. Go back to accusing people based on no evidence, please. You're at your strongest when you do. That's when mafia actually try to do things instead of nod and go uh-huh and do whatever you do. That's what leaves a trail of breadcrumbs. That's how you catch all of them, not just one.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Mar 12, 2012 3:47:34 GMT -5
Case in point, re: Discussion.
I was able to get caught up on this discussion without much effort. Usually this game is moving too fast for me to get a handle on things because of all the hours I work.
If people are nominating folks for death based on nothing, or gut, that reveals motivations or tactics. If people are voting for strongly suspected scum-based-on-name and it's a runaway, there's nothing further to discuss and no reason for the mafia to change behavior in any way. If you're wrong it also pressures no scums.
If you're right, you'll find out very soon. And she will still end up dead.
That's a good thing.
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Post by Silver Jan on Mar 12, 2012 3:58:31 GMT -5
Yes my character name is Robin and I am Town.. sorta explains some of my earlier comments D1 I haven't read to the end yet but this is what I got back from the Mod There is no color in the PM because your role does not investigate alignment... only name. Read more: idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=pmview&view=1&id=43637#ixzz1otJ9MsQ2So I do only have the name and not alignment.
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Post by BillMc on Mar 12, 2012 4:11:40 GMT -5
Catching up... In the light of Ed's flip, a re-read of D1 put MHaye at the top of my suspect list - his late vote on Texcat was very weak -- and I see from today that Texcat is claiming that kill. There is potentially one piece of additional information we could conclude from this - the scum don't have a doc type power - otherwise the smart move would have been to protect MHaye. Ed made a several references to finding batman throughout the day - this may suggest the scum team are not in communication with each other until they "find batman" or some form of recruitment. It was also interesting to note that while Pleo disapproved of Ed's edit - he only said he would kill Ed after Ed voted him. Was Ed trying to recruit the Joker? Pleo has been harping on me for sending a secret message. Most everyone agrees that is unlikely. But what if his harping on a secret message is a breadcrumb of some sort? What if he needs Batman or someone to contact him. Is that enough of a breadcrumb to get noticed? I think so. No, I don't trust his claim and I don't trust his actions. I believe he should be lynched. I'm going to try and. Pre from my phone. Vote: pleonast [\vote]The other thing that still pings me is Total's initial vote for texcat posts 409,410,411 - where she accidentally votes Pleo then texcat. Just seems strange - but I see she has subsequently claimed mason with IS. On to today... So in the red corner of the playground we have Silver Jan with the argument "Lightfoot is Robin, so Lightfoot must be Scum". In the blue corner of the playground we have Lightfoot "ok, I'm Robin, but I'm Town" The two of them are behaving liking children hauled up in front of the teacher - sayng nothing useful except pointing at each other. Given MHaye's flip, Name=Alignment cannot be categorically true. It is surprising, given that flip, that Silver Jan jumped to the conclusion that Robin=Scum. SilverJan appears to be claimed some sort of namecop - but MHaye's flip makes her a weak cop as her evidence, on its own, is not conclusive.
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Post by Total Ullz on Mar 12, 2012 4:31:18 GMT -5
Jan didn't get alignment info, though. She just got a name and with the Penguin revealed as scum, I think it's too early to start deciding people are millers. I guess that if Robin could be a Miller-role then Penguin could be a Godfather-role.
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Post by Total Ullz on Mar 12, 2012 4:35:51 GMT -5
Robin- Almost all but 1 of the Robin's have been staunch allies of Batman. There is one Robin who actually turns out to be a Batman villain, and I'm curious to hear from Lightfoot the flavor of her PM and if she may claim to be this one villainous Robin. Even thought LF has had a chance to read up on Robin in a wiki, I'd still like to hear the answer to this question as well. Also - I would like to know why it hasn't been answered yet.
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Post by Total Ullz on Mar 12, 2012 4:40:05 GMT -5
I'm starting to feel like I'm in that game where half of the players were recruited from the Facebook group again. Not an uncomfortable feeling, more like waking up hung over in Cabo with no money and the only things I know how to say in Spanish are "you have nice breasts" and "where is the dentist?" Ouch!! Was it really that bad? I remember you complaining back then but I didn't realize how strongly you (and Sinjin) felt about it in the game
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Post by Silver Jan on Mar 12, 2012 4:40:21 GMT -5
I know damn well that my "evidence" is not conclusive but there was a reason that I wanted to investigate LighFoot, call it a gut feel or whatever but I have played a few games with her and she is usually verbose and in this game she hasn't been. As scum she will talk the hind leg off a donkey behind the scenes (ie scum thread) but says very little in the main thread. Ask LightFoot what happened to her last night because she should have had a response from the Mod due to me checking her out. Hehe about the children thing, we might have both missed that by 30 years. (We happen to be, near as damnit, the same age)
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Post by Total Ullz on Mar 12, 2012 4:53:31 GMT -5
The other thing that still pings me is Total's initial vote for texcat posts 409,410,411 - where she accidentally votes Pleo then texcat. Just seems strange - but I see she has subsequently claimed mason with IS. It was a simple mistake by copy/paste. If you quote my 3 posts you will see I bleached Texcat's Pleo-vote by writing black instead of blue in her post. The I did a copy/paste and changed the name from Pleo to Texcat (but forgot to change black back to blue). So my first vote ended up being black. I then wrote my next post and pasted the SAME back in. This time remembering to switch black back to blue AND forgetting to switch the name from Pleo to Texcat. I posted and saw my mistake and made my last post changing both colour and name
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Post by Total Ullz on Mar 12, 2012 4:59:15 GMT -5
Ask LightFoot what happened to her last night because she should have had a response from the Mod due to me checking her out. Why haven't you asked her this? I take from your reaction of her being Robin that there is a connection in your PM in regards to alignment=name. I have to say that the same is the case in my Role. I don't think we should name claim or anything. But I think it's worth considering for now that there might be in some cases.
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Post by Silver Jan on Mar 12, 2012 5:14:57 GMT -5
Ask LightFoot what happened to her last night because she should have had a response from the Mod due to me checking her out. Why haven't you asked her this? I take from your reaction of her being Robin that there is a connection in your PM in regards to alignment=name. I have to say that the same is the case in my Role. I don't think we should name claim or anything. But I think it's worth considering for now that there might be in some cases. I haven't asked her just because I am an idiot. LightFoot what, if any, response did you get from the Mod at Dawn?
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Post by SBrOwn on Mar 12, 2012 5:16:09 GMT -5
I'm going to give this a day ( real life wise) because the reactionary in me wants to say Ok really so there- and post PM. but I won't . giving you my everything right now is not a bonus for town. and i am not lynched yet. there is time As one of the people, who stopped to give you the benefit of the doubt- your play is not helping you so far. I was hoping for an explaination- not even a full role claim- but something that would reveal your flavor- the motivations for who you are and what you're doing. So far you're delaying. Which... worries me. Because Townies shouldn't have to delay- because then you're wasting the Town's time. IF you delay, you continue to let the discussion build up about you, and you waste our precious time to find the scum (if you're not the scum). For SCUM however, it's good for them to delay, and to try to draw things out and to try to try to wiggle out of the noose or to try to distract the town until it's too late. If you're town, you should be doing your part just as much to help out the rest of the Town not focus on you. Just saying "I'm town! Don't look at me, guys!" is not a great way to go about it. Also, the "giving it a day" business. That's just really scummy behavior. Maybe if you're Blood pressure is going up because of the game- you should tell us why- talk it out rather than just walking away and leaving the town hanging, and forcing us to waste a day for you to come back to the computer. Even I know this isn't a good idea. And it makes me wonder if you're stuck in a tight spot and trying to figure out how to escape.
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Post by SBrOwn on Mar 12, 2012 5:16:44 GMT -5
Even thought LF has had a chance to read up on Robin in a wiki, I'd still like to hear the answer to this question as well. Also - I would like to know why it hasn't been answered yet. Did you want me to answer this Question, or did you want Lightfoot to try to give her answer first with her flavor.
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Post by SBrOwn on Mar 12, 2012 5:19:21 GMT -5
Detectives kill discussion. Go back to accusing people based on no evidence, please. You're at your strongest when you do. That's when mafia actually try to do things instead of nod and go uh-huh and do whatever you do. That's what leaves a trail of breadcrumbs. That's how you catch all of them, not just one. Are you talking to a specific person here? Because this just seems like a terrible idea. Unless you're trying to be sarcastic.
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Post by SBrOwn on Mar 12, 2012 5:40:43 GMT -5
So here's my thoughts out loud.
Silver Jan seems to be a NameCop or claimed a similar type of power- She can ID names, not alignments.
She has also noted that Lightfoot is Robin.
Now, Lightfoot agrees she is Robin, States she is Town, will not quote her PM "i am not lynched yet. there is time" and is refusing to answer further questions for a day.
Now, this information in itself does not seem like Good Townie behavior. What possible motivation could a Townsperson have to delay revealing their information until later in a day, when they've already accumulated several votes? --I was thinking well maybe she fears some sort of action against her? Like a Day Kill or something? But we hadn't seen that Day1, and honestly, I don't see how claiming Tuesday vs. Wednesday vs. Monday is going to benefit her MORE if she's town. All it's going to do is suck us into further debate about her motivations for delaying.
Next Thought:
Chronos states he knows one role not in the game- Tetch the Mad Hatter. -If the Penguin is scum, and Canon does NOT equal Alignment 100%, then why does Chronos need this information? Why is there a possible name cop in the game? -->I have to wonder- is there even the existence of Fake Role PMs then? If there are no Fake Role PMs, then Chronos is either lying about his knowledge, or he was given useless information (unless there was some chance that a Scummy person would want to claim the Mad Hatter for some reason). -->If there are no fake Role PMs, then why is there a potential NameCop? What's the point of finding out names? Unless there is more to the power- or maybe there is a need to find a specific person by said NameCop. -Jan notes there is a message being passed, so there may be more to her role, and so that's possible.
That said- I'm still wondering- Are there fake Role PMs in the game then- because why would there be if Scum was made up of a mix. After 1-2 deaths of Baddie Names turned up scum or a Townie Do-Gooder, it'd totally remove that idea. Perhaps there are some roles that are switched like Penguin and all, but can we say then 100% that that is the case and that it's not just the exception that proves the rule? I think we still need more data.
The acrostics idea I think was actually now a really interesting and good idea. It's locking people into their roles, and with a NAME cop potential- it's also destroying the chances of Fake Role PMs being use.
Lightfoot did not claim Robin, Silver Jan outted her as Robin. I wonder if maybe Scum did not expect that sort of behavior. If they had fake role PMs, and one was The Mad Hatter, they could all discard that fake role, and stick with the other roles if any given. But if there were fake Role PMs then Jan's power is immensely useful- it's going to force scum to have to reveal their Real role PMs (whose flavor may not exactly come up pro-Town) or force them to have to edit their PMs on the fly because they didn't expect to have their REAL NAMES used- regardless of name to alignment. -->This is why I'm suspicious of Jan's delaying tactics and not wanting to reveal her Role PM. It should be simple to post a few lines, w/o revealing her powers or anything like that, but to at least show how her Robin fits into this Gotham universe. I'm curious what her first few lines of her post actually are- if she has a quote like Pleo's Joker and Ra's, and if it actually fits the idea of an "evil Robin".
Those are kinda my thoughts aloud. My Questions I guess that I'm trying to answer:
Because for all the people saying Name doesn't equal alignment I can get get that.But how does one justify the delaying tactics of Lightfoot as helpful to removing the discussion from her?
And how does Chronos' information about a fake role fit into all this if name doesn't have anything to do with alignment? Why do we need to know the Mad Hatter isn't in the game? Unless it's just to explain that Mad Hatter (a bomber in Arkham 1), is NOT behind the bombs here. But that's rather a long way to go to explain that, and even that's kinda iffy.
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Post by Total Ullz on Mar 12, 2012 5:52:26 GMT -5
FTR, I am still highly skeptical of Chronos, and think he must have some ulterior motive to asking for acronyms. But I fail to see any downside in providing my acronym: iayntathotdiatuhdyaIf you are highly skeptical and think he must have an ulterior motive, why don't you see a downside? Honestly, I don't know what it is about this game, but I'm just believing people. I think Pleo's role is as stated. I think Chronos has been honest about his "knowing the fake role" thingy, too. Gut feelings on both. /oog I am in bed with a terrible cold and feeling very sorry for myself. I have to say re-reading some of yesterDays posts from Peeker and Ed is making me laugh so hard it almost hurts Back to the game: FTR, I am still highly skeptical of Chronos, and think he must have some ulterior motive to asking for acronyms. But I fail to see any downside in providing my acronym: iayntathotdiatuhdyaIf you are highly skeptical and think he must have an ulterior motive, why don't you see a downside? Honestly, I don't know what it is about this game, but I'm just believing people. I think Pleo's role is as stated. I think Chronos has been honest about his "knowing the fake role" thingy, too. Gut feelings on both. The thing is as Scum you often have this problem that you trust players like Pleo and Chronos. Because you know they are not on the Scum-team. So it really pings me to read that from Mahaloth. It's not a solid thing to work from but I just wanted it out here. We tend to stop Scum-hunting when we have investigations to discuss. I think we should try not to do so in this game.
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Post by Total Ullz on Mar 12, 2012 5:56:06 GMT -5
Even thought LF has had a chance to read up on Robin in a wiki, I'd still like to hear the answer to this question as well. Also - I would like to know why it hasn't been answered yet. Did you want me to answer this Question, or did you want Lightfoot to try to give her answer first with her flavor. I would very much like LF to answer this So if you would wait, I'll throw a bunny or two your way:
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Post by Drain Bead on Mar 12, 2012 6:07:38 GMT -5
Is it worth having everyone say in the thread if their name matches their alignment with the color? I expect most of us to have "yes" answers.
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Post by Meeko on Mar 12, 2012 6:34:41 GMT -5
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I don't follow this, AT ALL.
That's not surprising. If we lynch Lightfoot and she's Robin, then we know that Silver Jan has the power she's claimed as it's clear from the thread that the two are not communicating via other means. So the only way for Jan to know her name is via a power. Of course, if we lynch Lightfoot and she's not Robin, then poor Jan looks terribly set up, doesn't she. If we lynch Jan and she's town, yay, we just mislynched. If we lynch Jan and she's scum, we still know nothing about Lightfoot as they could be scumbuddies and Jan knew Lightfoot's name from sharing PMs in a scum thread. I dislike the entire free pass that Silver Jan gets here, is all. It seems to set up a precedent that we don't need in our games. To that end, I don't think it needs to become a precedent. I think this must mean we are not looking at something we need to look at here. 1.If they are scumbuddies, then voting for Silver Jan shouldn't matter. 2.Does Lightfoot have motivation to lie right now? 2.5 Stalling on the role claim, notwithstanding. But that's not a lie in my book. 2.75 Now, if Lightfoot does claim, then at that moment, the revealed information might be a lie, but stalling is not a lie. 3.So how can Jan be set up then? 3.5 I find your diction here.... mildly pinging. 4.You speak of mislynch for Silver Jan. 4.5 But not of Lightfoot, who has claimed alignment. 4.75 There is STILL a burden of proof needed here, that is NOT on LIghtfoot. 4.81 Why is there no similar ..... sympathy for the possible mislych of Lightfoot? Wouldnt a mislynch be a mislynch, be a mislynch? If we lynch Jan and she's scum, we still know nothing about Lightfoot as they could be scumbuddies and Jan knew Lightfoot's name from sharing PMs in a scum thread. 5.What's wrong with lynching scum again? 5.5 Could we not move on to Lightfoot AFTER Silver Jan?! -------------------- OOG I've got a long day at work today. Will get back to the game late Monday night. /OOG
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Post by Silver Jan on Mar 12, 2012 6:37:02 GMT -5
Is it worth having everyone say in the thread if their name matches their alignment with the color? I expect most of us to have "yes" answers. As being one of the very few that knows next to nothing about Batman, I don't know if my name matches my alignment I do think that he was a magician or what not in a British TV series.
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Post by Silver Jan on Mar 12, 2012 6:42:55 GMT -5
Lynching you makes more sense in terms of getting answers than lynching her.
I don't follow this, AT ALL. It sets up an efficient machine to kill those innocent until proven guilty, without the due checks and balances of the accuser. Vote Silver JanThis "I'm going to allege things about X, Vote X" and most players then Voting X with out question, is not good for us. The mind set right before this [as Inner is showing] is not much better. [/size][/quote] To be fair, "innocent until proven guilty" is not exactly a tenet of mafia.[/quote] To be fairer, we shouldn't stop questioning options. We shouldn't take what one person says as gospel truth, if it's not Word of Mod. We should never let up looking at anyone. Doubly so for someone who hijacks the game, and holds all the marbles. How does Silver Jan outing Light foot differ from Pleonast revealing? That's not surprising. If we lynch Lightfoot and she's Robin, then we know that Silver Jan has the power she's claimed as it's clear from the thread that the two are not communicating via other means. So the only way for Jan to know her name is via a power. Of course, if we lynch Lightfoot and she's not Robin, then poor Jan looks terribly set up, doesn't she. If we lynch Jan and she's town, yay, we just mislynched. If we lynch Jan and she's scum, we still know nothing about Lightfoot as they could be scumbuddies and Jan knew Lightfoot's name from sharing PMs in a scum thread. [/quote] I dislike the entire free pass that Silver Jan gets here, is all. It seems to set up a precedent that we don't need in our games. To that end, I don't think it needs to become a precedent. I think this must mean we are not looking at something we need to look at here. 1.If they are scumbuddies, then voting for Silver Jan shouldn't matter. 2.Does Lightfoot have motivation to lie right now? 2.5 Stalling on the role claim, notwithstanding. But that's not a lie in my book. 2.75 Now, if Lightfoot does claim, then at that moment, the revealed information might be a lie, but stalling is not a lie. 3.So how can Jan be set up then? 3.5 I find your diction here.... mildly pinging. 4.You speak of mislynch for Silver Jan. 4.5 But not of Lightfoot, who has claimed alignment. 4.75 There is STILL a burden of proof needed here, that is NOT on LIghtfoot. 4.81 Why is there no similar ..... sympathy for the possible mislych of Lightfoot? Wouldnt a mislynch be a mislynch, be a mislynch? If we lynch Jan and she's scum, we still know nothing about Lightfoot as they could be scumbuddies and Jan knew Lightfoot's name from sharing PMs in a scum thread. 5.What's wrong with lynching scum again? 5.5 Could we not move on to Lightfoot AFTER Silver Jan?! -------------------- OOG I've got a long day at work today. Will get back to the game late Monday night. /OOG [/quote] Nice one Meeko (SARCASM) If I had found out about a role that I hadn't a cookin clue as to what the alignment could be I would have kept my damn mouth shut, as it was I though t that Robin looked scummy. I could be totally wrong here but I though it better to share my info now rather than later. I could be dead later and then Town would have nothing to work with. Big FOS at Meeko, probably just because I am angry
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Post by scáthach on Mar 12, 2012 6:43:31 GMT -5
Sorry guys, was on the tear this weekend and so spent all of Sunday far too hungover to do anything like read the thread. Catching up now
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