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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 22, 2012 20:47:52 GMT -5
Total is the Towniest Townie on the table right now, with her fellow mason Inner Stickler having flipped as Town. I also think the alleged recruitment attempt that Total received is probably bunk. Supporting evidence is Texcat's alleged Night 2 note filled with lies about Total.
Whoever sent the message to Total knew that she is the Towniest Townie on the table, and that she would relay the contents of the message post-haste, and that Hal would be the first person that people would wonder about since he was the first person to mention the Batmobile.
The interesting question is, I think, how many glasses of WIFOM are there in this gambit to put attention on Hal?
Glass 1: Hal's research about kerosene in the canon and theory that it came from the Batmobile was innocent, Hal is Town, and the message-sender is trying to smear him. Glass 2: Hal's Batmobile reference was laying the groundwork for a ruse (either perpetrated by him and him alone, or in coordination with a scum buddy) for which the 2nd component was the message sent to Total. A ruse that would hopefully (from Hal and/or the Scum's perspective) result in people being inclined to drink the wine in Glass 1. Glass 3: Hal's Batmobile reference was a recruitable Townie or 3rd party Hal trying to accept a recruitment offer phrased in a similar manner to what Total received, the recruitment offer is valid and Hal switched sides. Glass 4: Hal's Batmobile reference was a recruitable Townie or 3rd party Hal trying to accept a recruitment offer phrased in a similar manner to what Total received, the recruitment offer was a red herring and Hal didn't switch sides.
This is not an exhaustive list, but I think Glasses 1 and 2 are the most likely. I didn't include the possibility of a PFK out there who can win if x amount of players make a post containing Batmobile or something similar, because I don't think Storyteller would have such a role, but it did cross my mind.
Personally, I'm keeping both Glass 1 and Glass 2 in mind when looking at Hal.
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Post by Chronos on Mar 22, 2012 22:15:26 GMT -5
Which amounts to about the same thing as keeping neither of them in mind, because one of those glasses implies that he's Town (or at least, not on the same team as the liar who's sending the messages), while the other implies that he's Scum (or at least, on the same team as the liar). So all we can conclude from the glasses is something that we already knew anyway: He's either a liar, or he's not.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 22, 2012 23:40:57 GMT -5
Ok? I'm just thinking outloud with the new information at hand. How and what might be lied about, or not, are things I usually try to keep in mind.
I also think the Town may have caught a break due to the fact that Total is pretty much confirmed by Inner's death and that Archangel was Texcat's un-counter-claimed kill. Without that information I think the note that Total received may have been more disruptive than it is proving to be.
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Post by Silver Jan on Mar 23, 2012 1:42:14 GMT -5
Pizza being scum was something nice to wake up to, he had me fooled even though I have seen him play scum before.
When I first read the message about the Vehicle I immediately thought of Hal but as has been pointed out it could just be WIFOM. I didn't send the message either because I do not have that ability and I have already claimed, the "S" in the message said that they did not want to claim yet. The "S" could just mean Scum though, couldn't it?
It does look as if my power is just useless doesn't it? Oh well, it is what it is.
@ Total, as the most Towniest Townie, did you visit Astral at all?
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Post by Total Ullz on Mar 23, 2012 3:16:45 GMT -5
You can't trust me or anyone else anymore. I can't be sure if this is "Scum", "PFK" or another mason-kind-of-town-thing. But we have to stop the semi-confirmed right now!! I got this and (year - you can't trust me on it) declined: I'm confused here...you say you declined the offer...exactly how did you do that? The note says that "to join our recruitment drive, just mention the Batmobile in the game thread." Which you did in this very post. And in case it doesn't count in the context of quoting the original message, you mentioned it again in your very next post. So if the note you received was legitimate, it looks to me like you just accepted the recruitment offer. No. I send the a PM saying no thanks. If I was not allowed to mention the BM-owrd in game. That would be a post restriction which cannot exist (according to the Mod). I agree someone might be messing with the actually recruitment-power. However it does show that someone can send private messages. (posting as I catch up - not knowing if others have commented on this as well)
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Post by Total Ullz on Mar 23, 2012 3:17:00 GMT -5
You can't trust me or anyone else anymore. I can't be sure if this is "Scum", "PFK" or another mason-kind-of-town-thing. But we have to stop the semi-confirmed right now!! I got this and (year - you can't trust me on it) declined: I'm confused here...you say you declined the offer...exactly how did you do that? The note says that "to join our recruitment drive, just mention the Batmobile in the game thread." Which you did in this very post. And in case it doesn't count in the context of quoting the original message, you mentioned it again in your very next post. So if the note you received was legitimate, it looks to me like you just accepted the recruitment offer. No. I send the a PM saying no thanks. If I was not allowed to mention the BM-owrd in game. That would be a post restriction which cannot exist (according to the Mod). I agree someone might be messing with the actually recruitment-power. However it does show that someone can send private messages. (posting as I catch up - not knowing if others have commented on this as well)
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Post by Total Ullz on Mar 23, 2012 3:30:37 GMT -5
@ Total, as the most Towniest Townie, did you visit Astral at all? Nope
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Post by Total Ullz on Mar 23, 2012 3:31:38 GMT -5
Sorry for the double post - I got an error message saying it wasn't send and instead of checking I just went back and posted it again
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Post by Meeko on Mar 23, 2012 5:57:11 GMT -5
That would be a post restriction which cannot exist (according to the Mod). I agree someone might be messing with the actually recruitment-power. However it does show that someone can send private messages. Would this be a post restriction exactly? I mean, I can argue the vaugeness of ONE WORD either way here.
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Post by Meeko on Mar 23, 2012 6:02:10 GMT -5
Scum presumably don't need to message each other, because they presumably have their own board where they can talk. Even if they do need to message each other, those messages wouldn't be the ones that folks are reporting. WOW. Really? REALLY? Scum A composes a message with Scum B. Scum A sends the message to Mod. Mod sends the message to Scum B. Scum B posts the message in the game board as "Oh, I got this message from the Mod. It Mod Confirms X Y Z." Rinse. Lather. Repeat. And in case you don't get it this time, let me break it down further; Scum would use this, in order to force the Mod's hand, for lack of better words. I got a message from the Mod! [[Nevermind that I in effect wrote it myself, and looked it over with my scum-mates before we finalized it.]] is light years better thanI just got this message from my Scum mate Scummy McScumsalot.
Can we disprove this, against Gad and Peeks?
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Post by scáthach on Mar 23, 2012 6:32:17 GMT -5
Scum would use this, in order to force the Mod's hand, for lack of better words. I got a message from the Mod! [[Nevermind that I in effect wrote it myself, and looked it over with my scum-mates before we finalized it.]] is light years better thanI just got this message from my Scum mate Scummy McScumsalot.
Can we disprove this, against Gad and Peeks? Uh, why wouldn't they just lie exactly?
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Post by peekercpa on Mar 23, 2012 9:36:13 GMT -5
DK is Day kill in my universe. the only reason i ask is because would hal as scum really charge up someone that as scum he would know not to be part of his team with that power? seems kind of risky. now, of course, he didn't know at the time where the heck pleo would be firing but it seems like an unnecessary risk. so maybe he just figured the percentages would favor pleo firing blindly. however, hal would have (i assume) also be smart enough to know that pleo most likely won't fire willy nilly. therefore, the percentages for a poor outcome, if he is not town, greatly increase.
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Post by Hal Briston on Mar 23, 2012 10:01:47 GMT -5
Back from Doctor Dad duties...sorry again for the non-participation yesterDay. But hey, things have certainly picked up! Hell of a gambit being played here...a smudge which clearly makes me scum. Which clearly makes me not scum. Which clearly makes me scum!
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Mar 23, 2012 10:28:01 GMT -5
You wouldn't happen to be Sicilian, would you Hal?
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Post by Chronos on Mar 23, 2012 10:39:25 GMT -5
Oh, OK, Meeko, you're back on the "Maybe Gadarene and peeker are both Scum and are lying to us" point? Yes, that's possible. We all know it's possible, and have known right from the outset. But we also all know that it's unlikely. We really don't need to worry about that at all until and unless one of them dies and flips Scum. And really, we wouldn't even need to worry about it then, either, because then it'd be completely obvious the other one was Scum, too, and so there'd be no uncertainty about killing him. Like I said before, you've been a Mason yourself enough times that you ought to understand how this works.
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Post by SBrOwn on Mar 23, 2012 12:42:47 GMT -5
DK is Day kill in my universe. the only reason i ask is because would hal as scum really charge up someone that as scum he would know not to be part of his team with that power? seems kind of risky. now, of course, he didn't know at the time where the heck pleo would be firing but it seems like an unnecessary risk. so maybe he just figured the percentages would favor pleo firing blindly. however, hal would have (i assume) also be smart enough to know that pleo most likely won't fire willy nilly. therefore, the percentages for a poor outcome, if he is not town, greatly increase. If you look at the Vote Counts I took from Storyteller's Official vote things- a point in favor of Hal's, is that he was sort of the vote breaker between the Pleo vs. Texcat votes. Now I don't recall how the ACTUAL votes went down (ie: if someone unvoted or stuff like that), but Hal was the one who (out of self-preservation i think) voted for Pleonast making it 11 vs. Texcat. Now it doesn't fully clear Hal, but it makes me pause. A Self-preservation vote doesn't really mean much- but if Hal was scum AND Ed is scum- would he really be willing to sacrifice Batman his scum buddy for his own life? Or would he be more likely to try to want the Vig removed at the cost of his own life? It's a cup of WiFoM, but it's something that did pop up when I was coloring in the votes. As I don't know if Hal plays selfishly as scum, or if he was just a self-preserving townie, or if he simply didn't buy Pleo's claims (in which case, then why bother with the self-preservation). All i know is, he had a chance to take out the claimed Vig at the possible cost of his own life... but didn't. -The other interesting thing was- the one person Pizzaguy voted for on Day 1 was the one dude who ended up biting it- AstralReject. So I feel like the other death ( Talia) was more likely the not-scum kill. But who did her in? And where have they been the other nights?
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Post by Silver Jan on Mar 23, 2012 13:31:12 GMT -5
DK is Day kill in my universe. the only reason i ask is because would hal as scum really charge up someone that as scum he would know not to be part of his team with that power? seems kind of risky. now, of course, he didn't know at the time where the heck pleo would be firing but it seems like an unnecessary risk. so maybe he just figured the percentages would favor pleo firing blindly. however, hal would have (i assume) also be smart enough to know that pleo most likely won't fire willy nilly. therefore, the percentages for a poor outcome, if he is not town, greatly increase. If you look at the Vote Counts I took from Storyteller's Official vote things- a point in favor of Hal's, is that he was sort of the vote breaker between the Pleo vs. Texcat votes. Now I don't recall how the ACTUAL votes went down (ie: if someone unvoted or stuff like that), but Hal was the one who (out of self-preservation i think) voted for Pleonast making it 11 vs. Texcat. Now it doesn't fully clear Hal, but it makes me pause. A Self-preservation vote doesn't really mean much- but if Hal was scum AND Ed is scum- would he really be willing to sacrifice Batman his scum buddy for his own life? Or would he be more likely to try to want the Vig removed at the cost of his own life? It's a cup of WiFoM, but it's something that did pop up when I was coloring in the votes. As I don't know if Hal plays selfishly as scum, or if he was just a self-preserving townie, or if he simply didn't buy Pleo's claims (in which case, then why bother with the self-preservation). All i know is, he had a chance to take out the claimed Vig at the possible cost of his own life... but didn't. -The other interesting thing was- the one person Pizzaguy voted for on Day 1 was the one dude who ended up biting it- AstralReject. So I feel like the other death ( Talia) was more likely the not-scum kill. But who did her in? And where have they been the other nights? I thinks Astrals' death could have been 3rd Party or PFK, just because he voted for Pizzaguy, it wasn't really much of a threat to scum. I think guiris' death was a scum kill, guiri is a brilliant player and scum would want him gone. My voting record is up to maggots and I have unknowingly followed LightFoots' vote every time, it took SBrOwns' post to point that out to me
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Mar 23, 2012 13:48:39 GMT -5
ah yes, Pizza was scum. that is very gratifying. i see some people tried to do me in. Meeko's vote i actually don't mind as much. he really thinks differently. the others though are lazy ass votes, just riding on Meeko's strange parsing of my words. ~~snipped~~ whoa! the link leads to a post of sinjin commenting on my post. that is quite misleading. should we check if your other links are accurate? smudgy there? The purpose of taking the time to put all the links in there is for them to be read. I was looking at sinjin so I linked to her post. It was her content I was reviewing. Already stated that you had quoted sinjin in the origional and it certainly appeared that was who you were asking. Seems sinjin felt the same, so she quoted/ snipped/ and added in response. Your response to that one bit seems reactionary? reactionary? you act as if that's bad. you react a lot too. and i certainly wasn't smudging you. your link brings people to sinjin's reaction not my post. even scathach had to agree that was true. I don’t particularly care for the way many are just “ rolling out the dough “ ATPG has a bunch of votes with no competition for the lynch. Granted I was mostly absent for 2 clock days this Day so I take some blame for not giving as much to the game as would be preferred gnarlycharlie is pinging the hades out of me. Going back over his posts there isn’t much to chew on. He had a one off vote Day 1 Day 2 he voted and unvoted [/b] ATPG [/B] (not clear entirely what garnered the vote and unvoted because of the role claim) ToDay he’s not had much to say. Votes ATPG for no clear reason mentioned in that vote post. The most he said about the game was when his name came up Vote: gnarlycharlie [/color] [/quote] oh, but i did explain my votes. D2 voteD3 votesee, i can make links too and they actually go to the appropriate post. I have to agree that gnarly's post does look as if he is talking to fellow scum and his posts since then just look as if he is covering up a mistake. His reply to Meeko looks a bit OTT and it's pinging the hell out of me. Up until I read that reply I wasn't quite sure who to vote for but the really made me think hmm, gnarly is scum again. Vote gnarlycharliefunny how you and Lightfoot use the word pinging. just parroting her. what happened to not trusting her? -------------- while i know that there has been stuff to talk about like messages being sent, why have those who voted for me not made any comment on the repercussions of Pizza flipping scum on their attempt to lynch me? perhaps they know it puts them in a bad light?
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Post by SBrOwn on Mar 23, 2012 13:52:16 GMT -5
I thinks Astrals' death could have been 3rd Party or PFK, just because he voted for Pizzaguy, it wasn't really much of a threat to scum. Other way around. Pizzaguy voted for Astral on Day 1.
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Post by Silver Jan on Mar 23, 2012 13:53:05 GMT -5
This game is such fun but it's doing my head in lol. I have just read that Harley, Catwoman and Ivy become a team and that Ivy and the other sirens ambush The Riddler and after tying him up he actually helps them out. I think I should stay away from the wiki but it's so interesting
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Post by Silver Jan on Mar 23, 2012 13:55:02 GMT -5
I thinks Astrals' death could have been 3rd Party or PFK, just because he voted for Pizzaguy, it wasn't really much of a threat to scum. Other way around. Pizzaguy voted for Astral on Day 1. aha, my bad.
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Post by Silver Jan on Mar 23, 2012 14:15:49 GMT -5
@ gnarly, I have voted for someone different every day, up until this evening I hadn't even noticed that LightFoot and I had voted for the same person every day with me being the copycat, she must be making some good arguments ;D I need to listen to SBrOwn more often, she is good at this. With RL being so bad at the moment this is my escapism and I am sorry if I am not making my own arguments, I am devouring everything that is written and then come to the wrong conclusion as always. Idle, go for it, you know I'm not very good at this game ToNight I am going to investigate someone that has already claimed, for what good it will do me.
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Post by scáthach on Mar 23, 2012 14:37:01 GMT -5
With RL being so bad at the moment this is my escapism and I am sorry if I am not making my own arguments, I am devouring everything that is written and then come to the wrong conclusion as always. Idle, go for it, you know I'm not very good at this game Sorry to hear things are tough in RL - hope things turn a corner for you soon
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Post by Chronos on Mar 23, 2012 14:51:17 GMT -5
There aren't "other Nights". We've only seen the results of two Nights so far: Night 1 had three kills, and Night 2 had two. We're currently in Night 3, and don't know how many kills we're going to have. There are many plausible explanations for why there were only two kills on Night 2: A doctor might have successfully protected someone, a roleblocker might have successfully blocked someone, a killer might have been unwilling or unable to use their killing power, two killers might have targeted the same victim. If I absolutely had to guess, I'd say that it was the last one, with the extra killer being a PFK: One of our Night 2 victims was a semi-confirmed, and those are a threat to everyone not Town, so it's quite reasonable that two different not-Towns might have independently chosen the same victim. We'll be able to make somewhat more informed guesses toMorrow, once we see how many die toNight.
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Post by Silver Jan on Mar 23, 2012 15:13:48 GMT -5
With RL being so bad at the moment this is my escapism and I am sorry if I am not making my own arguments, I am devouring everything that is written and then come to the wrong conclusion as always. Idle, go for it, you know I'm not very good at this game Sorry to hear things are tough in RL - hope things turn a corner for you soon Thanks Scathach but I think the really bad things could just be starting, hubby is starting chemotherapy soon and I am a wreck but there is light at the end of the tunnel, he hasn't got liver cancer, just a good probability that he does have and this poison is going to get those awful cells. You would think that as a Medical Technologist I would be a bit more calm about it, maybe that's why I am flaky here 'cos at home I need to be strong
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Post by Sister Coyote on Mar 23, 2012 15:42:46 GMT -5
while i know that there has been stuff to talk about like messages being sent, why have those who voted for me not made any comment on the repercussions of Pizza flipping scum on their attempt to lynch me? perhaps they know it puts them in a bad light? Or, perhaps because although I was WRONG about Pizza, I'm not 100% convinced I'm also wrong about you. Or, because my vote on YOU had nothing to do with Pizza whatsoever -- by the time I had enough information to make a decision and vote his lynch was pretty much a foregone conclusion and I have long established that I won't vote along with the crowd when I think there's another/better candidate. I don't know if you were a better candidate. But you are certainly another one. <font style="font-size: 12px; ">So of the three dead scum that we've seen, two have had the name of a canonical Baddie and one was Batman. I am having a great deal of trouble understanding how Jan's claimed power can be a Town power right now. Am I confused? I thought there was only one dead Scum?
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Post by Sister Coyote on Mar 23, 2012 15:43:30 GMT -5
Thanks Scathach but I think the really bad things could just be starting, hubby is starting chemotherapy soon and I am a wreck but there is light at the end of the tunnel, he hasn't got liver cancer, just a good probability that he does have and this poison is going to get those awful cells. You would think that as a Medical Technologist I would be a bit more calm about it, maybe that's why I am flaky here 'cos at home I need to be strong Jan -- best of luck to the both of you, and please do remember to take care of yourself as well as your husband.
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Post by Silver Jan on Mar 23, 2012 15:51:30 GMT -5
Thanks Sis C, I will try and look after both of us.
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Post by Silver Jan on Mar 23, 2012 15:54:02 GMT -5
while i know that there has been stuff to talk about like messages being sent, why have those who voted for me not made any comment on the repercussions of Pizza flipping scum on their attempt to lynch me? perhaps they know it puts them in a bad light? Or, perhaps because although I was WRONG about Pizza, I'm not 100% convinced I'm also wrong about you. Or, because my vote on YOU had nothing to do with Pizza whatsoever -- by the time I had enough information to make a decision and vote his lynch was pretty much a foregone conclusion and I have long established that I won't vote along with the crowd when I think there's another/better candidate. I don't know if you were a better candidate. But you are certainly another one. <font style="font-size: 12px; ">So of the three dead scum that we've seen, two have had the name of a canonical Baddie and one was Batman. I am having a great deal of trouble understanding how Jan's claimed power can be a Town power right now. Am I confused? I thought there was only one dead Scum? Both Ed and Pizza were scum and wasn't M'Haye scum too?
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Post by Nanook on Mar 23, 2012 15:54:12 GMT -5
Am I confused? I thought there was only one dead Scum? You are very confused apparently. There are THREE dead scum, Ed, Mhaye and now Pizza.
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