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Post by SBrOwn on Mar 27, 2012 18:00:35 GMT -5
Though there's an easy way to test that. True.
Vote SBrown
Unvote SBrown[/b] Maybe storyteller will give us a "Device Update Plz?"[/color] Now I've done 2 voting actions today. Let's see if I'm at -49 still.
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Post by SBrOwn on Mar 27, 2012 18:01:46 GMT -5
NETA: Though... why am I in the negatives then? I'd think the voting actions would bring me up and then down....
And I don't think it's TOTAL Votes vs. Total Unvotes because there were WAY more than 3 more votes yesterday vs. the unvotes..... Hmmm...
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 27, 2012 19:01:13 GMT -5
Where is Total?
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Post by Meeko on Mar 27, 2012 20:33:55 GMT -5
Aisle 5, on the left, about a fourth of the way down. Oh, wait, I'm here at home, aren't I ? In that case, I'm thinking the UK or the Eurozone at large.....
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Post by Pollux Oil on Mar 27, 2012 20:34:26 GMT -5
Just did a quick run-through of post counts/participation for toDay: Haven't posted at all1. peekercpa 8. Total Ullz 13. Gadarene Posted less than five times3. Nanook 7. sinjin 10. gnarlycharly 18. BillMc 25. Mahaloth 28. Hal Briston 29. sister coyote The fact that Cookies is the largest contributor to toDay in terms of post count and also somewhat of a head lynch target concerns me. While I don't think we should automatically not target somebody just because they're the most talkative, I'd like to see more people weigh in on discussions overall. What happened to our 30-page Day One?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 27, 2012 20:40:00 GMT -5
Preach it
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Post by texcat on Mar 27, 2012 21:26:29 GMT -5
I am not sure I understand the case on Cookies. It really does seem to be a case of lynch the noisy. She speculated earlier Today about possible lynch candidates and the information that their deaths might provide. I think that sort of discussion is pro-town.
Is it just a coincidence that our 3 remaining mason-like people have gone missing?
I am suspicious of Idle's PM. It does seem like his powers are ill-defined, and I find it suspicious that he didn't immediately PM Storyteller with a boatload of questions about it. However, Pizza spilled a lot of wine around the case Yesterday.
I never have a clue what to make of Meeko. I don't like his no-lynch vote and his abdicating responsibility for the lynch. I need to re-read, but my memory of his posts are a lot of defensive posts and OMGUS votes.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Mar 28, 2012 0:45:14 GMT -5
can't say i'm surprised by this vote. still haven't been reading my posts? there aren't that many. i HAVE justified my votes. your lack of an investigation certainly isn't going to help you. i expected to be investigated since you thought i was most suspicious. Which may have something to do with no one being blocked ( or claiming to be) last Night. As for justifying your votes.. I addressed that in the night thread ( even used your links) there is nothing there that justifies/explains your POV on the people you voted. Just other player’s homework. And I might add you didn’t respond to that either. Btw. I posted when I was able to post. It had nothing to do with being “ called out” as you puts it. this is the LAST time i will address your argument that i haven't justified my votes. first i didn't see you address this last Night. you are difficult to parse at times and may have missed it. anyway, in D1 i voted for Suburban Plankton because what i felt was a slip. i voted for Pizza not only for saying but not doing. it was the same argument as others but in D2 when i voted him, i said that he advocated pressure voting to get reactions in past and yet he didn't want to go along with the pressure votes on you because you were Robin. in D3, i agreed with other players' sentiments but i added that he suspected Idle for claiming despite seeing Idle do that in another game. he was definitely contradicting himself. i hope that is clear. i would also like to add that agreeing with other people's cases is not a bad thing. if it makes sense then vote the same. if you really believe all players need to have original thought when voting, i will vote you on principle every time you don't in any other game and justify with the reason that you are contradicting yourself. no one called me out toDay before i posted and voted. Lightfoot did after she was called out. Your first, and before this, only post in Today's thread is this one. can't say i'm surprised by this vote. still haven't been reading my posts? there aren't that many. i HAVE justified my votes. your lack of an investigation certainly isn't going to help you. i expected to be investigated since you thought i was most suspicious. It came an hour and a half after Lightfoot voted for you. You addressed absolutely nothing other than Lightfoot's vote. You had no comment on the devices. You had no comment on any other outstanding case. You had no new cases of your own. And then you made a second post. The one I started this replay by quoting, which once again ignored every single thing that was happening other than the discussion centered on you. I think I find Cookies slightly more suspicious than you, but she has the slight advantage of actually playing the game. You're clearly out only to avoid drawing as much attention as possible, which is the action of a scum or PFK. Unvote: Cookies [/color] Vote: gnarlycharlie [/color][/quote] so what if that was my first and only post? you said i was called out. i was not. if you meant i wasn't commenting on the devices and what else, then say that. don't say that wasn't your argument after i was able to refute it. we haven't played before but i don't post much. it's a null tell. most people who i have played with before know i don't post often. it's partly because i live in a different time zone and have to catch up often and have enough time to address what i feel is most important. it's like Bill being fairly quiet or peeker being noisy. it doesn't mean alignment one way or the other. so Cookies is scummier but you'd rather vote me because she's playing the game? so you would rather vote for someone who you think isn't playing rather than who you feel is most likely scum? this despite that Cookies at the time of your change of vote was a viable lynch. do you know how stupid that sounds? that's like Meeko's remark about keeping Pizza alive because he was contributing. i'm keeping my eye on you now. you have now entered my radar. you're not confirmed in any way. you could be scum and have made mahaloth scum as well.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Mar 28, 2012 2:02:11 GMT -5
I am suspicious of Idle's PM. It does seem like his powers are ill-defined, and I find it suspicious that he didn't immediately PM Storyteller with a boatload of questions about it. However, Pizza spilled a lot of wine around the case Yesterday. As I've said about three times now, the PM was clear to me....I really don't understand what's confusing people. Hence maybe the reason I need to hang my mafia playing shoes up. When you're the only one who is seeing your side of things, apparently, it's that time. Just kill me off everyone. I'm even volunteering. It's going to happen soon anyway, it seems. I'm not scum, but get the inevidible out of the way.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Mar 28, 2012 2:04:04 GMT -5
Let's get rid of Idle, he's an easy target...and then we can all apologize later, when he's found to be town, just like we do every game.
That's what every game feels like to me these days.
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Post by Meeko on Mar 28, 2012 3:28:30 GMT -5
I don't like his no-lynch vote and his abdicating responsibility for the lynch. I will never get this. Ever. Why Do I [apparently] own MORE of a lynch that I was not a part of?
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Post by Meeko on Mar 28, 2012 3:31:08 GMT -5
NETA : Own more of a lynch, than everyone else that actually voted on it.
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Post by Meeko on Mar 28, 2012 4:46:08 GMT -5
Just did a quick run-through of post counts/participation for toDay: Haven't posted at all1. peekercpa 8. Total Ullz 13. Gadarene Posted less than five times3. Nanook 7. sinjin 10. gnarlycharly 18. BillMc 25. Mahaloth 28. Hal Briston 29. sister coyote The fact that Cookies is the largest contributor to toDay in terms of post count and also somewhat of a head lynch target concerns me. While I don't think we should automatically not target somebody just because they're the most talkative, I'd like to see more people weigh in on discussions overall. What happened to our 30-page Day One? I believe that you are speaking to the drought of information. Correct me if I am wrong. I think the information drought comes from the fact that we lost some power roles. We lost power roles because they claimed. They claimed because we had people pushing for claims. I'm not saying that everyone that pushed for claims are scum......... But I'm not saying that everyone pushing for claims are town. Would be interesting to plot "Can everyone claim kthxbye" across "I R Scum" . The game's not over, and I'm already learning things going forward. Notes are good things to have.
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Post by Meeko on Mar 28, 2012 4:48:22 GMT -5
NETA : In case I went off rails there, I'm of the assumption that scum are the most vocal in asking for claims. If we work one to it's logical conclusion, we will get the other. If we tart this process with "Can everyone claim kthxbye" and we will probably end up with scum.
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Post by Meeko on Mar 28, 2012 4:49:49 GMT -5
I just noticed my Karma went down from 6 to 5.
Didn't one game have a mechanic based in part on Karma?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Mar 28, 2012 8:32:08 GMT -5
I think the information drought comes from the fact that we lost some power roles. We lost power roles because they claimed. They claimed because we had people pushing for claims. I'm not saying that everyone that pushed for claims are scum......... But I'm not saying that everyone pushing for claims are town. Would be interesting to plot "Can everyone claim kthxbye" across "I R Scum" . Why don't you do that then, instead of just leaving it hanging there as a vague accusation? I say this as someone who has never argued for a mass claim.
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Post by Hal Briston on Mar 28, 2012 8:36:23 GMT -5
I just noticed my Karma went down from 6 to 5. Looks like it's a 4 now. Hmmm...
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Post by sinjin on Mar 28, 2012 9:39:43 GMT -5
Just did a quick run-through of post counts/participation for toDay: Haven't posted at all1. peekercpa 8. Total Ullz 13. Gadarene Posted less than five times3. Nanook 7. sinjin 10. gnarlycharly 18. BillMc 25. Mahaloth 28. Hal Briston 29. sister coyote The fact that Cookies is the largest contributor to toDay in terms of post count and also somewhat of a head lynch target concerns me. While I don't think we should automatically not target somebody just because they're the most talkative, I'd like to see more people weigh in on discussions overall. What happened to our 30-page Day One? My only horrible excuse for not posting this Day is that I finally got my PS3 back after 8 months. Sorry. I'll be reading up today
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Mar 28, 2012 9:52:56 GMT -5
I just noticed my Karma went down from 6 to 5. Looks like it's a 4 now. Hmmm... And now it's 3. Very Interesting
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Post by storyteller0910 on Mar 28, 2012 12:31:59 GMT -5
Reaaaaally quiet...
DAY FOUR OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT - WEDNESDAY PM
Lightfoot (2 votes) - gnarlycharly (29), Hal Briston (46) Cookies (2 votes) - scathach (94), Mahaloth (106) gnarlycharly (2 votes) - Lightfoot (80), Nanook (114) Hal Briston (1 vote) - Idle Thoughts (15) Idle Thoughts (1 vote) - Suburban Plankton (45) Pollux Oil (1 vote) - Meeko (86)
With the current vote count, Lightfoot would be lynched.
Hal Briston's device and Pollux Oil's device remain unchanged. The reading on SBrown's device is now "-46."
Day Four still ends on Thursday, 29 March, at 5:00 PM Eastern.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Mar 28, 2012 13:02:42 GMT -5
So between storyteller's last vote count and this vote count, SBrOwn's device went up by 3. What happened 3 times in those posts? SBrOwn posted 3 times, but she posted before storyteller did his first vote count and nothing changed. Maybe we're looking at the device wrong. Maybe only one thing happens, and then the device counts down in 3 increments instead of one by one like my own. Maybe a vote/unvote block triggers a +3 countdown? I believe that you are speaking to the drought of information. Correct me if I am wrong. I think the information drought comes from the fact that we lost some power roles. We lost power roles because they claimed. They claimed because we had people pushing for claims. I'm not saying that everyone that pushed for claims are scum......... That's correct. The less posts there are, the less information we have to analyze. All the votes toDay, aside from you voting for me, are coming from old information. This is a great environment for scum to lurk in. We're getting paranoid, we have people like gnarlycharlie being suspicious of semi-confirmed townies. Scum want us to lynch people like peeker, Nanook, mahaloth, Total, because it saves them the trouble of killing them at Night. Since you're talking about claims, I figured I'd revisit my list of things that have happened. ----- Texcat claims Ra's Al Ghul, town vigilante; takes credit for Mhaye, Archangel, Rysto Nightkills Total Ullz claims mason, Abramovici twin (? I don't remember if she stated this explicitly or we inferred) Lightfoot claims Robin, scum/not-scum detective; says scathach is Not-Scum Nanook claims Harley Quinn, one-shot town recruiter; recruited mahaloth Mahaloth claims Solomon Grundy, third-party scotsmanish; claims to be recruited to town Idle Thoughts claims Poison Ivy, 50% of killing anyone who attacks her. peeker claims one-shot messenger, sent 'peeker's a townie' to Gadarene; retracted statement about Gadarene definitely being town Pollux Oil claims Lady Shiva, vanilla: has device strapped to him that counts down with votes. SBrOwn has a device strapped to her that counts down with ?? Hal Briston has a device strapped to him that counts down with ?? Meeko claims to have been blocked Night One Lightfoot claims to have been blocked Night One Gadarene claims to have been blocked Night Two Sinjin claims to have not done anything Night Two in response to pizzaguy saying he blocked her Hal, peeker, and texcat all claim to have smelled kerosene at Night texcat received a message Dusk Two, Total Ulla Dusk Three. Did I miss anything? If I haven't missed anything, of everyone left in the game, only: gnarlycharlie Suburban Plankton Cookies BillMc Dirx/Sister Coyote have not claimed something or had something happen to them over the course of the game so far. I don't know if that's pertinent information or not.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Mar 28, 2012 13:40:09 GMT -5
I can't speak for who I was before Night Two, but you know my feeling on claims without threat.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Mar 28, 2012 13:43:30 GMT -5
I don't like his no-lynch vote and his abdicating responsibility for the lynch. I will never get this. Ever. Why Do I [apparently] own MORE of a lynch that I was not a part of? I think the reasoning is that by voting no-lynch, you effectively washed your hands of the process, and gave no information to Town about who else you thought was Scummy, if you didn't think the main lynch candidate was Scum. In some ways, I think voting "no-lynch" could be seen as worse for Town than simply not voting at all, because not voting could mean the person isn't around to vote while someone voting "no-lynch" is clearly cognizant of what's going on in the game, doesn't want to point a finger at any of the current candidates, and is withholding information (who they find Scummy) from the rest of Town.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Mar 28, 2012 14:22:01 GMT -5
So between storyteller's last vote count and this vote count, SBrOwn's device went up by 3. What happened 3 times in those posts? SBrOwn posted 3 times, but she posted before storyteller did his first vote count and nothing changed. Maybe we're looking at the device wrong. Maybe only one thing happens, and then the device counts down in 3 increments instead of one by one like my own. Maybe a vote/unvote block triggers a +3 countdown? It is 'interesting' that the two times the device has changed, the number has changed by 3. Let's see what, if anything, happens if I do this: unvote Idle Thoughts vote Idle Thoughts
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Post by Pollux Oil on Mar 28, 2012 15:00:16 GMT -5
It is 'interesting' that the two times the device has changed, the number has changed by 3. Let's see what, if anything, happens if I do this: unvote Idle Thoughts vote Idle ThoughtsI think you may be on to something. I just went back and there were only 3 total unvotes during Day 3 as well. If that causes SBrOwn to go up by +1, that means that her device is triggered when anyone unvotes, not just when she does.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Mar 28, 2012 16:09:56 GMT -5
Well, I'm glad to see that there's so much interest in things.
Seriously, we're under the 24 hour mark for the Day and we're going to lynch someone with 2 votes?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 28, 2012 16:15:26 GMT -5
I don't think LightFoot is the best choice to hang, but I'm not convinced of her innocence enough not to put down a self-preserving vote her way.
If Idle wants out so bad and isn't going to be putting forth much effort other than re-iterating that he doesn't want to play anymore, I'm willing to give him his wish Vote Idle.
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Post by SBrOwn on Mar 28, 2012 16:16:15 GMT -5
I think you may be on to something. I just went back and there were only 3 total unvotes during Day 3 as well. If that causes SBrOwn to go up by +1, that means that her device is triggered when anyone unvotes, not just when she does. I think you may be on to something there- it's a pattern I hadn't considered. It would explain my higher count... and the fact that I could be detonated not out of my own free will is not a great feeling.... Could that have something to do with the two devices on me? Depending on who does the last unvote determines which chemical I get? But that's getting ahead of myself. First we need to see if my counter goes up by +1 due to Plankton's actions. I won't do any votes/unvotes this time lest I interfer or trigger it to go up +3.... And I wonder, if this is related to how all the devices work? Pollux- yours goes down one with voting. If mine goes UP +1 with unvoting, it'd fit a pattern at least. And then I wonder... does that mean Hal's will also have a similar pattern- that maybe His device will go up +1 with HIS unvoting? (like how you both have smaller numbers, and haven't really changed throughout the day- despite voting and all). Hal- any thought about that idea? I think maybe the pattern : Voting = -1 to the devices if specified Unvoting = +1 to the devices if specified Good thing I didn't have this device on me on Day 1 or 2- with all those unvotes, who knows where I'd end up.... And I wonder if the bomb's creator knew that and might have been pushing it down? Who were the other unvotes done by each of the 2 Days? I know I did one each time. Hmmm.. Well first things first- it's a good lead as any though. Storyteller, what's the Vote Count/Device Count right now?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 28, 2012 16:22:51 GMT -5
And seriously about the people who have not or barely posted today, where the heck are you?
Some of them I wonder if they've been muted, but I really don't think Storyteller would do that, not without saying "Total, Peeker, and Gadrene will not be posting today because they're chained and gagged in the corner until Night" or something.
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Post by SBrOwn on Mar 28, 2012 16:27:38 GMT -5
I agree with you cookies on the Lightfoot thoughts. I don't think she's a good lynch right now, and I'm more frustrated with her play, but if she's scum- I'd think she'd be playing a lot better than what she's been doing. I think LF at some point will need to be dealt with, but perhaps when there's a better trade off than just a 1:1 trade of lightfoot for a possible confirmation of Scatch. I'd rather see a 1:2 or 1:3 trade if a we possibly lose our investigator but gain 2-3 "Non-Scums" for the death it would be best. Of course, if LF just finds scum as well, that would go a long way towards her helping to confirm herself as less likely to be scum as well. That said Cookies.... I don't like this: If Idle wants out so bad and isn't going to be putting forth much effort other than re-iterating that he doesn't want to play anymore, I'm willing to give him his wish Vote IdleYou're voting for a player not based on scumminess, but more on Meta-Gamey reasons. Which I think comes from frustration maybe (as that's what I felt when I read Idle's crap defense). But it doesn't really go either way towards proving scumminess or towniness I think. It seems like a weak justification vote, cookies, and a slightly opportunistic one. You've also not just done this for the first time with that- you've been rather non-chalant about letting Pollux die off.... And I feel like I want to place a vote sooner than later- and right now, I'm more suspicious of your behavior, than Idles, or Lightfoot. Also, you really made me suspicious when you called myself and Pollux out as being one of the more Townie players toDay. It made me almost want to trust you more toDay, but I don't know how you could have been so sure of that feeling- and I wonder if maybe you were doing it to gain my trust a little bit- and so I got more paranoid by it if that makes sense. Sort of a reverse smudge if you will. I mean I know I'm a Townie, but why should YOU feel so confident of it, ya know? And you did the same thing with Pollux Oil, before he even role claimed as well. Charlie's whole deal I'm just not sure what to make of it because of the way it's been sort of an OMGUS situation with LF vs. Charlie. So I'm going to: Vote Cookies
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