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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 30, 2012 20:08:00 GMT -5
NETA I think you'd agree if you were out here as uninformed as to what is amiss as the rest of us who aren't scum.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 30, 2012 20:42:41 GMT -5
I almost forgot. For anyone who does smell kerosene from here on out, obviously I can't make you keep the smelling of the smell to yourself, but I hope that the reasons why it would be a good idea to keep it quiet are also obvious. For anyone who does come forward, I will acknowledge whether or not their claim of being targeted by me for protection is true. But I won't expose my protective target(s) if they do not expose themselves first.
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Post by SBrOwn on Mar 30, 2012 21:46:59 GMT -5
Lightfoot, apparently our definitions of friendly reminders and/or tongue-in-cheek varies. I shall have to better keep in mind your sensitivity towards larger font sizes in the future. Thank heavens I had a modicum of restrain, lest I fear what the outcome may have been had I added the marquee feature! [scarcasm]Why, you might be the one needing my gasmask the, lest you be struck by the vapors![/sarcasm]
[sarcasm] and I think a 12 year old playing mafia would be able to better play as a detective [/sarcasm] The bunnies thought the alternate line was too mean for you. But that's why we have the sarcasm tags, right?Anyways, thanks for the reminder! And you're welcome for yours!
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Mar 31, 2012 5:12:21 GMT -5
so, Sis was town.
i'm actually open to the the idea that texcat may also be a town vig. it could be storyteller's way for us not to break the cam by all claiming. throw in enough uncertainty and we stop relying on investigations and claims. consider:
1. having a name investigator yet having Penguin (bad guy) and Catwoman (sometimes good, sometimes bad) flip scum
2. having Firefly's (Cookies) claim could be truthful but worded in a way that could be easily be altered from a mad-bomber type (kerosene as a tag)
3. asking Opal
so two town vigs would almost certainly have them counterclaiming each other (why Sis waited so long we won't really know until after the game). if that happened earlier we would have lynched one and with a town flip, lynch the other the next Day.
heck, there might not be a PFK. we certainly have been lynching 3rd parties for fear they may be PFK.
if these are all so, i will consider storyteller not gastard nor bastard. he would be dastard. he would also be certainly be very devious. of course, we already knew that.
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Post by SBrOwn on Mar 31, 2012 13:18:32 GMT -5
We've heard from Sinjin about her note. But I think we should consider hearing from Ullz about her note- do the notes say the same thing? Are they from the same person? Is maybe one of the notes our Messenger, but the other one from another scummy/PFK/3rd/Townie player?
Just mentioning it before Dawn, ya know. I personally like hearing information, even if I keep it through a bs filter.
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Post by LightFoot on Mar 31, 2012 13:27:48 GMT -5
Lightfoot, apparently our definitions of friendly reminders and/or tongue-in-cheek varies. I shall have to better keep in mind your sensitivity towards larger font sizes in the future. Thank heavens I had a modicum of restrain, lest I fear what the outcome may have been had I added the marquee feature! [scarcasm]Why, you might be the one needing my gasmask the, lest you be struck by the vapors![/sarcasm]
[sarcasm] and I think a 12 year old playing mafia would be able to better play as a detective [/sarcasm] The bunnies thought the alternate line was too mean for you. But that's why we have the sarcasm tags, right?Anyways, thanks for the reminder! And you're welcome for yours! again a bit of uncalled for comments. I missed one nights investigation because IRL my planet blew up [ bitchy comment redacted] can we just play the game. If we are indeed on the same side it will be helpfull
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 31, 2012 13:44:47 GMT -5
All of that sounds particularly balanced against the Town though, a least a Town that relies heavily on precedent in their analysis. Regardless of any lucky breaks we may have gotten with the scum getting killed outside of lynches, since a game designer can only do so much to manage for one alignment getting a string of lucky breaks, I'd probably expect some Scum handicaps to go along with this proposal that some of the Town's powers are self-subverting, whether it be lower numbers, needing to successfully recruit to build numbers, something.
If Story has an agenda as a designer to try and shake our gaming community free of some of the more stale and crusty ways of approaching the game and particularly the precedent prism through which it tends to be viewed, I'd say he's been successful from what I've seen.
I'm just not sure if it is enough to convince me that Texcat should survive to the endgame. That being said, I think that decision can be deferred for a few Days and we should not let the topic distract us from finding scum.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 31, 2012 13:46:13 GMT -5
NETA my response was to #33.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 31, 2012 13:47:39 GMT -5
I'd also like to hear the note, Total.
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Post by Total Ullz on Mar 31, 2012 14:37:07 GMT -5
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 31, 2012 14:51:47 GMT -5
Ok not-town-whoever-you-are-note-writing-person, I'll bite. Oversight is not an accusation that I shall endure, even from such a literate foe as yourself(s), considering that imho Dirx/SisterC should have counter-claimed Texcat long before it happened. In all seriousness though, I actually find it quite neat that we have a happened upon a confirmed Town conduit for communication directly from something with at least some anti-town interests. Of course all it does is pour liberal amounts of wine for everyone, but it is still not something I've ever experienced in other games. I'm partial to a good Syrah or Shiraz myself, please.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Mar 31, 2012 15:20:29 GMT -5
Color me paranoid, but I'm not absolutely convinced that Total is 'confirmed'. I'm not saying there isn't evidence that she's Town, but I would feel better if Inner Stickler had been a bit more unequivocal about their relationship.
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Post by SBrOwn on Mar 31, 2012 15:33:26 GMT -5
So the implication of the note is that texcat wanted the Name cop removed [implying that she is lying about her role], and has the ability as a PFK to communicate with scum, and scum know that she is not who she says she is. And that she killed off an unknown investigator in order to have the name cop gone? :\
You'll have to forgive my lack of suspended belief here. The more curious thing is this one and also the fact that sinjin recieved a note as well.
And I agree with SP- I don't consider Total to be 100% Town just yet, it's highly likely, but not guaranteed because I still believe maybe she could have been recruitable, or she's a scummy mason- (Remembering Arkham's dubious Masons who could PFK; or the SK Team, where one was an SK and the other was the PFK Riddler who could sell out the SK).
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Mar 31, 2012 15:35:31 GMT -5
OK, thinking a bit more on the subject, I suppose if Inner hadn't been pretty confident that Total was Town, he probably would have said something... ...so maybe I am just being paranoid...trust no one but the dead and even then don't trust them too far, right?
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Post by SBrOwn on Mar 31, 2012 15:37:08 GMT -5
I am of the mind we have 2 letter writers here, because of the style of the letters- one is asking for a reply back (just like the previous "Batmobile" letter) but the other one seems to be more of just a letter that is providing information.
And Peeks's already noted he's been a messenger of some sorts towards Gadarene as well. Color me paranoid as well Plankton
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Post by Pollux Oil on Mar 31, 2012 15:46:47 GMT -5
OK, thinking a bit more on the subject, I suppose if Inner hadn't been pretty confident that Total was Town, he probably would have said something... ...so maybe I am just being paranoid...trust no one but the dead and even then don't trust them too far, right? The first Super Smash Bros game on this board had a group of three masons, except one was a scum mason. Only the masons knew there was a scum mason...and if one of the legit masons hadn't come out with the information on Day One, the scum were going to use their double kill ability to kill off both town masons before they had a chance to talk and essentially give the third (scum) mason a free ride to the end. That was SUPER unbalanced in favor of scum. As such, having a two-person mason team and not letting the town mason know the other person is susceptible to recruitment/might actually be scum would be pretty bastardly. And I think Inner is competent enough of a player to have revealed that kind of information to us, especially since he and Total basically outed themselves on Night One anyway. Kerosene and random countdown devices are within the realm of storyteller's brand of game. A two-person mason team where one person isn't actually a mason, thereby making the idea of having masons completely pointless in the first place, is too far a step into Gastardity for storyteller I'd say. I'm raising a healthy eyebrow of suspicion at anybody that tries to reinforce doubt over what alignment Total has. I think a small dose of paranoia is healthy in playing mafia, but we're getting dangerously close to lethal levels of paranoia here. --- A side note: We know that the Joker claimed to have an ability to send messages to Batman should he so choose. Is it possible that the Joker is harassing us from the grave just to mess with us? (This is not a serious consideration. I think somebody in-game is doing it, although it would be hilarious if this actually was Pleonast just screwing with us after the fact.)
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Post by Total Ullz on Mar 31, 2012 15:53:54 GMT -5
Personally I think paranoid in mafia is the best way to go. Even more so in a Story game. That is why I am having troubles believing the double vig-roles. I am not sure what to make of Texcat yet. I prefer a nice Merlot - but that should not stop us from toasting, Cookie. I still say the note-writer is just trying to stir things up. Or maybe shake them - like a nice martini (sorry for the fluff - but I figured it was allowed at Night)
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 31, 2012 16:23:09 GMT -5
Color me paranoid, but I'm not absolutely convinced that Total is 'confirmed'. I'm not saying there isn't evidence that she's Town, but I would feel better if Inner Stickler had been a bit more unequivocal about their relationship. He self-defined as a 'claimed co-mason of Total'. What more are you looking for?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 31, 2012 16:27:14 GMT -5
So the implication of the note is that texcat wanted the Name cop removed [implying that she is lying about her role], and has the ability as a PFK to communicate with scum, and scum know that she is not who she says she is. And that she killed off an unknown investigator in order to have the name cop gone? :\ You'll have to forgive my lack of suspended belief here. The more curious thing is this one and also the fact that sinjin recieved a note as well. And I agree with SP- I don't consider Total to be 100% Town just yet, it's highly likely, but not guaranteed because I still believe maybe she could have been recruitable, or she's a scummy mason- (Remembering Arkham's dubious Masons who could PFK; or the SK Team, where one was an SK and the other was the PFK Riddler who could sell out the SK). Seriously? She is confirmed. I'm all for clinging to possibilities, but come on. A recruitable mason is bullshit. Inner Stickler's 'power' was alignment based, not investigative. She is confirmed. Do I need to say it again? Ok. She is confirmed. Ignore whatever she relays from the note-writer, fine, but if you don't count her as the very last player who should die for any reason on any way you like to arrange your mental list, then you're nuts.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Mar 31, 2012 16:40:30 GMT -5
That translates to 6 of 'Us' and 6 of 'not Us', which is not a bad ratio. On top of that, we have one 'pretty well confirmed' Townie ( Total), two 'mutually confirming' Townies ( peeker and Gadarene), and two other 'can pretty much confirm each other' Townies ( Nanook and mahaloth). Put all of that together, and I don't think we're in terribly dire straits at the moment. Color me paranoid, but I'm not absolutely convinced that Total is 'confirmed'. I'm not saying there isn't evidence that she's Town, but I would feel better if Inner Stickler had been a bit more unequivocal about their relationship.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 31, 2012 16:43:17 GMT -5
I am of the mind we have 2 letter writers here, because of the style of the letters- one is asking for a reply back (just like the previous "Batmobile" letter) but the other one seems to be more of just a letter that is providing information. And Peeks's already noted he's been a messenger of some sorts towards Gadarene as well. Color me paranoid as well PlanktonPlease clarify. Are you proposing that there are two separate roles? Or perhaps this batsuit moving around from player to player? Or that the scum might be collectively ghostwriting the notes? Two different roles seems the least likely, and I just want to understand what you mean.
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Post by SBrOwn on Mar 31, 2012 16:50:00 GMT -5
Please clarify. Are you proposing that there are two separate roles? Or perhaps this batsuit moving around from player to player? Or that the scum might be collectively ghostwriting the notes? Two different roles seems the least likely, and I just want to understand what you mean. I feel like there's 2 different notewriters that's about it. The notes are different in style and in regarding communications as well. Now if it's 2 roles, or different abilities of various players- that seems the easiest to understand for me. But i admit- i hadn't thought about the idea of a mechanism/"Batsuit" that would allow different people to send messages- that's certainly a plausible idea to entertain. What i was saying is that 2 letters seem to have a "Plz respond" component. While the other letters don't have that response component. That's about all i have. Do you think all the notes (including 2 toNight) are all from 1 person/role? Because if they can send multiple notes now- are they gaining in power, or have they always been able to do that but never chose to? It's the fact that there are 2 notes tonight that puzzles me.
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Post by SBrOwn on Mar 31, 2012 16:54:15 GMT -5
Seriously? She is confirmed. I'm all for clinging to possibilities, but come on. A recruitable mason is bullshit. Inner Stickler's 'power' was alignment based, not investigative. She is confirmed. Do I need to say it again? Ok. She is confirmed. Ignore whatever she relays from the note-writer, fine, but if you don't count her as the very last player who should die for any reason on any way you like to arrange your mental list, then you're nuts. I think we're argueing semantics here. I'm saying she's not 100% Confirmed. My thoughts are she is the mostly likely one of the rest of you to be town, but that's not 100%, if you want to say 95% or 99% that's fine. But the only way I'd trust ANYONE in ANY mafia game should be upon the end of the game when I'm reading over the spoiler boards. :shrug: Even if Storyteller comes in and posts 100% that she's Town, I'm going to be paranoid- Why would Story say that at this time? Could that have been a player's power? Etc... I'm still going to have a 0.00001% doubt in my mind. It's better to be paranoid than sorry. Don't worry, I'm not advocating a Total lynch or anything like that anytime soon. I'm just saying, nothing in life is guaranteed.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 31, 2012 16:58:00 GMT -5
But if the notes can say anything, which seems quite likely to be the case, whatever the angle the author(s) had in writing them is accounting for these differences.
For example, when they were posing as recruitment notes, their angle may have been wanting people to worry about certain players being recruited, while spinning the kerosene as a scum mechanic as well. I don't think they can get away with nearly as much manipulation with the notes now as when they were first being written. They know this and are now opting not to be coy and are just talking to us directly with whatever angle they're trying to advance, not pretending to be recruitment invitations anymore.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 31, 2012 17:05:57 GMT -5
Seriously? She is confirmed. I'm all for clinging to possibilities, but come on. A recruitable mason is bullshit. Inner Stickler's 'power' was alignment based, not investigative. She is confirmed. Do I need to say it again? Ok. She is confirmed. Ignore whatever she relays from the note-writer, fine, but if you don't count her as the very last player who should die for any reason on any way you like to arrange your mental list, then you're nuts. I think we're argueing semantics here. I'm saying she's not 100% Confirmed. My thoughts are she is the mostly likely one of the rest of you to be town, but that's not 100%, if you want to say 95% or 99% that's fine. But the only way I'd trust ANYONE in ANY mafia game should be upon the end of the game when I'm reading over the spoiler boards. :shrug: Even if Storyteller comes in and posts 100% that she's Town, I'm going to be paranoid- Why would Story say that at this time? Could that have been a player's power? Etc... I'm still going to have a 0.00001% doubt in my mind. It's better to be paranoid than sorry. Don't worry, I'm not advocating a Total lynch or anything like that anytime soon. I'm just saying, nothing in life is guaranteed. It still concerns me, because it sounds like you're leaving open the possibility of discounting something that Total might say or do because it might have an anti-town angle. Which I think is a very anti-town perspective, because of course that Total is the Towniest Townie we have, and anything that advances doubts as to her motives is undermining to Town, by definition. Now, she could be flat wrong about something, and we all need to be on our guard for trying to minimize Townies being wrong, and mitigate any damage that could be caused by that wrongness, but in all seriousness, Total's perspectives should only be doubted on apparent inaccuracy, and not on motivation.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 31, 2012 17:08:32 GMT -5
And I don't mean to sound accusatory, just cautionary.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 31, 2012 17:17:46 GMT -5
But if the notes can say anything, which seems quite likely to be the case, whatever the angle the author(s) had in writing them is could be accounting for these differences. For example, when they were posing as recruitment notes, their angle may have been wanting people to worry about certain players being recruited, while spinning the kerosene as a scum mechanic as well. I don't think they can get away with nearly as much manipulation with the notes now as when they were first being written. They know this and are now opting not to be coy and are just talking to us directly with whatever angle they're trying to advance, not pretending to be recruitment invitations anymore. An edit for clarity, since SBrown hasn't picked up on some things that weren't stated explicitly enough in the past.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 31, 2012 17:18:54 GMT -5
Kinda hard to see strike-through font in a quote, but there's a struck-through 'is' in that revision.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Mar 31, 2012 18:56:29 GMT -5
I'm here. The board just ate my Dawn post, so I'm cranky, but I'm here. Abbreviated dawn to follow.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Mar 31, 2012 19:11:16 GMT -5
I'm scum, by the way.
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