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Post by texcat on Apr 18, 2012 22:20:49 GMT -5
Vote: BillMc I am not PFK, no matter how many times that you and the scum messenger repeat it. Shouldn't we be concentrating on killing scum?
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Post by BillMc on Apr 19, 2012 1:53:24 GMT -5
Vote: BillMc I am not PFK, no matter how many times that you and the scum messenger repeat it. Shouldn't we be concentrating on killing scum? Exactly the vote I expected from you - you are the PFK. The odds of you not being the PFK are about hundred billion to 1. If the PFK does not die toDay, the Town will lose this game, it's simple math. The scum most likely killed Lightfoot on N4 So if you did not kill Cookies -- WHO DID?
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Post by BillMc on Apr 19, 2012 1:58:18 GMT -5
Shouldn't we be concentrating on killing scum? N1 -MHaye, THE PENGUIN (Special)N2 -Archangel, CALENDAR MAN, who was Town (Vanilla) N3 -Rysto, HUGO STRANGE, who was Town (investigative), N4 -Lightfoot, ROBIN, who was Town (Investigative) or CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, FIREFLY, who was Town (Protective) N5 -Gnarlycharly, CARMINE FALCONE, who was Town (Special) N6 -Suburban Plankton, MR. FREEZE, who was Town (Protective/Special)Yes - you have concentrated on killing scum haven't you. If you were a discretionary vig, then you not killing 5 town would have the town in a much stronger position.
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Post by BillMc on Apr 19, 2012 6:06:22 GMT -5
There are any number of reasons to vote for me, but this is not one of them. I agree with that point - the reasons are: N2 -Archangel, CALENDAR MAN, who was Town (Vanilla) N3 -Rysto, HUGO STRANGE, who was Town (investigative), N4 -Lightfoot, ROBIN, who was Town (Investigative) or CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, FIREFLY, who was Town (Protective) N5 -Gnarlycharly, CARMINE FALCONE, who was Town (Special) N6 -Suburban Plankton, MR. FREEZE, who was Town (Protective/Special)Even if you don't believe that she is PFK, can we really afford to go into N7 with a compulsory town vig with that shooting record? Now let's look back at Texcat's "I'm not PFK, I'm not an SK, I don't need to kill" Oscar winning performance. It seems town has a choice between two killing roles Today. I suggest that rather than give the non-town aligned serial killer a chance that you give me, the town aligned vig, a chance. I will certainly listen to town suggestions for kills tonight, and perhaps there is someone out there who can verify my claim overnight. But Pleo wasn't a serial killer - give the vig a chance - sounds like a charity record - and not only that you call out for an investigator to verify your claim - come forward investigators and be killed and you've subsequently killed 2 or 3 investigators, and were after lightfoot on D2. I will say now that I think likely vig targets are lurkers, lynch runners-up, and scum that I think I have a convincing case on (like MHaye). Also, I can choose not to kill any night. So if everyone is active and we lynch a scum, I could easily choose to stay home and watch TV. So let's see on the days we did lynch scum - oh yeah, you killed town. I am against the role claim. I would, however, like to hear from Lightfoot. And any other investigators might think about claiming, depending on how useful their information is. We have yet to see any protective, doctor type roles. But I would prefer not to see them, just let them do their good deeds in the dark. Still after Lightfoot, you prefer not to see them - but you have killed one possibly two. And I am declaring Arkham a NO SMOKING zone. Too much kerosene. Anyone lights a match and I might go up in smoke. Subject: Also... (Night Two) This one seems a surprising coincidence - no one had previously mentioned the kerosene being flammable - but you make a big point of stating it, that you may go up in flames, and then Total happens to get a message that states the same thing? The scum just happened to know the previous night that you were going to say that so put it in their note to Total? Or did you get your timing wrong. I put no stock in these notes whatsoever. They are a tool used by scum to try to get town to kill each other, making the scum's job easier. The first note which I received tried to implicate Total in Astral's death on night 1. The wanted me to vig Total. If I had fallen for it, I'm sure they would have tried to get town to lynch me the next day, and probably not had much of a problem doing it. The second note which Total received, allegedly trying to recruit her, but the note tried to imply that Hal had already been recruited since he was the first to talk about the batmobile. Of course you put no stock in the notes - it is quite possible you have been sending them. What have the majority of the notes said? Kill texcat. So of course, declare them as coming from the scum, ignore them, don't kill texcat. A very nice self preservation play. I am town. I understand that's difficult to swallow. When SisC claimed, I did not believe her claim for a NY second. Why had Dirx not counter-claimed me? Why had SisC not counter-claimed me? And why had neither killed me. I certainly would have killed her had our positions been reversed, because I didn't think there would be another town vig. So you argue why did SisC not kill you? But when Sinjin claimed, you didn't kill despite voting for her. Of course you didn't, coz you knew that if you did kill her and she flipped town, your neck would be next in the noose. I don't understand why town has 2 vig roles, but I'm sure I don't like it. I think scum must have some compensating power and I am afraid that it must be recruitment. I am worried that they may have unlimited recruitments of 3rd parties. There might be an awful lot of scum left to kill at this point in the game. Because there isn't. Every town power who has flipped has had some restriction or quirk to their role. But you -- plain old jane vig - no restrictions, no limitations - sorry your claim doesn't fit with everyone elses. Your claim is bullsh*t. I have not yet decided what to do tonight. I'd like to kill another scum, but my luck (aka impeccable logic) has not been so good since MHaye on night one. I might not kill anyone tonight, hoping that will at least show town that I am not a serial killer. It seems that the only possibilities for me are PFK and town. I hope that town gives me a chance to prove that I am town. I have killed 1 scum already. If you think that I am PFK, and I am not, but you should force scum to kill me. After all, the scum have to kill all the PFK to win just like they have to kill the townies to win. Don't let scum trick you into doing their job for them. But you did kill Cookies - there is no other explanation for it. "Oh town please don't kill me, let the scum do it" Both Town and Scum need the PFK dead. You constantly harp on that it is the scum's job to kill the PFK - why would the scum kill the PFK when the PFK is doing such a marvelous job of killing Town? Yes, it's a 100% townie decision. But an individual townie (and I certainly include myself in this) is an idiot. What percentage of Days do you suppose the typically townie goes into dusk with their vote on scum? I would suspect that a townie is having a stupendous game if they hit 50%. If a Vig is batting .500? Then they've neither helped nor hurt the town -- every killed townie costs half a mislynch while every killed scum gains a mislynch(of course, if they hit the last scum the game is over). As far as I can see, even if a Vig has an awesome record they just shorten the game without buying anything for Town, and a shorter game means less data, which is a big advantage for the scum. The point of leashing the Vig is not to improve their accuracy. The point is to ensure that the Town is trading deaths for every last drop of information that they can squeeze out of it. Maximizing information is the path to victory for Town.. And you were absolutely against Rysto's leash the vig proposal - and oh yeah, you killed him. Handy eh. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that you are PFK. If the rest of Town doesn't see that, then I take my hat off to you, you deserve the PFK win.
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Post by Mahaloth on Apr 19, 2012 8:55:17 GMT -5
Vote Texcat
The PFK.
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Post by BillMc on Apr 19, 2012 8:58:02 GMT -5
Vote: BillMc I am not PFK, no matter how many times that you and the scum messenger repeat it. Shouldn't we be concentrating on killing scum? And while we're looking at your OMGUS vote 6. BillMc (claimed Hush, vanilla) Gad, Idle, Idle, Pizza, archangel, Pleo7. texcat (claimed Ra's Al Ghul, vigilante) Meeko, Idle, SisC, Rysto, Drain, PleoI think my voting record speaks for itself. I strongly supported killing Pleo on D1, and thus lost Ed. Your votes on the other hand, Pleo was self preservation, Idle was mod confirmed scum. Your votes are as bad as your kills. If I were scum, I've still been more pro-town and contributed to the death of more scum than you have. "Shouldn't we be concentrating on killing scum?" Why should you change your game plan now?
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Post by scáthach on Apr 19, 2012 10:30:42 GMT -5
Is day over soon? I'll
Unvote: gadarene [\unvote]
Vote: Texcat, [\vote]
I still think gadarene is scum, but I equally think Texcat is not town and with town and nontown so close numberwise it might be best to avoid spreading our votes around so it's more difficult to swing.
(sorry for typos, posting from tablet)
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Post by scáthach on Apr 19, 2012 10:33:56 GMT -5
Fail.
Unvote: Gadarene Vote: Texcat
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Post by texcat on Apr 19, 2012 11:58:40 GMT -5
Even if you think that I am PFK, I don't think killing me is a good idea. You would be doing scum's job for them.
Assuming that Astral's numbers were correct, that peeker is town, and that I am PFK:
Beginning today scum had 6 enemies, 5 townies + PFK. If there are 3 scum, it's game over: 3 townies v 3 scum. Is this really what you want to do?
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Post by SBrOwn on Apr 19, 2012 13:30:10 GMT -5
unvote BillMC
Vote Texcat
I think BillMC did a very good job pointing out some inconsistencies you've made. The Kerosene/Flammable thing, I don't quite get... but the rest of it is pretty damning.
And if you're Town, I think you knew you wouldn't be around to the very end of the game- at some point the "unproved Pro-Town Killing Role" does have to be verified.
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Post by scáthach on Apr 19, 2012 13:47:06 GMT -5
: Beginning today scum had 6 enemies, 5 townies + PFK. If there are 3 scum, it's game over: 3 townies v 3 scum. Is this really what you want to do? I don't get your maths here?
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Post by BillMc on Apr 19, 2012 13:50:15 GMT -5
Beginning today scum had 6 enemies, 5 townies + PFK. If there are 3 scum, it's game over: 3 townies v 3 scum. Is this really what you want to do? So you've now decided that there are no third parties? and that we had 7 scum If there are 3 scum, which most folk think is unlikely, it is lylo not game over, so don't be so melodramatic - you've already got the oscar for best pfk performance. But let's take your numbers D7: 5-1-3 You are pfk, and if peeker flips town N7: 4-0-3 Scum kill town then D8: 3-3 LYLO If there is a 3rd party D7: 5-1-1-2, you are pfk, and peek flips town N7: 4-0-1-2 D8: 3-0-1-2 LYLO with the 3rd party holding power
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Post by Hal Briston on Apr 19, 2012 14:34:33 GMT -5
Hal has had his personality change- where he went from the "ooh shiny" player to the Quieter more reserved player. And I can't tell if he's genuinely just more busy, or just trying to hide/lurk towards the end. Genuinely busy. Annoyingly so. And unfortunately, you also have one of my bad traits with Mafia (and why I went into self-imposed retirement) -- the less buttons to poke at and interesting powers for me to play with, the more likely it is I'll push my playtime to the back burner. However, I still have a role here, so first things first -- let's see if I can't get some changes on my display: Vote SBrOwn(no offence) Unvote SBrOwnMaybe that'll change things up... As for my real vote, is there a reason that we're not voting for Peeker? If he's going to be dead in a couple of hours anyway...? What the hell... Vote Peeker
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Post by texcat on Apr 19, 2012 14:49:06 GMT -5
As for my real vote, is there a reason that we're not voting for Peeker? If he's going to be dead in a couple of hours anyway...? What the hell... Vote PeekerGood point. I do wonder why BillMc is so determined to help the scum out by lynching me. But lynching the dead peeker is not a bad alternative. Unvote: BillMc Vote: peeker
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Post by BillMc on Apr 19, 2012 15:11:56 GMT -5
However, I still have a role here, so first things first -- let's see if I can't get some changes on my display: Vote SBrOwn(no offence) Unvote SBrOwnMaybe that'll change things up... As for my real vote, is there a reason that we're not voting for Peeker? If he's going to be dead in a couple of hours anyway...? What the hell... Vote PeekerI think we've pretty much established that the devices all have different trigger mechanisms Texcat has been staunchly saying it is the Scum's job to kill a PFK; both sides need the PFK dead. Scum does not need to kill the PFK. It is unlikely that Texcat's wincon is to be the last person - more likely to be in the last 3-5 - so of course she would prefer to make it to D8. We can either go into Day 8 at 3-1-2, and don't have to worry about the PFK any more Or if we let Texcat live, and she hits Town tonight, she hands the game to the scum. D7: 5-1-1-2, peeker only N7: 4-1-1-2, Scum kills town, Texcat kills town - and it will be a scum win D8: 2-1-1-2, Town has no choice now but to lynch texcat as pfk+scum kill wins it for Texcat N8: 2-0-1-2, Scum kills town and wins D7: 5-1-1-2, peeker only N7: 4-1-1-2, Scum kills town, Texcat throws a curveball and kills scum D8: 3-1-1-1, Town has no choice but to lynch Texcat as pfk+scum kill wins it for Texcat N8: 3-0-1-1, Scum kills town D9: 2-0-1-1, LYLO
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Post by scáthach on Apr 19, 2012 15:12:39 GMT -5
[ As for my real vote, is there a reason that we're not voting for Peeker? If he's going to be dead in a couple of hours anyway...? What the hell... Vote PeekerEh? Are you serious? You want us to effectively vote for no lynch?
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Post by Hal Briston on Apr 19, 2012 15:54:55 GMT -5
Eh? Are you serious? You want us to effectively vote for no lynch? How is this a no lynch? We'd be losing someone who very well may be scum. No lynch means "no one dies". This would mean "only one person dies, not two". A pretty important distinction.
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Post by scáthach on Apr 19, 2012 16:18:44 GMT -5
Eh? Are you serious? You want us to effectively vote for no lynch? How is this a no lynch? We'd be losing someone who very well may be scum. No lynch means "no one dies". This would mean "only one person dies, not two". A pretty important distinction. Two people dying is only bad if they're both town. Do you find texcat suspicious or would you prefer to continue avoiding the subject? Honestly, I found you scummy before but this beggars belief. There's honestly no one you find suspicious enough to vote for other than someone about to be modkilled?
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Post by SBrOwn on Apr 19, 2012 18:54:52 GMT -5
Using Pollux's Voting Chart from the night: [/s] Gadarene: Scatchatch (15)TexCat: BillMC (17), Sinjin (25), Mahaloth (34), Scatchatch (37), Sbrown (39) Peeker- Hal (42), TexCat (43) [/quote][/quote]
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