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Day 1
Mar 19, 2008 12:57:57 GMT -5
Post by ryjae on Mar 19, 2008 12:57:57 GMT -5
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Day 1
Mar 19, 2008 12:59:53 GMT -5
Post by zuma on Mar 19, 2008 12:59:53 GMT -5
All I know is that I want to win my first game, and am desperately looking out for the hidden scum in this game.. where that leads me I don't know.
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Koldanar
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Day 1
Mar 19, 2008 13:00:14 GMT -5
Post by Koldanar on Mar 19, 2008 13:00:14 GMT -5
I'm just floored by this Days participation; it's entirely unusual to have a 19+ page Day One, right? It's not just me having trouble keeping up...normally I don't want to post much during the work day, and I very much want to place a vote but...wow. So much to go over.
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Day 1
Mar 19, 2008 13:03:27 GMT -5
Post by Rysto on Mar 19, 2008 13:03:27 GMT -5
Let's turn this around, Rugger. Let's say that I'm scum. What the hell is my motivation for opening my trap like that? You seem to be conflating "didn't think things through as he was posting" with "is acting scummy". I'm trying to decide whether you've fallen into the same trap that the Town has done lately or whether you're scum. Given how my OMGUS votes faired me in YSI, I'm leaning towards the former.
I've explained why I didn't reveal everything: I didn't feel that Drain's Name was something I had the right to reveal. I especially didn't feel that it was something I had the right to reveal just to pull my own ass out of the fire.
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Day 1
Mar 19, 2008 13:04:16 GMT -5
Post by zuma on Mar 19, 2008 13:04:16 GMT -5
I will be willing to change my vote to catinasuit if it can get things going on and let me win one...
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Day 1
Mar 19, 2008 13:04:49 GMT -5
Post by Rysto on Mar 19, 2008 13:04:49 GMT -5
I'm just floored by this Days participation; it's entirely unusual to have a 19+ page Day One, right? It's not just me having trouble keeping up...normally I don't want to post much during the work day, and I very much want to place a vote but...wow. So much to go over. M2 was crazier than this. But then, M2 had 37 players, I think.
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Day 1
Mar 19, 2008 13:17:35 GMT -5
Post by tdpatriots12 on Mar 19, 2008 13:17:35 GMT -5
Wow, I was planning on taking a 24-hour break and looking at everything with fresh eyes, but after so much happened since my last post (I'll get to that now, zuma) I will definitely have to post something later tonight.
And in case it isn't clear, yes this is a promise of later analysis post.
P.S. - zuma I read your post, the one I quoted, without reading the half dozen or so posts befofe it, so it looked fishy to me taken completely out of its context, your role's win condition. I wasn't high, just really tired.
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Day 1
Mar 19, 2008 13:23:23 GMT -5
Post by ryjae on Mar 19, 2008 13:23:23 GMT -5
Diggitcamera you wanted pressure on the lurkers yet you're semi-lurking flimsy as heck I know. But I need to put a vote on someone and if it gets you to post a bit more it will help us out.
Vote Diggitcamera
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Day 1
Mar 19, 2008 13:24:22 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Mar 19, 2008 13:24:22 GMT -5
part 2 in the series:
My #1 suspect was Rysto. I am not making conclusions untill I finish with everyone on my top 5 suspects list. Rysto is also the most prolific so the rest of these should be less painful.
Rysto – Night zero: Fluffy fluff Day 1: Very helpful, “let’s keep everyone talking” post. Prod lurkers first, but don’t be afraid to lynch them False claiming shouldn’t be too hard for scum* Feels the color indicates 2 scum factions * Talks about lurkers again (I basically have the same attitude.) Maybe he read the color wrong re: multiple scum teams Pokes Ryjae Conspiracy showed that mass claims can be good and bad * Random votes Dark Smurf Asks question about random voting in response to my ARGG at his vote Again states that he neither approves of, or disapproves of mass claims Let’s not get too caught up in the mass claim idea. Much more pro name claiming, saying forcing scum to fake names couldn’t hurt the town. (inconsistency #1) Puts together a voting order for us. Clarifies Comes out in favor of the reveal officially. Dismisses CIAS’s opening vote. Pushes Drain Bead for seeming to know too much (then drops this line) Stands up for me and my claim, saying it is a crazy risk to take as scum Mason’s who don’t win with town are scum and would probably be called scum by the mods. (interesting) Mods proably won’t lie, but might mislead. Anti win condition reveal. Ditto and gives a reason why Ditto and gives me a reason to drop the subject* Talks about the types of scum groups he has seen in the past. Presses me and Koldonar about our win condition that gives me the feeling his doesn’t read like ours ** Backpedals like a motherfuck when Hawk posts his win condition. Redirects attention to DarkSmurf. ** Smudge against me and mole, subtle but it is there (and after he defended us) Brings up multiple scum factions from conspiracy Unvotes smurf for having the win condition match “exactly” Questions ryjae Mentions that his role PM has a wiki excerpt Posts that “your goal” was bolded in his pm (this may exonerate him, I am not sure yet) Joke about PM writing Question to Hal that I don’t understand at all. Drain is on a posting restriction, he knows because of outside info. Won’t tell what the info is. Says he won’t say what it is because of fear for scum Corrects hawk about a list Says he wasn’t’ going to claim for DB Uses the scum motivation thing to exonerate him from not talking about DB
I went into this with Rysto as my number 1 suspect. I thought we had another Gad from Pirates on our hands. I came out thinking he might just play like me (i.e. scummy as hell but with good intentions)
I am not sure.
*=somewhat scummy **=crazy scummy
They either locked it out, or they have changed something in the boards since I last did this, but I can no longer see what the post numbers are of these posts. But if you pull up all of Rysto’s posts in the game you can follow along line by line with my post summary.
See if you think what I think.
No vote yet.
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Day 1
Mar 19, 2008 13:41:58 GMT -5
Post by brewha on Mar 19, 2008 13:41:58 GMT -5
This bothered me as well. Particularly when he saw the first on and just said that it was interesting. When the second confirmed it, he jumped in with a 'yeah me too'.
I wonder if he has a legitimate reason for this.
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Day 1
Mar 19, 2008 13:42:49 GMT -5
Post by brewha on Mar 19, 2008 13:42:49 GMT -5
Yeah, I haven't figured out the quote tags on this board yet. stupid non-preview...
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Santo Rugger
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Day 1
Mar 19, 2008 13:46:39 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Mar 19, 2008 13:46:39 GMT -5
Let's turn this around, Rugger. Let's say that I'm scum. What the hell is my motivation for opening my trap like that? You seem to be conflating "didn't think things through as he was posting" with "is acting scummy". I'm trying to decide whether you've fallen into the same trap that the Town has done lately or whether you're scum. Given how my OMGUS votes faired me in YSI, I'm leaning towards the former. I've explained why I didn't reveal everything: I didn't feel that Drain's Name was something I had the right to reveal. I especially didn't feel that it was something I had the right to reveal just to pull my own ass out of the fire. Fair enough. Like I said, I just wanted some explanation on the table. Unvote Rysto
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Day 1
Mar 19, 2008 13:56:25 GMT -5
Post by CatInASuit on Mar 19, 2008 13:56:25 GMT -5
I agree that Cat's vote was pretty nonsensical, but the vote makes so little sense I have trouble taking it seriously. Let's suppose that Cat is scum. Am I really supposed to believe that he expected to be able drum up support for a bandwagon? Over HM confusing Cookies and Cat? I don't see scum sticking their neck out like that. I'm not sure that I like this vote from Cookies -- that's the kind of vote scum would make, if Cat is Town. Actually, this post from Rysto was the one that got my attention, after I voted for Hockey Monkey. Sorry NAF1138, you acted as I expected. The Main reason: It has the line about it being the kind of vote a scum would make if the person being voted for is town. Creating a link between two players and their alignments, that I find suspicious. If I turn out to be town, which I am, then Cookies is scum because she doesn't like my vote for Hockey Monkey? That makes no sense? Rysto - Care to explain?
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Day 1
Mar 19, 2008 14:02:44 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Mar 19, 2008 14:02:44 GMT -5
Hoopy you had one vote on you. That was not necessary. You had a few more days to defend yourself. Well, at least we know someone is claiming the name "Mr. Freeze". Can we please not name claim until we have, say, 4 votes? Hoopy I am really starting to wonder why you did that. Because as molefan so elegantly summarized (thank you, BTW) I had 2 votes, not 1. This tied me for first place. Additionally, there were 2 other people who all but FOS'ed me in separate posts. Chances are pretty good there were more. And at the time, no one had defended me after I gave the only defense (i.e. simple mistake) short of a role claim that I had. I even stated as much. I said that if you don't buy my reason, there's no more I can say in my defense. My explanation was what actually gave me the second vote and the second person jumping on the suspicion bandwagon, so if anything, it dug me further. Now, as I said, I'm working around the house for a lot this week, so I don't have a lot of time to spend here for ToDay. As it is, I feel kind of guilty with what little time I do spend here since my parents are in town helping me with the painting and stuff (they live about 6 hours away, so I don't get to see them more than a few times a year) and by hanging out here, I'm ignoring them. So I can't keep monitoring the boards 24/7 to see if the bandwagon on me has gotten so big that I should find an ideal time to claim. By arguing about me, town accomplishes nothing. So taking a chapter out of Pleonast's book from fluidruid's game (i.e. Pleo being jumped on for using "she" and everyone claiming that it was some sort of tell), I claimed early to get the town to actually look at real scum tells. (So you guys can say my claim was a "newbie" mistake, but I assure you, there was nothing newbie about it. You may validly state a case for bad strategy, but given my situation this week with my limited use of the board, I really feel I had no other choice.) Granted, as storyteller said, because I didn't list powers, my name claim is both essentially harmless and [almost] useless. It does do one thing, though. It means that if we have another person claiming Mr. Freeze, thing will get mighty interesting for one of us. Now to address CIS's point, I have no inconsistencies with name reveal. My earlier posts were about the whole "mass claim" thing that was being discussed. I never made any mention of whether individual claims are good or bad (at least not that I see, if I did, please point it out). The reason I agreed with the anti-mass group, was because I accepted the fact that the other masons and possibly more would easily be outed by their names. My character is a unique one. The only one I'm putting at risk through my reveal is myself. It's a chance I'm willing to take if it gets the town discussing more than just me.
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Day 1
Mar 19, 2008 14:10:06 GMT -5
Post by Rysto on Mar 19, 2008 14:10:06 GMT -5
False claiming shouldn’t be too hard for scum* I'm afraid I'm not sure why you feel that this is scummy. It was just an observation that I made based on the game setup, and honestly I don't think that it was all that controversial. If you don't like it because it was obvious, I guess I can see that it wasn't particularly useful, but I post a lot and not everything I say is going to be penetrating analysis. This gets at the heart of what's bugging you about me, if I've read your post right. Here's what happened. My initial reading of the colour indicated to me that there would be a second scum group composed of villains. My Role PM confirmed to me that there were two scum "factions": Do-Gooders and those playing for keeps(I put "factions" in quotes because my Role PM doesn't actually say that those playing for keeps are aligned together, although that's the assumption I was working under at the time.) When Dark Smurf posted and only talked about the Batman scum group, I began to wonder if maybe not everything got the same information in their Role PM. I didn't want to call attention to the fact that I had special knowledge, but I also felt that it was critical that the Town know about the second scum group. So I fell back on my initial reading of the colour to get that information out there. At this point, several people have chimed in that they don't think that there are multiple scum groups, so I backed off, thinking that be insistent on the issue would be tantamount to admitting to special knowledge. Again, you call this scummy but don't explain why it's scummy. And this is from the guy who was quite vocal in the SDMB game that people need to explain why things are scummy. This inconsistency really bugs me. I don't see this as an inconsistency as much as me warming to the Name claim idea as I thought about it more. I didn't play in or watch M3. I've never played in a game in which Masons where anything but pro-Town. And I'm not the only person to say this; I think that storyteller said the same thing 3 pages ago. My real worry here was that revealing my win condition would reveal that I had what I thought was my special knowledge. But I didn't want to come out and say anything like that, so instead I came up with another reason. Here's what I said, exactly. The wording is pretty critical: And I hope that it's becoming clearer what actually happened here. You and Koldonar start confirming that you have information similar to mine. I'm still wary about revealing that I have the same info, but I want as much as it as possible out there, so I press you to reveal more. I figured that you'd already revealed that you had "special knowledge" so it wouldn't be as bad for you. But I'm trying to get across that I have the same information, so I deliberately slip the phrase "playing for keeps" in there. Apparently, that flew right over everyone's heads. Hawk didn't post his win condition, just that the second scum group is called "Playing For Keeps". And now I'm stuck. Not 10 posts ago I used the exact same phrase. Any scum who's paying attention is going to catch that. So I come clean, admit that I know it all, and reveal that Batman's group is called the Do-Gooders. I'd been suspicious of Dark Smurf for some time because he used that phrase quite out of nowhere, but I couldn't call him on it because I didn't want to admit to the knowledge. Once I was forced to do so I could then bring up my suspicions. And this is the point where it begins to dawn on me that maybe I wasn't privy to special knowledge after all. So that's the whole story. I thought that I had secret information and tried to conceal the fact. Hawkeyeop's post outed that I had the information so I had to come out at that point.
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Day 1
Mar 19, 2008 14:15:36 GMT -5
Post by Rysto on Mar 19, 2008 14:15:36 GMT -5
I agree that Cat's vote was pretty nonsensical, but the vote makes so little sense I have trouble taking it seriously. Let's suppose that Cat is scum. Am I really supposed to believe that he expected to be able drum up support for a bandwagon? Over HM confusing Cookies and Cat? I don't see scum sticking their neck out like that. I'm not sure that I like this vote from Cookies -- that's the kind of vote scum would make, if Cat is Town. Actually, this post from Rysto was the one that got my attention, after I voted for Hockey Monkey. Sorry NAF1138, you acted as I expected. The Main reason: It has the line about it being the kind of vote a scum would make if the person being voted for is town. Creating a link between two players and their alignments, that I find suspicious. If I turn out to be town, which I am, then Cookies is scum because she doesn't like my vote for Hockey Monkey? That makes no sense? Rysto - Care to explain? You misunderstood(ok, I wasn't clear enough). If you are Town, then I can see a pro-scum motivation for voting for you. Obviously, if you are scum there's no pro-scum motivation for voting for you this early in the game. I wasn't trying to say that if you're town, Cookies must be scum. Cookies basically said that your vote for HM was scummy. I responded that her vote for you seemed much scummier to me.
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Day 1
Mar 19, 2008 14:16:24 GMT -5
Post by Koldanar on Mar 19, 2008 14:16:24 GMT -5
Sorry for all the fluff during the day, but it's KoldAnar. Carry on
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Day 1
Mar 19, 2008 14:18:55 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Mar 19, 2008 14:18:55 GMT -5
ok, I am not going to answer you point by point mostly because I really can't if I want to get anything else done. But quickly, if you notice what I said at the bottom of that post, you have mostly worked your way off my scum list.
The fist two stars were just things I was marking for myself to take note of, that post took me the better part of 3 hours to compose while I was working on other things and (at first) trying to follow the thread in a seperate window. I forgot I had left them in. But I am kind of glad I made that mistake as I do think they are good things to note about you.
This one I will answer. IF I had voted for you, I would have explained. Since I reached the conclusion that I was not going to drop a vote on you yet I didn't really want to go back and explicate why you were scummy in those instances, but overall not scummy enough for a vote. Again, 3 hours of work, 4 more people to go, not enough time.
This wasn't an attack. This was me going over all your posts, doing my best to boil them down to their essence and taking some notes and showing my work.
That's it.
Like the first line says, post 2 in a series.
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Day 1
Mar 19, 2008 14:19:53 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Mar 19, 2008 14:19:53 GMT -5
My last post is directed at Rysto.
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Day 1
Mar 19, 2008 14:39:22 GMT -5
Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Mar 19, 2008 14:39:22 GMT -5
Between mid-day meetings votecount:
CatInASuit 2 (Cookies) Molefan 1(kassia) Hoopy Frood 2(hockey monkey,sinjin) kassia 1 (zuma) ryjae 1 (hawkmanop) diggitcamera 1 (ryjae)
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Day 1
Mar 19, 2008 14:42:00 GMT -5
Post by Rysto on Mar 19, 2008 14:42:00 GMT -5
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Hockey Monkey!
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Day 1
Mar 19, 2008 14:45:40 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Mar 19, 2008 14:45:40 GMT -5
unvote drainbead Posting restriction never occured to me. I've never had one or played in a post restriction game. I thought she lied about copying and pasting her win condition.
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Hockey Monkey!
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Mar 19, 2008 14:47:29 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Mar 19, 2008 14:47:29 GMT -5
Dio, I unvoted hoopy ages ago, then voted DB, then just unvoted.
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Day 1
Mar 19, 2008 14:50:37 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Mar 19, 2008 14:50:37 GMT -5
Between mid-day meetings votecount: CatInASuit 2 (Cookies) Molefan 1(kassia) Hoopy Frood 2(hockey monkey,sinjin) kassia 1 (zuma) ryjae 1 (hawkmanop) diggitcamera 1 (ryjae) [glow=green,2,300]VOTE DIO[/glow]
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Day 1
Mar 19, 2008 15:02:32 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Mar 19, 2008 15:02:32 GMT -5
I'm just floored by this Days participation; it's entirely unusual to have a 19+ page Day One, right? Oh, my Naive little KoldAnar! Firefly Mafia broke the Day 1 Boards thanks to a certain unnamed player who is currently a Mod. You all are doing me oh so proud! Happy Postings to all, and keep up the Good Work! ;DThey either locked it out, or they have changed something in the boards since I last did this, but I can no longer see what the post numbers are of these posts. But if you pull up all of Rysto’s posts in the game you can follow along line by line with my post summary.
That's Odd, as I certainly can see the Post #'s of each of the players. Is anyone else experiencing this problem? If so, we may be reaching critical mass of the Day 1 thread, and I may have to start another one..... Please let me know if others can or cannot see the post #'s.
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Day 1
Mar 19, 2008 15:03:42 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Mar 19, 2008 15:03:42 GMT -5
Actually, Fuckit. I'm gonna make a new Day 1 Thread, just to be Safe. As i remember the last ones exploding around pg. 20.... So yeah. Continue this Day in the soon to be posted Day 1 Part Two Thread!
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