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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Mar 28, 2008 13:01:00 GMT -5
I have a wild idea that could confirm either Hoopy or atarus (whichever survives lynching). Whichever it is should role-block me tonight. If I am successfully blocked, I won't get a reading. If I am not successfully blocked, I will get a reading and will know that they aren't a roleblocker and therefore lying. Or they will die. (That would be the chance element thing). It's 50/50 - a coin flip. One or the other will happen. That's pretty much tantamount to a role claim from me, but if it's necessary, I'll come out with the whole thing. If neither one of them are lynched, then it won't work. There can only be one in play for us to be sure. Cat shouldn't be lynched today - he's vanilla town now since his claim. I'd rather us lynch Atarus and have Hoopy try to block me. The problem is, it will only confirm that the person is a role-blocker. It won't confirm whether or not the person is town. NAF even said that role-blocker's are usually given to scum (and since scum have the info to effectively use the power, it's great for them). So if we do that, we waste your power which will probably be better served somewhere else. I'm claiming that I'm a role-blocker. I'm willing to believe that Atarus is as well. The alignment is the problem. Whichever of us jams out to Metallica at the end of this day, if that person is shown to be town role-blocker, it really doesn't matter for the other person at that point. There is no way to confirm town.
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Mar 28, 2008 13:01:49 GMT -5
Zuma: please either PM me on the Dope, set up an account here and PM me, or send me an email (email's in the profile)
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Post by storyteller0910 on Mar 28, 2008 13:02:58 GMT -5
I have a wild idea that could confirm either Hoopy or atarus (whichever survives lynching). Whichever it is should role-block me tonight. If I am successfully blocked, I won't get a reading. If I am not successfully blocked, I will get a reading and will know that they aren't a roleblocker and therefore lying. Or they will die. (That would be the chance element thing). It's 50/50 - a coin flip. One or the other will happen. That's pretty much tantamount to a role claim from me, but if it's necessary, I'll come out with the whole thing. If neither one of them are lynched, then it won't work. There can only be one in play for us to be sure. Cat shouldn't be lynched today - he's vanilla town now since his claim. I'd rather us lynch Atarus and have Hoopy try to block me. Hockey, at this point, I really, really think a full role claim would be advisable. If you're telling the truth, you have already given away the only information that enemies of the Town need - you are an investigator. Coordinating the rest of our activities, and figuring out how to get from here to 9:00PM EST, will benefit from a full role claim.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Mar 28, 2008 13:06:59 GMT -5
A question for you, and for everyone currently voting for Cat: Do you believe that there is a pro-Town Vig in this game? With the information we have now, we really can't be sure. But I think we do, and I think it's not Cat.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Mar 28, 2008 13:10:46 GMT -5
A question for you, and for everyone currently voting for Cat: Do you believe that there is a pro-Town Vig in this game? With the information we have now, we really can't be sure. But I think we do, and I think it's not Cat. Then is our real pro-Town Vig brain damaged? Because if we have a pro-Town Vig, and it's not Cat, then I think this problem will be short-lived.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Mar 28, 2008 13:12:49 GMT -5
Hockey, at this point, I really, really think a full role claim would be advisable. If you're telling the truth, you have already given away the only information that enemies of the Town need - you are an investigator. Coordinating the rest of our activities, and figuring out how to get from here to 9:00PM EST, will benefit from a full role claim. Along that line of thinking. Since this is the current way things are heading, and I think both Atarus and I are at this point resigned to our fates, if Atarus is fried, and if he turns out to be town, and if the serial killer doesn't get me today, and under the assumption I am pro-town, do I use my one shot tonight or not? Becuase I can pretty much guarantee that I won't be able to use it tomorrow in that situation regardless. I'm pretty much at a loss for what to do at this point.
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Post by Rysto on Mar 28, 2008 13:13:43 GMT -5
I'm not sure if a full claim is necessary -- clearly HM is a Cop who gets the player's Name back(If I'm wrong, go ahead an correct me Hockey). But if HM has any extra powers like Hoopy claims, then I think she should keep quiet about that.
Anyway, if I am right about your role, Hockey, my suggestion would be to use it to investigate one of the name claims that we already have. Kat's claim seems to indicate that the scum have false Names to hide behind. You can help us suss those false claims out. Now, if atarus didn't look likely to die than I'd suggest him. IIRC, the other name claims are Hoopy's, storyteller's and zuma's. IMO, zuma's claim is the most suspect in that he claimed a name that's rather, I don't know, tangential to the Batman universe. storyteller has basically been confirmed town by Koldanar, so I wouldn't suggest him.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Mar 28, 2008 13:13:56 GMT -5
NETA: And by tommorrow I'm referring to night 3.
(Damn, it's hard to believe it's still only Day 2.)
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Post by Hawkmod on Mar 28, 2008 13:16:25 GMT -5
Well, I am going to Vote: CatInASuit. You claimed in this post, and Rugger called you out here. I too have restrictions on my role, and like Santo, they are listed at "Roles/Abilities", above flavor text. A question for you, and for everyone currently voting for Cat: Do you believe that there is a pro-Town Vig in this game? Yes, I think there is likely a pro-town vig. I explained why I haven't changed my vote yet. If I can decide which role blocker I think is lying, I'll switch.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Mar 28, 2008 13:19:09 GMT -5
I'm not sure if a full claim is necessary -- clearly HM is a Cop who gets the player's Name back(If I'm wrong, go ahead an correct me Hockey). But if HM has any extra powers like Hoopy claims, then I think she should keep quiet about that. Anyway, if I am right about your role, Hockey, my suggestion would be to use it to investigate one of the name claims that we already have. Kat's claim seems to indicate that the scum have false Names to hide behind. You can help us suss those false claims out. Now, if atarus didn't look likely to die than I'd suggest him. IIRC, the other name claims are Hoopy's, storyteller's and zuma's. IMO, zuma's claim is the most suspect in that he claimed a name that's rather, I don't know, tangential to the Batman universe. storyteller has basically been confirmed town by Koldanar, so I wouldn't suggest him. And along that line of thinking, I wouldn't suggest she investigate whichever blocker (if either) is still alive at the end of the day. So she can confirm the name. Doesn't help much with the blocker's. Heck, at this point, even a confirmed alignment probably won't help us much, since the scum will take us out fairly early. (The only persona who we aren't a threat to is the SK, unless he's got a night power as well.)
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Post by Pollux Oil on Mar 28, 2008 13:20:36 GMT -5
Okay children, gather round! Let's hypothesize here for a minute!
Let's say, in fact, that both me and Hoopy are pro-town roleblockers. Now, why exactly would that happen?
Well, according to NAF it's because the town has some pretty awesome super-roles, because roleblockers are generally regarded as detrimental to town.
But as far as I can see in terms of non-roleblocker roles we've got a Vig that can't say he's a Vig, a detective that has a 50% shot at killing the person they're investigating, and somebody that has the ability to survive a Nightkill and know who attacked them. We also have a dead Bodyguard but we don't know what exactly his role entailed. Now are these really that superpowered, or am I just missing something? You can argue sinjin's ability is relatively superpowered, but she has just as good a chance as turning up our 50% killer Sherlock than she does a scum killer.
Let's swing it the other way for a moment. What if the scum have some pretty sweet deals? (I mean, Batman's utility belt is quite handy I've heard.) We know that somebody stabbed zuma in the neck and he's going to lose his abilities since he didn't follow a post restriction. I'd say that's not a pro-town mechanism, that probably belongs to a scum. NAF got BatSharkRepelled if he didn't cough enough and we don't know what's going to happen to him because of it. I'd say that wouldn't be pro-town either...you know because it has BAT in it. So we have at least two night actions that were detrimental to town, in ADDITION to the probability of a scum kill that was dodged somehow.
Then we have somebody that's causing mayhem during the Day who, with the information we know at this moment, cannot be blocked or stopped in any way other than them dying. And we know there's one Serial Killer out there (if Cat is to be trusted with his PM)....we have no idea if it's our maniacal Daykiller or somebody who got blocked in the Night.
So at this point...with the knowledge we have right now, is it REALLY too hard to imagine the idea of two pro-town roleblockers? With what we know, there were 4 anti-town actions between yesterDay and yesterNight. I don't think it's that much of a stretch, and if I end up lynched I really suggest not immediately lynching Hoopy because I don't think he's going to be scum just based on the fact that he claimed roleblocker.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Mar 28, 2008 13:20:42 GMT -5
I'm not sure if a full claim is necessary -- clearly HM is a Cop who gets the player's Name back(If I'm wrong, go ahead an correct me Hockey). But if HM has any extra powers like Hoopy claims, then I think she should keep quiet about that. A polite dissent: I take issue with your first sentence: we do not know that HM is a Cop. At least, I don't know that. I know she has claimed to be a form of beat Cop. I know that she refused to actually give us the name she supposedly got from CiaS until someone else did. I know that she now appears to be saying that if she investigates someone, there's a chance that target will yield his/her name and a chance that target will die. I know that her claim could very easily be true, but could very easily be a nice, unfalsifiable cover story for scum, if it's not (the person she was supposed to investigate dies? Oops, that's my silly power! The person lives? Oops, my silly power! - but his true name is BlahBlahBlah. Robin? No, he's not Robin. Honest! I know this is pedantic, and probably not worth pursuing at length toDay, but is there a reason that you feel completely confident that HM IS a Cop, as you state? ---- For my own part, I consider her unconfirmed. I think, given how much she has already revealed, that her name, rank, and serial number would be helpful guides to determining how trustworthy she ought to be. ---- Oh, and unvote Hal Briston, because obviously that vote is going nowhere toDay. I still don't understand why everyone is talking about "Hal's list" as if it's been confirmed, but I'll leave that for now.
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Post by Rysto on Mar 28, 2008 13:25:01 GMT -5
Merely poor phrasing on my part. I should have said, "Clearly, HM claims to be some kind of Cop." The rest of that post was obviously written with that assumed, as there's no point in giving advice to scum.
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Mar 28, 2008 13:43:29 GMT -5
Nigh-On About 6 Hours Left PostCount
CatinaSuit 8 (ryjae,hawkeyeop,sinjin,tdpatriots12,drainbead,zuma,Santo Rugger,Darth Sensitive) Atarus 8 (TheDarkSmurf,Rysto,NAF1138,Hoopy Frood,Cookies,Hal Briston,CatinaSuit,HockeyMonkey) ryjae 2 (dotchanByIrony,atarus) tdpatriots12 1 (molefan1981)
Not voting: MHaye,Brewha,storyteller0910
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Mar 28, 2008 13:44:43 GMT -5
So at this point...with the knowledge we have right now, is it REALLY too hard to imagine the idea of two pro-town roleblockers? With what we know, there were 4 anti-town actions between yesterDay and yesterNight. I don't think it's that much of a stretch, and if I end up lynched I really suggest not immediately lynching Hoopy because I don't think he's going to be scum just based on the fact that he claimed roleblocker. Thanks for the vote of confidence, atarus but really, if you're town and you get lynched, there is no reason for town to keep me alive. However, I do think there might be one more fringe benefit my lynching can still have for the town tomorrow assuming I survive the night. It has nothing to do with my one-shot, either.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Mar 28, 2008 14:05:46 GMT -5
If you will note, I MUST use my power, and I don't have a choice as to what will happen. The coin has all the power. I only learn a player's role name, not their alignment. story, I didn't reveal Cat's name, because I didn't know what mechanism it might trigger if I did. Overly paranoid - probably. I think I left enough clues that you know I knew what his name was. I have to be very careful who I target for investigation, for obvious reasons. I thought it would be a good idea to investigate one of the two claimed roleblockers to at least determine if they are lying.
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Post by Death By Irony on Mar 28, 2008 14:18:02 GMT -5
Wait, wait, wait, hocky... YOU'RE a Cop/Vig, and it doesn't occur to you at all that CIAS could be lying about his alignment? FoS Hockeymonkey
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Mar 28, 2008 14:19:02 GMT -5
Duh, DBI - I've already said numerous times that I don't know what CIAS's alignment is, but I believe it to be town.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Mar 28, 2008 14:30:03 GMT -5
Does anyone here other than the masons have a power that can't potentially screw over the town?
Don't answer that. It's rhetorical.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Mar 28, 2008 14:35:31 GMT -5
I'm hoping that we have a straight-up Detective. I think CIAS was the straight-up Vig. I'm a hybrid.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Mar 28, 2008 14:52:09 GMT -5
Dum dee dum.
*starts dancing the Electric Slide*
Maybe if I make enough bad puns to electric things they'll change their mind...
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Post by Hawkmod on Mar 28, 2008 14:52:31 GMT -5
I'm hoping that we have a straight-up Detective. I think CIAS was the straight-up Vig. I'm a hybrid. The part of your role that strikes me as odd is that you have a split personality, but only one winning condition. Then again, I'm not sure how having multiple winning conditions would work.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Mar 28, 2008 14:55:39 GMT -5
Wow. Huh. So here's a new summary.
PEOPLE WHO HAVE CLAIMED NOTHING AT ALL:
Hawkeyeop Darth Sensitive tdpatriots12 brewha mhaye The Dark Smurf Death by Irony Rysto ryjae
PEOPLE WHO HAVE CLAIMED A POWER OR POSSESSION OF INFORMATION, BUT NOT A NAME:
Santo Rugger - Claims to know that Batman and Robin are partners, both Do-Gooders, and that Batman handles all Do-Gooder kills. I am suspicious of this, actually, if only because the latter half of the statement seems to contradict the color surrounding the attack on NAF last Night. We have bigger fish to fry, but we're going to need to look closely at Rugger sooner or later. NAF. Cookies, molefan1 - All have claimed Mason. NAF has suggested that they are not ordinary Masons. Obviously, not good lynch targets. Hal Briston - Has the magic list. Incidentally, as each new game mechanic is revealed and makes actual sense, my suspicion of this list grows. I understand that my feelings on this make me part of a tiny minority, but I want them on the record every chance I get, because I really don't know if I'll survive the end of the Day, let alone the Night.
PEOPLE WHO HAVE CLAIMED (OR HAD REVEALED) A NAME, BUT NOT A POWER
drainbead - Is the Ventriloquist, or someone pretending to be. Meta-game reasoning suggests she's more likely to be Town than not, but meta-game reasoning is limited in reliability. storyteller0910 - Is Poison Ivy. Has a power. Sees no reason to describe it. zuma - Claimed Joe Chill, then went insane. If Hockey Monkey is taking requests, I'd actually recommend zuma as a potential target toNight.
PEOPLE WHO HAVE CLAIMED BOTH A ROLE NAME AND POWER atarus - Clayface, Pro-Town Role Blocker Hoopy Frood - Dr. Freeze, Pro-Town Role Blocker with a twist CatinaSuit - Hush, Pro-Town Vigilante Hockey Monkey - Two-Face, Pro-Town Detective/Vig combo sinjin - Killer Croc - Pro-Town Strongman
Observations to follow.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Mar 28, 2008 14:57:49 GMT -5
I'm hoping that we have a straight-up Detective. I think CIAS was the straight-up Vig. I'm a hybrid. At least they didn't make you a Doc/Vig hybrid who had to use their powers every night. Imagine how bastardish that would be. (And I know some Bat-Geek on these boards is going to wiki-link to a villain who actually does fit that profile.)
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Post by Pollux Oil on Mar 28, 2008 15:07:03 GMT -5
Storyteller's list made my eyes open about something.
If everybody that's role claimed, name claimed, information claimed....if they're all town like they say they are. Then there's only a group of 9 people left over and all the scum and playing for keeps people are in that group.
Around 4-5 scum left (this is just my own hypothesis, again)...1 serial killer....I assume at least one other person playing for keeps that isn't necessarily a Serial Killer (again another hypothesis, but since my role PM says "and any other threats maliciously Playing For Keeps" I assume there's more than one Playing for Keeps person out there)....and they all happen to be the ones that haven't needed to role claim or name claim or put information out there for people?
I dunno, seems way too convenient and easy.
Also, storyteller, I don't know if this counts in your analysis but I seem to remember somewhere in Day One ryjae giving vague hints to his power being beneficial to the town, or something like that.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Mar 28, 2008 15:09:45 GMT -5
BTW, I'll be leaving work soon and out running errands for a few hours, so I don't know what time I'll be back. And seeing as how I'm CDT, I probably won't be back until near the end of the Day.
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Post by tdpatriots12 on Mar 28, 2008 15:10:18 GMT -5
PEOPLE WHO HAVE CLAIMED NOTHING AT ALL: ryjaeNot quite, he made a kind of claim that had me unvoting him late on Day One. With all the "trust me's" flying around now I'm less inclined to believe him, but he did make a claim of sorts and I figured you'd like to have an accurate list.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Mar 28, 2008 15:10:41 GMT -5
NETA: CDT = Central Daylight Time. Which means my 8:00 is end of the day.
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Mar 28, 2008 15:11:53 GMT -5
We've tried to make this clear, but please don't assume anything based on the grammar, composition, punctuation or gender/number of nouns in your Role PMs. It's not going to get you anywhere.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Mar 28, 2008 15:19:23 GMT -5
PEOPLE WHO HAVE CLAIMED NOTHING AT ALL: ryjaeNot quite, he made a kind of claim that had me unvoting him late on Day One. With all the "trust me's" flying around now I'm less inclined to believe him, but he did make a claim of sorts and I figured you'd like to have an accurate list. Well, OK. But I'm not sure "I have a power and it's pro-Town" is really a claim that does anything to distinguish ryjae. I think everyone in the game would say the same if asked, right?
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